MMR doctor struck off register.

Sarah - posted on 05/24/2010 ( 19 moms have responded )

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/870061...

The doctor who first suggested a link between MMR vaccinations and autism has been struck off the medical register.
The General Medical Council found Dr Andrew Wakefield guilty of serious professional misconduct over the way he carried out his controversial research.
It follows a GMC ruling earlier this year that he had acted unethically.
Dr Andrew Wakefield's 1998 Lancet study caused vaccination rates to plummet, resulting in a rise in measles - but the findings were later discredited.

Do you all think this will finally put to rest to debate over MMR? Or do you think that the damage has been done and some people will never be able to put their trust in the MMR jab?

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Sara - posted on 05/25/2010

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No one has said that if a child is showing signs of autism that vaccines won't make it worse, I don't think that has been disproven. But I doubt that a normal functioning child who has no symptoms of autism would suddenly turn autistic after receiving a vaccine. I have a friend who is a pediatrician and she told me that almost 100% of the time, children who are later diagnosed as autistic have shown symptoms early on that parents just didn't, for one reason or another, catch on to. It just so happens that the age when autism is first identified is the same age that children receive the MMR. If children were just turning autistic out of the blue after getting the vaccine, don't you think they would have found some kind of correlation?



And it is your right as a parent to chose when and if your child receives vaccines, no one is trying to dispute that. But I think that people need to base those choices off of facts with an understanding of how it affects the community around them. Vaccines toe that line between a personal choice and a choice that does have an affect on people outside of your family. It a decision that no one takes lightly, for sure.

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Heather - posted on 05/31/2010

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I am afraid that no matter what proof they have...some parents will never accept it. Especially those with autistic children (Jenny McCarthy for example) who have believed this lie for years.

Amanda - posted on 05/31/2010

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I am watching Datelines show from this weekend. This man (Dr Andrew) is working in USA, at Thoughful House, hes new claim that bowel disease are linked that is vaccine induced, even though Mayo Clinic has disproven this condition, and even says it doesnt even exsist. He does not do medical care just the research, he works along side Dr Krigsman, who does all the medical care because he is licenced in USA.

Suzette - posted on 05/31/2010

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I completely agree with Jodi. I believe that people will continue to put stock into this man and his falsified study. It's sad that people put so much into studies when we never know what the doctors (or the people running the studies) motives are. We don't know what their beliefs are or if those beliefs are muddying up the results of the studies.

Amanda - posted on 05/31/2010

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Dr Andrew also had a patent written up for new vacciantions, that were seperate, he was paid for his research, and also told what children he would be researching on (child connected to a law suit). There is zero grounds for a debate any longer, as its proven his research was purely to make money.

Jessica - posted on 05/25/2010

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No i don't believe the issue has been resolved. my mom is an WIC/EA (nursing ea, i suppose) and she has told me that her about ALOT of other EAs in the Durham catholic district school board and the Peterborough district catholic school board, who work day in and day out with the kids, that they've seen totally normal kids (a couple women even have had their own become autistic), receiving the MMR. My daughter has not and will not receive it until she goes to school when she's 5, as we are directly related to a high functioning autistic (my brother). My pediatrician and nurse practitioner knows about this and both AGREE with me.



I also would like to add for all you moms out there who may be thinking im a crazy woman, that my daughter has recevied ALL other vaccinations on time. Last week she just got her chickenpox, and broke out in a chicken pox sores all over her body and is miserable. i do think SOME vaccines are necessary obviously (like DPTP), but i also believe that the companies that make these vaccines are out to make a buck (or million). and i reserve my right (living in ontario) to choose which vaccinations my daughter receives when and if I feel comfortable with it.

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My friends three children havent had the mmr because of this man. Her youngest is only 18 months and she refused it even though hes been discredited. In regards to people not being old enough to have seen the damage these disease can do i have i had measles when i was 8 before they started vaccinating. Most people my age have had measles with no lasting effects which is probably why they dont think its a big deal to vaccinate against it.

Caitlin - posted on 05/24/2010

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I think it's sad that people will still cling to that belief, but I think they will and maybe some parents will be convinced to vaccinate, but not all parents. It's really sad, my daughter had her last vaccines on friday, and she's been miserable since, but I think it's worth it.



I never underestimate the stupidity of people though. I still know people who think if you feed a kid the food they are allergic to, they will get used to it.. *sigh*

Charlie - posted on 05/24/2010

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I agree that people will cling to the belief that MMR vaccine is linked to autism whether its out of fear or just to something to "blame " .

There are people who will disagree even when the evidence is right in front of their faces .

Becky - posted on 05/24/2010

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I agree, the damage has already been done. I think the only thing that will put the debate to rest is when they find out what really does cause autism. Personally, I think it's genetic, and I believe they've found some evidence that that is the case.
I have a friend whose oldest child has autism. While I really feel for her, one of the things she has said is, "I'd take measles over autism anyday." Well, yes, an ordinary case of measles. But what if your child is one of those few children who dies or ends up seriously disabled as the result of measles? Would you really rather have that? To me, it's just not a risk worth taking.

Sara - posted on 05/24/2010

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It won't put an end to the debate, people will and have continued to believe there is a link even though all evidence points to No.

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I would HOPE it would finally put the debate to rest but I'm also realistic.....people will always find a way to ignore or challenge the evidence! People will ultimately believe what they want to believe....it happens EVERY day!

Jocelyn - posted on 05/24/2010

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The damage has been done; the idea has already been put into these parents heads that it causes autism, and no amount of research is going to convince them otherwise.

Sarah - posted on 05/24/2010

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I'm worried the damage has been done too.
Despite the fact the study has been discredited, and now the doctor being struck off, i still see people bringing it up as a valid reason for not vaccinating.

I think it is now so embedded into some peoples heads, that they will continue to believe it no matter what evidence is shown to the contrary.

Christa - posted on 05/24/2010

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I agree completely with Jodi. It's like someone falsely accused, even after proven innocent it is close to impossible to fully clear one's name. People don't take the time to get educated, so they just keep repeating the sound bite they heard one time and thus the cycle of misinformation continues.

Jodi - posted on 05/24/2010

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Unfortunately, I think the damage is done. The seed has been planted, and there are many out there who are absolutely convinced, even with this study having been discredited, that it causes autism because of certain correlations (and we all know correlations mean shit unless a properly controlled study is conducted).



I am pleased to see that he has been suitably punished for his actions, it is never acceptable to falsify data. It ultimately dilutes the scientific integrity of not only the study he did (obviously) but any other studies that may be conducted on the issue of vaccination.



However, I really do think it will take years for this to blow over. It is a tragedy that one SINGLE study (and a falsified one at that) has had this effect on ALL vaccination rates (not just MMR). Seriously, people are trusting NO vaccinations now as a result of this debacle. There has been a rise in EVERY childhood disease - it is like no-one trust the vaccines at all.



I think, too, a lot of those who are choosing not to vaccinate have never seen the devastating effects of any of these diseases because they are not old enough to have done so..... but I digress :-P

ME - posted on 05/24/2010

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WOW!!! I think that's a wonderful victory for medial science, and for children everywhere, perhaps ALL parents will now be convinced to do what's best for their children (and for our societies), and have them vaccinated!

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