Native Land Claims

Jenn - posted on 12/18/2010 ( 15 moms have responded )

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What are your thoughts on Native land claims? Are they right and they should get their land back? Were they given a fair deal in the past and should let it go? Do you feel like they are going about it in a fair manner? Do you think the government response has been appropriate? This is just one of many many videos out there in regards to the Caledonia land claim - it started a few years back and has yet to be resolved. Tensions still remain high in the area. Have you ever heard of the issues in Ipperwash? These are just 2 examples of the plethora of land claims out there that continue to basically just be ignored by the government. I'll come back to this later to post some thoughts.

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I don't understand why people actually believe we can own land. No one owns land EVERYONE shares it. We buy land, buy water, buy food...all natural resources put here for all of us to share, not barter with...next thing you know we will be buying air and people will need to pay a tax every time they sh*t...

Jenny - posted on 12/18/2010

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Nobody has claim to the land. It is for ALL of us to share. I don't support borders period.

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Jenn - posted on 12/19/2010

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I do agree Jenny, and that is part of the continuing problems many of them face is growing up feeling like they are owed something or a sense of entitlement, so instead of helping themselves, they continue to point the blame elsewhere. However, if someone came and took your house and land from you, wouldn't you want it back? Them wanting their land back is a separate issue from the residential schools - yes I know I brought it up - but it was to make a point of how the government has treated them as people in general.
Here is a link that gives a detailed timeline of events for the Caledonia issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_River...

Jenny - posted on 12/19/2010

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Well I consider the Residential Schools a form of genocide. We are still unearthing the mass graves. It is a huge black mark on Canada's history. I don't really know how we can make up for it though. No amountof money or land in the world will bring these people and their histroy and culture back. It will never be the same. So I think the best course is to foster a culture of equality and not segragation. I don't support reserves or special status for any citizens. We are all humans first, Canadians second.

Jenn - posted on 12/19/2010

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@Desiree - I see what you're saying - that the things you see in the video are things that are going on - that would make for a very miserable life for those affected. In Canada though it isn't about greed or them wanting the land now that it's useful - they have wanted it all along and the Government has oppressed them and pushed them aside. It was only very recently that the Canadian Government even acknowledged the whole Residential Schools thing and apologized and gave some financial compensation to those who suffered - not that that will "fix" some of these people or undo the damage that was done. It will take several generations before any real change comes. Now if only they could find a way to settle all of the land claims on an individual basis. Oh - and if you guys have never heard of Ipperwash - here's a link to explain what happened. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipperwash_C... They have now been given back full title of their land which was taken from them during WWII - it only took 67years!!
There was also a movie made about it called One Dead Indian.

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The whole thing gets very frustrating for me, I don't know how all this works in Canada but as far as the US goes I am too passionate about it.

Now that I have had time to look into this particular situation I think they have a valid claim but lost a lot of respect and support because of how they went about it.

Desiree - posted on 12/19/2010

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@ Jenn I understand what you are saying, I am just giving you a perspective from a side of the world where that is happening everyday.



@ Jess then you understand exactly what is going on in Africa, when they saw how profitable the farms became thats when they decided to take it away with no compensation now those who sit on the land are unable to farm because they don't have a clue of how the job is done. Now Whole countries are starving because there is no food to feed any one. Sorry but in my opinion very little good comes out of greed.

Jenn - posted on 12/19/2010

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@Desiree - this has already been going on for years and I'm pretty sure they're not going to claim anything other than the specific parcels of land that are theirs - here being the 6 mile tract by the Grand River.

@Liz - what do you mean your hubby advised it?

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Laura-
I think they have a legitimate land claim...they did not get a fair shake in the original deal because the natives could not comprehend the audacity of thinking you could own land.

Really?
I know some natives and their history tells how they fought each other for land so who ever won obviously claimed ownership of the land. But I have to try to stay out of this one because my hubby advised it and he's probably right.

Desiree - posted on 12/18/2010

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Oh hell you guys enjoy, I live in Africa we have been having the same thing for years already, The only thing I say is be very careful because they will even claim land that was never theirs in the first place and then you will end up with Zimbabwe....This becomes very scarry and very hair raising with time..
I depends on how you see it and where you are, The people who suffer the most are the Farmers and 90 percent of these people don't seem to understand that the minute you go for the farmers you threaten the entire country...If you don't belive me just look at what happened in China in the 50's and look to Zimbabwe for what will happen.

Jenn - posted on 12/18/2010

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@Julianne - the land belonged to the Natives and they made a deal with the government which the government reneged on. The Government was supposed to use the land and pay rent or a percentage of the money made from the land (I can't remember the specifics of how it was to work) but didn't pay like they were supposed to. The Canadian government also forcefully took children out of their homes and put them into residential schools where they were mentally, physically, and sexually abused. They were forced to stop using their native language, forced to follow Christianity, separated from their siblings, and treated like garbage. The last residential school closed in 1996 - so this is not something that happened eons ago. The land claim in Caledonia (I use that one as an example because it is closest to where I live), is still unresolved. Now, having said all of this, there are a lot of things that I don't agree with. I don't agree with the way things were handled on either side. The Natives blocked the roads for a long time, set tires on fire (poor Mother Earth), tipped vehicles over, physically assaulted several non-natives including one man who was to purchase one of the new homes being built for his daughter - they followed him into the house and hit him in the head with a shovel hospitalizing him. One of the Natives (my ex's cousin) drove a truck into a major hydro tower knocking people's power out for several days and causing thousands of dollars in damage - not to mention the damage it caused other people such as myself who lost all of the food in my freezer, etc. Also, the way the OPP acted was pathetic to say the least.

@Jess - the difference here is that they have wanted the land all along and have filed the appropriate paperwork to the Government YEARS ago yet it just got pushed aside as unimportant.

Anyway, there is a lot more I could say supporting both sides but I'll stop for now - I'm feeling like shite and may go to the hospital later - I think I might have pneumonia.

Jess - posted on 12/18/2010

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We have similar land rights issue's here in Australia. I remember as a child the town I grew up in started a project to restore run down parks and vacant lots *like old warehouses etc*. They spent Millions doing these places up and right at the end a group decided to claim land rights and the council had to close the lots off to the public while it was sorted. These people didn't want this land while it was a shambles. Once it was actually worth something they wanted their fingers in the pie ! I think each claim needs to viewed on its own merits but unless its an on going case, I don't think one day you have the right to just claim something back.

Rosie - posted on 12/18/2010

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never heard of this, sorry. but i do know that many hawaiians are disgusted at the thought of belonging to the united states. when we were there, it was the week that they were to be celebrating their 50th anniversary as a state. there were articles in the paper about how many people were not happy about it and won't be celebrating. there's definitley a movement there to free hawaii.

go to any israel kamakawiwo'ole video on youtube and the comments below are a very clear indicator of the movement for freedom there.

i personally don't know how i feel about issues such as these. i understand their anger, but i guess i feel things are the way they are, they need to make the best of it. they still have niihau, if thats how they want to live. that sounds really harsh, but i guess it's how i feel.

Isobel - posted on 12/18/2010

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I think they have a legitimate land claim...they did not get a fair shake in the original deal because the natives could not comprehend the audacity of thinking you could own land. They have been left in the useless part of the country to rot. It's disgusting.

JuLeah - posted on 12/18/2010

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I think what our government did was a sin. We annihilated a people for their land. We gave them smallpox, intentionally.
Our government drew up a list of what would be "offically recognized tribes" leaving all the many many tribes not on the list with the lebel of "unrecognized" and voide of the rights and protections offered the rest.

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