New abortion legislation for Oklahoma

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Isobel - posted on 09/19/2010

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and that my friends is the difference between pro-life and anti-abortion...denying women the chance to prepare and adjust to the idea of having a baby with special needs...just letting her find out when it's born instead of giving her months to study and read and collect special equipment that she may need.

Who cares if the babies that are kept get the best start...so long as women who can't handle it don't have the right to choose.

Meghan - posted on 09/20/2010

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I am happy that the HB 2780 bill was vetoed.
BUT, really? I agree with the other mom's on here who have said that it isn't only about the abortion aspect of it. It is completely unjust that a family has no preparation for having an ill child. My ex and I had discussed what we would do if our son had been born with abnormalities and we decided that we wouldn't abort and I decided that I didn't want any testing because it just wouldn't matter to me (and I wasn't of age for serious concerns). But I had the right to decide for myself which I am grateful for!

Shea - posted on 09/22/2010

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First of all as I've yet to post on this particular forum, I'd like to say hello!
Now, for lack of better words Wow! The way these individuals can just decide what we as mothers , women and fellow human beings are and aren't entitled to amazes me. Information of that magnitude being with held legally?! Do they realize the power they have put into the hands of these doctors? I believe it's about so much more then pro-life or pro-abortion. What happened to our rights as a person? What's next? What other knowledge will they be allowed to with hold from us?

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What would be the point of testing if the doctors are just going to lie about it??? Why not just ban pre-natal testing all together? Sounds like a big ass waste of $ to me! Nothing like paying somone high fees to blow smoke up your ass!

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Krista - posted on 09/22/2010

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That's exactly it, Shea. It's the principle of the thing. I don't want a doctor withholding information from me because he or she has a political agenda, even if I AGREED with their agenda.

The whole thing just smacks of a nasty patriarchy where we women are not being trusted to make our own decisions.

Katherine - posted on 09/20/2010

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This is according to Wiki: Part of the Bible Belt, widespread belief in evangelical Christianity makes it one of the most politically conservative states, though Oklahoma has more voters registered with the Democratic Party than with any other party.[13]

So really WTF?

Isobel - posted on 09/20/2010

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riiiiight: allowing homicide charges if a woman's "reckless behavior" causes the unborn child to die opens up the possibility that prosecutors could seek a murder conviction against women who miscarry after not wearing their seatbelts or returning to a partner who has a history of physical abuse.

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I think it's pretty disgusting and a violation of a woman's right to privacy. It's HER business if she choses an abortion, NOT the entire friggin' states business! I am so glad I don't live in Oklahoma. I'm sure this will be challenged and declared unconstitutional. Sadly, you'll be seeing lots of nasty back-alley abortions down the road if this bill is actually enforced.

ME - posted on 09/20/2010

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This is pretty sick...I think that this same law has been passed in another state as well...I can't remember which...

Jenni - posted on 09/20/2010

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Sounds like a step backwards..... my doctor and my mother both told me they use to withhold the gender of the baby for the same reasons.

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I'm speechless... Parents don't even get to prepare themselves for the arrival of a baby with special needs? This is unfair and cruel.

Iris - posted on 09/20/2010

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How DARE they! They are there to provide the mothers all the information's and get pay for it. And now the mothers to be are going to pay to be told whatever fairytale the Doctors can come up with? I would like to know if they can be sued on ethical terms..

If I lived there and was pregnant, I'd go to Texas, New Mexico, Kansas or whatever State next to me for a checkup. I wouldn't waste a dime in Oklahoma on my medical care.

Becky - posted on 09/19/2010

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Oh my. That's just not right! While I am also pro-life and would never abort my child because he or she had a birth defect, it's just wrong that a doctor can choose not to tell a woman! A family has the right to know and to be prepared for having a child with special needs. Also, what if that defect is something that can be corrected before birth, or needs special considerations during delivery? A woman would definitely need to know those things! When I was pregnant with my second, our 20 week ultrasound revealed a marker for Down's Syndrome - some thickness in the nuchal fold. My doctor wasn't actually going to tell me, only because I had declined genetic testing, but when she said, "oh, you declined genetic testing, didn't you" I knew something was wrong, so I asked her to tell me. We declined further testing to determine if he had Down's, because in the end, we didn't care. But we did have another ultrasound to check his heart, because Down's is often accompanied by heart defects and I wanted to make sure his heart could withstand labor. As it turned out, he was perfectly fine, but man, would I ever have been pissed if he'd had Downs and a heart defect and had suffered further damage during labor because his heart was too weak to take it, and no one had told me there was a chance of that!!

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Oh... my... goodness... This is just so horrible!!! My sister had her genetic abnormalities test come back with a "possible positive" (which turned out to be okay - after 2 months they were able to get an amnio done and saw nothing was wrong). She said she would MUCH rather have had those 2 months of uncertainty than not knowing anything and then being presented with a special needs child after delivery or something like that.

It comes down to: if we can't trust our doctors to tell us the truth, then who can we trust? I am sure glad I don't live in Oklahoma right now...

On the other posted article - that is ridiculous as well! Like the article pointed out, women from smaller counties can easily be pinpointed by the data given (belive me, I lived in a small county growing up and everyone knew everyone else and if data like that had been public we would have ALL known - thanks to the rumor mill and process of elimination - exactly who had an abortion and when). Once again, makes me glad I'm not living in Oklahoma (and I never will!).

Amie - posted on 09/19/2010

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Wow, that's democracy at it's worst. Nothing like taking away our basic human right of deciding for ourselves.

C. - posted on 09/19/2010

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Hmm.. Well.. You all know my stance on abortion, so I'm not even going to go into all that right now..

BUT, I don't believe it is right to withhold information from a patient, regardless of what they THINK the outcome might be if they told them what was going on. It's just wrong, IMO. No doctor should be allowed to withhold any kind of info from a patient about them or their baby.

Katherine - posted on 09/19/2010

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This law went into effect this past April and I was browsing(because I was bored) and found this. I am pro-life, but this is so wrong on so many levels.

JuLeah - posted on 09/19/2010

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One step forward and two steps back ..... what will it take for people to figure this stuff out?????

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This might shock some coming from me, but I don't like the idea of this. I think parents have the right to know if a child has a defect. As a pro-lifer, I would like to know so that I could prepare myself rather than finding out shortly after giving birth.

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