NO crib is safe!!!! Damn it.

Katherine - posted on 02/18/2011 ( 51 moms have responded )

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In the first national study of its kind on crib injuries, the Center for Injury Research and Policy of the Research Institute at Nationwide Children’s Hospital reported some pretty disturbing statistics: 9,500 children are taken to emergency rooms with crib-related injuries every year. That's 26 children per day. Every day!

While the study did show a decrease in injuries as more cribs, such as the dangerous drop-side style, are recalled, the numbers are still much higher than one would imagine for a sleeping area for babies. Most of the injures were scrapes and bruises, but one in five were head injuries or concussions.

I'm not a committed co-sleeper -- more of an accidental one -- but this study is really making me lean more AP. Especially now that my boy is getting stronger and trying to climb, since they said the most injures reported are older children who are climbing out of the crib. Which means my babe is moving to a big boy bed ASAP.

Before you panic, like I am, there are some common sense things you can do to make your crib as safe as possible:

Select a crib, playpen, or bassinet that meets all current safety standards, one that does not have drop-down sides, and has not been recalled. To see which models are on the recall list, parents can go to Recalls.gov.

Always place your baby on his or her back in any crib or sleeping area.

Do not place pillows, bumpers, stuffed animals, sleep positioners, or anything else in the crib or sleeping area with your baby.

Do not put blankets in the crib or sleeping area. To keep babies warm, dress them appropriately, but do not use blankets.

The safest crib is a bare crib without anything in it other than the mattress and a tight-fitting sheet.

Also, doctors suggest parents check cribs, playpens, and bassinets often to make sure there are no loose or broken parts, and as your baby gets older, be aware of their strength and mobility.

While I realize millions of babies are not injured in cribs, these numbers are worth looking at -- and re-evaluating your nursery. I know I did.

Does this study make you want to co-sleep?

http://thestir.cafemom.com/baby/116532/c...

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Sharon - posted on 02/18/2011

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NOPE. Did not make me want to co-sleep. My babies went from basinette to toddler bed really. I had this gorgeous mahogany convertible crib and my kid got so long so fast - it was pretty much obsolete. I never even put it together.

Kids climb shit. I they aren't climbing their crib, they're standing on the back of the sofa.

If they aren't standing on the back of the sofa, they're climbing up the shelves of the pantry as if they were simple steps. (when the top shelf is 10 feet of the ground, its HEART STOPPING!)

If they aren't climbing the pantry shelves, they're hanging and swinging on the bedroom doorknob... mind you, its not some extra large lever type handle, its a round handle and he's hanging from it and chinning himself on it, until he looses his grip and bucks his new teeth on the doorknob, piercing his lip. NICE. I love going to work with blood on my clothes.

Its not necessarily the crib, its the kid.

Sherri - posted on 02/18/2011

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Eh I used cribs with all 3 of my kids we used bumpers for all of them and I will for any subsequent others as well and we used blankets as well. My youngest would only sleep if he covered his face with his blanket from the time he was born, still does it at 4yrs old now. Also all of my kids were in cribs until they were almost 3yrs old. None of my kids ever climbed out. If you are smart cribs are safe, just use common sense.

Vegemite - posted on 02/20/2011

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I don't understand what Sherri is saying on the original page. She talks about using bumpers and blankets and letting her new born cover his face. Then she talks about being smart and using common sense in the same paragraph. Seems like a contradiction to me. I have read the post between Sherri and Loureen, some tough love and letting baby know how it is not baby letting you know how it is, is common sense and smart.
I'm sorry but giving bad advise then saying it's smart and common sense is negligent to say the least.

Jodi - posted on 02/19/2011

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Ah, see I had a baby monitor until my kids were out of their cots, because our room is right at the other end of the house, and I would never have heard them. They were both pretty good sleepers, but I heard them if they were awake enough to be climbing out of cots, LOL. I actually caught my son red-handed before he got out, and that was the day he was moved :) My daughter actually loved her cot so much she didn't WANT to go into a bed. Go figure!!

Sarah - posted on 02/18/2011

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No, the study doesn't want to make me co-sleep (bit late now anyway! haha!)
EVERYTHING can be dangerous, every single in your house could cause an accident. We try to be sensible and prevent accidents the best they can, but they will happen regardless.

If co-sleeping works for you, cool. If not, use a crib as safely as possible.

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Merry - posted on 02/20/2011

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Lol, ok typo! The last line----I typed "don't have" but the iPad changed it to "dingbats" wow that's awful. Stupid smart computer trying to fix my words :)

Merry - posted on 02/20/2011

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I'm already an avid cosleeper supporter! But yeah I used a crib with Eric cuz I was mis informed about co sleeping and didn't look into it soon enough.
Eric slept in his crib just fine around the age of 4 months. On his belly
He could lift s head, and roll over so it's 'safe'
He slept with a blanket, but he never messed with it and it was usually off him by the time I came to nurse him every few hours.
Then he got his first col at 6 months and I raised the crib mattress on one side to help him breathe, but he slid down to the bottom all crumpled up!
So I pu the pillow on top of the mattress, but under a tight sheet. This way he had cushion and softness to help him snuggle in, but still no loose ends or something to get stuck on his mouth or nose.
From then on he wouldn't sleep flat. So he had a nice sized ramp in his crib made up with pillows and blankets all with a sheet over the top from then on. He had a nice sized indent where he slept on his side, and the pillows curved around his body well so he felt secure.
He was in the crib until he was 20 months and we wanted to set it aside for the new baby to use in a few months so we bought a toddler bed. It was a fire truck bed that in all reality was like a crib in that it had about 8 inches of sides all around it except for a small spot to climb out.
Oh,he also had a crib bumper the whole time in the crib, never thought that was unsafe until I read it online recently.
So now he sleeps on his side, just as he always has,with a travel pillow lengthwise next to his body, he rests his hands on it, and cuddles his body up to it.

Our baby due in may will be co sleeping with the crib as a bed extension.
Oh yes it's a drop side crib Eric was in!
But that is awesome cuz now I will take that side off entirely to put it next to my bed for some extra wiggle room with the baby. And maybe some diapers wipes and change of clothes for her in the crib so I dingbats to get out of bed at all!

Vegemite - posted on 02/20/2011

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no it doesn't make me want to co sleep because I have common sense and use cots properly. If cots are used the way they should be and to an appropriate age they're perfectly safe. I don't understand this thing about drop side cots being dangerous either, if I didn't have one I wouldn't be able to put my kids in without dropping them or be able to pick them up because I'm too short to reach. How hard is it to put the gate up and make sure it's installed properly? A cot and mattress is one of those things that I saved nine months for so I could get the most expensive one I could afford. I don't understand why people have 2 and 3 years olds still in a cot, besides the obvious safety risks they are just too big to fit. My 18 month old has run out of room in his huge Boori cot so I can't see how 2 or 3 year old would fit, my 3yr old would definitely have a bad sleep in a cot.

Kate CP - posted on 02/19/2011

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Well, I took a nap with my son in bed with me and I have decided that I can't bed share with my son. I need to be able to roll over while I sleep and I can't if he's in bed with me. I also tried nursing while laying down and I couldn't get comfortable at all. So...I guess we're sticking with the bassinet for now. :/

Alyssa - posted on 02/19/2011

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i'm not saying that you put your children at risk at all. Trust me I am very much a "deal with it when it happens" kind of mum. I was trying to put across the point that you can't watch a kid every minute while they are sleeping and one time might be enough to cause a bad head injury. It's a big fall from a cot! I just accepted that I couldn't wait until they fell or even started to climb...because that would be too late...for me.

Jodi - posted on 02/19/2011

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OK then, that's your choice. But just because I waited, doesn't mean I was waiting for my child to fall out. None of my children ever fell out. There is the potential for a child to fall off a swing too, do you also prevent them going on those? I think there is such a thing as a little OVER cautious too....such as putting them in a toddler bed at 9 monthe because of the *potential* that they may fall out. Maybe you should just never sleep because of the *potential* that every time you put your child down to sleep they may stop breathing?



I'm just saying there are MANY things that have potential to happen, but as parents, our job is not to avoid every potential risk, but to assess the risk of that potential and act accordingly. My children were never put at risk because I decided to wait, as you appear to be suggesting.

Alyssa - posted on 02/19/2011

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Jodi, I chose not to wait until my child fell out. Soon as they were getting more active ie. standing up at about 9 months, I knew there was the potential for them to start climbing, so they went into a toddler bed.

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@ Kate I always slept with my children a little highetr than me in the bed. Especially when they were infants. we live in Canada and have cold winters so this helped with me having blankets on me and not on the baby. Plus, if I rolled the baby's head would be above me. Once they got older I snuggled them like the pictures Loureen showed you. My youngest is almost 3 and sleeps in her own bed most nights but sometimes she comes in to snuggle still. I have 2 children and haven't used a crib for either of them. I thought it was too scary for me. I felt much more secure when I had them close to me and I could feel them breathing with my hand on their chest.

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No it does not make me want to co-sleep my kids have their own beds however if the fall asleep in mine I leave them till hubby comes home from work and moves them. My now four year old was in a toddler bed at 15-16 months and we had no problem with him staying in bed my daughter is almost 13 months and I am up in the air with when we will move her out of her crib. Right now she has a pillow two big blankets a huge floppy bunny and her snuggly.....we just took the bumper out because I was tired of taking it out to change the sheets. Both of my kids were and still are tummy sleepers and neither of them sleep dressed. I would co-sleep more but my daughter just wont sleep in our bed where my son would as a baby.

Jodi - posted on 02/19/2011

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"I hear lots of parents who still have their children in cots at 2-3 yo. To me this is more dangerous than putting them in a toddler bed! "

Only if the kid is climbing out. My daughter stayed in her cot until she was 3 1/2. She was only little and loved her cot. And she NEVER attempted to climb out, not once. But most kids would try to climb out, so it really depends on the child. My son started climbing out at about 2, and I transitioned immediately.

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No, this study does not make me want to co-sleep. I've never had one incident with my babies and crib safety however the one time I tried co-sleeping my dh rolled over on our baby (thankfully I was awake - I couldn't sleep at all with baby in the bed). Another time a blanket got over baby's face. I feel safer with my babies in cribs. We take the necessary precautions (no blankets/animals/bumpers) and train them to not climb out.

Rosie - posted on 02/19/2011

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no, it doesn't make me want to co-sleep. kids get hurt walking, should we stope them from doing that? *eyeroll* it's just another way to make mothers panic.

Katherine - posted on 02/19/2011

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A mattress on the floor is the best way to go with a toddler. I never did like the idea of the transitional beds they make me nervous.
Of course it doesn't matter in my case because I co-sleep :)

Tara - posted on 02/19/2011

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I agree Alyssa,
For us, we co-slept until they were between 12-24 months at which time they moved into their own room with a double mattress directly on the floor.
My son is now 14 months, he climbs everything and if he were in a crib, he would have climbed out of it by now. But he's safe in his room. The room has a gate on it, it is completely baby proofed and when he wakes up he just gets out of bed.
He is a really active sleeper and moves around a lot, several times I have found him asleep on the floor beside his mattress, the drop is only about 5-6 inches from the floor, so safe he doesn't even wake up when he falls "out of bed" lol
:)

Alyssa - posted on 02/19/2011

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I hear the question a lot "Is my child old enough for a toddler bed?".

I think generally we are waiting too long to put our children into a bed and like mentioned before it is probably the older kids who can climb who are suffering the more severe head injuries.....how else could they hurt their head in a cot unless they fell out?? (unless it was my brother who apparently used to head bang on the end of his cot. Mum reckons he did it because "it felt good when he stopped" LOL)

I hear lots of parents who still have their children in cots at 2-3 yo. To me this is more dangerous than putting them in a toddler bed!

Tara - posted on 02/19/2011

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@Kate
I sympathize I have HUGE boobies. I co-slept with all the kids from day one.
I found laying on my side to nurse them was a lot easier than sitting uprights, when on my side I didn't have to have one hand on my boob to keep it out of his face, I could just position my body so the girth of my boob was more in front of his face rather than on it!
I don't know how to explain how to do it. But keep trying, I couldn't sleep with my kids in a bassinette even beside the bed, I was always worried they would roll over or have too little air etc. When they're in bed I sense them and I always woke up just a wee bit before them, instincts I think.
Keep researching how it's done Kate and good luck. I bet if you can figure out the co-sleeping you'll feel so much better!!!

Krista - posted on 02/19/2011

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My son's bedroom gets wicked cold in winter so fleecy grobags and swaddlers were a real lifesaver.

Of course, now that he's this big toddler, he has blankets and stuffed toys and books and everything else in there.

Lady Heather - posted on 02/18/2011

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Crib works fine for me. It was always totally bare, solid construction. Now she has stuffed animals and a blanket, but she's 20 months old. We are converting to a toddler bed when we get home next week because she's just now showing an interest in climbing stuff.

Meghan - posted on 02/18/2011

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I don't get it...cribs aren't safe, co-sleeping isn't safe...thank goodness my son has always thought sleep is for the weak.

Katherine - posted on 02/18/2011

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I hear you about the no sleep!!!! Does your hubby sleep with you? Oh this is @ Kate. Maybe he should sleep on the couch or something for a bit and then you and Paul could sleep in the bed........

Charlie - posted on 02/18/2011

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I found he breathed easy when he fed from the top breast while I lay on my side .

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@kate. I found that while laying down to feed i could position myself and the baby so that the baby could breathe and ihave huge Boobs and have to hold them out of the way so he could breathe when i was nursing sitting up.

For me i had him in my arms because then i couldn't forget he was there. If i had tried to roll the weight of something else in the bed would wake me. Not that it ever happened. I don't know if the way i did it was safe but it worked for me. I also wake if the cat is sleeping on the foot of the bed to though so i guess it depends on how tired you are or if you are a light enough sleeper.

Even now that i am no longer bed sharing i hear the kids before they wake Thats how lightly i sleep i just know they are going to wake maybe 10 mins before they do.



I had him nestled in my bottom arm. If that makes sense. While he was under 3 months. after that it was any way he felt comfortable to sleep. I was always aware of him in bed.

Charlie - posted on 02/18/2011

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Oh I have huge boobs and co sleep .



he naturally turns into his side towards me while I sleep or sleeps on his back I sleep with my arm above my head or over him ....let me see if I can find a picture that would show you .

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Good questions Kate. I don't have the boob issue, but my son spent the first 5 months of his life sleeping on his belly upright on me while I was propped upright in the middle of the bed. Safe or not I couldn't tell you, but it was the only way we'd both get some sleep.

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My girls had a thin blanket in the crib w/ them.. tucked under their arm pits. My son, at almost 3, STILL will almost never sleep w/ a blanket. If I put one on him at night cuz he's chilly.... he rolls out of it or pulls it off almost instantly.

Kate CP - posted on 02/18/2011

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So, when bed sharing (since I've never done it) how close is the baby supposed to be to you? I mean, snuggled up in your arms or just laying next to you...what's safe? IS it safe to fall asleep while nursing if you have big boobs that you normally have to hold out of the way of their nose so they can breathe?

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Recommendation for blankets differ here in Aus. Our guidelines say as long as the baby is positioned with their feet at the base of the cot and the blanket is FIRMLY tucked in, it is fine.

I used a cot, and blankets in the manner described above. Milla went into a big bed at 22 months because, although she wasn't climbing out, she was jumping on the mattress and the railing ended up at her belly button level. I was terrified she was going to flip right out lol.

Charlie - posted on 02/18/2011

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sleep suits / gro bags are great ..........personally that would be too great a risk for me don't get me wrong I have made plenty of mistakes but I do try and minimize risk where possible yeah he survived , lucky you ...and him .....that just seems like a massive risk to me , I only mention it because it literally made my jaw drop .

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We did no co-sleeping w/ the girls once they had their own room (3 months). They were climbing in and out of the crib (drop side hand-me-down cribs) by 2 years.... we got rid of the cribs shortly after that. They never had any injuries.

My son slept in his crib from 6-14ish months. He's been back in it as a co-sleeping side bed (w/ the one missing side) for almost a year now. No injuries for him either. I DO co-sleep w/ him, but it has everything to do w/ our space issue and attachment and nothing to do w/ the crib issue.

Sherri - posted on 02/18/2011

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My youngest would only ever sleep that way and still does to this day I hated it trust me. I would pull it down but he would pull the blanket up every single time, even as a 24hr newborn and would scream holy hell and wouldn't sleep at all if he didn't have it that way. Actually now that I think about it my oldest one sleep with his head covered under the blankets too although he didn't when he was little. You may not always do the recommended right way to do things as a mom Loureen but sometimes you have to do what you need to do to survive and I really didn't ask for your opinion on the situation. He will be 5 in May and survived just fine, trust me I wouldn't do anything to have jeopardized his safety.

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Sherri , you let your babies sleep with blankets covering their face ? ...............I don't know what to say O_O

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I can attest to the no blanket thing... My 4 month old spit up a lil in her playpen, so I put a blanket over it. I put her back down later that day to get clothes out of the dryer... I heard her cry but she always cries when I put her down. But I get to the room and the blanket is over a face. It was so scary. Just a minute longer and she could've suffocated.

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I Did that with my 2nd baby. He had colic really bad and i was exhausted so i rolled 2 blankets up one for behind his back and the other in front of him which was high enough to stop him rolling forward but low enough that if he did move a lot it wouldn't get in his face. I still swaddled him and with the support in front i felt confident that he wouldn't roll forward and suffocate and the one on his back stopped him from rolling back and waking up.



Not sure if that helps but i hope you cans ort something otu soon so you can get some rest.

Kate CP - posted on 02/18/2011

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I should know better than to open these topics. I have a dilemma in regards to my newborn and his sleeping arrangements...he doesn't sleep well unless he's being held (as most babies his age do). He wakes himself up frequently unless he's swaddled tightly AND laying on his side. So I've rolled up a blanket and jammed it against the side of the bassinet and placed him with his back to it. He's got plenty of room between him and the side of the bassinet he faces and he sleeps well like that...BUT I DON'T. I'm terrified he's going to roll onto his stomach and suffocate or unswaddle himself and suffocate or SOMETHING. I have NO IDEA what the hell I'm supposed to do. I can't sleep with the boy because I'm so exhausted from waking up every 2 hours to nurse him (I'm having a hard time waking up when he cries in his bassinet which is right next to my bed) and I'm scared I'll roll onto him or he'll get squished or something and I won't wake up. My husband is sleeping on the sofa right now so he can get some sleep so he can function enough to work the next day...I'm at my wit's end. I'm terrified I'm going to wake up to a dead baby and I need sleep.

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Amie, I was thinking the same thing - it is probably the toddlers who are climbing out of their cribs. I can't tell you how often I have read, just here on CoM, abotu a mother who thought her child was still too young for a bed, but was climbing out of the crib, what should she do? Now, to you and I it is common sense that once they start climbing from a crib, you need to get them out of there because there IS the potential for injury. However, just the fact that people are even ASKING the question tells me it isn't common sense, and for every mother asking, I am sure there is another one who isn't.

Amie - posted on 02/18/2011

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I bed shared with all of ours. They still had cribs (well our son never did) that were used sparingly.



The only one who didn't move to a bed when they were 13-15 months was our 3rd, she was in one until she was almost 2. She loved her crib, when she started trying to climb out of it, we moved her.



From what I understand of this though, the majority of it is not listening for their toddlers and going to get them once they're awake. I'm sure some climb out without making a peep but then they should be in beds.

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Most injuries were from falls in toddlers between ages 1 and 2 - generally old enough to attempt climbing out of a crib or playpen.

As for the types of injuries babies sustained, Smith said, "Approximately one-third of the injuries are what we call soft-tissue injuries, which are bruises and scrapes that are typically not very serious. However, about one out of every five injuries were concussions or head injuries."

Overall, 181,654 infants were injured. Most children were not hospitalized. The data also show there were 2,140 deaths, but that doesn't include crib-related deaths in children who didn't receive ER treatment.

Smith, who is also a Professor of Pediatrics at The Ohio State University College of Medicine, says the recall of more than 11 million cribs in recent years helped to slow the number of injuries during the span of the study but according to Smith, "the number still remains unacceptably high."

http://www.ktbs.com/health/26895662/deta...

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I did co sleepw ith all of my children i then move them to a cot/crib until they are able to get off the lounge safely then they go into a big kid bed.
My daughter was 9 months when she could climb down safely from the lounge so thats when she was in a bed and my 1st son was 1yr. I think people who leave kids in cots until they are 2 or later are putting their child in danger. A friend of mines son at 2 and a bit fell out of his cot and broke his arm which reinforced my own thoughts on the situation.
I do have a drop side crib but i don't think they have been recalled in Aus. I feel that my crib with the drop sides is safe for my children. I have taken all the other things into account to. I have a mattress that fits snuggly in the cot with a tightly fitted sheet. Thats it, lucky it's summer here.
When winter hits i will give my son a blanket, he has had one already on the cooler nigths, because he is crawling like a pro can sit himself up and even pulls himself to standing on the furniture.

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I've only ever owned a crib once, and I bought it so I could take one side off and use it as a "side car" bed beside my bed!
Co-sleeping all the way in this family.

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