Not sure about Fluoride??

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 07/12/2011 ( 31 moms have responded )

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My sister in-law suggested I come and bring my son with her when she goes to take her oldest daughter (who is 22months old) to the dentist to get a Fluoride film cover on her teeth (my son is 15months and has 8 ½)
So, I do want to take him to the dentist for the first time get him checked, but what I was not to sure on is the Fluoride cover “protection” the best thing for their teeth.. I have gotten mixed reviews on the net if it is safe to use or not..and if it is not safe..why then do Dentist recommend we use it??

What are your thoughts on the use of Fluoride?
Do you/your childrend use it..why or why not??

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Anna - posted on 07/12/2011

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I practiced as a dental hygienist for several years before I had children 3 years ago, so my knowledge is not very recent I admit, but my understanding at the time was that too much systemic fluoride could be bad for the teeth, but the same is not necessarily true for topical fluoride. The difference being systemic fluoride, like what you get in drinking water or from fluoride tablets, is meant to be ingested, and topical fluoride is meant to work topically, like toothpaste which you spit out (hopefully, you need to be careful about this b/c not all young children are good at spitting) and the fluoride treatments you receive from the dentist.
That said though, I wouldn't think professional treatments would be necessary for a child that young, unless you have a specific reason to be concerned that your son is more susceptible to cavities. If you are on well water and not receiving fluoride in your water you could discuss that with your dentist perhaps.
Dentists and hygienists recommend it because we do believe that it is safe, and that it has the benefit of greatly reducing the amount of cavities in children. I can't say much for the most recent studies in this area b/c, as I said, it's been a while since I've practiced and this isn't an area that I have researched recently. I guess I could compare it a bit to the vaccine debate. Most dentists and researchers sincerely believe that it is safe, some studies contradict this, and there are plenty of parents who think fluoride is a scam the government is using to take over the minds of our children (really). Whenever I had a patient with a mouth full of decay, I would ask the parent if they were on well water, and the answer was often yes. But sugar, bad hygiene or poor genetics will do it too. So it's hard to know.

Charlie - posted on 07/14/2011

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There is a lot of very recent reasearch that is back by the WHO and CDC that say flouride is a cumulative poison , On average, only 50% of the fluoride we ingest each day is excreted through the kidneys. The remainder accumulates in our bones, pineal gland, and other tissues. If the kidney is damaged, fluoride accumulation will increase, and with it, the likelihood of harm.



There is also new research out showing the effects of Aluminum fluoride , If fluoride is added to water which contains aluminum, than aluminum fluoride complexes will form which contribute to hormonal and neurological changes.

" Aluminum fluoride was recently nominated by the Environmental Protection Agency and National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences for testing by the National Toxicology Program. According to EPA and NIEHS, aluminum fluoride currently has a "high health research priority" due to its "known neurotoxicity" (BNA, 2000). "



I think the fact even government agencies are looking seriously into it says a lot.

Charlie - posted on 07/13/2011

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I disagree that you have to give them flouride tablets if your water doesnt have it in there , there is plenty of naturally occuring fluoride in vegitables , teas , fish even in the atmosphere ect.

Small doses have been found to strengthen bones and enamel however you do not know nor can you control the amount of flouride being ingested through other sources anything more than the miniscule amount needed that can be attained through good diet and simple brushing of teeth is essentially poison.

The WHO list it as a naturally occuring hazard

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I'm extremely anti-flouride. I didn't use to be as anti when the girls were little. They had the flouride drops a handful of times as babies (we don't have it in our water) and some tablets as toddlers. We've done half a dozen or so treatments at the dentist and have flouride toothpaste. My son has only ever had the toothpaste... in a very small amount and he's pretty good at spitting. I'm done getting the flouride treatments for the girls and my son will never get one (he's never gotten the drops or tablets either). All 3 of my kids have fairly good teeth... as do I and my mom was WAY more anti-flouride than I started out as. ;)



Some people 'sing the praises' of flouride and some call it poison. I would be in the second group of people.

Amber - posted on 07/14/2011

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Well, the issue is that it really doesn't work as effectively as using it topically. And that it's been linked to dementia, cancer, ulcers, tooth disease, and other things.
Then you add to that the fact that people are ingesting fluoride from multiple sources and the problems start adding up.

I don't know if it *is* bad or causes the diseases. But if it doesn't really work, then why do it?

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Sherri - posted on 07/14/2011

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Oh well since my water has fluoride in it, not much I can do about it. I have had fluoride in my water forever, and we have never had problems nor know anyone who has. I think it has more benefits then negative effects from everything I have heard from pediatricians, to dentists.

Charlie - posted on 07/14/2011

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Exactly Amber it has been shown to be of benefit in small amounts as a topical treatment all risks are associated with systemic use .

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I know that it can kill or harm in large doses but for example, the water in my area has been flouridated for as long as they've been doing it and I personally don't see the issue. Maybe I'm missing it.

Amber - posted on 07/14/2011

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It can kill and it can cause illness. The problem that is coming about now is that there are higher levels of fluoride and they come from multiple sources. So, many people are getting too much fluoride.



If infants and small children ingest too much fluoride, it actually causes tooth decay instead of preventing it.



I'm not anti-fluoride, but it's been proven that it's not helpful in drinking water and it's actually been linked to more harm than benefits. Fluoride is beneficially when put on the teeth directly, but has little effect when ingested.



So, I take the treatments at the dentist and in my toothpaste, but it ends there.





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While tooth decay has been decreasing in the US. It has been decreasing at the same rate in countries that don't add fluoride to their water. So...it's not likely that the fluoride in water actually caused the change, otherwise those countries wouldn't have been changing with us.

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I can't afford bottled water so my son and I drink tap water exclusively unless we're on the road and bottled is the only option. In fact, most kids are bored with the drinks offered in our home. Your choice: skim milk or water.

I'm confused, what is the concern with flouride? Have we seen it kill people or cause illness recently? I personally put the anti-flouride crowd in the same field as anti-vaxers.

Amber - posted on 07/13/2011

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I put tap water in a water pitcher in the fridge. I have a refillable water bottle that I use around the house and that I take with me when I go out.
We have well-water though. Not city water.

Sherri - posted on 07/13/2011

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We drink tap water 95% of the time. The ONLY time we drink bottled water is if we are away from home. Actually don't know of anyone who doesn't drink tap water around our area.



I even used tap water for all my kids bottles.

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Who drinks tap water nowadays? We haven't drank tap water in 10+ years. Is it still the norm in other places?

Amber - posted on 07/13/2011

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My son just got his fluoride treatment on his teeth at the dentist today.

We don't have fluoride in our water, and the dentist said that it is not necessary to have as long as we're getting the treatments twice a year and using fluoride toothpaste.

I could be wrong, but he made it seem like he wasn't going to do the fluoride treatment if we had fluoride in our water.

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Neither me, or either of my brothers growing up, ever had fluoride tablets, and I've never given them to Roxanne and no dentist or doctor has mentioned anything about them, so I'm not inclined to think they're necessary, or even recommended for the average kid.

Roxanne does however have a protective fluoride treatment on her teeth now.

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You don't have to 'Chatty'... cuz I don't. ;) I 'think' only the 'nursery water' has flouride in it.... which would be one of the many reasons I'd never consider buying that stuff. I don't think normal bottled water has it. I think a lot of the tap water in the US has it, but we don't... and I hope we never will.

Sherri - posted on 07/13/2011

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No bottled water does not have fluoride in it.

Tooth decay had been decreasing for 40 years, but now studies show that this trend is reversing. Tooth decay in young children’s teeth is on the rise, which probably means that preschool children are either eating too much sugar or snacking constantly or not getting enough fluoride. This may be due to the fact that today’s children drink less tap water than previously. More parents are giving their children bottled water and fruit juices and in this way the children are missing out on a source of fluoride in tap water that has traditionally prevented tooth decay at a young age.

If fluoride is used early in your child’s life, it will provide extra protection for their developing teeth. All children need supplemental fluoride after they are six months old. Usually they get this from the water they drink if they are in an area where the community water supply has an adequate amount of fluoride in it (greater than 0.6 part per million) and they are drinking tap water. If your community has levels of fluoride in the drinking water below what is optimal for prevention of decay your pediatrician or pediatric dentist can prescribe fluoride supplements for children between the ages of six months and 16 years.

Fluoridated drinking water acts systemically-in other words it is swallowed and distributed through the bloodstream to the teeth. This means that when your child is between the ages of 6 months to 16 years the fluoride in the drinking water is acting to strengthen the developing permanent teeth. Other forms of systemic fluorides include fluoride tablets and vitamins.

The other way that fluoride works is topically. This means that the fluoride is working to strengthen the teeth already in the mouth and making them stronger so that decay does not develop. Topical fluorides include toothpaste containing fluoride, professionally applied fluoride treatments and fluoride mouth rinses.
http://www.harvardvanguard.org/dental/Fl...

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You HAVE to give your kids fluoride tablets if you don't have fluoride in your water? We don't drink tap water. Forgive my ignorance, but does bottled water have fluoride in it? And, why is fluoride so important.

I under that it's dangerous for babies to have fluoride toothpaste because it's dangerous if they swallow it???

Sherri - posted on 07/13/2011

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They start doing fluoride at 3yrs at the dentist here it is very important. They do it every 6mo's, just as they did for myself growing up. We have fluoride in our water and fluoride toothpaste as well. If you don't have fluoride in your water you have to give your child fluoride tablets prescribed by the pediatrician.

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WOW! There must be glitches because when I posted my comment, it wasn't showing anyone else's comments.

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Roxanne has a fluoride protective cover on all her teeth. Definitely recommend it; especially in the younger years when tooth brushing and flossing is a struggle sometimes, and while children are learning.

The only time I've heard negative things is about fluoride toothpaste for young kids.

Dana - posted on 07/12/2011

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I don't think a dentist will do it if it isn't necessary- for some kids it is. I'd take him in for a check-up but, I'd be weary if this dentist just applies it to any old kid...

JuLeah - posted on 07/12/2011

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Some of the studies are flawed. They added fluoride to the water in a few locations, but they also gave each kid a toothbrush, taugh them to brush, taugh them to floss ... yah better teeth at the end of the study then the start, but what caused the improvement?

Some studies show some benifit in small doses .... your call. I'd not over dose .... don't let your kid swallow the toothpaste if it contains fluoride for example

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/12/2011

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I am all for flouride. My son knows how to spit his toothpaste out, and we even use a flouride rinse at home. I used to not want to use it, but he knows not to swallow it. He brushes his own teeth, he is 5 so I know he does not do a great job, and I think having the flouride helps balance that out. The dentist I went to did put the flouride on per my request.

Becky - posted on 07/12/2011

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I took my son to the dentist at 2 1/2 and they did not even suggest flouride. I wouldn't do it at that age, because a young child may not yet be able to spit on demand and will probably end up swallowing quite a bit of it. If you take good care of your son's teeth, it's most likely not necessary yet anyway.

Alison - posted on 07/12/2011

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My friend is on WIC on she was told by someone at the Department of Health to have the topical flouride application to help protect teeth. However, I have read that ingesting flouride--like in water--isn't necessarily helpful and could even be harmful even though many cities (included mine) have adopted the practice of adding flouride to the drinking water.

Tawny - posted on 07/12/2011

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I would probably wait until he is little bit older. Too much flouride can hurt the teeth, but some works really good my mom always told me when we were little the dentist had us take flouride tablets and plus we had a well that a good amount of flouride in it and my siblings and I have been lucky up until now with not having many problems with our teeth and my parents teeth are bad. If a person gets too much flouride it can cause some problems .....here is a link I found
http://kidshealth.org/parent/growth/feed... ... I hope that helps...

Charlie - posted on 07/12/2011

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We only use it in our toothpaste but we filter it out of our water the CDC and ADA have now admitted the overuse of flouride is bad for you hich is why we choose to limit exposure .

Dentist now say overuse of flouride is also bad for teeth so if you are using flouride toothpaste and it is in your water that should be more than enough.

September - posted on 07/12/2011

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Our son's pediatric dentist said children under the age of 2 do not need fluoride treatments. He also recommended that we offer Kazyn tap water from time to time which contains a healthy dose of fluoride making fluoride treatments unnecessary. Kazyn had his first check up a couple of months ago and they did not use fluoride. We do however use toothpaste with fluoride in it. If I were you I would not do it.

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