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Sharon - posted on 09/01/2010 ( 128 moms have responded )

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I'm curious.

Can anyone show concrete good he has done for the American public?

The free healthcare/reduced healthcare thing - is a joke - I don't know a single person who has benefitted from this or sees that they will benefit from it when its finally implemented. Actually what I read leads me to believe that I'd better find a money tree pretty damn quick to afford his "free" health care.

What I have seen is a shit load of health insurance companies suddenly raised rates, dropped coverage for certain things and made it harder for those who were paying to get services.

I see crazier and crazier laws being passed - the no epidural is the latest (not passed yet?)

My mother calls me constantly ranting about the newest assinine thing he's done. I honestly don't pay attention because mostly I just don't give a shit. I'm irritated by all the rabble rousing he seems to do and yet nothing effective is produced from him?

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Isobel - posted on 09/02/2010

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Christina, there is nothing in the news about pulling out of the middle east in general. There has been nothing in the news about the closure of Gitmo causing any problems for the U.S., the same amount of people worship Obama that worship Sarah Palin...oh wait (I think she has a higher subscription rate on the deity scale).



I am sooooooo sick and tired of all the "so called" and "supposedly"s being thrown around. If you want to claim that he is or is not responsible for something...look up the facts, don't just spout what Glenn Beck fears might happen next and puts up on his magic black board.



Since nobody here believes that Obama is God, I suppose we can leave that part of the argument out, thank you...I'm not a big fan of strawmen arguments.



about the health care bill...yeah it sucks mostly now...wanna guess why????? I'll give you three tries...and here's a hint, it has a little something to do with the party of no. They wouldn't let any good thing about it pass because EVERY politician you've got (left AND right) is in the pocket of big pharma and insurance companies.



He HAS done a lot, whether you like him or not, and NO he could never have fulfilled all his promises in ONE day, but he's working on most of them and if people would research it and see what he's TRYING to do (when he's not being shut down by the right) they would see it's a lot more than a lot of people would have you believe...



you know what? it kinda makes me laugh a little that there are too groups of republicans, the ones that think he hasn't done anything, and the other group that think he's done EVERYTHING WRONG and is the antichrist...

Krista - posted on 09/02/2010

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Yea...he's done jack-squat:

# Passing the "largest" economic stimulus bill in American history.
# Ordering the closing of Guantanamo Bay military detention facility and abolishing "enhanced interrogation techniques."
# Setting a fixed timetable for withdrawing U.S. combat forces from Iraq.
# Ordering 21,000 additional troops to Afghanistan and enlisting, with modest new assistance, European allies in a new multi-layered strategy there and in Pakistan, and setting a timetable for a drawdown of troops.
# "Returning science to its rightful place" by lifting the Bush restrictions on federally funded embryonic stem cell research.
# Signing laws to expand children's health insurance (financed by a 61-cent per pack increase in the federal cigarette tax the adviser did not tout).
# Signing a law meant to improve the ability of women who allege pay discrimination to sue their employer.
# Lifting travel and remittance restrictions for Cuban Americans who seek to travel more frequently to the island and send more US currency to their immediate family.
# Appointed the first Latina to the US Supreme Court
# signed a law supporting increased financial aid to severely injured war veterans, and their caretakers.
# Banned offshore drilling until parameters for deep well safety procedures are clarified.
# Put a hold on Artic oil exploratory digging until environmental impacts are clear.
# Passed health care reform.
# signed a hate crime bill

And like Petra says, he inherited TWO wars and the most craptacular economy since the Great Depression. Do I think he's perfect? No. But if you think McCain/Palin would have done any better, then you'll please excuse me while I go off somewhere and laugh until I lose control of my bladder.

Jessica - posted on 09/03/2010

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Obama made 506 promises in his campaign. He had 81 of his promises stalled. He broke 22, compromised on 39 and kept 121. 240 other promises in the works that leaves only 3 with no action taken. And in only 2 years of office.



Yea, he's done nothing...

Tah - posted on 09/02/2010

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The man received a mess, we were broke, in multiple wars etc, he has been in office what like just 2 years and already he has reduced the amount of people who would have been foreclosed on and who would have filed for bankruptcy....people can't be denied healthcare and those young adults who are taken off healthcare while in collge or right out of college(like my sister) will be able to stay in their parents insurance longer. At every turn he has met with roadblocks, us as americans pretend he has a magic wand, its gonna take time to fix what he was given because it took time to get this way....as for the troops, you cant just go into a war that has been going on for years and rip people out....he needed a plan and he has pulled out the majority of troops and the war is over in Iraq anyway, i would like to say in Afghanistan as well, but i understand that is will take time, so thanks to him their are many military families sleeping alot better tonight with their loved ones on the way home..and i know they are appreciative.

Sara - posted on 09/03/2010

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So, a president who passes major health reform; removes our troops from one war, while expanding a second (but the first and primary) war; saves GM, Chrysler, and Wall Street; ends torture by the CIA; dictates an open policy of government, takes an active role in the middle east peace process; passes credit card reform; and passes student loan reform is an ineffectual leader?

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Stifler's - posted on 09/07/2010

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We've had medicare since before i was born here in Australia and I think it's a great idea. He also gave the government a pay cut when he was first sworn in didn't he? And yes pulling the troops out or whatever. At least he is doing something lol unlike the Australian government who just talk and never change anything to see if it works or is good.

Tah - posted on 09/06/2010

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they haven't mentioned that to us over here...knock on wood...(actually banging on it)...we live outside the base in goverment housing...it works like this....E-1 thru E-3 do not receive any money for housing unless they have a family...if you are a 21 year old single guy in the military and are one of these ranks then basically you are working at a fast food restaurant, many have second jobs at this point, or room with with other poor soldiers or they live on the ship, in the barracks etc. if you happen to be married(and some get married just for the extra money(why is the divorce rate so high again?) which is about 200 extra dollars per month..and no, that isn't per family member, and then they will give you BAH to be able to afford somewhere for your family to live since your wife and baby aren't going in the barracks or your rack on the ship. Your BAH depends on the cost of living in the state you are in. If you live in some little town where it cost peanuts to live, your BAH or housing allowance is going to reflect that etc. you receive the housing allowance because without it, being as though the military doesn't pay you according to what you should be paid you know, risking your life and all, you couldn't afford to live anywhere else. Now lets say you have an apartment or house and it cost 1000 a month, well your BAH is 950, so you are responsible for the rest, plus bills, car notes, food, daycare, blah blah blah..or you can get a good deal and get a place for around 750, and have BAH left over to go toward these things. Now, when you move into base housing, that BAH is automatically taken so you dont see that 900, 1000, 1600..whatever..it goes right back to the goverment so then you make due with whatever you have coming in after that.



If they started making us pay our bills seperately, it wouldn't be a big deal because this is the first time either of us has lived on base we were both out in the world making it work with what we had..he was military but lived in a regular apt and i had a townhouse in a co-op when we met. They sold to a company and said hey we want you buy or we relocate you. they gave us money, we relocated( it was to small for a growing family so we didn't buy) to an apartment the size of a shoe box 3bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, rent 1300( and going up) and we were paying every utility, child care for 3 kids etc.., food, 2 vehicles etc..it was killing us..so when the opportunity came up to move to the newly renovated 2000 sq ft, 4 bedrooms, 3 bath houses on base..ummm...yeah we took it because it came out cheaper. We started the process of buying but we dont know where he will be next year at this time so it's on hold, but thats about the way it works as far as the getting money frome the military for having a family and living expenses, because if they didn't even the kids would have to get jobs to be able to live on what they pay them. Obama has helped us because military is not supposed to have to pay the taxes on the vehicles, but on my truck since both of our names are on it, they have been charging us because i am not active duty military..that sucks, as of last year, Obama had it changed that now even if the whole darn families name is on the title, if he or she is in the military they dont have to pay, he saved us 300 dollars a year...i kinda like the guy..

Isobel - posted on 09/05/2010

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awww...are people going to find out how much electricity costs a year BEFORE they have to pay it???

MAN that SUCKS!!!!!

Jessica - posted on 09/04/2010

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Also, the bases are going to be metering the houses and whoever goes over a certain amount of water and electricity per month has to pay for whatever they used over the set limit. They are actually doing mock-billing this year so people can get an idea of what that will be like so they can try to conserve as much water/electricity as possible.

That doesn't much sound like 'letting you learn'. It sounds like, right, we're going to stop you from using over x amount of water and over y amount of electricity because we want to stop spending that much on bills.

Admittedly I don't personally know what it is like in the Army, but my best friend married a soldier and she was always telling me how awesome it was to live on camp because rent was taken straight away and you didn't have to worry about it. She didn't have to pay council tax, she got significant reductions of her gas, electric and water bills just because her husband was a soldier and her husbands pay increased JUST because he got married.

If that happened in the outside world than no-one would be getting foreclosed on. JMO.

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Oh geeze.. I should have seen that coming, Dana.



It's not that I DON'T have compassion for those people, it's that sometimes I think people just need to live and learn. And don't talk about the military if you aren't living any kind of military life (spouse or AD/Reserves) b/c you don't seem to know what all you're talking about. Yeah, we get housing and housing allowances when we get stationed to an expensive area. The military doesn't have to take care of it for you, you can easily set it up to where you have to pay for things yourself and not have it come out automatically.



Also, the bases are going to be metering the houses and whoever goes over a certain amount of water and electricity per month has to pay for whatever they used over the set limit. They are actually doing mock-billing this year so people can get an idea of what that will be like so they can try to conserve as much water/electricity as possible.



They started doing that on many military installations already, pretty soon they will al be doing it.



And when you say cradled, it makes it sound like we're being babied. Not true at all. We're not babied. They teach you how to take care of things so that when you get out of the military and out on your own, you know what you're doing. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Rosie - posted on 09/04/2010

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to me it all ties in together because people like you OBVIOUSLY believe crap that comes out of glenn becks mouth, which in turn makes people think obama has done nothing. did you watch the videos??? OBAMA IS GOING TO BAN FISHING???? WTF? people actually believe that shit, and THAT my dear, is why obama isn't perceived to be doing well. not because he hasn't been doing well. jesus, if you'd take a minute, have all the facts and then make up your mind instead of listening like sheep at whatever comes on fox news, i'd have alot more respect for your opinion then.

Dana - posted on 09/04/2010

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I just went through all the posts, I don't think it strayed too much at all.

Tah, I didn't see your post before when you addressed me. I would never say anything like that to you, as far as being cradled by the military because you don't sit there attacking people without compassion. I only said that to Christina because she talked about (regular) people being bailed out by the government. It's easy to sit there and attack people who graduated high school or college who went out and bought homes, etc.. vs people who graduated high school and signed into the military. That's what I mean by cradled. I don't necessarily mean it's a bad thing. The military nurtures (which is what cradled means) young adults into responsible adults. There's a safety net there, of housing and job security. The rest of us don't get to work a secure job, that takes out our rent and utilities and deals with it all for us. Luckily I'm not one of those people who are in debt or has a home in foreclosure but, it's frustrating to see others who don't have compassion for those who do. I hope that makes sense and I haven't offended you further. lol

Dana - posted on 09/04/2010

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Who really cares, a thread can evolve anytime. We're still talking about Obama, and there's nothing wrong with straying.

Kate CP - posted on 09/04/2010

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Are you referring to the Glenn Beck comments? Because he's not exactly a representative of any political party, you know. Neither is Rush Limbaugh.

...But if you want to take a stab at John Stewart or Keith Olberman, go for it.

C. - posted on 09/04/2010

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No, it was more than that. I wasn't just talking about the GOP.. There were several posts about other Conservative figures as well.

Kate CP - posted on 09/04/2010

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About 3 posts were about the GOP. The rest were exclusively about Obama.

How is 3 out of 115 posts "A LOT"?

C. - posted on 09/04/2010

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I saw a LOT of posts bashing the GOP and various Conservative figures.. I thought this thread was about Obama?

Alexandria - posted on 09/03/2010

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He said in July 2010 he was going to START pulling troops out of Iraq. He didn't say they'd all be out by then. Also he said out of IRAQ... he didn't say any of the other countries we're occupying. So technically he's being pretty good on his word about all that.

Dana - posted on 09/03/2010

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Yes, they're as crooked as a dog's back leg. Which is funny since they are the party of "morality" barf...

Rosie - posted on 09/03/2010

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holy hell, i didn't know that. seriously, the more and more i hear about the GOP i want to vomit. and people actually listen and follow them? i don't get it.

Sara - posted on 09/03/2010

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Well, you want to make sure the candidate you like actually gets the nomination..that's probably why most people don't do that. :P

Isobel - posted on 09/03/2010

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so why doesn't everybody sign up as the opposite side and vote for the worst candidate? Probably cause you have more respect for the process than that, but I would totally do it

Jenni - posted on 09/03/2010

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btw... how did Beckapoolza go? Did he trumph Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech?
I'm sorry to say but Glen Beck is the most pretentious, egotistical, ignoramous Fox News has to offer.
Oh yeah... and buy Gold! Go to Goldline and buy whatever they suggest!

Sara - posted on 09/03/2010

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That would be correct, Laura. But then you'd get mail and shit from the GOP...

Dana - posted on 09/03/2010

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Yes, Laura, in Ohio you have to declare a party for the primary and then vote only for that party. Then for the regular election you can vote for whomever you choose. It actually makes more sense that way.

Isobel - posted on 09/03/2010

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so...could I, conceivably declare myself a republican...vote for them to put Sarah Palin up...then vote for a democrat in the actual election?

Sara - posted on 09/03/2010

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Some states have closed Primaries, Laura. Basically, you have to declare a party and then (in my experience) you are only given a ballot for that party. This is only for primary elections, though.

Rosie - posted on 09/03/2010

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heather-They were wearing "Save the white cracker baby" shirts because of remarks made by a prominent memeber in the black panther party. Some rant about how the "white man" wasn't going to listen to them until they kill some white cracker babies or some such drivel. Just like that guy doesn't speak for the entire black panther party, I would hope that no one thinks some of these idiots in the clips speak for everyone in the tea party

i know what incidence with the black panthers you are referring to, but what in the hell does that have to do with ANYTHING with obama, and why they think he's racist? seems pretty redundant to me to claim someone else is racist and then wear shirts with racist remarks on them. and yes that black panther DOES speak for the whole NEW blank panther party. they are horrible, racists themselves. i will give you that not all tea party members are like those in that video, but come on, there ARE drones of people just like those in the video that weren't there, or weren't interviewed, it scares the hell out of me.

secondly glenn beck IS a lying troll, and i don't understand how you can compare his lies to ANYTHING run by cnn or msnbc AT ALL. you think it's just bias or something, but it has been proven time and time again by outside parties who have no stake in whether glenn beck lies or not that when he opens his mouth, you can almost guarantee a lie will come out.
heres just a couple glen becks lies:

LIE: that the black panthers were not prosecuted under the obama administration for voter intimidation.

TRUTH: under the BUSH administration they were not prosecuted, under the obama administration there was a civil trial (that's all that could be done thanks to BUSH) and it was won.

LIE: ACORN is helping people smuggle illegal underage girls in for prostitution, all while the people asking for the underage girls were dressed as a pimp and prostitute.

TRUTH: they weren't dressed that way, AND the guy called his cop cousin afterward, after he got as much info from them as he could. pretty much the whole video was a big fat lie. beck spead this lie over and over again.

LIE: the government will have access to all of your computer files if you access Cars.gov for the cash for clunkers program.

TRUTH: that is false. mr beck quoted the security message on the site for dealers, not the general public. and while mr beck stated that this would happen if the dealer went there, he also spouted off about how they shouldn't access this website at home.

LIE: under the new bill, not having health insurance will result in people being jailed.

TRUTH: you will face a tax penalty, not jail time

LIE: he's claimed he has never attacked anybody's family before until he did it with malia obama.

TRUTH: made comments about michelles breasts, made comments about obamas aunt with a gimpy leg, saying he took her cane from her earlier. he also made comments about his father and mother and how his father left him to go off and be a communist, and his mother leaving him with his grandparents and how horrible she was for doing that, and how it must have affected baracks psyche.

tell me again hes trustworthy????

Isobel - posted on 09/03/2010

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is that true...if you are a registered democrat, do you HAVE to vote democrat, and vice versa?

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Hey that's fine Christina...I believe in him, I voted for him...just the same, no republican was going to win that election which is why the real fight for office was w/in the democrats in the primary...plenty of people vote for party not for person. For that election, in WA state you had to vote for the party you are registered in otherwise your vote was negated, seems right? Gives a person a real "choice" there doesn't it?

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Well, as some of you have pointed out, it's only been two years, so I think it's a bit early to pass judgement.

I fundamentally think he is good man, who really does have admirable intentions of improving the quality of life for ALL people, particularly those most in need.

I think he has earnestly TRIED to implement significant change, but the botton line is that our government is so dysfuntionally mired in partisan bickering that it is damned near impossible for ANY president to implement the policies and legislations in a way that reflect his original intent.

I also think he became president at a shitty time...people were so panicked and disgruntled with the state of affairs that he INHERITED, that short of an immediate and miraculous fix, he was going to be faulted. I'm pretty sure that we would be crucifying McCain in the very same way if he had been elected instead (although I personally believe we would be even more fucked than we currently are).

Being an agent of change almost directly translates into being evil incarnate in the minds of many people. It is pretty much human nature to resist it, and to villify the causative agent. I think only time will tell overall how effective he was.

Sara - posted on 09/03/2010

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The guy could torture kittens while pooping on the American Flag on TV and I'd still say that he's been a productive President so far.

C. - posted on 09/02/2010

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"The real fight for office was determining who we were going to slam: a black man or a white woman...I hate to say but I am not surprised they chose race over gender. :("

Oh my gosh.. I cannot believe that load of BS I just read! The people that voted for him, BELIEVED IN HIM. Trust me, the people that did not like him, wouldn't have chanced it. I seriously can't even believe I read that.. I literally cannot stop laughing. ANYWAY, wow.. I just can't stop! WHEW!!! Shake it off, shake it off..

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I think that Obama has done more for the US then we will ever be able to understand, because the way we were going before him we were on everyone's shit list and Obama put hope in the ♥s of other countries for us! Had other countries lost all hope for us I think we would be sitting in MUCH deeper shit then we are now!

Speaking of the shit we are in...while cleaning shit y'all know it smears...takes time to get it all taken care of. 2 years, hell 2 terms, probably won't cover the massive amount of shit we are in! We fucked ourselves, and we did it GOOD! That'll take time!

I've said it before and I'll die saying it; the only reason a black man was put in office was because no matter WHO took this term they would fail! The real fight for office was determining who we were going to slam: a black man or a white woman...I hate to say but I am not surprised they chose race over gender. :(

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"Christina, I guess I don't really have to answer you since you did so in your reply."



No.. I didn't, actually. Just b/c we get SOME sort of appreciation does not mean we are cradled. We're not cradled.



And obviously you haven't paid any bit if attention to how the military works and what benefits there are, so saying you come from a military family means nothing to me b/c you don't know diddly squat about what you're talking about.

Tah - posted on 09/02/2010

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@ Kate...nope..your not being punked....ashton is not in the bushes outside your home..she said that...

Kate CP - posted on 09/02/2010

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"...while I don't agree with everything Glenn Beck says, he IS an informed person. He has sources from both sides to back up what he's saying, and while he can be insensative and inflamatory, he's rarely wrong about government issues."


...Wait...what?

Kate CP - posted on 09/02/2010

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Okay, first of all THERE IS NO WAR. America has not been in a war since WWII. Everything else has been a "police action". It takes an act of congress to formally declare war. Congress has not declared war on another nation since 1945.

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HAHAHAHAHA...sorry...i was reacting to the Glenn Beck is well informed and rarely wrong comment...HAHAHAHAHA....sorry..there i go again...

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Well, the new health care bill WILL absolutely help my family. While I haven't read all of it, one thing is that I will be able to insure my kids up to the age of 26 instead of 22. With college kids not graduating in some cases BY 22, this is a huge load off of my shoulders for my children.

We just pulled out all but 50K troops from Iraq which living in a military town, is a huge relief for a LOT of my friends and neighbors.

Isobel - posted on 09/02/2010

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I watch international news...cause I'm not in America...and their is PROOF from ALL other networks that FOX is lying...on a regular basis. and that they don't care and plan on doing nothing about it.



If you want proof, really all you have to do is record a week's worth then watch it all at once (no, don't do that, you're head will explode).



Watch any interview with Glenn Beck where somebody has asked him about his ethics and research. He always says that he does NO research, and that he doesn't plan to, that he doesn't care if any of his information is true...because he's an entertainer! NOT well informed. period.

Dana - posted on 09/02/2010

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I don't watch CNN. Anyhow, it's not that they just say he's a liar, it's been proven over and over. And might I add....over.

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I don't just watch Fox News. I frankly don't find any news station reputable enough to trust these days. But I must ask, why believe CNN or MSNBC over FOX? None of them have any concept of ethical journalism. And none of theme have any proof to back up what they say. So FOX can say Glenn Beck's the best thing since sliced bread and CNN can say he's a lying bastard, but you'd rather believe CNN because their spin is better than others? It's still spin. That doesn't make CNN any better than FOX.

Dana - posted on 09/02/2010

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Really Heather? It's been proven that he lies all the time. You have to watch other news sources to see that since Fox News won't report on all the times he's caught in a lie. Seriously, I'm not trying to be an asshole here, the guy is a MAJOR liar. You should really look into that.

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and I will agree that all tea members are not idiots...they make a few valid points. I just disagree with the point that they want to return to...I think the world is better now...or it would be if the crazy people would step out of the way

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while I don't agree with everything Glenn Beck says, he IS an informed person. He has sources from both sides to back up what he's saying, and while he can be insensative and inflamatory, he's rarely wrong about government issues.

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I'm embarrassed because they also love Glenn Beck and to me that's a shame. So, I suppose they are ignorant to some degree, though I hate to say that too.

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