OMG LKE IS THS THA DTH OF THE ENGLSH LANG OR ITS EVOLTION ?

Charlie - posted on 06/06/2010 ( 32 moms have responded )

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There is much debate between older and younger generations about the slaughter or evolution of the English language , depending on which way you look at it but is this really such a new issue ?



Comparing the English language over the centuries much has changed in fact if Shakespeare dropped in to see us 20 years ago im sure his would have been spinning in horror at the way we used the English language much the same as we do now with this generation .

here is an example : "Hello", best said as "Good Day!", "Good morrow!", "Well met"

"Good Bye" spoken as "Fare thee well!", "God save thee", "I shall see thee anon".

"Yes" be "Aye"

"No" be "Nay"

"You" are certainly "Thou"

"You would" or "You should" rolls best off the pecking tongue as "Thou would'st"

or "Thou should'st".

"Listen"takes power as "Hark" or "Hark now"

"Ignore that" best be whispered as "Shun that"

"Come here" moves more feet as "Come hither"

"A Salesperson" barks louder as a "Hawker"

"Beer" slides down thy gullet easier as "Ale"

"A Serving Woman" is a "Wench" unless you've met a "Maiden" who demonstrates a desire to serve.

"Until later" - "Anon"

"Days"- "Morrow"

"Evening"- "E'em"

"Never"- "Ne'r"

"Often"- "Oft"

"Why"- "Wherefore"

"Maybe"- "Perchance"

"Away"- ''Aroint"

"Truly"- "Verily"

"Thank you" - "Grammercy"







Considering it is now acceptable in some countries to answer high school exams in text lingo

are we fighting the inevitable or is this truly the death of "our" English language ?

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As a teacher it just ticks me off to no end! I don't care if you're writing a "rough draft" as part of the writing process-DON'T use text lingo in a rough draft! I won't accept it. And now I am moving on to teaching 9th grade English (SO excited!!!) and I am going to blast these Freshman from DAY ONE about text lingo in my classroom! Years ago I actually had a parent CHALLENGE me with my policy of not using text lingo! Sad, huh?

Marabeth - posted on 06/06/2010

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i am 27 and most of my work friends/acquaintances write in that stupid text talk way. i cannot stand it. i would go so far as to say i hate it. even my text messages are all spelled out with proper (mostly) grammar. the only thing i'm really guilty of is i never capitalize letters. i even check texts/messages over before i send to make sure the vocabulary makes sense. for example i don't like using the same noun too many times in one paragraph, etc etc. that said i also agree with the post about how language evolves and what we view as 'proper' changes. it used to be considered way too casual and lazy to use contractions and now they're pretty much generally accepted (except in papers when i was in school). ending a sentence in a preposition used to be considered horrible but now i don't think most people would notice. i think it's okay to speak colloquially as long as you get your thoughts across in a coherent way. language is the art of how our human brains communicate with each other. obviously no two people will say the same thing the same exact way. i think in most artistic ventures it is acceptable to be crazy and do things very creatively or different (generally it's more interesting that way) but you shouldn't be allowed to do crazy shit until you've mastered the basics.

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Suzette - posted on 06/06/2010

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Caitlin, I'm one of those annoying people that corrects people's spelling mistakes... ha! It has become habit since starting college. When it comes to the 'less' and 'fewer' thing, I'm probably guilty!

Caitlin - posted on 06/06/2010

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I say LOL at times, but mostly as a joke, I would never use it in formal conversation or even worse, in writing an essay (which i'm supposed to be doing right now, btu this is much more interesting). I really worry about what I will be teaching one day, I'm one of those annoying people that goes around correcting grammar in my head, or out loud for my husband of course, and now he does it wrong, just to tease me!



One of the things that bugs me to no end i the misuse of "less" and "fewer".. It makes me cringe to hear it misused! I'm dreading my daughter's teenage years!

Charlie - posted on 06/06/2010

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I actually said out loud "did she just say LOL"S in shock " not the separate letters L,O,L, she actually said LOL'S !!!

ME - posted on 06/06/2010

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As a teacher I find text speak and the like horrifying...I DO consider it the death of the English language, and I think it's very sad!

Joanna - posted on 06/06/2010

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froot? Are you kidding me?!

*bangs head on table* nooooooooooooo!!!!

And did anyone ever watch Tough Love, where one of the girls (Taylor I think) was always saying OMG? I wanted to vomit each time she said it (which was an average of about 5 times an episode).

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"There is actually a group out there that wants to simplify the English language to all those "slang" terms. They're protesting spelling bees in an attempt to get people to listen.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100603/ap_o...



"According to literature distributed by the group, it makes more sense for "fruit" to be spelled as "froot," "slow" should be "slo," and "heifer" — a word spelled correctly during the first oral round of the bee Thursday by Texas competitor Ramesh Ghanta — should be "hefer." .."



Wow! My jaw is dropping out of disbelief! My husband's best friend is one of those highly gifted IQ 145+ kinda people and always ticked off his elementary school teachersin spelling class. He intentionally spelled words with the formal English, not American English. Colour, cheque, flavour, and other various words with a slightly different spelling. And he challenged every single teacher!

Lucy - posted on 06/06/2010

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Wouldn't it be great if Shakespeare's turn of phrase had been adopted universally, though, Loureen? It could make some of the slanging matches on here more interesting- "contemptuous base-born callet" just rolls off the tongue much better than stupid slag!

Not that it applies to any of you ladies, of course, just lovin' the language ;)

Suzette - posted on 06/06/2010

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There is actually a group out there that wants to simplify the English language to all those "slang" terms. They're protesting spelling bees in an attempt to get people to listen.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100603/ap_o...



"According to literature distributed by the group, it makes more sense for "fruit" to be spelled as "froot," "slow" should be "slo," and "heifer" — a word spelled correctly during the first oral round of the bee Thursday by Texas competitor Ramesh Ghanta — should be "hefer." .."



While I may not be the best at using the English language, I was in Spelling Bees all throughout school and in College I use the language properly. I have to use proper formatting, language, etc. or I get docked on my grades. I think it should stay this way. Before I enrolled in College, I didn't realize just how poor my grammar and spelling had become. Now I try to be more aware of how I use language and grammar, though I will admit I slip up at times. I believe the high schools should teach, and enforce, what the Colleges teach and enforce. It would better prepare students for what they have to use in College. (APA and MLA formatting, though I believe APA is used more often than MLA.)



Text and slang is something that should only be used outside of the classroom and teachers allowing it inside should be disciplined, at least in my opinion. Students that attempt to use it in the class should also be disciplined with their grades.

Charlie - posted on 06/06/2010

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I agree Jamie ,
We may not like it but i see this becoming more and more acceptable as English , there is no escaping technology !!

Jaime - posted on 06/06/2010

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I agree it's a pain in the ass to decipher but I think that's where we're headed with language. It's quite the cultural overhaul, but I'm certain that if our future will consist of technological advancements out the yin yang, then eventually the text/computer lingo will become commonplace--even for us. I'm an ESL teacher and an English major, I find it difficult to read and even more difficult not to correct...it's a habit for me. Facebook is probably the worst place for me because I see the short cuts and the slang everyday and yet I still keep coming back for more....lol...the nature of the beast I suppose!

Charlie - posted on 06/06/2010

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I understand that Shakespeare's written works were not typical that is why i used everyday Elizabethan words as an example :)

Charlie - posted on 06/06/2010

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I actually cannot stand it , i find it very hard to decipher and if my teen cousins read the heading of this they would probably say I was illiterate HAHA !

I was actually shocked last night after posting this, i was watching a teen show ( i dont know why ) where they were actually saying things like "LOL'S" and "OMG" it seems in some places to have crossed over into spoken word !

Jaime - posted on 06/06/2010

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English is a borrowed language to begin with...being derivatives of Greek, Latin, and I'm certain many other languages. I think that, as much as it's frustrating to hear slang spoken or see slang terms embedded in the dictionary, it's inevitable. I think slang terms, text language, computer language and the like are all a sign of the times and what's to come.

English is such a diverse and universal language that it's difficult to stop the evolution of such an easily-modified vocabulary.

Caitlin - posted on 06/06/2010

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It bugs me to no end! I had a teaching assistant in University use this at times (he couldn't spell either). I've had university professors write in essay guidelines that it is not acceptable to use text speak. That means people have done it! *sigh*. I want to teach english and I dread what kind of students i'm going to have..

Lucy - posted on 06/06/2010

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I think that although text speak is not appropriate in some situations, it is not intended for the spoken word or formal writing, I am fascinated by the evolution of language.

I find it quite strange that, at this point in time, we believe there to be a "standard" English language, which I suppose is largely because of the advent of the dictionary and thesaurus, because up to about 300 years ago language was fluid and constantly changing. There were no set spellings for words, anyone could make up a new one and there have even been letters found where the same word is spelt differently several times! Sometimes including the author's own name!

As an Englishwoman I love the fact that my language is moulded and formed by all the different cultures that have invaded our islands or settled here. Our poets have a multitude of beautiful words with which to express themselves, and I hate the idea that this evolution should be curbed just so that it is easier for teachers (I am one, before the teachers get mad!) to mark exam papers.

Even though many of my peers bemoan the advent of "americanisms", I am equally fascinated by the unfolding of English as the native tongue of younger nations, and the variations that occur. You can often tell whether a poster on COM is British, Canadian, American, Australian etc by their choice of words and sentence construction!

As for Shakespeare, his works (wonderful as they are) are actually not a typical example of the general written or spoken language of the time. Compared to his peers in the arts, old Will had a real taste for flowery language, deliberately heightened for dramatic effect. If you take a look at the plays of Jonson or Marlowe, for example, you will see language much closer to the English we recognise today, not a "hey nonny nonny" to be found! Shakespeare was also prone to making up new words if those available didn't fit into his rhyme scheme or iambic pentameter, as well as abbreviating left right and centre.

So, as something of a language maverick, I'm not so sure Shakespeare would be as horrified by modern English as you might think. I rather think he would be as fascinated by it as I am!

Joanna - posted on 06/06/2010

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I Can't believe text talk is allowed on school work. Disgusting. Hopefully not in an English class, or I'd have a heart attack. I hate it. I hate going to forums and seeing posts in "OMG LiKE DeRS DiS GUY i LYKE LOLS SO WAT i DO? KTHXBAI!!!!"

My head just wants to explode.

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I had a serious discussion with my fourth graders about this. I hit writing HARD during the second semester. I assigned a different type of paper a week, and we went through the entire writing process from outlining, rough draft, proofreading and editing and final draft. I was very proud of their writing accomplishments, except some kids were still confusing slang with proper English. So we had a lesson on it. Now y'all, we live in the South so there are a lot of colloquialisms we talked about. "Fixin to" "ain't" among other things. I asked them if they would talk the same way on the playground and with the principal. "NO!" was the consensus. I said, "That's right. And you won't hear me speaking in slang when I'm teaching, because this is my job, and I need to be proper. Have you ever heard me say 'ain't' in this classroom?" The response was a resounding "YES!" Sigh. I was caught.

Jocelyn - posted on 06/06/2010

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Amie, you wrote out my thoughts exactly!
"Text" is not a form of English, it is slang, plain and simple. I find it absolutely disgusting that some teachers/schools are allowing it.
Yeah I use "text" talk (but even then not a whole hell of a lot of it) , when I'm TEXTING!!! Never in real life would you ever catch me saying " blah blah blah O M G! " (which I've heard!) or writing an English paper using anything but the proper words/spelling.
Texting is not evolution. It is the younger generation being lazy idiots (and this is coming from a member of said generation).
It's really sad. If my children ever come home from school with a note saying they wrote their paper in text, you better bet that I will smack them upside the head with a dictionary!

Amie - posted on 06/06/2010

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Oh my. Our rough drafts had to be prepared properly still, with references given. Once it was given the ok, we edited what we needed too and typed it up so it was neat. I wonder if that's still the same or if my teachers were just hard asses. LOL!

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Well, it was a rough draft, not a final copy!!! I hate saying this phrase, but that mom was kind that falls under the category of "white trash" and I doubt she completed high school herself. This was when I had the girl in 8th grade. I later ran into the student. 17 years old with a baby, working on her GED, trying to get a part-time job and receiving govt assistance. Nice to know that my tax paying money goes to someone who can sort of use proper TEXT grammar @@. Ya know, there is a reason why American students are the ridicule of the global world and why we are ranked so low in comparison to so many other countries.

Amie - posted on 06/06/2010

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Sharon that is absolutely horrifying that a parent would be ok with text lingo on reports or tests. =|

Amie - posted on 06/06/2010

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The way I see it is that we are still speaking proper English for our time, just as Shakespeare was speaking proper English for his time.

That's evolution. Text speech is not evolution, it's slang. I have no doubt some slang (and swear words) can become part of proper language as years go on. That would be evolution. HOWEVER they must be spelled properly. Nothing irritates me more than misspelling on purpose. It's lazy and makes a person look stupid. When you're texting or IMing its one thing but to allow it in schools?! Unacceptable.. I'm sending my children to school to get an education not to learn to butcher the English language because a teacher is too lazy to enforce that the students write properly. When I was in school we had slang and short form words too, we weren't allowed to use them. Heaven help those that are allowed too, how is that benefiting their futures? Are they going to text or IM only throughout their lives?

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Oh, and I get to teach Shakespeare this year, which I admit I'm fuzzy on and need to relearn the content!

Sharon - posted on 06/06/2010

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I've said it before, I don't let my kids "text speak". Only my oldest actually has a cell phone but they pick it up from other kids.

Think about all the slang we used as teens. how much of it actually stuck and made it into the dictionary?

Verily, grammercy, aroint, perchance, were slowly phased out as new people from different cultures moved in and new words/phrases were accepted in their place.

I still use perchance, like sarah, and I still use wench. Allowing the use of text speak in highschool homework and tests is stupid. Most of those kids don't know the proper words.

I STILL cannot believe my 10 yr olds teacher told me "I don't worry so much about spelling, I can usually figure out what word they wanted." omfg really????? Setting MY kid up for a life as a burger flipper? I don't fkn think so.

Charlie - posted on 06/06/2010

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Well we dont know that yet as text speak is relatively new , when 30 year olds were teens they didn't have text talk and mobile phones were rare at school , a luxury , speaking to my 30 year old fiance he cannot recall anyone owning a phone at his high school , so we cant really use them as examples.

However its evident from the amount of young adults (early twenties ) and younger and those considered the children of the technology age that those who have used text talk in every day writing are still doing so years later , technology is only growing into a bigger form of communication and the youth of today are the ones who are at the forefront of using all technological forms as a way to communicate .

Louise - posted on 06/06/2010

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No I think our teenagers reach a point that they want to speak like adults and drop the slang to join the real world. How many 30 somethings do you know that speak like teenagers? None or not many we all realise that we have to grow up, and to be listened to we need to talk so that we can be understood!

Sarah - posted on 06/06/2010

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I still say "perchance" !!!!
I think it's crazy to let kids answer exams in text lingo!
I'm not completely anti text lingo or anything, but i really think we should try our best to maintain the English Language in all it's glory!

Fare thee well!!!!!! :)

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