Pageants

Joanna - posted on 05/17/2010 ( 30 moms have responded )

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I saw a post in another group about babies/children in pageants and was wondering what every here thought about them because I know it can be a somewhat hot topic.

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Charlie - posted on 05/18/2010

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I dont think i would have as much of a problem with natural pageants , some kids actually love the showman ship , i have a friend whos 6 year old has been modeling for retail giant Myer for a couple of years now , he LOVES it , he is such a natural born performer and always looks forward to his next runway gig or photo shoot , he is always putting on shows for us at home , his mum is so not a "show mummy" or even into clothes or modeling its just something he has always been interested in and when he was scouted she thought why not , if he likes it he can do it if he doesn't then we wont continue , well obviously he loves it and they stayed .

I think any child forced into anything can affect them in a bad way however the over exaggerated glitz pageants are just horrible , making a child up to the extent that she has more make up on than a transvestite clown is gross , fake tanning a child is gross , using enough hairspray in their hair to crate a new hole in the ozone , GROSS .

I think a natural pageant says " hey i look good naturally without having to be a complete fake " and thats not such bad thing , as long as they teach their children that there are other things about them that make them good people other than just looks than natural sounds like it could be fun for willing children who have that natural need to perform .

Iris - posted on 05/18/2010

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No never!
I have been asked so many times why I don't put my daughters into beauty pageants. Because I don't want them to think that beauty is all that matters (not to mention some of the freak shows out there). I want them to grow up focusing on more important things in life, like knowledge, personal goals and qualities. The world of pageant is so superficial.

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Ez - posted on 05/20/2010

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I would never allow my daughter to do either, but can concede the natural pageants are less atrocious than the glitz competitions. Like the other Aussies, I'm so glad pageants haven't yet become popular here.



I have been approached twice by modelling scouts, asking me to sign my daughter up, and both times I have politely declined. Yes, she's gorgeous, but she's also funny and strong and charismatic and smart! Heaping praise and attention on her for her looks alone is simply not the message I want to send her.

Megan - posted on 05/20/2010

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I do not like them. My little girl will never be in them. There are much better ways that actually help with self esteem, self worth etc as opposed to making them feel they are not worth it or pretty enough based on what some strangers say.

Becky - posted on 05/19/2010

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Nope, I don't like them. I don't like the idea of little girls being judged on their looks. It just perpetuates the image of women as objects, IMO. I really don't like seeing all that make-up and stuff on little tiny girls. I know a girl who has her 2 year old in glitz pageants - she's been entering her in them since before she was 2 - and the pictures are just creepy. She looks fake. Every time I see her pictures, I just think of Jon Benet Ramsey and shudder.
I also don't like the attitude of a lot of pageant parents. It's like they feel their child has to be the best, regardless of the cost. This same person has entered her child in pageants even when she was really sick. A 2 year old! That just makes me sick!

Lucy - posted on 05/19/2010

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I just wanted to add that the older girls being expected to involve themselves in community service and demonstrate good values doesn't make it okay to me. However well rounded they may be, no girl will make it far in these contests unless they are also physically beautiful. It sends the message that depth and strength of character is only valued if it comes wrapped in a pretty package.

Lucy - posted on 05/19/2010

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Yuck. I think that just about sums up my feelings about them!

I don't loathe the so called "Natural" pageants quite so much as the glitzier ones, but to me the message is pretty similar- your physical appearance (whether ridiculously enhanced or not) is what is important. That is not what I want my kids to grow up with.

I'm all for applauding kids for showing off their hard earned skills on the sports field, acting on stage, playing an instrument in a concert or debating in a competition, but just for walking up and down looking nice? Nope. The idea that you can coast through life on your looks alone gives odd priorities and creates rather boring, shallow people.

Hannah - posted on 05/19/2010

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I would never do it because it is too darn expensive. I can't believe the amount of money these parents spend on tanning, hair, make-up, dresses etc... UGH! That is nutso! I want to put my daughter in dance and things of that nature. Expensive enough in its own right.

Rosie - posted on 05/19/2010

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i think the glitzy ones are horrid, and the natural ones are a bit better IMO. but i do agree that they are still judging a girl on her looks, and that is very hurtful to a young girl. i know when i was younger it hurt alot when people would just slying say things about my sisters appearance, and then not say how good i looked. sure they didn't tell me i was fugly but to seperate it like that really hurt. i think pageants are icky all around.

Lindsay - posted on 05/19/2010

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Ok, I'm going to come from a little different angle here. I did a few local "natural" pageants when I was 5-7ish. They were fun. The dress was typically fairly casual like a sundress or something of that sort. There wasn't any "performing" as far as dance routines or anything like that. Basically, we would walk up on stage, they would ask a few generic questions about your favorite activity or your pets or friends, then you would walk across and "model" your outfit. The winner was typically whoever spoke up and answered the questions clearly and just basically showed confidence on the stage. To this day, I can speak in front of people without much problem or nervousness. Whether or not that contributed to how I am now, I really don't know. But either way, it didn't scar me.



At the local fair each year, they have a "Miss Teen (insert county)" pageant. The girls are 13-16 and there is a big focus on community service and high values. I think it could be a very positive thing for young teenage girls because it puts a positive influence on doing good things, helping others, and being a good role model to other girls. Of course they judge on looks as well but I think it could be a positive experience.



On the other hand, I think too much of anything can turn bad, quick. I absolutely think that the "glitz" pageants are totally wrong. There's no need to have to tan and make-up a little girl. I also think that once a girl no longer desires to do one they shouldn't have to. In my opinion there's a world of difference between the glitz and natural pageants and it basically takes something that could be innocent and fun to an entire level of innapropriateness.



For my daughter, she has seen the show on TV and has asked to do one. More than anything, I think she just wants one of those gawdy dresses. She is VERY prissy and has always shown concern for her looks so I have decided not to let her in one. She's got the looks and the confidence already so we have decided to try sports instead. I'm just hoping it will balance out.



With the shows, you will always see the extremes because that's what brings in the ratings and the money. But I think it's safe to say that most pageants aren't even on the same caliber as these shows present.

Johnny - posted on 05/19/2010

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I'm not a fan and would never consider putting my daughter in either glitz or natural pageants. But I'm glad that they exist so that I can watch Toddlers and Tiaras and feel superior, lol.

Joanna - posted on 05/18/2010

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I just don't like the idea on people judging children. I know in life there are always winners and losers, and they teach that in sports (well, some places still award every child a trophy), so of course pageants would be the same way... but judging based on appearance is something they shouldn't have to deal with so young (or at all, even though we all know it happens eventually).

Carolee - posted on 05/18/2010

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I won't do it because I keep thinking... what if I have another child, and that child ends up being 'not as pretty' as the one(s) in the pagents? I've been the 'ugly' sibling... it sucks!

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I don't think natural pageants are as bad, but they still promote praising a little girl for her outward appearance. I know they do dancing and other stuff that is not directly related to looks, but it's still all about conforming to an image of what the world thinks a perfect little girl should be.

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Okay, I see a lot of people mentioning the "glitz pageants" with all the makeup and fake tans and slutty outfits.

How does everyone feel about "natural pageants?" The girls are not allowed to wear make up of any kind or have any kind of product in their hair. The clothes they wear is "Sunday best". Do you have as much of a problem with those kinds of pageants?

Personally, I wouldn't put my daughter in either one. My four year old niece does the "natural pageants" and wins. She's being raised with good manners and morals, but she is also very prissy and focused on pretty clothes. I know that many girls are naturally drawn to these things, but I have to wonder if her focus on it is a little unnatural and forced. I mean she's a sweet girl, and I love her to death. But I wonder if it's having some kind of affect on her.

Thoughts on the "natural pageants?"

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There is something disturbing about these pageants and the parents who enter their children into them. Little girls all spray tanned, make up that would look more at home on a Vegas show-girl, hair pieces, fake teeth and dance moves that would make your granny blush... I have watched Toddlers and Tiaras many times and I shake my head at the attitudes from most of the Mums and the little girls are following their example. They all could use a bit of a reality check.

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I don't like them. I don't like the values they promote and I don't like how some of the girls are dressed. Some of them look slutty and ridiculous.

Jodi - posted on 05/18/2010

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I think my point was what we are teaching our children by making them think they must look this way or that to be rewarded in life. I have an issue with the shallowness of it all. I know they do talent contests, etc, but when it all comes down to it, these children are being marketed very much based on how they look, and that includes the dress, the tan and the makeup. It's all wrong.

LaCi - posted on 05/18/2010

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I don't think pageants are the problem with the kids who think they can get by on their looks, I think that's something to be blamed on the parents. Baseball doesn't make a kid think he/she can get by on his/her athletic ability alone, parents are to blame for those attitudes. Putting too much emphasis on any activity your child is taking part in can cause this type of attitude. I don't dislike pageants because of the beauty contest aspects, I only dislike them because of the way they force the girls (usually not always) to dress and tan and wear buttloads of makeup. I just think it's kind of gross to paint your children all the time and make them look like adults.

Jodi - posted on 05/18/2010

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No, I'm not a fan. At least they don't seem to be popular in Australia. I'd hate to see them become a trend here.



I think the closest I am aware of a young girl who emulates the pageant attitude is a young girl Taylah goes to school with. A 5 year old who checks the other girls lunches and tells them they will get fat if they eat that and never finishes her own lunch (seriously, my daughter takes a healthy lunch). The same little girl tells the other girls she doesn't need to be smart or good at school because she will "get by" on her looks. I'm not kidding (I wish I were). Sad, very sad. I wonder where those things came from?

Caitlin - posted on 05/18/2010

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My sister in law has 2 gorgeous girls, and she did child modeling with them (for clothes) and just from that they KNOW they are gorgeous and they have an attitude to match. She stopped doing it with them because she saw this, (it was them that wanted to do it anyways). I would never do it. I think my girl is the cutest thing out there (don't most moms) but i'm going to keep the cuteness for me and me alone. She's got so much to learn about this world, I don't want it to be about body image to start with!

LaCi - posted on 05/18/2010

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I actually considered putting my son in pageants. The boys seem to just prance around in their little suits. If I had a daughter I wouldn't consider it unless she was older and asked to do it. But hey, if they want to give my son scholarships or prizes for walking around in a miniature tuxedo, I wouldn't care.

Louise - posted on 05/18/2010

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As a British person I think it is a form of abuse to these little girls! What is wrong with letting little girls be little girls as long as possilbe. Let them make mud pies climb trees and have the time of their lives playing in the dirt without a care in the world. I hate really hate to see little four year olds and some younger done up with make up and frilly awful dresses looking like barbie dolls. These girls are going to spend the rest of their lives trying to be perfect instead of joining the real world. You don't have pageants for boys do you? What sort of message is this sending to the girls! Your childhood is so short why make them act like adults when they should be learning to love themselves for who they are, and see and learn about the real world around them. Should be stopped to protect the innocent!

Krista - posted on 05/18/2010

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Nope. It focuses on all the wrong things. A talent show? I could get behind that. A public speaking competition? I'm all for those. But that superficial focus on appearance and "poise"? Nuh-uh. If I have a girl, I want to shelter her from that kind of crap for as long as i can.

Emma - posted on 05/17/2010

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Hate them as far as i can tell its the mothers thing and these little girls get made to do it i watched a documentary and there was one mother i wanted to slap upside the head her daughter looked so miserable,
I cant see anything good coming from them.

Nikki - posted on 05/17/2010

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I hate them, I think they are cruel and basically mother's living vicariously through their children. I think it objectifies little girls and could affect their self esteem. Not to mention the fact that I couldn't sit there watching my daughter parading around in a bikini with a face full of make up without thinking I wonder which guys here are enjoying this a little more than they should. I just don't see the appeal in dressing little girls up to look like 20 year olds, let them be little girls, it's so sad.

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Nope! I won't do it.



My sister in law keeps bugging me to put my little one in a pageant. Her 4 year old does them and wins! She only does the "natural pageants" with no make-up and regular dress clothes. But I still feel it sends the wrong message to little girls about what real beauty is.



Plus it's an unnecessary expense. I'd rather spend the little money we have on more worthwhile activities for my daughter.

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