Paving the way for condoning child rape?

Jenni - posted on 08/26/2011 ( 14 moms have responded )

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There were those who scoffed at my contention that Abercrombie and Fitch, the edgy retailer, was paving the way for mainstream pedophilia when it began marketing breast enhancing bikinis to girls as young as eight.

There were those who railed against my contention that the French edition of Vogue was kindling pedophilia and embracing it with its racy depictions of 10-year-old Thylane Lena-Rose Loubry-Blondeau in heavy makeup, a plunging neckline and stiletto heels.




There were others who suggested that I had a problem with breastfeeding, in general, when I took issue with The Breast Milk Baby, which encourages little girls to wear a vest that has flowers in place of larger nipples and nurse the doll.

But, now, there should be no doubt that our culture is poised to begin embracing pedophilia as a lifestyle choice, just like homosexuality. A group of psychiatrists and other mental health professionals called B4U-Act, which has representatives from Harvard and Johns Hopkins, gathered recently in Baltimore to organize their push to change the negative perception of pedophiles and encourage them to get help in a nonjudgmental environment.

While B4U-Act is not representative of mainstream psychiatry, and while the American Psychiatric Association (APA) did not participate in the group’s meeting, psychiatry has a history of caving into cultural pressure to stop defining controversial illnesses as pathological. You won’t even find ego-dystonic homosexuality—meaning, homosexual impulses that cause an individual to feel distressed and which that individual does not want to give into—in the DSM, anymore.

Some of the goals of B4U-Act are worthwhile. Encouraging pedophiles to seek psychiatric treatment to resist their pathological urges is a good thing, not a bad thing. I wish every pedophile would get help before ever hurting a child. And the group is absolutely right in asserting that some pedophiles—perhaps the vast majority of pedophiles—never actually do commit a crime. They live with their erotic desires for children without ever acting on them.

Dr. Fred Berlin, a Johns Hopkins psychiatrist, bonafide genius, and truly decent person, is quoted on the website of B4U-Act. His treatment protocols for sexual offenders and others with such impulses do indeed vastly reduce the likelihood that such individuals will hurt children, and his efforts are to be lauded.

But what the members of B4U-Act fail to realize is that there are some impulses worth repressing from consciousness—like the impulse to rape children. There are even thoughts worth repressing—like fantasies of having sex with children. When a society stigmatizes certain actions and thoughts—thereby driving them out of mainstream consciousness and into the shadows—that isn’t always a bad thing.

The group also fails to recognize that there are consequences to removing all moral judgment from a profession. Psychiatry, for example, has become hostile to suggesting that alcoholics are actually choosing their drug over their families and jobs and other responsibilities—and that making that choice is morally reprehensible. Why isn’t it all right for psychiatrists to take a hard line against pedophilia and see it for what it is: a desire to violate and injure children that is both pathological and morally reprehensible and to be resisted by every means possible?

I’ve told more than one of my patients that his real diagnosis, given his behavior in embracing drugs, instead of his family or employment, shouldn’t be alcohol dependence or heroin dependence, but “scumbag.” And I then have quickly added that they can do better than that—that they must choose to do better than that, because, deep inside, they are good and decent and lovable. I tell them they can find the courage to do the right thing, instead of the wrong thing. Yes, I sometimes use the word “wrong.” I judge them. It helps.

I would not hesitate to tell a pedophile that his desires are to injure and torture a child—that they are morally wrong—and that it is his responsibility to ferret out the source of those destructive desires and extinguish them. I wouldn’t for a moment commiserate about how hard it is to live in a society that criminalizes the acts he is moved to commit.

Suggesting to pedophiles that their thoughts and impulses are “understandable” and that they won’t be judged by the members of B4U-Act is the kind of message that encourages them to push harder to change what they think of as unfair laws that keep them from their base desires.

I hate to say I told you so, but . . . well . . . OK, I won’t.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/08/25...




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Yeah...not seeing it. A small group of individuals who are trying to change the views of pedophilia doesn't exactly equate to "no doubt that our culture is poised to begin embracing pedophilia as a lifestyle choice." Not seeing a lot of support out there in the world for pedophilia, in any circles. I agree that it's just an attempt to flame anti-gay hysteria by using pedophilia as the gasoline.

Jenni - posted on 08/26/2011

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It's fox news, big surprise they're using pedophilia as fear-mongering to push their anti-gay agenda.

Allowing gays to get married is going to pave the path for pedophillia and beastiality to be socially acceptable! Here's some obscure psychologist movement that's treating pedophilia like an addiction (in order to treat it) to prove it!
Told ya so!
I call BULLSHIT. Same record, different tune.

See the difference is, and why things like pedophilla and beastiality will NEVER be socially acceptable is because they are acts committed on non-consensual parties. DUH. They are crimes because they are unwarrented, unwanted acts on children and animals. UNLIKE homosexuality which is between two consensual adults. Morons.

But if Fox News can spin it, they will!

I love this quote (sarcasm): "psychiatry has a history of caving into cultural pressure to stop defining controversial illnesses as pathological. You won’t even find ego-dystonic homosexuality—meaning, homosexual impulses that cause an individual to feel distressed and which that individual does not want to give into—in the DSM, anymore."

Translation- Those gays don't even feel guilty anymore, they have this thing called Gay Pride. So let's squash that pride by comparing them to child rapists! Yah!
That'll teach 'em.

I also like the use of term "gay impulses". I have an "impulse" to give Dr. Keith 'Ablow' to the head.

Just because you don't give into your gay 'impulses' doesn't turn you straight. Anymore than not giving heterosexual 'impulses' turns you gay.

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i don't think that society will,or should, accept pedophilia. I do think that the psychiatrist who wrote this is out of line. people with problems severe enough to need a shrink don't need to be judged. pedophiles inparticular don't need to be judged by them as they are few other places, if any, where they can go to seek help. even among criminals (murderers, other sex offenders) pedophiles are at the bottom of the food chain and often have to serve their sentences in solitary because if they were put in the general population they would be killed. they need help because something caused them to think like that and have urges to molest children. whose to say they themselves were not molested as children and that is why they came to have these thoughts. we don't know why pedophiles are pedophiles but telling them it is their responsibility to fix it, when they clearly have not been able to control their thoughts and urges, or else they wouldn't be seeing a shrink for help, is irresponsible. it is a psychiatrists responsibility to help people who clearly can't help themselves and i don't think there is anything wrong with what the B4U-Act is trying to do

JuLeah - posted on 08/26/2011

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I say ....



Your lack of understanding is mind boggling and leaves me speachless ... well, until I saw the foxnews.com tag ... now your words are clear ... but your lack of real understanding is still mind boggling



Can you even believe this part: "I’ve told more than one of my patients that his real diagnosis, given his behavior in embracing drugs, instead of his family or employment, shouldn’t be alcohol dependence or heroin dependence, but “scumbag.” "





This mind set is why we have such issues. Pedophilia

has always been ... and as long as we have such thinkers, will always be

Becky - posted on 08/26/2011

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Wait, maybe it's because I don't watch Fox news, but aside from the one line about ego-dystonic homosexuality no longer being included in the DSM, (which I didn't read the way you did, obviously), I don't get what this has to do with homosexuality. It's about pedophilia and a group who are trying to remove the social stigma around it. And personally, I disagree with removing the stigma around pedophilia. It is wrong, plain and simple, and it should be stigmatized! And pedophiles who act on their desires should be.... well, I won't go there.

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it can't be used as an excuse, but it can help to understand why they might have these thoughts. and there are some people with stronger self control then others. i don't think that pedophiles should be allowed to walk free or that they should go about thinking that their thoughts are normal, just that with everyone hating them and thinking they are so awful, they should have at least one place to go and get help without judgement.

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Yes they would be killed in prison... among other things that would happen to them long before death, because what they do is absolutly discusting and wrong. I agree they should seek help, but to say they cant control their urges is also ridiculous... everybody gets urges and thoughts, its called control. If they know its wrong but continue to do it, they want to do it.

And saying maybe it happened to them as a child is understandable to a point, but that cant be used as an excuse forever.

Stifler's - posted on 08/27/2011

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It's so annoying when homosexual and paedophilia are used in the same sentence. And "a lifestyle choice"... as if people choose to be gay. Last I checked there have been male paedophiles who target female victims. It really gets up my goat. And I'm not even gay.

Jenni - posted on 08/27/2011

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It was also brought to my attention the use of terms "Lifestyle", "choice", "gay impulses" and comparing those terms to pedophilia. Obvious terminology of the anti-gay movement, along with the source being Fox News. I think this article is less about pedophiles and more about pushing their anti gay marriage agenda.

There is a big difference between something like homosexuality between two consensual adults, that harms no one. And pedophilia which has victims. Something that is greatly harmful to people will never *be* socially acceptable. No matter how much mainstream media tries to sell sex(y) to children. There will never be a time we live in where parents believe it's totally cool for someone to molest their child. There will never be a time where a molested child grows up undamaged from the assault.

The *only* reason homosexuality is becoming socially acceptable is because we're finally understanding that it harms no one. That the only reason it has been frowned upon in the past is because of some obscure scripture in thousand year old texts. That there are no victims of homosexuality because the participants are willing adults.

Oral and anal sex were at one time forbidden. But again, they harm no one. There are no victims. What two consensual adults do in their bedroom is nobody's business.

You are born straight, others are born gay, and the majority falls somewhere inbetween. You are not BORN a pedophile... typically, pedophiles have suffered sexual abuse themselves in the past and they continue the cycle of *abuse*.
a·buse (-byz)
tr.v. a·bused, a·bus·ing, a·bus·es
1. To use wrongly or improperly; misuse: abuse alcohol; abuse a privilege.
2. To hurt or injure by maltreatment; ill-use.
3. To force sexual activity on; rape or molest.
4. To assail with contemptuous, coarse, or insulting words; revile.
5. Obsolete To deceive or trick.

None of these things apply to homosexuals... but they do apply to pedophiles. Abuse will never be socially acceptable.

Rosie - posted on 08/27/2011

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OMG, i was going to start a convo on this too, lol.

i think i'm rather confused, by it actually. i can see the point. science isn't about morality, it's about science. so if science can prove that these people are hardwired this way then...well, it makes sense to me.

however, obviously pedophilia is COMPLETELY different than pedophilia. pedophilia has a victim, a nonconsenting CHILD who will be scarred the rest of their life. homosexuality has no victim, it's about love, and has NO comparison to pedophilia.

obviously, it's great for homophobes to say see-look at this. disgusting. i wish people would use their brain sometimes.

this is the article i was going to use, it is not fox news worthy, but rather written by the wife of some psychiatrist who writes books on how to turn gays straight. http://www.narth.com/docs/debatecontinue...

Amanda - posted on 08/27/2011

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Now that I am past the shock of comparing homosexuals to pedohiles, I can actually say what I feel about the article.



I dont think the article is saying they want to take away the stigma with pedophilia in the general public, only in the mental health areas so that these people feel they can get help. I dont see how this condoning child rape. There should be ZERO stigma in the mental health for any mental issue period. For a shrink to tell an addict a scumbag, is out of line, and this person should lose their licence. Though I am not a fan of todays PC views, one place a person should not be judged is while they are trying to get help for their issues in what is suppose to be a safe place for the person to express themselves.

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