"Plan B"

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What are your thoughts on the 'morning after pill'? We obviously have the right to purchase it even without perscription now but where do you stand morally. Wrong or right?

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LaCi - posted on 09/13/2010

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"When it states that it prevents a FERTILIZED egg from implanting in the uterus or sometimes instead will prevent a FERTILIZED egg from being released.. Yes, that is terminating.

And no, not all birth control acts the way the Plan B does."

Implanon: works in three ways, one of which is "The hormone also thins the lining of the uterus. In theory, this could prevent pregnancy by keeping a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus."

The patch: Also in 3 ways "The hormones also thin the lining of the uterus. In theory, this could prevent pregnancy by keeping a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus"

The shot: here it is again "The hormone also thins the lining of the uterus. In theory, this could prevent pregnancy by keeping a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus."

The ring: "The hormones also thin the lining of the uterus. In theory, this could prevent pregnancy by keeping a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus."

The pill: "The hormones also thin the lining of the uterus. In theory, this could prevent pregnancy by keeping a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus."

So basically, if you're using a hormonal method of birth control, the possibility exists that it will prevent a fertilized egg from implanting. It is working in the same way as birth control, it is a higher dose. You can also take certain combinations of most birth control pills to achieve the same effect, you can find a list on princeton's website. the information on how EC works is the same as how the pill works, there's just a higher likelihood that the first two methods for pregnancy prevention have already passed the time limit, increasing your odds of the third method.

EC "The hormone in the morning-after pill works by keeping a woman's ovaries from releasing eggs — ovulation. Pregnancy cannot happen if there is no egg to join with sperm. The hormone in the morning-after pill also prevents pregnancy by thickening a woman's cervical mucus. The mucus blocks sperm and keeps it from joining with an egg.

The hormone also thins the lining of the uterus. In theory, this could prevent pregnancy by keeping a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterus."

Exactly the same info as all other hormonal methods of birth control that I'm aware of.

Amie - posted on 09/13/2010

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So Christina you're not taking any type of BC then? Otherwise, by your thinking, you just may be aborting each month and not knowing it.

BC works in much the same way as the morning after pill. It prevents a pregnancy, it does not terminate one. Just as BC prevents pregnancies each month for millions of women.

Along the same lines then, how do you feel about people going the invitro route who decide to destroy their unused embryos? Are they, in your mind, committing some kind of out of body abortion by destroying those embryos that have potential for life but, again, are not considered a pregnancy because they have not been implanted in the uterus?

To have an abortion, there first must be a viable pregnancy. Preventing an embryo from implanting, thus never causing a pregnancy, is not abortion. It's prevention.

Krista - posted on 09/13/2010

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We've got two different definitions, though. We've got the definition of "life", and we've got the definition of "pregnancy".



I don't think it's unreasonable to think that actual, human life begins when sperm meets egg and creates blasocyst (sp?)



HOWEVER, that does not change the fact that the medical definition of PREGNANCY is when the fertilized egg implants into the wall of the uterus. You could have twenty fertilized eggs floating around your lady-bits, and each one of them is as alive as can be -- but until one of them latches on to your uterus, enabling it to actually obtain nourishment and you know, GROW into a baby? Not pregnant. Not 'till then.



So that is why, IF hormonal birth control prevents a fertilized egg from implanting, it is considered the PREVENTION of a pregnancy, not the termination of one.

Dana - posted on 09/13/2010

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So Christina, it's possible that God didn't really want us to get pregnant, created the man who invented the plan B pill and made sure we were able to access it. :)

Sara - posted on 09/14/2010

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"And Sara, that may be what YOU believe. I believe that life begins at conception. If you don't believe that, that's fine. I do, so don't try to tell me anything different, please."



Actually, that's not just what I believe. That's the scientific definition of pregnancy, so a lot of people believe this. You can do what ever you feel is right for yourself, obviously, but you're trying to make an argument that when the egg and sperm meet that means your pregnant, and I'm just stating that is not the widely accepted model of conception. Just sayin'....

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Janessa - posted on 09/23/2010

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I have no problem with plan B. I took it myself few times or more times. The morning after pill has been around for a long time in canada. I remember i had to ask the pharmacist for it but we never need doctors aproval.

Becky - posted on 09/23/2010

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Very true, Kate, good point. You're right, there are other OTC medications out there that are just as risky, or more so. I don't like taking hormonal birth control personally - not for any moral reason - I just don't like the potential side effects and long-term effects (increased risk of breast cancer, blood clots, etc.) I don't use it for pregnancy prevention for that reason, but have used it in the past for management of PCOS, because the effects of that were worse than the treatment!
I have no objection to anyone else taking it, just don't like to take it myself.

Kate CP - posted on 09/23/2010

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Cytotec and RU486 are abortions in pill-form. NOT plan B. People are dumb. :(

Charlene - posted on 09/23/2010

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Wellll, don't I wish I had been a part of this thread from the start. Curses to my lack of a computer. :@

Anyway, I am for anything that helps prevent an unwanted pregnancy. I am happy that it's available without a prescription and I see nothing morally wrong with it.

Oddly enough, I overheard a couple of girls discussing it the other day and one of them said she would never take it because it was 'abortion in pill form'. It's not like an abortion.. people need to get their heads out of the sand and educate themselves on what Plan B actually does.

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I agree, I'm glad they finally made it available over the counter. I think they need to advertise A LOT more and hopefully we can cut down the number of ACTUAL abortions.

Kate CP - posted on 09/22/2010

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Becky: The same can be said for cough suppressants and nasal decongestants. Every drug has the potential for abuse and a risk of side effects, but I don't think that means they all need to be prescription only.

Becky - posted on 09/22/2010

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I don't have a moral problem with the morning after pill, because like everyone else has said, it only prevents pregnancy, not terminates it. Plus, I don't really believe it's morally wrong to terminate a pregnancy if you don't know you're pregnant. If that makes any sense.
I do have a little bit of a problem with it being available OTC without a prescription though. I can see the good in that, but, for some women, hormonal birth control is dangerous and can have serious side effects. I'm sure it'd be unlikely to harm someone if only used once, but, some women will be irresponsible and use it as their regular birth control, and that could have serious implications. So that makes me wary of someone being able to access it multiple times without any supervision from a doctor.
Other forms of hormonal birth control aren't available OTC, are they? (It's been a long time since I've been on the pill, so I don't know!)

Charlie - posted on 09/22/2010

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Morning after pill is just a super dose of the everyday contraceptive pill so if you are against the morning after pill you are against contraceptive pills .

I am all for contraception .

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"I Agree With A Lot Of These Mothers. I've Used It Once. I'm 100% For It. I Used A Condom And It Ended Up Breaking. I Have A Son Of 22 Months.. I'm Not Ready For Another One Just Yet. Like One Said Below: It's Preventing A Pregnancy, Not Ending One." ~ Rebeka

Can I ask WHY you capitalize every word? LMAO!

Rosie - posted on 09/22/2010

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um, christina you do realize that the link you posted were comments to the question posed, by regular people-not professionals, right? looking at this site itself can tell you how idiotic everyday people are when it comes to the ins and outs of the scientific aspect of baby makin'.

ME - posted on 09/22/2010

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That is what they typically argue, Laura...it's the only REAL prolife position (according to them)...the Catholic Church teaches that both are a form of murder...

Isobel - posted on 09/22/2010

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sooooo...are the pro-lifers here suggesting that in a perfect world abortions AND the pill would be illegal???

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I never used it but wasn't offended by friends who did, I think it's a choice we all have the right to make.

Rebeka - posted on 09/22/2010

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I Agree With A Lot Of These Mothers. I've Used It Once. I'm 100% For It. I Used A Condom And It Ended Up Breaking. I Have A Son Of 22 Months.. I'm Not Ready For Another One Just Yet. Like One Said Below: It's Preventing A Pregnancy, Not Ending One.

Kate CP - posted on 09/15/2010

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Well, I believe Wiki is wrong. According to the mayo clinic...
"The life span of sperm after ejaculation depends on the environmental conditions. Sperm ejaculated into a woman's vagina can live in a woman's reproductive tract for up to five days or perhaps even longer. Fertilization is possible as long as the sperm remain alive. Sperm ejaculated outside the body may survive only minutes to a few hours."

Other sources have said that average life span of sperm inside a woman's body is 2 days and that five days and up is rare. However, that does not cover the topic of whether or not a fertilized egg does implant. It is very common for a woman who's not on ANY type of birth control to pass a fertilized egg simply because the uterine conditions weren't "perfect" for a developing pregnancy. These pregnancies are almost NEVER detected as the eggs never attaches to the uterine lining. It's not a pregnancy. It's a group of cells being flushed out through vaginal secretions.

Kate CP - posted on 09/15/2010

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"Freak sperm"...I'm seeing this weird sperm with buck teeth, bug eyes, and green horns...

Katherine - posted on 09/15/2010

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@Christina,the sperm would be dead in 10 hours. It's takes them 2 hours to swim to the egg. In the reproductive organs,they stay alive for a maximum of 5 days. Anything after that, they are freak sperm.

Jodi - posted on 09/15/2010

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"So according to Christina's definition of pregnancy I've been pregnant probably around 20 times and miscarried 18 of them. That's a depressing thought."

Depends which way you look at it. I'd be having more depressing thoughts if I'd had those 18 extra babies.......possibly even suicidal if we got right down to it :P

Kate CP - posted on 09/15/2010

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Aaaah...selective hearing. Or would it be selective reading since it's online?

Dana - posted on 09/15/2010

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Girls, these points have been made several times, it seems she ignores it.

Stifler's - posted on 09/15/2010

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The pregnant for 2 weeks and heavy period thing can happen without being on the pill. It's probably happened to me a lot.

Kate CP - posted on 09/15/2010

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So according to Christina's definition of pregnancy I've been pregnant probably around 20 times and miscarried 18 of them. That's a depressing thought.

Jaime - posted on 09/15/2010

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Conception is not viable until the zygote is implanted in the uterus...before that, it's anyone's guess as to whether the fertilized mass will make that journey. If someone objects to Plan B for their own, personal or moral reasons, then so be it. But to suggest that it is wrong for everyone else is absurd. I get to decide if I want to be pregnant or not.

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Christina, you don't want to risk your moral beliefs? Would you vote to have this product illegal or is it just a moral issue for you? Do you consider Plan B (the morning after pill) the equivalent of someone actually having an abortion?

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On what basis do you believe life begins once the sperm fertilizes the egg? Sperm can fertilize several eggs but until they implant, they're NOT considered a pregnancy.

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Christina, I'm curious and because I don't want to be reading back all of the posts, I will just ask you a simple question; are you against this pill for only yourself or for everyone?

C. - posted on 09/15/2010

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Jennifer.. Sometimes it doesn't take long for conception to occur. Just sayin'..



Oh, here's a little tidbit I looked up. It's Wiki, but it gets the point across well.



http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_does_...



Oh, wait.. What's this Cathy? "It can take up to seven days after intercourse for sperm and egg to join and become a fertilized egg. Usually, it's because the sperm gets into the fallopian tube before the egg is released."



BEFORE the egg is released??? You don't say..



"IT TAKES 10 HOURS APPROX. FOR A SPERM OR THE "SPERMS" TO SWIM TOWARDS THE EGG, I'VE SEEN THIS IN DISCOVERY CHANNEL THE "IN THE WOMB" PROGRAM"



So, unless you were taking that pill before the 10 hours.. You COULD very well be having an abortion if you believe life begins at conception. It COULD take days to actually conceive, but it could take only hours as well, depending on the sperm itself.. Not worth risking my moral beliefs, if you ask me.

Jaime - posted on 09/15/2010

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I will try the entire Plan alphabet before having another baby...so yes, I'm definitely in favour of this option.

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I have used the morning after pill once. I was staying at my then boyfriend's now husband and I forgot to take my pill to his house. It was actually my mam who reminded me and advised me to go to the pharmacy for the morning after pill. I don't think it should be used as a reapat type of contraception but in such cases like my own I think that's what it's main function is. I believe life begins at conception and since the morning-after pill prevents conception occuring it should not be consider as abortion.

Karen - posted on 09/15/2010

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i believe it should be available, especially in a day where there is so much promiscuity...educating people has gone out of the window.

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Christina, like Erin said, you can do whatever is right for you and I totally respect that but don't tell anyone that by taking the morning after pill they are in fact aborting a pregnancy because that's just not true. You can spin it however you want, the fact remains that you do not become pregnant UNTIL the fertilized egg implants itself to the uterus. It's NOT abortion, on any level. It's very clearly PREVENTING A PREGNANCY!

Dominique - posted on 09/14/2010

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Definitely not 100% effective. I took it didn't work i still ended up with my beautiful daughter. I'm very much happy that it didn't work I love my daughter very much. I'm for it though... its better than abortion any day.

Tara - posted on 09/14/2010

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@Laura
What about all those poor living sperm who are sent down the toilet or into the trash at the bottom of a used condom?
They surely were alive and by throwing them out you are surely ending their life.
What about the sperm that don't make it past your husbands right hand, aren't they also being killed willingly and their purpose of creating life being cut short?
What about all those eggs that are prevented from being released due to the pill? Anyone on the pill is guilty of killing their eggs.
Murder!!! Hang the men who masturbate and fry the ones who use a condom... it's murder after all!!!!
LMAO...

Stifler's - posted on 09/14/2010

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Christina I hope you don't feel too guilty about that, that can happen when one is not on birth control anyway ♥

C. - posted on 09/14/2010

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It was both, Dana. It was irrelevant information for the topic that was being discussed at the time, that's why I left that out.



Learning that the BC was the reason for my mood swings and other problems (like missing a period then having heavy bleeding, which is why we thought I had a couple miscarriages) was why I quit taking them. Does that clear it up a little?

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