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Johnny - posted on 04/12/2011

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"Economic slavery" is not created by having to work to earn a living to support one's family. It is created in a system that is gravely unequal. Where the wealth is controlled by a tiny percentage of a percentage of the entire population. Where that tiny percentage also controls the political apparatus that makes the rules governing the systems in which they employ us. Where that tiny percentage decides how well we can live, regardless of how hard we work. This is NOT a "free market economy". It is an oligarchy.

When any of us go to the polls, we are generally choosing between governing parties that are beholden to large scale donors with the most money. This applies in most nations. Regardless of whether you vote Democrat or Republican in the US, Liberal or Conservative in Canada, etc, etc, you are voting for people whose positions come as a result of their being supported by those with a great deal of money.

You see all these ridiculous protestors on the left and the right marching around yelling about how the other side has bankrupted the morals and the economy. The fact is, the average person had nothing to do with this, as Sara so humorously pointed out in her last post. Janitors, butchers, office workers, small business owners, public employees, teachers, corporate managers, dentists, etc. had little or no role in this destruction. Working class, middle class, even upper middle class. They are now defined by their complete lack of real power in this political economy.

The difference between the left wing and the right wing is that left wingers know they don't have this power. Right wingers imagine that they are well-off or that they have power or that they have privelege when they're really just the same as the janitor down the street who just had his union busted. The corporate manager putting in every longer days in the office to try to make sure he doesn't get laid off in the next round of cuts is really in only a slightly better position.

It is not the minor inequality between the janitor who is just renting his home and the corporate manager that owns 2 homes that is the real issue here. It is the vast inequaltity between these two workers & all of those who do not hold power, and the few that hold the majority of the wealth and control the actions of the politicians.

Union busting, lowered environmental laws, defunding of public healthcare, destruction of all of the public education systems, and the deregulation of financial industries are all policy moves that are designed to increase the control and wealth of this portion of the population. It creates an uneducated underclass of cheap laborers and a reasonably educated working/middle class to carry the tax burden. The wealth and power flow to the top. The consequences and responsibilities do not.

Johnny - posted on 04/14/2011

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You don't care that the average citizen has lost most of their democratic power upon which your nation was built? It matters little what numbers the masses vote in, they're options have been limited by the power of great wealth interfering with what should have been the power of the people. Those policies we can't control on a grand level are integral to our daily lives, and we are increasingly falling in our ability to have any say in those things.

It is not a bad thing at all to work to support ourselves. That is how it has always been and how it will always be. What is a bad thing is when we work hard and are unable to reap the true rewards of this because the distribution of resources is occurring unequally and we have zero power to alter that at this time.

Those mega-billionaires you don't care about actually do "bother" you. They view you and your relatively well-off status as the key to supporting their wealth. You pay the taxes that they are unwilling to pay. You accept that you don't have the right to have any say over your own country's policies. You have bought into the spin that the poor are responsible for the nations troubles rather than the wealthy. Those just like you who have been satiated with relative wealth and comfort and who have been convinced to blame those less fortunate for the county's woes protect the rich and powerful. You help them greatly in avoiding being forced to account for their actions and thievery.

Do you know who benefits the most from welfare from the state? Corporations and the mega-wealthy. Through subsidies, tax exemptions, government spending on their products particularly in the military-industrial complex. Military spending in the US is not about paying the wages of the average soldier or supplying basic body armor. It's about $200 million/piece fighter jets that have never been utilized in a combat role. It is about finding a way to transfer money from government coffers directly to corporations by purchasing huge amounts of unused military hardware. One of the more perfect ways to give money to these corporations and their shareholders because it is easy to convince the average American citizen to support military spending.

But now that the nation is trillions of dollars in debt, you don't see them questioning the upcoming purchase of more fighter jets for $121 million each. You see them attacking funding of a basic service for less fortunate women that costs the government a fraction of just one fighter jet contract.

So no, there's nothing wrong with being rich or even super rich. But there is something very wrong with taking services away from the average citizen to enrich yourself and paying large amounts of money to politicians to ensure that you control the nation and not the regular folk who make up 95% of the population.

I'm not complaining about not being super wealthy. Frankly, I don't really care. It's never actually appealed to me at all, and I find nothing wrong with being decidedly middle class. I am happy to go to my job, work hard, volunteer in my community, pay my taxes, and look after my family. But I should have the same rights as the guy with homes all over the world, a Maserati in every garage and a private jet to tour him around. But right now I don't. And that bothers me a great deal.

In my case, I was born to a very well-off family. I grew up comfortably in a large home, with nice cars, vacations around the world, and little understanding of what poverty was about. I did have to work to pay for my own things starting in my early teens, our family is very big on work ethic. But I grew up in an upper middle class extended family with all the privileges that entails. And that's the key, it is a PRIVILEGE to be well-off, not a right and certainly not something that anyone should be getting by taking away from other's.

Sara - posted on 04/12/2011

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I was just thinking, remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took billions in TARP money, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?

Oh that is right, they didn't.

Johnny - posted on 04/10/2011

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Well, my crazy conspiracy theory is that they do want to reduce abortion rates. They know that the kids who will be born to people who can not afford birth control or who lack information to prevent pregnancy are more likely to be poor, to end up uneducated and be a cheap labor source in the future. It will be great for these people when America is filled with an enormous surplus of under-educated, extremely low-wage slaves who can't even demand healthcare help or any sort of government services.

Then they can stop employing overseas workers who are beginning to demand higher wages and better benefits. They can return the factories to America and save millions. They will have access to cheap labor, no requirements for environmental regs, occupational health and safety regs or benefit packages. They will be paying a nominal tax rate if that. And they will look like great patriots bringing the jobs home.

If women, particularly poor and disenfranchised women can control their own procreation, it makes it a lot harder to enslave the future.

But I'm just a crazy left wing conspiracy theorist who doesn't even believe that these people care about "life". If they did, you'd see some evidence of it once the abortion cut-off date had past.

Isobel - posted on 04/12/2011

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You obviously don't know what middle class is...the fact that the majority of people are in that tax bracket doesn't make it middle class...middle class is DEFINED as the financial capability to own a home, a car, to take a vacation abroad every year, to pay for your childrens' education without borrowing money...how many janitors do you know who can do that?

If it has nothing to do with abortion, why do the republicans keep yelling about it?

and I meant that the explosion of young single mothers on welfare would be upped by the lack of access to affordable health care, birth control, sexual education, and prenatal care.

Please do tell...if you make one dollar over the limit for health care subsidies...where do you find affordable prenatal care, and health care in general to make sure that your birth control is reliable?

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They don't advertise because they don't have a ton of extra funding for that, like PP does. If you go to your local Department of Health Services, City Hall, Department of Vital Records, Family Court Offices, Welfare Offices, or log on to your state or county's website, you can be directed to the free/reduced clinics. Many are free, most are paid on a sliding scale based on income, depends on your particular state/county policy. All offer all services offered by PP except abortion.



I would assume they are exaggerating their lack of access to these services, or that they have simply not put forth the effort to find out about them. As I said above, PP has millions to spend on advertising, government funded free clinics do not, you have to look for them, but they are there.



PP would NOT close if they lost their federal funding anyway. Saying that they will close and services for the poor will be limited is fear mongering. It is rather a moot point at the moment anyway, is it not? In the passed budget, didn't they get to keep most of their funding?

Rosie - posted on 04/14/2011

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if there are other places to get these services they sure don't advertise around here. planned parenthood is where i went to until i got pregnant with my second child. after that i went to a regular gyno because it was where i went for my prenatal care. from age 15-25 i went to planned parenthood for all of my gynocological services.

Johnny - posted on 04/14/2011

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The problem is Kelly, that you make the assumption that everyone has access to these "redundant services". But you are actually the only person who I have heard state that they do. I have many friends in the Northwest Washington/Seattle area who have been blogging and posting about what will be a complete lack of access in several areas of their region for low-cost family planning and gynecological services. These are not people who are usually concerned with these sorts of things, and some of them are actually quite pro-life. They are very concerned that the unplanned pregnancy rates, abortion rates, and number of abandoned children will be skyrocketing where they live. I've asked about other services in the area, after what you'd said in previous debates. They've answered that in some areas there are none and in others those services are already at capacity.

I've also seen lots of other women on here speak to the lack of non-PP similar services in their communities. So I have to assume that you are exaggerating these other options. Could you steer me to some statistics about these other services that will be replacing PP, their accessibility for the general population, and the amount of capacity they have to take over from PP?

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@ Johnny: "You don't care that the average citizen has lost most of their democratic power upon which your nation was built?"

Of course I am concerned about it, but I don't think redundant funding is a way to remedy it. I see limiting corporate donations as a way to remedy it, or at least begin to. These big corporations control government by their donations, if you lessen the impact their donations can make, you can effectively put power back into the hands of the 95% of Americans that make up the middle class...or the working and middle classes if they need to be separate.

I agree that military spending is out of control. I agree that that budget needs more oversight and accountability. I do not see how funding PP would result in that.

The thing is, I am looking at the whole picture--yes we need to cut military spending; we need to cut spending anywhere we can, and make the dollars we do spend count for as much as they can. Funding PP along with clinics is like buying 2 bottles of ketchup when you only need one. I will say the same thing about buying extra jets when the ones we have work fine. They are both bad.

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@ Laura:
"Please stop exchanging the word "middle class" with "the same as most people" It's NOT middle class. "

Was that directed at me, I was not aware that I was interchanging the terms. My definition of middle class does encompass most people, as only a small percentage are "rich" and only a small percentage are "poor" so the rest are in the middle and that would be "most people". That said, where I wrote "middle class" I meant it.

If I understand you correctly, you consider "working class" a class earning less than "middle class" but more than the "poor"? Is that correct?

The bill proposed years ago would have begun the separation of corporations from government--it was a small step towards a bigger plan to put power back into the hands of the middle classes (including the working class). The fact remains that someone HAS to pay for campaigns. If we did not allow campaign contributions, then the power really would be in the hands of only the super rich because they are the only ones who would be able to afford to run for office. It takes millions of dollars to get enough Americans to vote for you--you have to take a year away from work, travel the country, pay for ads, and a million other little expenses. No one can do it without help. Now, it would be great if we only allowed private contributions, but dems would never allow that.

Isobel - posted on 04/14/2011

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Please stop exchanging the word "middle class" with "the same as most people" It's NOT middle class.



There's nothing wrong with being happy as part of the working class...might as well be, since there's really nothing any of us can do about it.



Just don't fool yourself into thinking it's fair, that's all.



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I suggest a law that separates corporations from the government. They should not be ALLOWED to have lobbyists and they should not be allowed to donate to campaigns.



as a solution to the pp problem? fund them, and cut down on your military budget (pull your troops out of all the places you don't need them like Germany, Turkey,

England, etc). OR better yet...let the tax cuts for the rich end...that will cut 100 times what cutting PP will do for the budget.

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I understand and agree with a lot of what you are saying Johnny, but I fail to see how funding PP on top of funding public clinics does anything to remedy that issue. In fact, I have not read any suggestions as far as remedies for those issues, only complaints. Complaints are pointless if they are not accompanied by suggestions for improvement.

Yes, it is hard to move beyond the class you were born to in the US, BUT it is NOT impossible. I was born to a very poor family who ended up homeless for several years, but now, I could be considered middle class--I moved out of the class I was born into. Perhaps it is that I know the true pain of being poor, but I don't have a problem with being in the middle class. I don't care that I don't have a few billion dollars in the bank or drive a RR. I have a house, a decent car and a few thousand dollars in the bank for a bad day. I don't care that there are billionaires, they don't bother me, I don't bother them.

Can someone explain what is so bad about being in the middle class? I don't care that I can't control policies on a grand level, but we can control it somewhat due to our numbers. I don't care that I have to contribute to society to support my family, in fact, I like that I make a good contribution to our local economy. Why is it such a bad thing to work to support ourselves?


On another note...
Also, remember that a few years ago, the republican party introduced a bill to raise the amount that private parties could donate to campaigns and lower the cap for corporate and business donations. Democrats voted it down because it ate too much into their contributions which come mostly from corporations, who can give much, much more than most private parties. Giving private parties more allowance for contributions would have given smaller businesses and individuals more power and taken some power from large corporations. It doesn't really matter much to me, but you cannot completely blame republicans for policies that keep power in the hands of big industries.

Lady Heather - posted on 04/13/2011

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I know. I really want Walgreens to come to Canada now. Sounds like a convenient place to get a pap. rofl. And proud mum just has to say that when I turned it on Freja said Colbert? ahahahaha.

Lady Heather - posted on 04/13/2011

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I'm no expert on PP being from Canada, but if the argument isn't about abortion then maybe the Republican party should remind their members to shut the fuck up about abortion when discussing the issue. Obviously abortion is part of it or they wouldn't be talking about it. Seems common sense to me. Some dude blah blahing about abortion being 90% of what they do sure doesn't make it look like that's not their reason for wanting to stop funding. Of course I saw on Colbert that buddy didn't mean that to be a factual statement.

Isobel - posted on 04/13/2011

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I've actually heard that there is LESS movement between classes in America than there is in England o.O I'm pretty sure that's not how your founding fathers intended it.

and PDM was/is Political Debating Moms...it was good times for a while, then I suppose it kinda exploded.

Tah - posted on 04/13/2011

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Johnny, great way to word it and it is the truth. I had a patient recouping after surgery tell me that they had it right in England, We should be born to a class and stay there, if you are born rich and royal, then you stay that way and it continues with your family and if you born an average joe then it should stay that way as well, then everything will equal out....so basicallyhe doesn't agree that the working.middle class should have an opportuniy to advance beyond where they are and the rich should be able to stay that way whatever that takes....

Pansy - posted on 04/12/2011

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It's funny how many people I know that use PP ... yet somehow, according to Kelly, there are a SLEW of other venues that offer the same services ... really? Then how come PP does as well as it does? I call BS ...

And Sara B. That's going around FB today ... I posted it as well ... The repugs are a bunch of scumbags ...

Jenni - posted on 04/12/2011

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Johnny--- 100% agree. The whole bloody system is set up to make the richer, richer and the poor, poorer. But when has it not since the beginning of civilization? It's a tried and true method. They just keep getting better and better at it.

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Remember the other millions of investors and bank executives that didn't crash the stock market, take millions in TARP money, spill oil, or give themselves billions in bonuses, and who paid their taxes. Again, you are assuming that all banks and investors are guilty of the same crimes only a few committed because those few got the media attention. You cannot base your opinion of an entire group on the actions of a small minority of that group.

It is true that the market is not big enough for everyone to open their own business, but not everyone WANTS to open their own business. Many people are happy working for others--they can do jobs they love, and focus entirely on that aspect of their work without having to worry about profit margins, and other aspects of completely running a business. There are benefits to owning a business, but there are also great benefits to working in someone else's business. The great thing about our economic system is that all Americans are free to choose which path they want to take--there is nothing to stop them from working for a corporation, or owning their own business, or working for a smaller business.

Isobel - posted on 04/12/2011

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my guess is if you have a safe home, and you are not on welfare you are middle class...am I right?

Esther - posted on 04/12/2011

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Kelly - I'd still really like to know who you would consider working class vs middle class.

Isobel - posted on 04/12/2011

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see? and when I ask where all the sane republicans are they get mad. You are, by far, the smartest and most reasonable conservative I have ever "met" and if more of them could debate as calmly and rationally as this...we would have an AWESOME PDM.

anyhoo...the market is not big enough for a lot of people to start their own business...the vast majority of the working class in some way shape or form works for the big giant corporations that rule the world.

It's been that way for 50 years and I'm afraid that it's going to be from now on. :(

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I don't know where you all meet the conservative you talk to, but most republicans I talk to share my views. Guess we are just not the vocal minority....

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I guess not....
You don't have to work "for THEM" you just have to work. You can start your own business if you want to, that's what I did. I have not worked for anyone else (unless you count my clients) since I was 19 years old.

Also, anyone can invest. You don't have to be upper class. Without investors, there would be very few small businesses.

Isobel - posted on 04/12/2011

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so how is not oppression if we HAVE to work for THEM in order to survive...and we have to take whatever tiny little crumbs they decide to drop for us while they suck trillions out of the economy and just sit on it so their grand children won't have to work if they don't want to?

Isobel - posted on 04/12/2011

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upper class can opt out...if they invest wisely, they can opt out for generations :)

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I don't know what class he is in, Kate, but Jenny made the comment that meat packers/butchers were not part of the middle class and were oppressed and enslaved and I just wanted to point out that being in the "working middle class" or working as a meat packer isn't really all that bad--he's got a great life by most standards.

Jenny, not being able to "opt out of creating an income" to provide for our families and survive is not "economic slavery" it is survival. No one would survive if we never did any work--there MUST be people to pick fruit, there must be people to butcher meat, there must be people to take care of the accounting so that these people get paid. If we all sit around waiting for someone who wants to pick the fruit for nothing to pick the fruit, we would all starve.

And if employment is "economic slavery" as you say, then we are ALL enslaved--from the "poor" janitor to the rich CEO because we are all providing for our families. Life would be chaos otherwise.

Isobel - posted on 04/12/2011

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It is definitely true that the less you get paid, the harder you work for it.

Kate CP - posted on 04/12/2011

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But but but...universal health care is socialist and communist and thought up by THE DEBIL!

Jenny - posted on 04/12/2011

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Kelly, employment is our sole source of sustaining our families. We can not opt out of not having to create income to live. That is economic slavery. What about agriculture workers like fruit pickers? They make a pittance for back breaking work and we demand more and more from them. Of course the CEO's of these factory farms want more labourers willing to put up with it. At least until they figure out how to get a machine to do it and the workers lose their access to food, shelter etc.

Sara - posted on 04/12/2011

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That's what happens when you have health care being provided to people on a for-profit basis, Sarah. It's pretty ridiculous, isn't it?

Kate CP - posted on 04/12/2011

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Sarah: Oh, of course. And for a long time (and in some cases it's still this way) insurance wouldn't cover birth control like the pill or IUDs for women...but they paid for Viagra.

Jenni - posted on 04/12/2011

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Maybe if their plan was to fix the lack of sex education in schools and make BC more affordable and available and THEN defund PP.... that would be a great idea.

Sara - posted on 04/12/2011

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I understand the points you're trying to make, Kelly. But, it's the GOP that has turned this into an abortion debate. If it wasn't true then you would have senators like Jon Kyl making statements like this on the floor of the senate:

"Everybody goes to clinics, to hospitals, to doctors, and so on. Some people go to Planned Parenthood. But you don’t have to go to Planned Parenthood to get your cholesterol or your blood pressure checked. If you want an abortion, you go to Planned Parenthood, and that’s well over 90 percent of what Planned Parenthood does."

His office later retracted his statement because it was pointed out that only 3% of PP's services are providing abortions. But, why even make a statement like this unless you're trying to envoke an emotional response about abortion?

And it may be redundant funding, but the fact of the matter is it's such a minicule part of the budget, funding for PP wasn't worth threatening to shut down the government, which is is fact what almost happened. It's seems obvious they were trying to make a statement and mobilize their base, IMO.

Kate CP - posted on 04/12/2011

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Kelly, MOST conservatives *hate* PP because they DO offer abortions. And although it's a very VERY small amount of what they do there, people will glom onto the one thing they hate and blow it way out of proportion to gain more support for their cause.

I know LOTS of conservatives-I live in Texas. And about 80-90% of those conservatives think that PP is horrible because of "all the abortions they do".

Many conservatives consider a annual income of 60K middle class. I hate to break it to ya, but a majority of the US makes around 20-25K, don't have retirement plans or insurance, and don't own their own cars/homes/or a second vacation home.

On a last note...honestly, you think that a person who owns TWO FRICKIN' HOUSES is "middle class"?!

Jenni - posted on 04/12/2011

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Of course Kelly... but do you honestly think they're going to do that as a result of defunding PPD?

Rosie - posted on 04/12/2011

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that's a fabulous idea kelly, if only ANY republican supported it other than you, lol. i know i'm generalizing but most of the right wing population is going to have a problem with teaching proper sex ed, instead of abstinence.

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Jennifer, I understand what you are saying, and I read and agree with the study, but it would be more cost effective to change the sex ed program already offered in public schools than to fund both the public sex ed program which is faulty, and fund PP to correct the teachings of the public program. If we fix the public program, there would be no need for the education sector of the PP program to be paid for federally, and we would only have to pay for one program. Furthermore, we would eliminate the mixed message, and thus create a clearer message.

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Wait, so you remember ONE Tea-Partier who believed that PP was trying to trick girls into getting abortions for profit (which is obviously false), so you assume that most conservatives believe that PP is an "abortion factory" and that cutting funding that does not fund abortions will somehow help their standing with pro-lifers? That's a bit of a stretch. Like I said, you cannot base the views of an entire party on the opinion of a few crazies.

The middle class of the last two generations was divided into the "working middle class" and the "white collar middle class". It was not until our entitled generation that the working class was kicked out of the middle class and only the white collar class is now recognized as middle. In any case, call it what you will--working class, middle class, whatever--the fact remains that we MUST have people to do these jobs. If there are no sanitation workers, we would be forced to live in filth. If there are no butchers, we would be forced to import meat from countries with lesser health standards. Butchers are not poor, btw, my uncle is a butcher and he has managed to put 4 kids through college, owns his home, and a vacation home on the coast, owns his own cars--though he does not travel abroad, unless you count cruises to Canada and Mexico--I would consider him a part of the middle class. Perhaps he is "working class" but he is NOT "oppressed" or "enslaved".
And cutting funding for PP will not further oppress him, or anyone else.

You all keep focusing on "classes" when in fact, funding for PP has nothing to do with oppressing people and defining their socioeconomic classes.

The facts remain that the funding can easily be replaced by private, tax deductible donations to PP, and the services offered by PP are available and federally funded elsewhere. (In the US every county is required to provide a public clinic, which is paid for with a combination of state and federal tax dollars, and is open to any resident of said state--some require you do go to the one in the county where you reside, but many do not). The funding is redundant, we are spending more money than we have. If we put all services under one roof, it would save money because we would only have to pay to staff and maintain ONE building instead of two. Not to mention the cost of the actual buildings.

Jenni - posted on 04/12/2011

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Kelly, it will impact abortion because the US already struggles with high levels of teen pregnancy and high levels of abortions compared to many other developed countries which is largely attributed to lack of education on sex, lack of availability of affordable BC and idealistic views on sex. Defunding a program that encourages education and affordable BC for the underpriveledge and abortions as a last resort will lead to a shit storm of unwanted pregnancies among the underpriveledged.

It will increase the number of abortions because it will increase the number of pregnancies occuring from lack of affordable BC and education on safe sex practices.



The European Study Tour was conducted by the US to help them understand what their country was lacking that led to their almost double rate of teen pregnancies, STDs and abortion rates compared to Europe and it was discovered that it was highly due to the methodology on how European countries have a more realistic view on sex education and preach responsibility and not abstinence. Teach sex ed through science and not religion. Preventive measures are what boasts results in abortion rates. Availability of birth control and education which from what I understand is what PPD is all about.

Rosie - posted on 04/12/2011

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go to the republican conservative forum here, read the article about planned parenthood. tell me again republicans don't think defunding PP will stop abortions? just cause you seem to be alot smarter than many right wingers i've had the pleasure of talking to doesn't mean all are like you.

Isobel - posted on 04/12/2011

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I remember one Tea-Partier who believed that PP was actually TRYING to trick girls into getting MORE abortions for profit...loony

Isobel - posted on 04/12/2011

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and I can't tell you how many people on the right I have talked to who believed that PP was an abortion factory and that the govt should stop funding it for exactly that reason... oh I do miss PDM

Isobel - posted on 04/12/2011

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it won't change the number of abortions...it will change the level of satisfaction pro-lifers have with the party they vote for.

I can't believe that the majority of people believe they are middle class...you have been led to believe something that is just not true.

Most of us belong to "The working class", the next step up is the middle class.

Esther - posted on 04/12/2011

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Kelly - if janitors and packers are considered "middle class" and middle class is the "class" between working & upper class, who would you consider among the working class?

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Laura, I know exactly what the middle class is. I don't know where you got your definition, but it differs heavily from mine. Middle class people tend to go to public schools, thus they can usually pay for them without borrowing money, they do own homes and cars, but a vacation abroad would be considered extravagant and something more for the "upper middle" class by most.

"If it has nothing to do with abortion, why do the republicans keep yelling about it?" --Laura

It has noting to do with abortion. If it does, please explain how it will impact abortion. The argument was never about abortion, it was about funding and the most appropriate place to spend it, the left keeps saying that the reason the right wants to cut funding is to reduce abortion, but any informed person can tell you that cutting funding for PP will have not impact on abortion because those funds are not used for abortion anyway. As I said in my first post, I agree that the speaker in the video was misinformed, but I also don't think you can use one misinformed statement to sum up the entire side of the argument.

To those of you who think that the working middle class is oppressed and enslaved, who do you propose do the work of the meat packers, factory workers, and janitors? Should we not have those jobs? Should we only have jobs for the highly educated?

Isobel - posted on 04/12/2011

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oh...and the reason it DOES have something to do with abortion is the fact that the majority of conservatives I've spoken with are pro-life and believe that PP is an abortion factory...

cutting their funding is a sure way to win votes from people who don't know the whole story.

Isobel - posted on 04/12/2011

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"War is peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength" ~ George Orwell

My favorite quote ever.

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I agree 100% with Johnny, this goes all the way back to the Rothchilds and the Vanderbilts etc. the elite upper echelons of society are the ones that control the human masses and class system not to mention over 98% of the worlds wealth. Why wouldn't they have a vested interest in creating a future generation of workers who aren't motivated to vote who aren't educated enough to care to vote, who lack self esteem and self worth, who can be bought and sold at low cost simply due to the fact everyone needs the basics to survive. They don't care if these people are are a drain on the government. The government funds programs by borrowing money from the Federal Reserve Bank which is owned by a group of very very wealthy men. Again why wouldn't they have a vested interest in maintaining a large population of uneducated, non voting, often ill, (thereby supporting another big industry; pharma) keeping them in prisons (another big money maker for the elite private sector.)
Why is the education system so privatized, why are charter schools being run by corporations and not public systems? Because when you allow the corporate elite access to educating our young minds, you can further manipulate the agenda of a class system of workers, labourers and elite, you can divide them as young as grade school. You can dumb down education in places where there is poverty, thereby increasing the odds that those children will grow up to be apathetic non complaining workers.
It's a Brave New World out there.
Soma anyone?

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