Quebec Leaving the country?

Meghan - posted on 09/10/2010 ( 16 moms have responded )

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Ok, I don't want to limit this to JUST Canadian mom's but...

My political science class was given an assignment. People in Quebec have hypothetically voted to remove themselves from the country. Out assignment is to look at this from different provincial views...how will this effect each province as well as the whole country...and for the sake of argument how would the rest of the world respond.

I realized I am quite uniformed on the whole issue. It is a possible reality that we may have to face one day and I have looked at it very ignorantly...if they don't want to be part of the nation leave.

But what would it mean??

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Petra - posted on 09/11/2010

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I recall that the last time Quebec held a referendum on separation they were not willing to take a share of the national debt, separate currency, share rights to the river, etc. They just want a clean break with their own rules. Its absolute BS. Even determining their share of the national debt would be a nightmare. Like Krista said, this will affect all inter-provincial travelers and waste a ton of money on sorting out the legalities. The referendum itself cost millions of dollars and there were a lot of criticisms over its legitimacy - the majority of the northern rural residents didn't even vote and the close results were not reflective of the entire population of Quebec.

I am sick of all of the time money being wasted on this issue when Quebec is never going to agree to realistic terms or even recognize the insane difficulty separation would pose to the rest of us Canadians. I think a referendum on the legalization of marijuana would be money better spent than revisiting this retarded issue yet again.

Caitlin - posted on 09/11/2010

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You shoudl probably look at the number of seats in parliment, because there is a shift now and the population is expanding out west, there is a unbalance of seats. If Quebec were to leave Canada, BC would have a bigger say on the running of the country because they would have a higher percentage of seats in parliment. The issue of bilingualism would still be at play though, i'm sure that language would not change much, because new brunswick is a billingual province and there are many french speakers on the east coast as well (not sure about out west. If Quebec were to have to pay their share of the debt back, it would boost the canadian economy as well, and allow other provinces to receive more money (because I don't know the exact numbers, but quebec receives more money back from the government than it sends, so it would free up funds for other provinces. That of course is if they leave peacefully, but I heard some statistic after the last referendum that Quebecers thought that they would still be sending representatives to the house of parliment even after separation. I doubt if Quebec separated that the borders would remain the same, because the northern communities votes largely in favor of staying a part of canada (most of them being native communities and they receive their assistance from the canadian government, and not the Quebec one, their loyalties lie with their country, not the province).

Also, If a referendum were sucessful, and Quebec were to separate, you would see a HUGE exodus from Quebec, considering that the last referendum was lost by less that 1% of the vote (ignoring the fact they cancelled ballots and tried to cheat it - and still lost). I would make the bold assumption that most of the people that voted against the separation would remain in Canada, and move if they had the means to do so, so that they would still live in Canada (so they'd move east or west) and therefore they would still be paying taxes to Canada and it would also mean an influx of people from Quebec, moving to other provinces, setting up buying new houses and getting jobs, which may help stimulate the economy..

I'm sure I coudl think of more if you needed.

Julie - posted on 09/10/2010

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I'm not Canadian, but this whole Quebec thing still irritates me. I just want to say "Get over yourselves!!!". Phew. I'm not sure I understand what the big deal is either.

Funny, though, how it sounds as most of Canada would "let" it happen and be mad about the inconveniences while the US went to war rather than "let" the who South secede.

I'm SO close to the border ... maybe one of these days I'll just go north a bit more;-)

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Heather - posted on 09/11/2010

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Well, I'm American and as such don't know much on the subject of the effects of succession by Quebec, but I do know that during our civil war(which only in the last year became about slavery) the north would have lost a huge amount of income on southern goods because they would have had to pay new taxes on everything that crossed the border. The "south" had the means to support themselves in trade and goods, but the north would've taken a huge hit.
It might be worth it to take a look at what kinds of things are produced in Quebec/what they bring to the overall GDP of Canada to determine the effects. Good luck with your paper!

Johnny - posted on 09/11/2010

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My only thoughts on how it would effect BC is that perhaps we could stop pretending that our second language is French. That is totally laughable. When I was hiring for Census, we were supposed to ensure that we had at least one French speaker per team. Out of the thousands of applicants, we only had 2 French speakers and both got other jobs and did not take the Census positions. We did not have a single request in the Greater Vancouver area for a French-speaking Census taker nor a French long form. I wasted hours of work trying to find myself a single French-speaking worker. It's absurd. I did have lots of requests for Cantonese, Mandarin, Vietnamese, Japanese, Punjabi, Hindi, Urdu, Tagalog, Spanish, and Arabic though. And I was easily able to find staff for each of those languages. So seeing the money we spend on "bilingualism" here just irks me.

Meghan - posted on 09/11/2010

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I did some research last nite and I found some stats that Canada has a 150 billion dollar debt load. 25% of this would be Quebec's responsibility. (what is that, roughly 35 billion less debt??) they would have to start borrowing money from Canada. Over the years Quebec would start to pay the money back, with interest, and Canada's debt would be almost cut in half. But like you said Petra, I think the REAL issue would be getting them to agree to take on a debt load.

Meghan - posted on 09/10/2010

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LOL, that's what I have to figure out. I want to say nothing but I am sure there has to be something. My idea was to "create" a referendum to legalize marijuana and sell it to the other provinces so we call can chill out (and hopefully help with the debt load)....my group didn't find that funny. Losers. :P

Isobel - posted on 09/10/2010

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between BC and Quebec...oh dear, let's start another thread...don't mind me

Meghan - posted on 09/10/2010

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Laura, it's a pretty open ended assignment. It's a university course so those are the types of things we would need to think about and asses. I just need a place to start. The province assigned to my group is BC (the province I live in) and being younger and so far away I have no idea what the other issues are..

Isobel - posted on 09/10/2010

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ok...I wasn't really paying attention...your project should depend on...how much of the National Debt that is assigned to Quebec and what our rights are to the St. Lawrence Seaway.

Meghan - posted on 09/10/2010

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Thanks Krista I never in a million years would have thought about that, that's a very good point!

Krista - posted on 09/10/2010

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Well, from the point of view of Atlantic Canada, it'd be a real piss-off, because we would then be geographically separated from Ottawa by a separate country. I'd have to bring my passport to visit my own nation's capital, because to get to Ontario, I have to go through Quebec or through the U.S.

So yeah, I would NOT be a happy camper.

Caitlin - posted on 09/10/2010

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I think that Canada should eliminate quebec, and split the territory between new brunswick, labrador and ontario.. just be done with allt he stupid politics in here.. I'd love to respond more, but I'm leaving for work in a few minutes, so I have to get my overnight snacks packed..

Isobel - posted on 09/10/2010

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I just don't understand why...you've (they've) already got the right to make any law they want whether or not it goes against our federal ones...why bother?

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