Real food vs. Industrial

Minnie - posted on 08/04/2011 ( 26 moms have responded )

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Stemming from the what we feed our children thread.

Raw local grass fed milk vs. industrial pasteurized homogenized

processed industrial packaged foods vs. locally produced whole foods.

You get the picture.

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Lady Heather - posted on 08/04/2011

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We do whole, local and range raised stuff whenever possible. It's sometimes difficult here because we don't have a huge growing season. This year has been particularly problematic because of the crazy weather - the local organic farm lost 70% of it's produce. Bleh. Anyways, I don't get organic unless it's at least within province. Most of the stuff at the grocery store comes from Mexico. I'd rather have something grown closer to home. For milk I prefer the standard unhomogenized from the health food store, but given the amount I go through when pregnant, it's not really a good financial decision! Will go back to it when I'm back to normal consumption though. In Canada we have better laws regarding hormones and antibiotics in cows so we don't have to worry quite as much about regular milk.

I am with you on the salmon Kate. I would never ever ever ever stoop to farmed salmon. NEVER. It's an environmental nightmare, it tastes like crap and yeah...dyed? Wtf? Nope, I'll just wait for salmon season to roll around and pay a little more thanks. Speaking of - it's salmon season and I am so going to satisfy that craving tonight! hehe.

Kate CP - posted on 08/04/2011

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I prefer organics because I can taste a difference. Organic strawberries are SO much better than the gigantic ones they sell at Wally-World from Chernobyl Farms. We don't do a lot of milk here because it's really high in carbs, but the imp drinks it and has it with her cereal so we buy organic. The organic milk also lasts a LOT longer than traditional milk. I also prefer cage-free and naturally-fed hens' eggs. Grass-fed beef or bison is REALLY tasty. Free-range chicken is the BOMB. And you won't catch me eating a farm-raised catfish or salmon for love or money. You know how they make farm raised salmon that pink? They feed it red dye. THEY DYE THE FISH. No, thank you. I'll take my wild-caught Alaskan sock-eye over that any day. :P

So...yes, we do whole foods here. The only pre-packaged foods we buy are things like butter, sour cream, yogurt, tuna in a can, and low carb tortillas. Can't live in this house without having some form of tacos at least once a week. ;P

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Minnie - posted on 08/05/2011

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You're right, Emma. Vegetables stored in the fridge lose their nutritional value so quickly!

Charlie - posted on 08/05/2011

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We grow our own veggies and we have our own fruit in summer .

We buy local wherever possible , we mainly eat whole foods but arent as strict to have no processed foods we just limit it .

Stifler's - posted on 08/05/2011

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Frozen veg is better because it's snap frozen. Once broccolli et al has been in the fridge 5 days it has no nutritional value.

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Krista, you have the right idea with make two lasagnas! Whenever you cook, make double. It doesn't take any extra effort really. Then you have food to eat sometime in the coming week that's already prepared. I don't have much luck freezing prepared meals.



I DO however, freeze most of the vegetables that come from the garden. When my husband brings in fresh veggies, I set aside enough for that week. Then I prepare the rest for the freezer. So yes, I do eat my fair share of frozen veggies.



Lisa, I'll have to check my state laws. But I don't think I can legally buy it for my 'pets'. I have caught wind of a local dairy farmer that sells his milk illegally. It's over an hour away, so I don't know if it would be worth it.

Minnie - posted on 08/05/2011

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Frozen's definitely better than canned. And canned is what people do anyways during the winter, unless you're doing root vegetables.

I used to hate cooking, before we transitioned to whole foods and then traditional eating. Now I have fun trying out new experiments. I've impressed my husband; after 10 years knowing each other and seven years of marriage I've finally beaten his grandmother's beef stew. THAT'S an accomplishment!

Krista - posted on 08/05/2011

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When I worked and my ex worked, I would spend time on my days off making stuff to freeze for the following week, our homemade version of convenience foods.

You're smarter than I. I SHOULD do that, but the problem is that I don't actually enjoy cooking. I find it to be a chore, so I just can't bring myself to spend that much time on it, all at once.

But I have frozen spaghetti sauce in the past. And if I do go to all the work of making a lasagna, I always make two and freeze one.

For us, frozen veg works better than fresh. We've bought fresh veg in the past, with all of these grand plans of what we're going to do with them. And they just wind up going bad. So the only things I buy fresh are heads of lettuce, peppers, and mushrooms. Everything else is frozen. We actually waste a LOT less food this way.

Sherri - posted on 08/05/2011

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Oh we do a ton of frozen veggies. I don't find this to be bad in anyway. They are way better than canned veggies. We have to do this as we only really do grocery shopping once a month so fresh produce just doesn't last that long.

Tara - posted on 08/05/2011

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Hey my helpful etc. buttons aren't working. wtf?
Krista, I helpful, nice and funny your post!

When I worked and my ex worked, I would spend time on my days off making stuff to freeze for the following week, our homemade version of convenience foods.
We baked potatoes, cut in half and scooped out the guts, mixed them with some broccoli, cheddar, chives etc. and re-stuffed them, then froze them. They were a great lunch, or side dish for dinner, and if you added meat, left over ham etc. it could suffice as a quick and healthy meal.
We also did lasagnas, spaghetti sauce, pizzas, breaded chicken fingers. We made and froze our own breaded onion rings and zuchinni sticks made with our own veggies.
We eat frozen veggies most of the winter, but they are our veggies that we grew and froze ourselves...
You can make convenient healthy foods, just have to plan it right!

Krista - posted on 08/05/2011

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Like Dyan, we're making efforts. We've started buying about 90% of our meat from the farmer just down the road. Just recently, we bought a metric shitload of chicken, beef, lamb and pork. I haven't noticed much difference in the beef, because all of the beef in our local grocery stores is grass-fed anyway. But the chicken! Oh my, the chicken...what a difference. And the lamb, as a burger, with some tzatsiki on top? Why yes...don't mind if I do!

We do buy commercial milk, though, but it's from a co-operative dairy owned by about 100 local dairy farmers. A friend of mine has seen most of these farms, as he's a bovine nutritionist, and he confirms that the animals are treated and fed well, and kept in good conditions.

Do we have food from a box? Yeah, we do. Convenience food is named just that for a reason. So the odd frozen pizza does find its way into the oven at my house. And we rely heavily on frozen vegetables, due to them being so quick and easy to prep. But after a long day at work, and a long commute, and then coming home to realize that I forgot to thaw out anything for dinner...well, sometimes you've gotta do what you've gotta do.

Minnie - posted on 08/05/2011

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People didn't start getting sick on raw milk until dairy farms switched from grass fed cows to grain fed

Yup. Grain fed cows have a more acidic gut which increases the risk of ecoli contamination beyond that which is normal levels.

In case anyone hadn't seen it from the other thread:

http://www.realmilk.com/documents/Sheeha...

Minnie - posted on 08/05/2011

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Sara- is there any loophole in your state laws that allow for selling raw milk for 'pet' consumption (wink, wink)? Some people get around it that way. Or a cow share, since you basically own part of the cow?

Mrs. - posted on 08/04/2011

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Yeah, we don't eat processed food. None of us tolerate dairy well, including my daughter. So, I go with rice milk or nothing. We have a bi-monthly order of organic, local goat's milk for my daughter as well.
I went back to eating meat more than two decades of not eating it. I can't eat meat that isn't organic or raised in a responsible manner. If I can't find it that day, I don't get it. It makes me too ill as I'm still working on liking the taste of meat. Organic meat taste better and doesn't make my body feel like a toxic waste dump.
We make a lot of our flat breads, all of our baked goods and buy this awesome, local yeast free Kamut bread at our local health shop.
I also have to use the non chlorine treated toilet paper and pads. If I don't, it hurts.
I'm lucky, my fiance is a terrific cook. We have to make so much at home because of my allergies and all that. All I can say is it is a good thing we know how to make most everything better than what we can buy pre-made.

Tara - posted on 08/04/2011

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Locally raised meat (used to raise my own pigs and chickens but not easy to do in a village opposed to on a farm)
Locally grown produce when possible, all summer we only eat veggies from our garden and fruit from the local farmers, available at the farmers market.
Local honey and maple syrup sweetens our stuff instead of refined sugars and corn syrup.
Homemade pizza over frozen or take out.
Deer meat shot with a bow and arrows by my brother, in the freezer every fall. mmmmm..... Bambi's mommy tastes good....
We make our own pickles and pickled beets, we freeze our own produce and store our own potatoes.
My in laws have a farm so we get our eggs and chickens from them.
Our grocery bill consists mostly of breads from the bakery (I'm lazy and the kids eat a lot of grains), cheeses, dairy foods (minimal) and household crap like toilet paper, vinegar, flour, baking stuff, frozen fish, cat food, dog food and occasionally other snacks that we don't make at home like fruit leather, cherries, cold deli meats, (once in a blue moon) and other stuff...

But you get the picture. Over production of food, mono cropping and the extensive use of chemical fertilizers and pesticides etc. are separating people from food more and more.
And the pundits talk about a global food crisis. How is it that you can have people in the US or Canada who weigh 50% more than they need to and at the same time you can have people on the other side of the world who weigh 50% less than they should to be healthy. That's not a Global *food* crisis, that is a Global *distribution* crisis.

Rosie - posted on 08/04/2011

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i've been making an effort to try to eat more local, organic produce, meat and dairy. i get grassfed beef from a farmer around here, and my dairy is grassfed, non homogenized, and VAT pasteurized, my yogurt comes from the same company which is also a local business.
i wont buy organic eggs, i'll buy cage free-no antibiotics ones though. like i said in the other thread i can't spend more than twice the normal amount, it just hurts to do it, lol.
cagefree, no antibiotic chicken, "fresh air" pork, wild sockeye salmon etc.

my husband is much like sherri's. he loves his little debbies, and vegetables are horrifying to him. i can get him occasionally to eat a salad, or broccoli, but that's about it.

not only do i think these items taste better, i feel better knowing i'm supporting local farmers, and not buying as much food that is part of our disgusting food system. and all of htese items have been proven to be better for you than their non organic friends. grassfed beef has tons of omega 3's, CLA (an anti-carcinogen), has less chances of e-coli, and i feel better knowing HOW my meat is killed as well. the guy i buy it from knows that cows get stressed in the typical slaughter house assembly line. he chooses a slaughter house that does not do the typical and tries to make it a calmer environemnt for the cattle. i feel better knowing the cow isn't being to horribly mistreated, and when a cow is stressed right before slaughter it releases more acids into the blood stream affecting the taste and texture of the meat. the USDA inspectors spend at least 3000% more time with each cow at my guys slaughterhouse than a normal industrial slaughterhouse. i feel better knowing that.

now, i DO eat fast food around once a week, sometimes more depending on what is going on. i dont' think i can give up my dinner out with my bestie. i do generally cook every meal form scratch. i even make butter sometimes, i make bread, i make ricotta cheese, i freeze corn, i make pickles, i make jam, i freeze peaches etc.
the thing i wish i could do more was eat vegetables. i'm just not all that fond of them. i love broccoli, and green beans. i can eat carrots and cucumbers just won't go out of my way to do it. i really want more ways to incorporate veggies in our meals. i want at least half of what my family eats to be veggies and it is usually a quarter.

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We are consciously switching over to 100% whole foods. We have a grass fed cow in 1lb packages in the freezer. We are in the process of getting our free range pig. We buy free range chicken and eggs from the farmer's market. We grow most of our vegetables. I cook mostly from scratch.



The milk thing is aggravating the heck out of me. It's illegal to buy and sell raw milk in my state. The most convenient producer non-homogenized milk recently had an explosion on the farm and are struggling to get back in business. So for now we buy local pasteurized, homogenized milk from grass fed cows not treated with rbgh. I'm working on finding a raw milk source in the next state (we are 45 minutes from the border).



Just to give a little insight on raw milk...



People didn't start getting sick on raw milk until dairy farms switched from grass fed cows to grain fed. The grain fed cows live on top of each other in a barn and cannot move away from their feces. Can we say disease? Instead of the gov't saying farmers had to pasture their cows, they said all milk had to be pasteurized. (early 1900's) I'd MUCH rather drink raw milk from a cow that happily lives in a grass field than the pasteurized milk from a grain fed cow.



***edit to add*** I just saw that the raw milk debate has already been in full force in another thread. I've been out of the loop for a few days. Sorry to be redundant on this issue. =)

Stifler's - posted on 08/04/2011

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my husband is an idiot when it comes to food. he buys breakfast every day. doesn't eat lunch. comes home and eats big spoonfuls of peanut butter and honey then whatever i make for dinner. then complains that he feels lethargic. I'm like you don't eat for 12 hours how is that going to make you feel energised?

Minnie - posted on 08/04/2011

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My husband used to be like that. Fortunately his acceptance of whole foods has changed over time- he's begun to worry about his health and how he's aging and admits that he needs to eat healthier.

Cooking everything at home definitely takes a lot of time! I cook a lot of stews and soups to freeze and when I cook chicken or fish I cook a lot of it to use later in salads.

Sherri - posted on 08/04/2011

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We try and stay away from processed foods but I definitely won't say we don't eat it on occasion. I always keep that emergency frozen pizza in the freezer for those nights I am not home and the older kids need something to eat.

However, I do prefer and try to cook almost everything from scratch. I am finding this much more difficult as the kids are getting older because we are constantly on the run with everyone's schedules, although I still really try and still make this a priority.

Plus my husband eats virtually NOTHING unless it comes out of a box. He hates virtually every vegetable. Hates a ton of spices including garlic and onions. Lives on frozen, soda, hamburger helper or little debbie snacks gah. I just try and explain to the kids that is daddy's food and they can't have it.

Stifler's - posted on 08/04/2011

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We don't even have local produce here. This is a cotton farming, citrus (there's only so many things you can do with oranges) and coal mining town. I buy real vegetables from the supermarket though and meat from the butcher. The meat is local Wagyu beef and lamb. We also sometimes eat frozen pies or chicken nuggets or fish fingers but usually meat and vegetables/pasta. Never eat those "healthy choice" frozen meals. We don't do the raw milk thing though. My friend does and I don't like the taste when I go over for coffee.

Minnie - posted on 08/04/2011

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Heather, I'm cooking up a 2lb wild salmon filet tomorrow for dinner :). Yum!

Minnie - posted on 08/04/2011

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We eat locally during the summer and use the occasional winter farmer's market for greens and root vegetables.



I never buy processed stuff. Nothing we eat comes from a box.



We use local pastured eggs (and eat many of them raw) and local grass fed organic raw cow milk.



We don't use commerical milk because of the conditions the cows are raised in, the homoginization process which renders fats rancid and oxidizes cholesterol which causes heart disease. The pasteurization process denatures proteins and makes it difficult for the body to use the minerals in the milk.



The organic stuff in the stores is always ultra pasteurized. Yes, it lasts a ton longer, but it's dead. When that stuff goes bad it smells rotten. Raw milk is alive, full of lactobacillus bacteria and it doesn't go bad- it just turns into something else- clabbers into whey and cream cheese.



I don't worry about our milk not lasting long anyways (but it's always super fresh and I've had it be perfectly fine up to 2 weeks in the back of the fridge) because we use so much to make yogurt.



IMO industrial milk is way more of a risky choice to me than a local small farm that is clean and keeps its animals in appropriate living conditions. Pasteurization kills off the bacteria once- it can be contaminated with all of those scary critters at any point after that.

Sherri - posted on 08/04/2011

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I do go to farmers markets when I can if not I try to only buy fruits and veggies from the US only.

I will NEVER do raw milk I think it is very very dangerous and will never take the chance. We do however, do organic milk that has been pasteurized.

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