Revelations--The Mark of the Beast does that equal a student id with a responder chip?

Kristi - posted on 11/28/2012 ( 27 moms have responded )

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http://news.msn.com/us/suit-targets-loca...



I need your opinions, facts, beliefs, etc about this. I am not by any measures a religious scholar. So when I read this article about a family sueing a school district over their daughter having to wear a school id with and even without a responder (locater) chip in it based on religon I called Bullshit. I have been to church, many churches, I never heard of any such thing and my kids went to Christian school for 9 years and had id cards, this is ridiculous.



I read on. Later in the article it referenced The Mark of the Beast and Revelations. I did a quick Google search and read the verses and then the possible theories behind this microchip reasoning. I still don't know what to make of the whole thing. I know ultimately it will be up to me to decide what makes sense and what I believe. Sometimes, I just wonder how much, if any of this stuff is extremism designed to scare and panic people into a "cult-like" society or if our number really is up and Jesus is going to be back before my kid graduates high school?



As far as the microchips go, they only work while on campus so I would not be opposed to their use. I think they would be beneficial in restoring order, reducing truancy and unexcused absences and God-forbid, locating children in the event of a school shooting or other disaster such as an earthquake or tornado.



Please be nice--I don't want to start a war. Just an open conversation about this article and if offered, basic insights to Christianity, not religion. ; )

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Jenny - posted on 12/18/2012

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For some in my family (fundamentalist Pentecostal Christians) this would NOT be "THE MARK OF THE BEAST" because it says in Revelations that the mark of the beast will be put into your right hand or on your forehead. However, this sort of thing would be a genuine sign for times moving a step closer to that ending.

Christians that are well versed in Revelations and believe in the end times will be trained not to accept anything that would be implanted on their body (specifically the right hand or forehead).


I don't think they should be against this student ID chip, because they expect technology to get better and eventually reach the point of an implant or mark on the skin, which would be the Mark of the Beast. Anything leading up to that would just be tolerated. They wouldn't believe in preventing the inevitable, because it has been prophesied in Revelations and that would be going against Gods plan.

Here's the "Facts" from the bible on this topic:

Revelations 13:16-18
16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.
18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[e] That number is 666.


It is common understanding amongst the fundies that the "Mark" will be a microchip. However, obviously this student I.D is not The Mark, because it does not fit the description from the above verses 16 & 17 where its forced upon all people (not just students) and used as a means to buy and sell goods, as well as being on either the right hand or forehead.

From a biblical perspective I call B.S on this Student ID card being the Mark of the Beast.

And from a agnostic/atheist point of view I call BS on it all.

Mary - posted on 11/28/2012

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I don't get it AT ALL. There are numerous places - jobs, schools, volunteer organizations - that require people to wear ID badges. As a nurse in a (Catholic) hospital, every employee was required to have their ID badges both visible and on them at all times. It was both a security measure and a means of access to places restricted from the general public.



As a parent, I wouldn't be opposed to it at all. I think students should have to wear some form of ID that verifies that a person is indeed "allowed" to be where they are. I also think it would be beneficial in emergency events. We are not talking about micro-chipping or permanent branding or an actual body - it's just a temporary form of identification that a child must carry while on school grounds.

Kristi - posted on 12/04/2012

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If the government wants you bad enough, eventually they'll find you. Some easier than others of course but chip or no chip, they'll get you.



From a safety stand point, imo, I don't think I would mind my daughter having a school id with a chip in it because I want her found in an emergency ASAP and if she doesn't show up for school and/ or is cutting classes I want to know so I can hopefully nip that behavior in the bud. Not to mention if she didn't show up for school and couldn't be located anywhere else, those are valuable hours for police to start looking that you wouldn't get back otherwise.



But I was more curious about the end of the world thinking. Are people worried about that? This story originally disgusted me because I feel it is extremists like this that give God a bad name, so to speak. Then I wonder, what if I am not taking God seriously enough once I research the "meaning" behind their beliefs. Especially with all the other "signs" of the end of times like all the wars and natural disasters. Idk...

Tracey - posted on 12/02/2012

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Basically, the "mark of the Beast" is some kind of indication that- the bearer is a follower of a person, yet to appear, whom the entire world hails as the answer to all its problems ("the Beast"). And without this mark, a person will not be able to buy or sell. It's not some mysterious sign. It will be very clear when the time comes. It's not meant to be some kind of poetic imagery that we can all nod sagely about, and it's not supposed to be a mysterious conspiracy theory or foreshadowing, but a simple fact at some point in the future. That is what many present-day followers of Jesus believe. There are some people who are more into religion and forms and ceremonies who believe that it's more poetic and symbolic, which is where you find yourself looking for something similar to Slenderman or the numbers in Lost, etc.

Tracy - posted on 12/01/2012

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I am not religious in the slightest. I understand having ID cards but NOT locator chips - ever. I hate that my phone is even CAPABLE of GPS even if choose not to use it to locate others. I'm more of the mindset, and I'll butcher the quote completely, of George Washington (?) "those who are willing to give up freedom for security deserve neither". My kids don't need to be located 24/7 (but if I call, they BETTER answer and tell me where they are - old fashioned MOM GPS). I can handle having an ID for campus, it proves you belong there (if needed). I can handle ID cards for certain jobs, etc... I work seasonally at IRS and have a badge that allows me access and I understand the security there isn't so much for me, but for everyone else - their information there. You wanna know that someone belongs there and in the area they belong. I can't imagine the problems if there was open access to everything. But they don't need to track that I am in the lunchroom with GPS or in the parking lot before/after work. They just need to know if I scan into an area (or try to), which logs into a computer so you know who accessed things and when. THAT all makes sense. My son should have an ID for his high school (and does have one) but they don't need to know where he is at every moment. If he doesn't go to school one day, that's between him and us, not the school.

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Don't trouble yourself America, there are several very serious Biblical scholars who believe that there was a bad translation and the number is actually 665

Jenny - posted on 12/18/2012

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Your welcome Kristi :)

America, its just a number ;) It doesn't have supper powers :)

Kristi - posted on 12/18/2012

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Thank you Jenny! That really helps a lot! I'd read those verses but was then confused by some commentary I read after. I really appreciate your input!

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When will you draw the line and say "i need my freedom and privacy!"
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I drew that line when they signed The 'Patriot Act. I just love the name of it. Oh my gosh, Representative John Smith didn't sign the PATRIOT ACT? HE'S A COMMIE PINKO WHO WANTS TO DESTROY THE USA.

Ok, maybe a slight overreaction but not far from the mark.

But that damn Act was/is/will continue to be a terrible attack on my freedoms.

Cathy - posted on 12/15/2012

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Wearing id's, yes. Chipped so that your child's every move is monitored? I don't think so buddy!! That's just the beginning, they are trying to condition us, to get us used to the idea of being chipped, then they are going to implant the chip into our bodies and its going to be mandatory. Will you still approve then? When will you draw the line and say "i need my freedom and privacy!"

Kristi - posted on 12/11/2012

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The link is at the top of my post and then I googled Revelations and Mark of the Beast and did a little reading on that.

Stacy - posted on 12/10/2012

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When babies are born and still in the hospital, yhey wear a security bracelet so no one walks out with them. I don't see how this is any different. I do t see how religion has anything to do with this. Do you have a link to the article?

Based on what you said above, Kristi, these people sound strange. I'd see the invasion of privacy argument, but this is way beyond anything I have ever heard of.

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I think the paranoia regarding chips embedded or injected is sad. It must be dreadful to have that fear because there is no real way of discrediting it

Amy - posted on 12/04/2012

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i'd be more worried about rfid chips in vaccines. but eh, whatever they use to watch you. could be. could not be. from all the tv shows i've seen, even though they only work on campus, i'm sure nsa could still track em. there's chips in your passports too. drivers licenses soon i hear.

Kate - posted on 12/02/2012

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I think the mark of the beast thing is a little crazy.



I think the idea of having children with GPS chips on their person is scary. Would it be easy to change the system to let someone locate them all the time? I'd bet a million $ that with enough time and knowledge, someone could know the exact location of that ID badge at any given second. Granted this is the same as a cell phone, but the cell phone companies have millions invested in security to make sure that "creepers" can't just find your phone. I HIGHLY doubt the school has those kinds of resources. A school system would be way to easy to hack and find the kids....

Jodi - posted on 12/02/2012

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I have no problem with ID cards, I'm not so crazy about the locator chip, I don't know that I would necessarily transfer my child to another school over it, but I would probably be at the school board meeting where it was discussed before being implemented.



As for it being a mark of the beast, what about SS cards, library cards, gas cards, drivers licenses, voter id's, birth certificates, employee ID cards etc etc. If they protest this then I fully expect them to not have their drivers licenses or anything. I don't know much about the mark of the beast, but this just sounds like a "poo-poo on you we're not going to do what you want, and here, let me wave my Bible in your face because you can't fight religion!" kind of thing.

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Revelations is something else. There are very serious reasons why it was very nearly excluded when they were deciding which books to include and what to exclude.



Growing up in the Episcopal Church and being surrounded by Roman Catholics and being a Rainbow Girl, I never heard of this until I got online and started talking to Southern Baptists and other Evangelicals. They were the ones who also told me I wasn't a real Christian. I can thank them now because they were the impetus to my being an atheist (but that's another story.)



I think this chip/mark of the beast is an excellent example of differences in the different sects of Christianity. For some (such as again the RCC or the Episcopal Church), the preaching and teaching focuses more on your sins and how to be forgiven and what needs to be done to your fellow man. (This is my opinion fyi and may certainly be different from your own.) The more Southern Baptists or the other sects that really get into baptizing and revivals where they all have their arms waving in the air (no, I am not making light of it - it's just how I've seen them.) Those sects seem to really be into the end of the world while the faiths I grew up with focused more on your presence in the church and group things. (It's been a very long time so I apologize that my wording is not as good as it could be.)



I think it really just depends on what sect you either grew up with or were surrounded by.

Sylvia - posted on 11/29/2012

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OK, so I read a lot of dystopian SF, and I am *seriously creeped out* by the idea of implanting tracking devices in people's bodies, especially as a *requirement*. Because, hello, PRIVACY. I'm also annoyed by those commercials that imply you're an irresponsible parent if you don't give your kid a phone with a GPS locator so you can know EXACTLY where they are EVERY MINUTE -- especially when they feature teenagers. And I don't really understand why a school district needs to require students to wear an ID (we had student IDs when I was a student, but you didn't *wear* them, you carried them around with you so you could check out library books, get discounts at local stores, etc.) in the first place.



That said ... I think the parents in this story are being ridiculous. It's an ID badge. You can take it off whenever you want to -- it's not glued to your skin or even sewn onto your clothes. Heck, you could go to a different school if you hate it that much. If they wanted to make an argument that this is an absurd thing for the school district to be spending money on and that it's security theatre that doesn't actually protect anybody from anything, that's an argument I could get behind. Saying their daughter shouldn't have to wear the same ID badge that everybody else wears because it's the "mark of the beast" is just, IMO, completely ridiculous.

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the cards, though, with chips, not sure i'd care unless it were possible to hack the system and find out where the kids were at any time, and THAT would scare the living daylights out of me.

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nope. no ID chips implanted. i don't know about school IDs with chips in them. i think the college i attend has those, but they're only for purchases made with partners of the school (certain gas stations, a few restaurants, and on-campus stores). but as i never use mine it doesn't seem to make much difference.



but the IDs under the skin? that would just freak me out. i don't care, i will never let them do that to my kids willingly and with my knowledge, and if they ever did it to me i'd claw it out.



but i hate things like that. gives me the heebie jeebies.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 11/28/2012

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Makes no sense to me either, but I'm sure wondering what she and her parents are trying to hide by being so hot and heavy to not have her wear the thing...



Methinks they doth protest too much!

America3437 - posted on 11/28/2012

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Maybe the "mark of the beast" is your social security number and we all carry it?

Kristi - posted on 11/28/2012

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That's kind of what I was wondering about also, Denikka. But if that is their sincere belief how far should this be allowed to go before everybody starts jumping in the religious bandwagon and schools lose even more of what little control they have left?

Denikka - posted on 11/28/2012

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This sounds SO stupid to me.



Even removing the religious part of it (which I can't truly comment on, I have only minimal knowledge of the whole *mark of the beast* thing).

Okay, maybe I can comment a little bit. Considered *submission to a false god*?? WHAT?!?!?!? If you pay taxes, obey the laws set forth by the government, have state/provincial ID, have a SIN or a SSN number, work a government job, vote, etc etc etc, I'd say you're way more involved in *submitting to a false god* than if you're just wearing an ID badge.

What about the *false god* of commercialism? Of consumerism? I'd say those are also WAY more dangerous than a school ID (with or without a tracking chip).

The school was willing to compromise and take out the tracking device for this girl. She just needed to wear the ID.





Speaking from the *privacy* end of things, kids have had school ID's for many years. They've had ID numbers for even longer. I can remember in elementary school (mid 90's) having to remember a series of numbers, that identified me, so that that code could be used to take out library books. Honestly, I would be WAY more concerned with other forms of identification used by the government (SIN or SSN numbers, drivers license, health card numbers, etc) being used to track us than I ever would be about a simple school ID, even one with a microchip.





I'm sorry, but this girl, and her family, just sound like nut jobs to me. At this point, they got what they originally wanted (no tracking chip) and now they're demanding more. I wouldn't be surprised if this went beyond just the ID badge/school transfer and the family started to demand monetary compensation for all the *pain and suffering* and *religious persecution* they're dealing with. . . .

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