Sex selection abortion

Katherine - posted on 06/01/2012 ( 30 moms have responded )

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In yet another attempt by conservative politicians to tell us what we can and cannot do with our lady parts, House Representative Trent Franks of Arizona authored a bill to make abortions based on sex-selection illegal.

The bill, which required a two-thirds majority to pass, failed with a vote of 246-168. Had the measure passed, it would have placed doctors in the difficult position of being responsible for determining a woman’s motive for requesting an abortion. Some Asian-American organizations feared it could also cause racial profiling of Asian-American women. Sex-selection abortions are more common in Asian countries due to laws limiting the number of children each household can have to one.

The legislation would have made it a federal offense to perform an abortion on a woman who has chosen to abort because she is unhappy with the sex of her child and would carry a five year prison sentence for doctors found in violation.

Franks said there was evidence that sex-selection abortions were already occurring in the U.S. particularly among ethnic groups from countries where there is a preference for baby boys, which doesn’t sound like racial profiling at all.

A representative from the National Women’s Law Center, Marcia Greenberger, said that the bill discriminates against women by ”subjecting women from certain racial and ethnic backgrounds to additional scrutiny about their decision to terminate a pregnancy.”

Conservatives are touting sex-selection abortions as a “war on baby girls” despite the fact that there is no evidence that the gender of a baby plays any significant role in the majority of abortions in the U.S. While recent census data did show some evidence of son preference in Asian-American households, the overall U.S. sex ratio at birth in 2005 was 105 boys to 100 girls, well within biologically normal parameters.

What are your thoughts?

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Krista - posted on 06/01/2012

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I love this quote: "Yet Canada has a relatively low rate of abortion compared to other industrialized countries and one of the lowest rates of abortion-related complications and maternal mortality in the world. Over 90% of abortions are performed before 12 weeks gestation, and 98% before 16 weeks gestation.[1]
These statistics prove that no laws are needed to regulate or reduce abortions, and that women
and doctors can be trusted to exercise the right responsibly."



Imagine...treating women as though they actually are grown adults who can make their own choices. Who woulda thunk it?

Lady Heather - posted on 06/01/2012

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The reason it's like that in Canada is that the government basically got fed up trying to figure out when life begins so they just decided that maybe the women could take care of it themselves. Nobody gets to 35 weeks and says "fuck this baby thing". Just doesn't happen.

Rosie - posted on 06/01/2012

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as much as i dislike someone aborting a baby simply based off it's sex, the outcome is not any different than any other abortion. you take away any reason women want abortions and you might as well take them all away...at least one reason will never be good enough for some people. i simply cannot deny a woman to do what she wants with her own body, to me that is worse than abortion based off of sex.

and as for an attack on females...why do they assume only females are being aborted?

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Kidman - posted on 05/22/2013

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I agree with the anti-abortionists in one area: that there is no difference between aborting a baby because of gender and aborting it because of rape or disorder. I have had a gender selective abortion because I wanted a girl and I think any pro-choice moms who attack me are nothing but hypocrites.

Becky - posted on 06/06/2012

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I think the idea of aborting a baby based on gender is disgusting, but, how is the doctor going to determine that that is the woman's reason? If it's illegal to abort based on gender and that's what she's doing, she'll just lie. This law being passed would just lead to doctors arbitrarily denying women abortions based on their own stereotypes, which, as much as I hate abortion, if it's going to be legal, it needs to be legal across the board.
Abortion is legal up to birth in Canada, but it would be difficult to find many doctors willing to perform a late-term abortion without a compelling medical reason.

Erin - posted on 06/06/2012

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Well basically abortion is murder of a defensless baby. So that being said I see no reason why issue of reason or sex should matter. It would make much more sense to me to illegalize the endless legal murder of defensless being in whole and not in part. Sorry gals I just don't agree with my body my choice when it comes to killing babies. It's their body and did anyone give the babies a choice? Nope.

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This is 2 months old already, but I am sure many of you saw this article:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/10...


Arizona lawmakers gave final passage to three anti-abortion bills Tuesday afternoon, including one that declares pregnancies in the state begin two weeks before conception.

The Republican-controlled House of Representatives passed a bill to prohibit abortions after the 18th week of pregnancy; a bill to protect doctors from being sued if they withhold health information about a pregnancy that could cause a woman to seek an abortion; and a bill to mandate that how school curriculums address the topic of unwanted pregnancies.

All of the bills passed the Senate and now head to Gov. Jan Brewer (R) for her signature or veto.

The 18th week bill includes a new definition for when pregnancy begins. A sentence in the bill defines gestational age as "calculated from the first day of the last menstrual period of the pregnant woman," which would move the beginning of a pregnancy up two weeks prior to conception. The bill's passage would give Arizona the earliest cutoff for late-term abortions in the country; most states use 20 weeks as a definition.

But while the bill's definition of when pregnancy begins is new in legislation, it's not necessarily new for doctors. Elizabeth Nash, states issues manager for Guttmacher Institute, a reproductive health research organization in Washington, said it corresponds with how doctors typically determine gestational age. She said since the exact date of conception cannot be pinpointed, doctors use the day of the woman's last menstrual period to gauge the duration of a pregnancy. The method does not provide an exact date.

"It will have some impact, from what we understand there are abortions provided at that point in Arizona," Nash said. "It will reduce access."

Nash said nationally, 1.5 percent of abortions in the U.S. occur after the 21st week and 3.8 percent occur between the 16th and 20th weeks. She said the bill would violate U.S. Supreme Court rulings on abortion by mandating a cutoff date that is before viability and not having enough provisions for late-term abortions needed to protect a woman's health.




State Rep. Kimberly Yee (R-Phoenix), the bill's sponsor, was not immediately available for comment. Her assistant said that Yee, a former aide to former California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R), was voting on the House floor.

State Rep. Matt Heinz (D-Tucson), a physician, said he did not want the state to set the gestational age since science could not provide a precise one. "I imagine it will be a legal dispute. How can a judge determine gestational age?" Heinz said. "If medical science can only determine gestational age to within 10-14 days, how can a superior court judge do it?"

The other two bills passed by the House include the state's "wrongful birth, wrongful life" bill that prohibits lawsuits against doctors who do not provide information about a fetus' health if that information could lead to an abortion. In addition, parents cannot sue on the child's behalf after birth.

The third bill requires that schools teach students that adoption and birth are the most acceptable outcomes for an unwanted pregnancy.

All three bills are now headed to Brewer's desk for her review. The governor has not announced a position on the bills, which is her practice, but her spokesman indicated that Brewer has a long commitment to pro-life issues.

Clarification: This text has been altered since its original publication to clarify that the bill's definition of when pregnancy begins is new specifically to state legislation.


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Arizona's new bill allowed for an abortion up to 18 weeks, which took away 2 weeks. The law previously was no abortions past 20 weeks regardless of the health condition of the baby or the mother.

I learned my son was a BOY at 16 weeks, 6 days.

I am in Arizona.

Sally - posted on 06/02/2012

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@Katherine, i didn't mean to hit funny. It happened when i was scrolling on my phone, sorry.
Im pleased this didn't pass because im pro choice but i have to say the idea of someone doing it because of sex, makes me feel sick.

Jodi - posted on 06/01/2012

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I agree it isn't accurate.....but there are plenty of people out there who believe it is.

Janice - posted on 06/01/2012

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The pee on gender predictor is not accurate. I know, I tried it and it was wrong.

Meme, that was very helpful.

Not sure why I thought 14 weeks was the norm cut off for abortion, excluding medical issues of course. Learn something new every day!

Jodi - posted on 06/01/2012

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But MeMe, is that legal for the mother to choose, or the doctor to choose? I know there are states here in Australia where it is legal, but that is not necessarily allowable by the mother's choice, it has simply been decriminilised for doctors to abort on a medical basis.

Katherine - posted on 06/01/2012

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That's sad Meme. I definitely don't agree with that. Unless there are extenuating circumstances.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/01/2012

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Here in Canada, abortion is legal right up to the very end. Although 98% occur within the first 16 weeks.

Jodi - posted on 06/01/2012

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Isn't there a pregnancy test now that can determine gender? Like a pee test or something (not that I'd trust it).

Janice, timing on legal abortion is different everywhere. Some places allow it beyond first trimester.

Janice - posted on 06/01/2012

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Wait a minute, how does a women know what she is having in the first trimester anyways?

Yes, some women do get the 12 week ultra sound and blood work and IF the results come back "suspicious" then they are offered an amnio which can tell the sex of the baby. However, very few woman even get an amniocentesis while the majority must wait until between 18-22 weeks to get a gender determining ultrasound.

I thought women with a healthy baby and pregnancy could not get an abortion past the 1st trimester. Am I wrong? If I am right than how would anyone know when they decided?

I am definitely against abortion based on gender but I just don't believe it happens very often. Also as others stated it's impossible to prove unless a women out right states that is the reason. So this bill is a bit ridiculous.

Katherine - posted on 06/01/2012

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arizona always seems to have some effed up bills trying to pass.....

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Fuck Arizona....hahaha!

I know, that contributes alot!

So glad it didn't pass, BUT, the bill is going to be rewritten and with careful select wording, it will go back on the floor. That was from the idiot who sponsored the bill and I saw that on the 5 o'clock news.

Jodi - posted on 06/01/2012

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As abhorrent as it is to me to decide to abort a baby purely based on sex, to suggest that there should be a law against it is pointless anyway. Please tell me how many women would still have the abortion based on sex if they chose to? Of course they would. They just wouldn't give that as the reason for the abortion, right?

Lady Heather - posted on 06/01/2012

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Pretty ridiculous. How is the doctor supposed to know the motive? Lie detector test? I'm quite sure no one ever says "omg abort this kid now because I don't want a girl". Sucks, but the only thing that can stop these abortions is education and time.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/01/2012

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Yeah, I am glad it did not pass....makes me sick, really...

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