She quits Christianity!

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Jenny - posted on 08/08/2010

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You can word it however you want and try to convince yourself it's not bigotry. Denying equal rights to citizens to form families of their choosing is WRONG. No ifs, ands or buts about it. That's where my morals lay.

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 08/08/2010

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Im with Jenny
I too have gay and lesbian friends and the fact that most religions view there love for one another a sin is outrageous to me.

This is off the subject a bit, but its very similar…..something that was considered a sin and “Morally” wrong
At one time the love of a black man and white women was considered a sin, it could get that man tortured and killed, teaching slaves to read was wrong and illegal…….that to could get the individual killed or punished.

Tanya - posted on 08/09/2010

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My main problem with Christianity is that god created evil and then punishes people for being evil.

An evil man goes out a rapes children. The children suffer for the rest of their lives. God punishes the man by sending him to hell. Where did the evil come from? Satan. Who created Satan? God.

I do think we have to get over all the bigotry.

Jerry Falwell on 9/11.

I do find that a lot of christians that I know are still against inter racial dating. We do have one Methodist church in the area that is pro gay! That does make me happy.

I think it is funny how many christians are against gay marriage because that is what the bibles say but they would never stone their own children. Why do they get to pick and choose?

In my personal experience I know a lot of christians IRL and on COM that are judgmental, rude, and condescending.
" it doesn't sound like she was much of a Christian to start, "

Barbara - posted on 08/09/2010

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A psychotic is someone born without a moral compass, like being born without a leg or something. They are mentally crippled.
People who kill in the name of God are not usually psychotic, or even "crazy."

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Shelley - posted on 08/11/2010

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Great question
Short answer no its a godly concept
Long answer
Where it comes from: In the beguining god created Adam and Eve gardens plants animals ect you've probably herd the story. Eveything was going along great and they had 1 rule don't eat from this tree.
Anyway satan tempted Eve and she ate from the tree as did Adam ok this tree gave the knowledge of good and evil so this is where they realised what they did was wrong,
They realised they were naked and felt shame and they realised that this changed their relationship with god this is why we don't all have that god feeling like he's real ect.

Shelley - posted on 08/11/2010

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God gives us all free will we can do and be whatever we want to be he has the power to intervene but he doesn't have to.
That said as christians we often become proud and that leads to being judgemental of others in order that we can make ourselves feel better. The thing is this doesn't work it just makes us look bad to the rest of society and it doesn't fix our relationship with god.
When you become a christian you choose to follow gods principles as best you can we always stuff up and its gods love and grace that helps us along.
We as Christians have no right to dictate, set rules or even become the moral policemen of society we need to work harder at taking the log out of our own eyes before we start taking the speck out of anyone elses.
God gave free will so we have no right to attempt to take it away from others we can offer our oppinion and we can work to help others to see another way but at the end of the day it is my belief that its their freewill given by god and their god given right to use it as they please. We know the consequence but they are free to agree or disagree with that.

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"Oh holy night.. God didn't create evil. Lucipher did (the devil). He was jealous that Jesus was the son of God and wanted to be the one everyone worshipped, so he went from being a follower, to being anti- Jesus so he could have his own followers."

Isaiah 45:7 (King James Version)

7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Iris - posted on 08/10/2010

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"Oh holy night.. God didn't create evil. Lucipher did (the devil). He was jealous that Jesus was the son of God and wanted to be the one everyone worshipped, so he went from being a follower, to being anti- Jesus so he could have his own followers."



As a mother I see it as a bad parenting on Gods part; throw the naughty, less favorite in the basement for being jealous. What would that say about us if we did that? Even though he wasn't son of God he was his creation. Just an entertaining thought..

Tanya - posted on 08/10/2010

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Yes but god made satan. He knew what would happen. So maybe he just wanted to give satan a chance. Why not just un-make him when he started to become too proud. Instead god stood by and let him trick angel into hell. Now if satan is so powerful that he can trick angel who can see god everyday how would human ever stand a chance, So why let him bother us. Why not just lock him hell right away and let us live in peace.

Also lucifer and satan are not the same person.
The word "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12 presents a minor problem to mainstream Christianity. It becomes a much larger problem to Bible literalists, and becomes a huge obstacle for the claims of Mormonism. John J. Robinson in A Pilgrim's Path, pp. 47-48 explains:

"Lucifer makes his appearance in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, at the twelfth verse, and nowhere else: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"
Listen to Isaiah - Chapter 14 (King James Version) from blueletterbible.org.

The first problem is that Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language? To find the answer, I consulted a scholar at the library of the Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati. What Hebrew name, I asked, was Satan given in this chapter of Isaiah, which describes the angel who fell to become the ruler of hell?

The answer was a surprise. In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer."

C. - posted on 08/10/2010

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"My main problem with Christianity is that god created evil and then punishes people for being evil."



Oh holy night.. God didn't create evil. Lucipher did (the devil). He was jealous that Jesus was the son of God and wanted to be the one everyone worshipped, so he went from being a follower, to being anti- Jesus so he could have his own followers.

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"I'm confused as to why this simple conversion from christianity is news worthy at all? who gives a fuck?"

A celebrity can't fart without it making a headline, that's why.

Sharon - posted on 08/09/2010

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If we didn't have religion to bash on, who would we blame for our psychotics? You do know pyschotics pick aliens just as often as "god" for their poor choices. Even our insane can't own their fuck ups. Damn.

Barbara - posted on 08/09/2010

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Throughout history, every time our culture has attempted to take a great step forward in terms of equality, religion has been against it. I'm talking about abolishing slavery, giving women the right to vote, equal rights for black people, and now this whole gay marriage thing.
I think it all comes down to the fact that when you prescribe to a certain religious belief system, very often you forfeit your own ability to decide what is right and what is wrong. It becomes about obedience to "God" meaning the dictates of the religion you are a part of. So it makes it much harder to change, even for the better, because people are afraid they are going against the Word of God.
Barring the pshycopaths, we are all born with a moral compass that tells you what's right and what's wrong. Religion overrides that ability in many people, causing terrorism, "holy wars," bigotry, "God told me to do it" murder, oppression, etc. I remember the feeling when I was a little Catholic girl, knowing I was supposed to believe in things that I just couldn't believe, no matter how hard I tried. And I did try. It left me feeling really guilty, convinced I was going straight to Hell. Now that I'm out of it I feel much more "morally correct" if that makes any sense;)

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I didn't read the article and I just kind of scanned the responses. Yeah, being lazy today. Anyway, like some others have said, "who cares?"

Also, I see the gay marriage debate has come up. I don't understand why Christians expect everyone to follow the morals of our religion when they don't follow our religion. So, I'm anti-gay marriage within the Christian church. But outside of the church, who cares? Why should non-Christians be expected to follow Christian rules?

As far as marrying outside of the race, the verse comes from the fact that God didn't want the Israelite to marry outside of their religion and follow other gods.

Here is Deuteronomy 7:4:
4"For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the LORD will be kindled against you and He will quickly destroy you.

Isobel - posted on 08/09/2010

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she ended up writing some pretty pro-christian books after the Lestat and Lasher series' didn't she? Not that I care.

and for the record the bible also specifically states that you ARE allowed to own slaves...does the bible make slavery OK? how come slavery's not legal?

sham...

Tania - posted on 08/09/2010

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I'm with Jenny on this too. I have never heard a Christian say why they are anti gay or anti gay marriage with out quoting the bible.
Anyway I'm gladd she is hopefully going to write her books as dirty as ever.
Thank god.

Sharon - posted on 08/09/2010

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I'm confused as to why this simple conversion from christianity is news worthy at all? who gives a fuck?

Tara - posted on 08/09/2010

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Anti gay marriage = anti gay in my books.
I'm with Jenny on this one.
So she decided to drop the religious dogma and move on... so what millions of people drop in and out of religions every day.
She saw there were more flaws than truths and decided to try something new ~~~ thinking for herself. :)

Jenny - posted on 08/09/2010

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Who cares if it's mentioned in the bible? Not everyone is a Christian and you have no right to legally impose your "morals" on others. I don't believe in your bible. Give me one good reason to deny gay marriage that doesn't use religion.

*Lisa* - posted on 08/09/2010

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I don't see what the big deal is about. People convert in and out of religions all the time. I heard Julia Roberts has converted to Hinduism... *GASP*!!!

Julie - posted on 08/09/2010

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re: ""something that was considered a sin and “Morally” wrong"

Yes, it was considered 'morally wrong' but it was never mentioned in the Bible.. So what does that have anything to do with Christianity??
Homosexuality- mentioned in the Bible.. Marrying outside of your RACE- NOT in the Bible."

Does it matter if it isn't in the Bible? If your preacher/priest, whomever is harping AGAINST anything, that is what the "good, church-goers" will follow. The Bible is NOT the end-all, be-all when it comes to Christianity. A very large part, but not all.

I agree with her, for the most part. I was raised Catholic and find much of it to be hypocritical and mean. I am currently between religions , but if I had to pick a denomination right now, I'd consider Episcopalian. Perhaps when I get back to that part of my life I'll find something completely different.

I agree with Jenny: "Organised religion is a sham." I really feel that "man" can have all the good intentions, but having all that power WILL corrupt. Maybe not initially, but eventually, all power-positions will become corrupt.

C. - posted on 08/09/2010

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"something that was considered a sin and “Morally” wrong"



Yes, it was considered 'morally wrong' but it was never mentioned in the Bible.. So what does that have anything to do with Christianity??

Homosexuality- mentioned in the Bible.. Marrying outside of your RACE- NOT in the Bible.

Jenny - posted on 08/08/2010

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And even though interracial marriage is not explicitly mentioned in the constitution it was deemed unconstitutional to deny them. As it should be.

Jessica - posted on 08/08/2010

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Ha, I love Anne Rice, loved her books before and now I respect her more so. I'm sure this comment will piss people off, but my opinion is that people can be smart and dumb all at once. Ie- Street smart vs Book smart, and when it comes to religion I think even the smartest people in the world can be dumb, and that believing in the bible as truth is the part of that person that is dumb or ignorant. Thank goodness she smartened up. :)

C. - posted on 08/08/2010

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You have your opinion, Jenny, and I have mine. Don't force your opinion of organized religion being a 'sham' on anyone.

Anyway, no it doesn't. I have many gay and lesbian friends and they know I am anti-gay MARRIAGE. They have no problem with that at all. It's about what you think is right. I think people can love who they choose. I may not want to do it and I may think it is wrong, but it's their choice nonetheless. But you have to draw the line somewhere when it comes to morals.

Jenny - posted on 08/08/2010

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'You can be against gay marriage, but that doesn't make you 'anti-gay'."

It really does though. LBGT people marrying doesn't affect you so being against it has no other reason than you not agreeing with "their lifestyle".

Good for her for seeing the light. Organised religion is a sham.

C. - posted on 08/08/2010

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Yeah, I only watched a few minutes. Blah, blah, blah.. Look, it's not that being a Christian is a bad thing and being a Christian doesn't mean you can't befriend gays/lesbians or love them as people. You can be against gay marriage, but that doesn't make you 'anti-gay'. It just means that you have different views on marriage. That's a load of BS.

Also, I know several Christian Democrats, so I don't really understand her reasonings.

She was a Christian for 12 years, a PUBLIC Christian for 5- meaning she was ashamed of it. Why do it if you're ashamed of it?? And it seems to me that she doesn't really know all of what being a Christian entails, either. She's full of contradictions (as far as what she believes vs. what a 'Christian' is in her mind), and honestly, it doesn't sound like she was much of a Christian to start, so why is she making such a big fuss?

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