should black people just get over it?

Rosie - posted on 04/19/2010 ( 12 moms have responded )

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i have been wondering about this myself for a while and have been to afraid to put it up in fear of how i would come across. i've been feeling for sometime that there's been some type of racism towards whites. i'm not saying that there's any comparison betwen what blacks have suffered with and what whites are dealing with, i'm just so tired of the philosophy that you hurt me i'll hurt you back. it seems like it's a never ending cycle between the 2 races. yet black people seem to be getting away with it because IMO they feel they have been hurt more and it's time to get even.



i stated in the walmart post that if people would just stop bringing racism up, i feel it would eventually get a hell of a lot better. (so here i am bringing it up, i know, i'm hypocritical). but my kids have no clue what being black is, and they're 10, 5 and 3, and i feel that's because it's never been mentioned to them. i think they feel being black is about as different as someone having brown hair, while another has blonde. that's how i would like things to be, and all this back and forth crap doesn't help. am i being unreasonable to think this, or do you agree?



i know this is a very hot topic, so please play nice.

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Tah - posted on 04/19/2010

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WOW!!!!!.so now white people are being discriminated against..okay so which one of you ladies have had someone tell you you reminded them of their maid and could you come wash their windows, or requested a white nurse because they didn't want your black hands on them. , How many of your sons have been called nigger in school and had the parents say that they would not be punishing their child because that's how they taught him. How many people have been or know someone who was racially profiled...How many people have been followed around a store or told they weren't welcome in the store.



WHo has been told by their neighbors that their daughter isn't allowed to play their black son if her husband is home because their will be hell to pay, but she doesn't mind because her house hasn't been robbed...or that their husband didnt make cheif for so long because a black man and then a mexican women got it and the military has to make quotas..i mean the fact that they were better qualifed could never have been the reason correct...thats great....



This is just the kind of thread a person who could care less about others would start. You want to pretend it doesn't exist, because for you it doesn't..so why would you need to talk about it when you won't ever experience it. As Mary Elizabeth said, people need to be aware of whats going on...but you keep ignoring it and it makes you no better...You don;t get a cookie for teaching your children to be color bind..because that is what they should be taught..but trust me, for every person teaching that to their child their are 2 teaching their kids to only see color. There are things you will never know, and things you will never have to teach your kids or see your kids go through, like your straight a track star son going to jail because his girlefriend was caught with him in the house and when her racist parents got home early she started screaming he tried to rape her..she eventually had a change of heart and told the truth...but that's something you don't want to talk about..or how people discriminate based on name on an application..so i named my last 2 children names that would not be easily recognized as black...sydney and Rylan...but lets keep hush hush about that also...it must be nice to live in a world where if you dont talk about things, they disappear, i guess you have unicorns in your backyard also..your no better than someone who is racist, because you dont want to acknowledge something that doesn;t affect you and if means you have to be PC sometimes then you just want to ignore it and expect people who suffer with it everyday to ignore it also...you are a piece of work.....get over yourself...

Rosie - posted on 04/19/2010

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i knew i shouldn't have started this, i'm sorry, i thought we could talk nice. i thought wrong. i'm locking it. sorry if i offended anyone. it truly wasn't my intention.

Caitlin - posted on 04/19/2010

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I'm not so sure about how it is in the states, butI feel up here in canada, sometimes i'm the victim of I guess it's "reverse racism". On job forms they ask if you are a "visible minority" because of affirmative action, sometimes a visible minority is given preferential posting because of this policy, especially for government jobs.

Please know I am by no means racist, I have a ton of friends of all colours/genders/religions or whatever, but seriously, some black people bring it on themselves (NOTE: i said some). Their gangs and music and general attitudes are quie the putoff, not to mention us "crackers" are like scum to them. Up here we have a big problem with "indigenous peoples" as well. In my honest opinion, just integrate already! It's only people that draw attention to the fact that they are different that bug me. how many times i've heard "you're only saying/doing that because i'm black/asian etc.." it's really quite sad.

Caitlin - posted on 04/19/2010

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Tah - I said it may be different up here, but I'm white.. I was the most picked on in school with black kids, muslim kids and jewish kids.. I have eczema and had scabs and scars on my legs when I was a kid - they cxalled me skin disease and threw things at me, spat on me and never let me play games with them. Kids are cruel to ANYONE that's different, I don't think ignoring race is the way to raise kids actually, I think it's important to acknowledge that yes, that child has black skin, and that child has squinty eyes, but inside, we are all the same..

As for the "nigger" comment, while innappropriate for sure, why is there a double standard where black kids call each other nigger all the time, but everyone gawks is a white person says it. If it's not appropriate, NOBODY should be using it (god knows I never do). I guess things are different where I live up here, i'm a minority up here.. i'm english, and about 85% of the people living around here are french, there is discrimination, but for the most part, I think it's getting better.

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Quoting OP:
" if people would just stop bringing racism up, i feel it would eventually get a hell of a lot better."

* The problem with this statement, and with this whole idea is that "racism" is not about some historical incedent that is already over and past. It is STILL a problem because people of color continue to be treated as second class citizens in this country. There are some states, communities, areas of the nation that have done a better job than others; however, a quick glance at the statistics about poverty, level of education, life expectancy, etc. would tell you all you need to know about how people of color are treated in this country. They can't "get over it" because it's still happening to them! The only way it might get better is if we KEEP talking about it, so that the discrepancies begin to outrage everyone, and we can really do something to alter the situation!

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September - posted on 04/19/2010

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Yes Laci! You hit the nail right on the head! BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE WORLD! This thread is not helping the cause!

LaCi - posted on 04/19/2010

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Its not about ignoring a problem, its about ignoring people with racial prejudices. I think the point is to forget the past and move on with life. I think so much focus on racism or concern for whats acceptable in attempt to not offend only further separates people, its all about not focusing on it, and when a time comes when everyone stops focusing on it the problem is solved. Be the change, is what I mean.

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"however, a quick glance at the statistics about poverty, level of education, life expectancy, etc. would tell you all you need to know about how people of color are treated in this country. "

I think that has less to do with race and more to do with socioeconomic status. While the statistics show high portions of those with lower socioeconomic status as being black, I don't think it reflects current racial prejudices but past racial prejudices. Statistically any given person will only manage to rise or fall a very small amount socioeconomically within their lifetime, the fact that there once was so much prejudice accounts for those statistics. Its very difficult for anyone to take a step up the economic ladder, regardless of race. I don't believe the highly disproportionate statistics on poverty reflect current attitudes, personally. I think they reflect the past. Maybe I'm just in a really great area, but I honestly just don't see black/white racism being a huge problem anymore. I do see more of a problem with the treatment of hispanics than anyone else, but we somehow are still stuck in the black and white racial ordeal. I also rarely see people stick up for the hispanic population.

Rosie - posted on 04/19/2010

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jess lyn said this in the walmart thread and i agree 100% .

" But if that situation was reveresed and it was a black kid pulling a stupid prank on white people, do you think it would over dramatic for a white lady to say she was never going back to wal mart..... I think that would be considered racist due to the suggestion that she would fear black wal mart shoppers !"

it's my point exactly. if it were a black person doing this, we'd all think the white lady was being overdramatic, and even be considered racist. i don't like that way of thinking, it's alright for me to do, but not for you because of what i've been through. how do we know that if the situation was reversed that the white lady hadn't been attacked by a black person before or something that would cause her to be afraid. we most definitely would tell her to get over it, and she would be considered racist for being afraid of all black people because of her experience with a black person. i just don't like the double standard is all. i want equality and it can't happen when we treat the same situations differently because of race.

i do fully stand by my feelings that if we just stopped talking about it, i feel racism would drop drastically in future generations. i do agree that black peoples struggles throughout history needs to be talked about, but there is a fine line, like dana pointed out. all i know is the results i've seen from my kids, and the results throughout our history that ive seen from talking about it so much, and the results with my kids is positive, the other not so much.

i really hope i'm not coming off as a complete racist pig, because i'm not. this is really hard for me to write, and i'm trying hard not to offend, and i'm sorry if i have. :)

LaCi - posted on 04/19/2010

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I think it's wise to ignore race altogether. I do feel that the constant focus on racism and race just perpetuates what we're trying to get away from. Of course hate crimes shouldn't be tolerated, but I think it's best to just ignore those crazies who preach hatred, and the people who get hung up on it.

September - posted on 04/19/2010

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The way that I like to look at life in general is to treat people how I would like to be treated regardless of a person’s skin color, status, job, sex etc. I do not waste my time thinking about whether or not a black person should just "get over it" in fact there are many other people of color that struggle with racism as well. For me it's about doing my part in helping bring change and also raising my children to understand that a person is a person, and color means nothing at all. Being part of a bi-racial family has been a blessing and huge learning lesson for me and my family. We are all human and should be treated that way! :)

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I think ur brave! LOL! I do kind of get what ur saying but I don't know if I'd be brave enough to say, " GET OVER IT! ".......like Tah pointed out we have no idea what personal experiences someone has gone thru or why they feel or act a certain way, so while I DO think that some people need to quit dwelling on the past and move forward in a positive manner, I also think that we need to show compassion for our fellow human beings......for me, there's a fine line between the two!

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