Should "Fatties" Get a Room? (Even on TV?)

Charlie - posted on 10/28/2010 ( 106 moms have responded )

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NOTE : this was NOT written by me , this is a headline and an article written for Marie Claire and has caused OUTRAGE amongst readers who tore strips from the writer , how do you feel about the article ?

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The other day, my editor asked me, "Do you really think people feel uncomfortable when they see overweight people making out on television?"



Because I can be kind of clueless — I'm not much of a TV person — I had no idea what she was talking about, so she steered me to this CNN article, about the CBS sitcom Mike & Molly. As CNN explains, "the show centers around a couple who meet at an Overeaters Anonymous group [and] has drawn complaints for its abundance of fat jokes [as well as] cries from some viewers who aren't comfortable watching intimacy between two plus-sized actors."



My initial response was: Hmm, being overweight is one thing — those people are downright obese! And while I think our country's obsession with physical perfection is unhealthy, I also think it's at least equally crazy, albeit in the other direction, to be implicitly promoting obesity! Yes, anorexia is sick, but at least some slim models are simply naturally skinny. No one who is as fat as Mike and Molly can be healthy. And obesity is costing our country far more in terms of all the related health problems we are paying for, by way of our insurance, than any other health problem, even cancer.



So anyway, yes, I think I'd be grossed out if I had to watch two characters with rolls and rolls of fat kissing each other ... because I'd be grossed out if I had to watch them doing anything. To be brutally honest, even in real life, I find it aesthetically displeasing to watch a very, very fat person simply walk across a room — just like I'd find it distressing if I saw a very drunk person stumbling across a bar or a heroine addict slumping in a chair.



Now, don't go getting the wrong impression: I have a few friends who could be called plump. I'm not some size-ist jerk. And I also know how tough it can be for truly heavy people to psych themselves up for the long process of slimming down. (For instance, the overweight maintenance guy at my gym has talked to me a little bit about how it seems worthless for him to even try working out, because he's been heavy for as long as he can remember.)



But ... I think obesity is something that most people have a ton of control over. It's something they can change, if only they put their minds to it.



(I'm happy to give you some nutrition and fitness suggestions if you need them — but long story short, eat more fresh and unprocessed foods, read labels and avoid foods with any kind of processed sweetener in them whether it's cane sugar or high fructose corn syrup, increase the amount of fiber you're getting, get some kind of exercise for 30 minutes at least five times a week, and do everything you can to stand up more — even while using your computer — and walk more. I admit that there's plenty that makes slimming down tough, but YOU CAN DO IT! Trust me. It will take some time, but you'll also feel so good, physically and emotionally. A nutritionist or personal trainer will help — and if you can't afford one, visit your local YMCA for some advice.)



Then again, I guess these characters are in Overeaters Anonymous. So ... points for trying?



Then again, I tend to think most television shows are a kind of junk food for the mind and body. The boob tube gives us an excuse to turn off both our brains and our bodies and probably does a helluva lot to contribute to the obesity problem, over all. So ... I don't know.



What do you guys think? Fat people making out on TV — are you cool with it? Do you think I'm being an insensitive jerk?



http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/dati...



She has edited after the outrage but i felt you need to see the original article before reading the apology .

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Krista - posted on 10/29/2010

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I'm a fatty and yes, I am grossed out by fatties snogging. I totally agree with the author. Fat people should be shamed till they are healthy, I have been shamed for it and so far I have lost one and a half stone.

Along with your sense of decency, evidently...

How DARE you? How freaking DARE you say something like that?

If being shamed made fat people thin, there would be no fat people, because trust me, honey -- there is already PLENTY of shame being directed our way.

Fuck, you think fat people AREN'T being shamed? Seriously? Fat people are shamed just about every damned day, in overt and subtle ways. From muttered comments, to glances at our fucking grocery carts, to having to slink out of the shoe store empty-handed because knee-high boots won't zip past our ankles, to the constant "concerned" reminders about our health, trust me, we are being shamed, and then some. And you know what being shamed does, for most of us? It sends us to fucking McDonalds. It sends us to the bottom of a bag of chips. It sends us to a tub of Ben & Jerry's. Because that shit makes us feel better. And then it makes us feel worse, and then we're ashamed of our fucking SELVES.

So no, we should not be shamed until we are healthy. We should be accepted, and if we DO want to lose weight, we should be HELPED and ENCOURAGED.

So congratulations on your weight loss. Seriously. That's an awesome accomplishment. But please do not become one of those ugly ex-fat individuals who becomes really judgmental and nasty towards fat people. You've been in their shoes, and they are not always the easiest shoes to walk in.

Krista - posted on 10/31/2010

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I was on about GPs and PROFFESIONALS being brutally blunt to SAVE LIVES.

You're backpedaling. What does "yes, I am grossed out by fatties snogging" have to do with your opinion that the medical industry is not direct enough when it comes to obesity? You made absolutely NO mention of doctors in your initial statement, and then you get angry at us for not reading your mind and not automatically knowing that you were referring to doctors?

You know, the funny thing is that in one way, I agree with you. I think that if a person IS obese that the doctor should bring it up. Not in a hateful way, but just as a direct, "Your weight is at the point where it's going to cause health issues for you. Let's talk about it." type of statement.

But reading that initial post of yours, I really don't think you ARE coming from a place of concern. This statement of yours is VERY telling:

"it is detrimental to the tax payers who funded that triple bypass that didn't work because you just HAD to stop off at KFC on your way home."

You prefaced that statement with "most importantly". So the thing that you found most important was not the health of obese people, not the health of their kids, but what those lazy, selfish, weak fat people might COST you.

So, complain all you like about people ganging up on you, but when you make extremely nasty statements about an entire group of people, leave out relevant information, and appear to be coming from a place of pure self-interest, do you HONESTLY think that people are going to say, "Oh well, that's her opinion."?

That's the joy of freedom of speech. You have a right to state your opinion, and everybody else has the right to tell you PRECISELY what they think of the opinion that you have just stated. And that's what we've done.

Or, in the words of my nana, "Don't write cheques that your ass can't cash."

Amie - posted on 10/31/2010

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"I find it funny that your more concerned about the swearing then the blatant bullying they are attempting."

No one is ganging up on you. When you hold an unpopular opinion, as your original post stated, then be prepared for others to vehemently disagree with you.

We are not here to make sure everyone gets along. We are here to make sure No THUMPS is followed.

Amie ~ DM mod.

Amie - posted on 10/30/2010

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Jessica,

It's great that you completely skipped over the entire premise of my post and dissected it to what you thought I was saying.



Being "nice" and "sheltering" over weight people (it is quite offensive that you keep calling them fatties, whether you are one or not) is not what I mean. You (general you here) CAN get your point across without being a dick about it.



Well most people can anyway. There's a jerk off in every bunch.

Krista - posted on 11/01/2010

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I just don't understand why anybody thinks it's their damn business to concern themselves with other people's appearances. If I see someone who is alarmingly, deathly skinny, or alarmingly, deathly fat, I will probably THINK to myself, "Oh, that poor woman." But where the hell do people get off thinking it's okay to comment negatively on another person's personal appearance like that? Whether I'm heavy or thin, that's nobody's business besides mine, my doctor's, and the man who has to see me naked on a regular basis.

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wow lyndsay. you sound like a really misguided person. did you not read some of the shit people wrote above? yeah, obesity is 'natural' and can not always be controlled. man, pass judgement much?

Charlie - posted on 11/01/2010

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LOL Jocelyn i love the word voluptous and curvy , i remember after having Harry Jamie grabbed me around the waist and welcomed my curves back !

Dana - posted on 11/01/2010

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I agree, it's definitely in how it's delivered. That being said, it always makes me uncomfortable, even if someone is trying to be complimentary about it. I just always end up feeling guilty for something I just AM.

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I loved others saying how lovely i looked , even if its said like..you look better with a bit of meat on your bones..pregnant on my first child this was....i loved my new curves and my boobs lol..i wish i still had them.:-)didnt get them on the second, just lost weight and even more after she was born..

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I hate pretty much any word that relates to my being overweight. Slice it up however you want, I'm still fat! Not for long though, bitches....



Seriously though, I really didn't realize that "skinny" was innapropriate. When I was thinner, I didn't mind when someone refered to me as skinny, no matter how they said it. I guess it has a lot to do with people's perception of themselves too! I was excited when someone refered to me as skinny, especially if I had just lost weight!

Krista - posted on 11/01/2010

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Yep, it's all how you phrase it. I would much rather be called "curvy" or even "big", instead of being called "fat" or "an eye-gougingly horrific tub of glistening lard."

But maybe that's just me. :)

Oh, and can we PLEASE declare a moratorium on big girls being called "chunky"? Fuck, I hate that word. It makes me sound like I've got actual chunks sticking out of me at weird angles.

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My SIL (who happens to be 5"1 and weighs almost 280lbs) had the nerve to tell me a couple summers back before I had Roxanne that I was "SO skinny I looked sick"

I said, "Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment because I've been working really hard to maintain this weight"

I am 5"3 and at the time weighed about 130lbs, which is technically overweight. The charts/professionals claim that a healthy weight for my height is b/w 115-125. I haven't been that weight since elementary school.

Anyhow, just my funny-I-HATE-my-sister-in-law-story!

Krista - posted on 11/01/2010

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I think if a compliment is ambiguous, then maybe it should be rephrased. For some people, "skinny" IS a pejorative term. It might be better to make things more clear by saying something like, "I wish I was slender like you --- you look good in everything!"

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Its they way in which its delivered i have many complement my body after having my children and i can clearly hear and see there is nothing behind it.Its the ones who pull there faces and look you up and down in which you become uncomfortable is when it's not a complement but them passing judgement on you being to skinny for there liking maybe i dont know..I can well take a complement and have given them to.:-)

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Yeah that's what I'm like sometime Kati. When I say "she's thin" I mean it as a compliment lol! I've never been thin!

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Ya, TO ME, saying, "WOW! You're so skinny even after having two babies" is NOT an insult! Just sayin'...

Rosie - posted on 11/01/2010

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i'd like to point out that they few times i've pointed out to friends (not complete strangers, mind you) that they are skinny i'm complimenting them. i'm jealous, and they look good to me. does it bother some of you when someone says it without throwing in the anorexic talk (obviously that's harmful to ones psyche) ?

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That is just rude like! I had an old woman tell me my son was fat the other day...he's 11 months old and only weighs 20lb 7oz and in the 85th percentile for length so by no means fat lmao! Some people just have the nerve to think aloud. Yes I see lots of very fat and skinny people and I think to myself oh my god...but I'd never say something to them obviously! It's their business what size they are! I went to Florida when I was about 11 and lets just say that gave me a whole new education as to what's fat compared to the size of people in the UK!

Krista - posted on 11/01/2010

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Last week at the salon my hair dresser, who is overweight, said to me when I went to sit down, "OH MY GOD, you're so skinny, look how skinny your arms are!!!!"

Yeah, that's just rude. What the hell is wrong with people that they feel free to make comments on another person's body like that?

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I've been told I'm too skinny and I needed to eat. I drop weight fast, I used to anyway. Now I have to work at it but when I was in high school I was very thin and could eat a lot. My problem with obesity is when people are just lazy, I know some who have medical issues that cause weight gain no matter what they do but I know plenty who just don't care to live a healthy life style.

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Oh just while i am here i went to America for 2weeks at 17 and i never heard as many comments by strangers as i did there about my appearance, my weight and my height.Strangers i might add.One sales guy in a shoe shop came over and told me the boots i had on, no one in the shop could zip them up all the way and there to loose on you, smiled and walked away.I was told i need to take American vitamins?one person said wow your tiny and said you must be what and guessed a weight ..lol..but i just want to say skinny people do get it.I have never had strangers comment in my country that was a shock to me to experience and at 17.Now at 25 i still get wow your tiny and after having to kids..i dont get as upset, sure what can you do.As long as its not rude comments i get i dont care anymore.I want my girls to be proud of who the are, what the look like and not allow anyone to put them down.I want them to respect all types of people and understand were not all the same and thats the beauty of it.

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Dana I'm not thin myself if you read my previous posts but the majority of my friends are and I've never heard anyone say that sort of thing to them, but perhaps people are more tolerant to people of all sizes here as I've never personally been called fat either.

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I agree if your thinking something its showing on your face..i get that..i was told to eat all the time..sure in school my name was Anna..i couldn't get why they called me that..for anorexic..Meany's:-( i had to ask my friend why they called me that..i was called it from the age of 13 to 17..it became a joke then..i got used to it, even though i hated it.It wasnt a complement it was rude.They girls knew i was sick at that time in and out of hospital (with ovary problems etc)i went down to 6stone and the still wouldnt give up the name calling.After i got better i had a great appetite and then it was your eating like a horse..Ahh i couldnt win.

We had two over weight girls and believe me no body ever called them nasty names not that the should of but its seen as not acceptable to tease over weight people but hop on the band wagon with the skinny jokes.

Dana - posted on 11/01/2010

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Jennifer are you thin? I only ask because you posted this, "Personally I've never came across people telling thin people to eat...other than doctors and that's when they are actually underweight"



If you're not skinny of course you're not going to hear it.



And yes, Dana, I have had people stare at me all the time. Matter of fact overweight people have always been especially cruel to me. I've had things said, disgusted looks or overweight people being bitchy to me in general. It gets to the point where I feel like I'm paranoid. Last week at the salon my hair dresser, who is overweight, said to me when I went to sit down, "OH MY GOD, you're so skinny, look how skinny your arms are!!!!" I had a moment of panic thinking, is she going to give me a bad hair cut now, because I have been treated shitty for being skinny, I have had bad haircuts because the hair dresser didn't like me for being skinny. I think it's a common misconception (and I'm not saying you, just a lot of people) that skinny people are happy or people treat them well, it's just not true.

Krista - posted on 11/01/2010

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I can't see my own comment thingies either, Dana. I get the notifications, but when I go look at the actual comment, it's just blank underneath.

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Ok, I just clicked "funny" under your comment, Krista and it's not showing up? WTF? It's been doing that all morning. It says "Saved. Thanks!" but is it REALLY saving it?

Apparently the accident did more damage than I originally thought! ;)

Krista - posted on 11/01/2010

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I do want to point out though, when you're THINKING to yourself, "Oh, that poor woman." it's showing on your face.

Possibly. I have a terrible poker face. Mind you, I also tend to walk around lost in my own thoughts, so my facial expression tends to be more that of a village idiot who is late for a medical appointment.

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Personally I've never came across people telling thin people to eat...other than doctors and that's when they are actually underweight. At the end of the day everyone is different and people should get over that!

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I do agree with you, Krista.



I do want to point out though, when you're THINKING to yourself, "Oh, that poor woman." it's showing on your face. I know I often would see people staring and I'm not even that overweight - those people thinking or pittying an overweight or extremely skinny person, are JUST as damaging.



I was in a bad car accident in 2002 and had my skull ripped apart - I have a pretty horrible scar on my left temple up across to the middle of my forehead and then up even further into the middle of my head. When I don't style my hair to cover it I get people staring. I used to say to Chad or my mom, or whoever was with me, "I wish they'd just fuckin' say something or ask how it happened, rather than staring".



When people are "thinking" something, they don't sometimes realize that they're actually staring. I'm not super sensitive about the scar or the issue because I choose to be positive about it. It's part of who I am but just thought I'd offer that as an example. I would interupt people's stares sometimes and they would say, "Oh, sorry - I didn't realize I was staring.....I was just wondering how that happened" To me, it's rather entertaining.



Anyhow, I'm not sure why I'm rambling - perhaps it's the brain damage I suffered from my accident?! ;)

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"I was bullied for years for being skinny. People STILL say things. No one would ever feel as free to talk to overweight people the way the think it's fine to speak to skinny people."



No, but they would be whispering and talking behind those fat people's backs. Why is that? People are more comfortable telling a skinny person to "eat more" or "gain weight". While it's equally as damaging for the person being teased/bullied/ridiculed, *I* think it's because it's nowhere near as shameful to be too skinny. You might still get bullied about it and I'm not trying to take anything away from that BUT being overweight is extremely taboo.

Dana - posted on 11/01/2010

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I was bullied for years for being skinny. People STILL say things. No one would ever feel as free to talk to overweight people the way the think it's fine to speak to skinny people.

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Yes skinny people can get it too.I have all my life from others.I was pregnant on my second child.I over heard my two friends talk.One said shes not showing yet, the other said sure shes not eating.I was so upset, cried a river over it.It hurt and to add to it, i was sick and my baby.

I got it after she was born.I went to 7stone 10lbs after just a week.I was asked what the hell i was doing to myself.I heard people were saying i was anorexic and had a problem with food.Which i didnt i can eat more than my partner and he loves food.We need to respect one another and it shouldn't matter what we look like.We all have a right to be seen, heard and to display affection in public as long as there appropriate lol.:-)That woman needs a room to herself if you ask me, were she should stay until she comes down off her high horse, little miss perfect isn't so perfect.

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I think everyone should just leave everyone else alone about their body. Skinny or fat, we're all beautiful, and we're all human beings who deserve our dignity. Nobody should be degraded for their body, and yes calling someone "fattie" even if it's yourself is degrading. Calling names and shaming someone for their body is just breaking them down and as fellow humans we should be building them up. Lack of self-esteem isn't a good starting point for a healthy change of habits (if habits is indeed the reason for being overweight!). Nobody knows what another person's problem is (low self-esteem, depression, thyroid, whathaveyou) and we should not be judging. Anyone in love is beautiful, not disgusting, but intimacy should be kept behind closed doors no matter what your size.

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Actually, Jennifer, there are people that have no problem telling skinny people to eat more. People get teased, ridiculed, and criticized for almost anything. Probably not as often, IMO, but I know it still happens.

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Lol I've been told by my doctors since I was about 13 year old that I should lose weight. I'm 5 foot 11 and 15 stone, but only a size 18. I have PCOS. It makes you more likely to be overweight but also being overweight worsens the side effects. I've been happy with my weight. I did lose 1 stone prior to conceiving my son whilst on metformin and I've decided I want to lose some weight now, as my cousin's wedding is next September and I'd love to be slimmer for that =] Losing weight is hard for me. Sometimes people won't lose weight and other times they won't because they are happy being a "fattie". Do people go around telling skinnier people to eat more food...

Charlie - posted on 10/31/2010

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Wow can you backpeddle any faster ?
Im not trying to justify my being offended LOL there really is no need for justification , what you have written is there for everyone to read , im certainly not the only one to read and understand your posts as they stand , you can try and paint them a new colour but we all saw the original tint .

Kate CP - posted on 10/31/2010

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Jessica: No offense, but I do expect you to read. In my original post I said that she had Graves disease and had to go on radiation therapy for it which killed off most of her thyroid. From that statement alone, one should be able to deduce that she has an under active thyroid at this point.

Jessica - posted on 10/31/2010

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And here we go with the quote mining. Not only are you not actually reading what I am trying to say but you are attributing your own thoughts to my comments.

"Doctors do not have the right to shame anyone , YES they can give factual information about a persons weight and what the consequences are of their size , they can use appropriate terminology when addressing an obese person , fat or fattie is not appropriate that would be like using the word cunt instead of vagina , not appropriate , YOU might not be offended by this "word" but others are and a person in that position MUST be proffessional ."

At no point did I state or condone a professional talking to their patients in such a manner.

"And yet you clearly do not give a shit about a persons mental illness , are you suggesting a doctor should ignore a persons possible depresssion or body dismorphia and put them at greater risk simply to "shame"them in the vein hope it works ?"

And again with the quote mining. Here let me re-post what I previously stated.
'And that is exactly why they need to be called out. Tell them, 'look, I get that it is hard to lose weight and your consistently dealing with some emotional crap, but if you don't lose weight and/or get councelling you WILL die, very prematurely, and your children will probably follow suit because they learned from you'.'

Obviously a professional would word it better and hopefully have a bigger impact. But EVERY GP should be offering councelling services to those who consistently find it difficult to stick to a diet/weight loss plan.

"Would you say it was ok for a doctor to equally call an anorexic or bulemic person an offensive name in an innapropriate manner to get them out of the habit?"

What you are doing here is reading what you want then quote mining me in order to justify you being offended.

Kate: No offence, but you can't expect me to know what every disorder is and thus what it does. As you didn't explain what it was I assumed it was something other than a thyroid issue. In your mothers case, having the radiation therapy and the consequence of that is a bigger issue then a naturally occurring under active thyroid. Not to mention, the main group I am talking about would not have medical issues. I am talking about people who are otherwise healthy being jolted into taking action to prevent a premature and preventable death, to prevent suffering (in the event of said death) of those around them and to save the taxpayers money (bear in mind, I live in the UK and so this issue costs the public a LOT of money).

And again, I said nothing of being ashamed of my weight or body, I said I was shamed into it, I was shamed by my GP going into severe (and somewhat gross) detail about what I was doing to my body and in turn to those around me. I wasn't ashamed of my body, I was, however, forced into being ashamed of my actions. There is a difference.

Kate CP - posted on 10/31/2010

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Jessica: I'm not being overly emotional here, I'm just confused by your statement. Graves disease, what my mother had, is actually an OVER active thyroid and had to be treated with radiation therapy. This killed off most of her thyroid and caused it to become UNDER active (the same problem you said you have). So, I'm confused by your statement because in one breath you say that my mother's condition is understandable and not her fault. But in the next statement you say that you don't feel a thyroid condition is a valid "reason" to be over weight.

Returning to the shame thing, you said that you were shamed into losing weight. That implies that you were/are ASHAMED of your weight or body. Synonyms of shame are self-reproach, guilt, rue. So I am just trying to figure out what it is you mean.

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I personally feel this is hypocracy on a major scale. Kissing in public is one thing for any person but "making out" or basiclly almost climbing into anothers pants for anyone is both annoying and should be done in the privacy of the bedroom or your own home. This is a personal issue for me, As I went to my sisters wedding in April and her ridiculase bridesmaid decided the best place to make out was at the table in front of the entire wedding party with children in full view. just by the way his hand was up her dress. I found out afterwards this was by no means the only couple that day. So if you want to make out there is a difference between kissing lovingly and tonsil hockey is just not on in public for anyone!!

Charlie - posted on 10/31/2010

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Whos bullying ?

Calm down , eek.
"And honestly, I really don't care if you find the term 'fatties' offensive. That is an oversensitivity to words. As a fatty, I *choose* not to find the term offensive. And maybe I should clear this up now because people seem to be getting the wrong end of the stick. When I said 'name and shame' I didn't mean going around slamming fatties in public, that is just rude. I mean GP's and other proffesionals being extremely blunt regardless of hurt feelings. Telling them that yes, thjey are FAT and it is not only detrimental to their health but selfish also."
Doctors do not have the right to shame anyone , YES they can give factual information about a persons weight and what the consequences are of their size , they can use appropriate terminology when addressing an obese person , fat or fattie is not appropriate that would be like using the word cunt instead of vagina , not appropriate , YOU might not be offended by this "word" but others are and a person in that position MUST be proffessional .

"Weight gain is a symptom of underlying issues physically or mentally treating THESE issues is what is needed not school yard bullying tactics of "shaming " people ."

And AGAIN, I have already stated that I KNOW this!!!

And yet you clearly do not give a shit about a persons mental illness , are you suggesting a doctor should ignore a persons possible depresssion or body dismorphia and put them at greater risk simply to "shame"them in the vein hope it works ?

Would you say it was ok for a doctor to equally call an anorexic or bulemic person an offensive name in an innapropriate manner to get them out of the habit ?

Jessica - posted on 10/31/2010

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I apologise for my swearing but their attitude and their obvious ignoring of what I am actually saying is frustrating.

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I find it funny that your more concerned about the swearing then the blatant bullying they are attempting.

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**Mod Warning**
This may be a touchy subject for some, but can everyone please refrain from swearing AT someone (very different than swearing in conversation). We've already had to delete one post from this thread and really don't want to lock it. Thanks people.

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"Jessica your approach to "helping " people lose weight is plain and simple bullying , there is no excuse for it , to assume you know how larger men and women feel about their bodies or to simply push aside the real reasons behind their weight gain is ignorant."

I have already stated that playground bullying tactics is not what I was on about. I was on about GPs and PROFFESIONALS being brutally blunt to SAVE LIVES. And I AM a (very) larger woman so I think I understand those feelings better than most.

"Weight gain is a symptom of underlying issues physically or mentally treating THESE issues is what is needed not school yard bullying tactics of "shaming " people ."

And AGAIN, I have already stated that I KNOW this!!!

"You said yourself that you're over weight. You also said that fat people should be shamed. You said you were ashamed. Part of being ashamed is not liking (or hating) yourself. I wasn't being presumptuous, I was going by what YOU had already stated"

No, you’re attributing your own thoughts and feelings to what I had stated. I find it extremely concerning that, instead of asking questions about what I mean and my situation, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU have immediately made assumptions, judged me because of my opinion before finding the reasoning behind it and are (and have before) ganging up on me because I hold an OPINION ( again a VALID opinion) different to your hive mentality. If you had bothered to ask, you would find that I am NOT ashamed of *myself*. My GP was brutally blunt with me, was brutally honest and even used my son as a guilt card to get me to start losing weight. And I am SO FUCKING HAPPY that she did!!!! I am SO FUCKING HAPPY that I can now get on the floor and play with my son. And again, IMO (note: JUST MY OPINION! See... that is where some of you are getting into the playground bully theme that loureen mentioned, you don't like it so you try to drown it out). I do NOT hate myself and I don't appreciate people trying to push their own feelings onto me.

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So, an under active thyroid is a medical reason for being over weight, but then again it's not a valid reason for being over weight? Which one?"

OMFG, you people fucking ASTOUND me! YOU STATED that your mom had some disorder ( Greave's, I think?). So before you go jumping down my throat for a non existent contradiction why don't you try actually reading it PROPERLY and WITHOUT that heated emotion you are so clearly displaying.

For fuck sake ladies, all your doing now is nit picking the non issues instead of addressing and having a debate.

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"I read your post about your mother. What I am talking about would not apply in that situation, given that it is a MEDICAL issue and not something that can be fixed. I get the point you were trying to make but it is moot because, like I said, it is a severe medical issue. I have stated before, I HAVE an under active thyroid, along with my brother, dad and 2 aunties (it tends to be hereditary) so that is not a valid excuse to become obese in my opinion..."

So, an under active thyroid is a medical reason for being over weight, but then again it's not a valid reason for being over weight? Which one?

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I like that show. Seriously who cares if they made out on TV and actually from what I've seen of it Mike and Molly promotes overweight people getting out and trying to change it.

So basically I think the person who wrote this is a bitch.

As far as Jessicas approach to the obesity problem, good luck, treating people like dirt would probably just make things worse.

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"I said nothing about hating myself and I find your presumptuous attitude arrogant and offensive."

You said yourself that you're over weight. You also said that fat people should be shamed. You said you were ashamed. Part of being ashamed is not liking (or hating) yourself. I wasn't being presumptuous, I was going by what YOU had already stated.

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