Should sex offenders be castrated?

Katherine - posted on 01/27/2011 ( 113 moms have responded )

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A legislator in Virginia wants to castrate sex offenders after they serve their prison sentence because he says it will be more cost effective than detaining and treating them.

Now, before you squirm uncomfortably in your chair and think to yourself, "What the hell is wrong with people in Virginia?" consider this: Eight states already allow for castration for sexually violent predators. Most of these allow chemical castration, which reduces testosterone levels through medication. But in Texas and Louisiana, actual surgery is involved. *Squirm*

The lawmaker behind the push for castration, Sen. Emmett Hanger, reasons that castration will protect the public while saving the state about $24 million this year (currently it costs about $100,000 to detain and treat each sex offender under Virginia's civil commitment program).

It makes perfect sense to me ... And, while we're at it, maybe we should chop off the hands of people who steal stuff, too. After all, why should we discriminate?

Some experts are in favor of the idea, arguing that chemical castration -- when combined with therapy and other treatment alternatives -- is effective because it tackles the root of the problem psychologically versus simply rendering offenders physically unable to attack again. In fact, some experts even suggest that castration/therapy alternative may be even more effective than Virginia's costly civil commitment program.

But opponents -- like Mary Devoy, founder of Reform Sex Offender Laws of Virginia -- are calling the measure barbaric and oppressive:

When abuse and mutilation of a human being is presented as an acceptable alternative to responsible treatment and housing for those deemed as sexually violent predators, there exists a fault of reason.

Can't say that I fully disagree with her here -- will using physical violence to punish physical violence be effective in the long run? Plus, to me, the use of castration as punishment focuses too much on hormones and sex and not enough on other factors like power and control that are equally integral parts of sexual violence.

Do you think sex offenders should be castrated?

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they should all be banished from society, locked up forever...with or without a penis, they can still molest people.

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I saw a documentary awhile back about chemical castration. Don't quote me or anything, but from what I can remember, studies have shown that a sexual predator is still a sexual predator...with or without the use of his equipment. The one part of the study I remember clearly is that if anything, castration makes them worse. They still feel the urge, but can't do anything about it, so they find....other ways....to satisfy themselves. Some men, who previously had "only" been rapists, after being chemically castrated, graduated to murder. I think the best way to contain them is to keep them contained in prison. Let them molest each other.

Jocelyn - posted on 04/20/2012

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Castration should be viewed in terms of a treatment rather than a punishment. If a man cannot control his urges then it's a kindness to remove them or decrease them. After all is it more cruel to incarcarate a man for years in a very hostile environment where he is in constant personal danger?



This is an extract from a research report:



"Legislators argue that castration is justified and appropriate, and that by controlling sex offenders' irresistible urges to rape or molest again, the operation allows them to be released without endangering the public. Studies of the European experience suggest they could be right. Of more than 700 Danish sex offenders castrated after multiple convictions, relapse rates dropped from between 17 percent and 50 percent to just 2 percent. A Norwegian study showed the same for selected male and female sex offenders (the women had their ovaries removed). In smaller studies of cyproproterone in Scandinavia and Italy, chemical castration was equally effective in some groups of volunteer prisoners, with the most dramatic reductions among pedophiles.



These studies suggest the common argument--that rape is all about power, not sex, and therefore castration won't work--is wrong.



Interestingly, a German study found that up to half of the castrated men still could have erections and sex, but their desire was weakened or even extinguished. Over 80 percent no longer masturbated; 70 percent gave up sex.



As Fred Berlin, a Johns Hopkins University psychiatrist and expert on treating sex offenders, points out, castration works "mainly in those who are sexually aroused by their crime ... sadists and pedophiles." Castration takes the impulse away from those with an aberrant sexual orientation, often to their relief.



So what objection could there be to castration of sex offenders? Well, none, if it is carefully applied to the narrow group of repeat sadistic or pedophiliac rapists who accept the treatment. But the court-mandated castration proposed in Florida, California, and Montana raises serious problems."



I believe that in this context then repeat sex offenders should be castrated.



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Nikkole - posted on 01/28/2011

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Im sorry but I will NOT feel sorry for these monsters YES it was sad that they were molested/rapped as children but HOW many are that way and don't molest or rape others! You can not use the excuse well i was molested so its ok to molest someone else's child! If someone hurt my babies or someone i knows kids they wouldn't need a court date!

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Merry - posted on 02/29/2012

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Anyone else see that episode of Greys anatomy where a rape victim came in and they found something in her stomach and it turned out to be the end of a penis. so they played the waiting game and sure enough a man comes stumbling in the next day with half a penis. They can't reattach the penis because it wasn't a clean slice so the man got stuck with half a penis and peeing out a tube into a bag the rest of his life.

I was so happy watching that :)

The poor girl was so beat up she was in a coma for days and she was all bloody. I mean I don't ever condone rape but violent stuff like this makes me more angry then stuff like a drunk guy taking advantage of a drunk girl.

**Jackie** - posted on 02/28/2012

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Oh I could think of far more monstrous punishments that I would like to unload on them.

Mother - posted on 02/28/2012

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UGH....my knee jerk reaction is...not castrated but executed!!



I'll settle for castration.

**Jackie** - posted on 02/28/2012

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I'm going to agree. Although I don't think it would deter them....it might be better than the hot meal, free gym, roof over their head, and deck of cards we reward them with....oh yes...AND a cell to themselves because other inmates would kill them.



Funny right? when we have babies we often share rooms with another mother yet when they hurt, scar, and rip all that is good out of our babies...hmm

Zariena - posted on 02/27/2012

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Castration and penactomy should both be used as punishment, through complete removal.



And no, after castration a male will not be more violent, because he has no way of getting the constant supply of his faulty male hormones.



He then becomes much more feminine and makes for a safer society as a whole.



This is a punishment that should be carried out on all male sexual offenders, no matter the age of the offender.

**Jackie** - posted on 02/17/2012

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Deborah, I agree. I wouldn't want to put a disgusting man that touches little girls into the same category as a 19 year old boy who has consensual sex with his 17 year old girlfriend. In fact, I'm sure many of us have been there.

**Jackie** - posted on 02/17/2012

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I didn't think I had the stomach to comment on this...I'll try. I don't think castrating will deter "the devil" from molesting a child. I don't believe it is their sexual preference to be with a child, like it would be a gay man's sexual preference to be with another gay man or a heterosexual woman's sexual preference to be with a heterosexual man. I think they are predators and fulfill their needs with these viol acts. I honestly think if you told a pedophile upfront that they will be castrated if they molest a child.....they would do it anyway.



I am not a doctor and I am not a therapist of any kind... just a mom. (I like to make that clear when commenting so that everyone knows that these are solely my opinions and not based on any type of study or anything). I haven't read any posts so sorry if mine was redundant.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/14/2012

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I fail to see how castration will mitigate a sex offender (which IMO is a poor choice of a label - should be FREAK) from still offending. Not all use their penis, some use objects and all sorts of other methods. It is not a sex thing, it is a power trip.



These FREAKS need to be sent away to a secluded island and never ever to return to society! Let them offend each other for goodness sake, see how they like that power trip!! Well perhaps, they could be castrated and then sent to a secluded island and left with nothing to play with on their own selves.

Amanda - posted on 02/14/2012

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castration does not work, rapest, molestors will just use a different tool. These acts are not about sex, but about power. How about we keep all sex offenders locked up for life, as it is clear there is no cure for this.



And what about the sex offenders who actually arent sex offenders? Ie receiving photos of a under age girl, while the boy is still under age? What about the man who grabbed the ass of a flirty co worker? There are so many levels of sexual assult how do we decide which ones are a danger and which arent?

Deborah - posted on 02/13/2012

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Well I think the whole 'sexual predator' system needs to be revamped anyway....same way with "Felonies" because, well, they put too many people under one label.



What about the kid who had sex with his girlfriend, but her parents got mad and he was labeled as a sexual offender? Assuming his girlfriend was a willing participant, no wrong was done except to the parents and their morality. People like that don't deserve to be castrated, no.



(Some 'felons' have committed no violent crimes, so why should they be cataloged along with everyone else who has caused those kind of problems? I think it's unfair for employers to discriminate people based ONLY on a felony. If you're a convicted felon, your crime should be reviewed before it can be a factor regarding employment. Guys who fall too far behind on child support, for instance, are labeled as felons....which makes it hard to get a job....a job they obviously need, since they have to pay their child support....seems to be working against people instead of 'for' people. Some guys deserve that label(Deadbeats who refuse to pay), but not all of them...(guys who can't find a job or have disabilities, etc.)



Violent or habitual offenders should fall into that kind of scrutiny, because they don't deserve to have what they do down there if they can't use it 'properly'.

Katherine - posted on 02/13/2012

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I think it would make it worse. They might even get more violent.

Corinne - posted on 02/13/2012

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As with a lot of you, my first reaction was 'Do it! Do it now.' But it wouldn't work. These offenders would just find another way to act out their violent tendancies. Bring back the days when life meant life and hard time was exactly that, hard time. No T.V, no xbox etc, just hard work, a lot of therapy and a very, very long sentence.

Sherri - posted on 02/13/2012

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It won't help anything it is about control and power. They will only use it or demonstrate it in another violent way.

Sally - posted on 02/13/2012

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I have just read back through the post and i notice that the old chestnut, they could have been abused was brought up. This excuse makes me so angry. I was abused as a child so where my brothers. It didn't turn us in to abusers, if anything it made us damn sure that we wouldn't do it to our kids. As an adult you have choices, why would you want to afflct it up another child when you know the pain it causes. I know a few people that have been abused and the only ones they ever harm are their selfs. Sorry for rant just hate this excuse.

Sally - posted on 02/13/2012

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No. Not because of their human rights etc but because i believe it could make them more violent. If the underlaying problem isn't addressed then the urge will still be there and they will find another way to satisfy it. There is no quick fix. Id personally hang them all.

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I think it depends on the person and circumstances. I live in Canada, where there is an option to chemically castrate those who commit very heinous sex offences and are considered untreatable. I don't think that castration is always effective because for some sex offenders it's not about the sex, but about the power and control. So I would say that I sometimes support it.

Cindy - posted on 02/12/2012

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Two wrongs don't make a right. This is the 21st century. Babaric punishments were banned centuries ago. Using physical violence to punish violence is not the solution. And I don't believe it is going to do that much good. Most rapes are about power & control; not about sexual perversion. The best form of punishment for anybody, no matter what kind of crime it is, is to take time away from them. Locking them up, no matter what it costs us, is the only solution.

Stifler's - posted on 02/10/2011

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I'm sure they wouldn't just hack their testicles off inhumanely, let's get real here.

Jackie - posted on 02/10/2011

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Male or female... ALL violent sex offenders should be put to death, first offense gets you put to sleep like a wounded farm animal. The only thing barbaric is letting violent offenders offend repeatedly.

Lysandra - posted on 02/10/2011

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Shame it isn't removig the penis could just line them up with a chopping board annd meat cleaver! Tho this abuse is not necessarily about the sex, without the testosterone flowing through them then surely they would have the urge to do sexual things to women and children

Nadia - posted on 02/09/2011

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wow. this is a tough question. Right off the bat my natural instinct is to say yes, castrate the bastards! but yet we try and teach our children that violece is wrong... one might argue that it goes against the offenders rights and such, but what about the people that said offender violated? An eye for an eye??? I thought we lived in a more civilized time... yet if one of these pervs ever touched me our my daughters i'd castrate them myself. like i said... this is a tough one.

Katherine - posted on 02/09/2011

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That's true Emma. If you look at it that way. I was reading an article where a man self-castrated himself ( a pedophile) he said he didn't want to do it anymore. After he castrated himself he said the urges stopped.
Btw castration IS the removal of the testicles, not the penis.
I thought the same thing, actually had to look it up.

Stifler's - posted on 02/09/2011

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No it's not just removing fertility. That's why they do it to male cows, steers are not as aggressive as bulls. Same with stallions they are much more aggressive than geldings. Male cats and dogs don't piss on everything as much when they are neutered. I wonder if it'd work for humans. If there's a law passed on this there'd have to be one for sterilization of women who are sex offenders, and trust me they are out there we just don't hear about them as much because it's apparently not as bad if a woman does it.

Lysandra - posted on 02/09/2011

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Absolutely they should! It would stop women becoming pregnant form such an awful abuse and though adoring their child constantly being reminded of the brutal way they were conceived. Plus I just like the idea of a sex offender having his dick cut off!!

Pamela - posted on 02/08/2011

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No. Rape is not about sex, it is about power and control. So you could cut off their penises, but you would still have the issues of power and control.

Katherine - posted on 02/08/2011

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Castration is cutting off the testicles.
Castration (also referred to as gelding, spaying, neutering, fixing, orchiectomy, oophorectomy) is any action, surgical, chemical, or otherwise, by which a male loses the functions of the testicles or a female loses the functions of the ovaries.

Merry - posted on 02/08/2011

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Isn't castrated meaning they cut off the penis and testicles? Isn't sterilization simply removing fertility?
Please define castration cuz its hard to decide while confused about the punishment....

Tine - posted on 01/31/2011

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Hi Stephanie,

Yes, you have misunderstood!
My whole point is that sex offences are different from other crimes (such as stealing as was the example used in the intro post here) in the element of impulse (as well as in the harm they cause - stealing causes inconvenience, sex crimes ruin lives), and that they cannot be compared to crimes like stealing because of that element. If you read the rest of my post, I think it was pretty clear that I find serious sex offenders to be heinous, and I made the point that I am the mother of a small child and if castration is in any way going to change these peoples' behaviour then it is certainly worth looking at.

The issue posted here was about castration, and I made the point about sexuality because of that - that the crime is a sex one, in which brain chemistry and hormones are involved as well as choice. You have missed the point of the homosexuality example - I used that example to show that one's sexuality is something instrinsic to oneself, it really isn't something that you can 'treat'. It is insulting to people who are attracted to the same sex to say that they can (or should) be 'treated' to change that, because it is part of who they are, just as I used the example of my own sexual orientation as an example of that point, and that point only. There was no implied or direct value judgement of anyone, simply that this is how it is. I described sex offenders as a 'very nasty problem', if you read a bit further down.

The difference is obviously that sex offenders target children and adults who are not consenting, and whether or not they use other types of violence, their choice of sexual outlet is very harmful to others, whereas the orientation of others, gay or straight, if it is between consenting adults, is not harmful to anyone.

I maintain that the old 'sex crimes are about violence, not about sex' is NOT the whole picture, and may be dangerously misleading. If we ignore the biological . impulsive elements, and expect that we can just counsel people back into what we would consider to be acceptable sexuality, then we are creating a BIG problem, because these people are unlikey to change this behaviour, as the impulse really remains.

There are specific programs in Australia to try to redirect young male sex offenders, and even these counsellors will tell you that they are deeply up against it.

There is a difference too between paedophiles and those who rape adults - the attraction to children is the real problem in paedophiles, and that is what is unchangeable. However, sex offenders against adults are still comitting sexual crimes, they are still about sexual gratification through acts that you or I would not only not find attractive but would be actively repulsed and upset by. They may be intrinsically wired up this way, or it may be the result of traumatic life experience, but it is very hard to simply 'treat' people who feel this way and release them back into the community with children like mine, and expect to ensure the safety of the community.

Tine - posted on 01/31/2011

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We already have plenty of sex offenders in Australia, thanks, no need to send yours here...!!

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Laressa- I agree 100%. They are burdens to society at a certain point and serve no purpose so why allow them the benefit of staying. I know that will never happen and I have mixed emotions about capital punishment when it comes down to the wire BUT when my emotions get the best of me I'd be happy to see them all dead at any cost. I think anyone (or most) who's been through what I have would have a similiar opinion.

Laressa - posted on 01/31/2011

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I don't know what I think. When my hubby and his friends discuss sex offenders I've heard comments like "they should be hung by their eyelids and beat on their balls till they blink" Which apparently is terribly funny to them! Guys! they have such a weird sense of humor.lol.

There should be a consequence, but I think it shouldn't cost the taxpayers millions annually to keep them locked up and I agree that it probably doesn't help to castrate them because they will go on to other crimes. Maybe if definately guilty they should get euthanized?

Marica - posted on 01/31/2011

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Castration is the removal of testosterone, or testicles not removal of the penis. I think shooting them would be cheaper and better, Rehabilitation doesn't work sadly, they are wired up differently and see no crime in taking what they want how they want to.

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@Tine:

Saying that pedophiles are "simply attracted to children" very much downplays a psychotic motive. Yes, they are attracted to children but unlike homosexuals, it is not a courtship between 2 consenting adults. It is taking full advantage of a defenesless and helpless being, committing these acts by force and violence and instilling a paralyzing fear in their victims to fullfill their twisted urges. That is in no way comparable to homosexuality and is something that will never come to be accepted as homosexuality now is. I am really hoping that I've misunderstood what you've said and that this isn't your actual way of thinking. It sounds like you are viewing this as simply a sexual preferrence that isn't quite socially accepted yet just as homosexually used to be but being a pedo goes way beyond that. Gays aren't victimizing anyone and aren't commiting a crime, pedos are and cause life long damage to their victims..

Tine - posted on 01/31/2011

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I'm somewhat torn here, because I do beleive that a society should reflect the rules that it expects its members to live by. I am, in principle at least, opposed to the death penalty, and I certainly do not think that physical violence is a way to rehabilitate or punish anybody. It just makes them worse.

However, in the case of sex offenders, especially those who target children, I think that there is a powerful element of impulse involved; some sex offenders won't stop because they can't. It's not like stealing (except in the very rare case of kleptomaniacs) where a clear choice is involved. stealing may be necessary, it may be fun, it may be a result of peer pressure or rebellion.

Sex offences, in the case of serial offenders (Iused to work in Child Protection and I can tell you that one offence is rarely enough; somebody who has offended once is extremely likely not only to have offended before, but to offend again, and usually in an escalating pattern) are driven by hormones and brain chemistry, and while there is an element of choice in deciding whether or not to act on the impulse, it is clearly a very powerful one.

I think that serious sex offenders, particularly those who offend against children, simply have a differently wired - up sex drive to that of other adults. Gay people are attracted to members of the same sex, and cannot change that, likewise heterosexual people. If someone suggested to me that I now have to stop being attracted to men and instead be attracted to women, I would find that impossible. I may not act on my attraction to me, but it would remain. Paedophiles in particular ar simply attracted to children. I wonder if, in the future, we will look upon attempts to 'treat' them in the same way that we now regard early psychiatrists' attempts to treat homosexuality.

In the light of all this, and being the mother of a child who is the MOST precious thing in the world to me, drawing upon my experiences as a child protection worker and a teacher, I have to say that castration of serious sex offenders seems like a sensible option. In Australia they have been released into unsuspecting communities in order to protect them from being hounded... the results have not been good. There is no pretty answer here, but I think that this may be a sensible, practical possibility, for dealing with a very nasty problem.

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I also don't think that castration should be the only punishment but more as a deterrant or condition of release maybe bc like someone else said, it doesn't stop their obsessive way of thinking, it only lessons the sex drive.

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I think there has to be limitations to castrating offenders. Meaning, if it's consentual sex with your gf who is a year younger yet a minor, statuatory rape, that isn't a sexual predator. As for a man (or woman) who repeatedly molests his daughter or neice or whoever, once is bad enough but to keep doing it and showing no self control, for this yes you should be castrated. For a predator who searches out children to abduct and rape, which is what happened to me, yes he should be castrated bc of the extreme lengths this sick behavior was taken to.

I am a survivor and I thank God everyday for giving me the strength to move forward with my life after what was done to me but in no way does that mean I have forgoten or forgiven what happened and I know that if given the chance this person would offend again. People like that should be castrated to put an end to their obsessive and psychotic sexual desires. If not that then they should be locked away to never to see the light of day again.



I can't look at this subject with what may be deemed as "political correctness". Put yourself in my shoes or imagine it was your child. Would you have mercy then or worry about this sicko's rights? I highly doubt it.



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Look at the man and woman who abducted Elizabeth Smart. Do you think that psycho would ever make a productive member of society and is a candidate for rehabilitation? What happened to her happened to me and you might think you are being fair by playing both sides of the fence but for someone who so blantantly violated every single human right a girl has and over such a period of time, to me he should have no rights.

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@Jenn - You're right. Not all sex offenders re-offend. But, I'm sure the people who have lost children at the hands of the re-offending wished that the re-offender got the death penalty. I think our justice system needs to be looking at revamping the sex crime laws and not worrying about a mom who tries to get her kids a better education by putting them in a school outside of her district. I will say this. If anyone did ANYTHING to my kid, the justice system would not be needed.

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Touchy topic but very interesting and ive learned a lot of things reading everyone's post that i didnt know before. Ive also read comments that i agree with, have questions about, and dont necessarily agree. I think when it comes to sex offenders there is a wide range and there is still a lot about it that we have to learn. So im going to say some of my opinions so bare with me cuz it might be all over the place :)



So someone had written about child sex offenders. This is a confusing topic to me because In some cases the Offender really is attracted/ shows sexual emotion to only children. I know this is going to sound sick but to that person only a child can turn them on and only a child can arouse certain feelings just like with women only men can do that. For men only women do it for them and then when it comes to lesbian and gays only the same sex does it for them. Its like if someone were to deliberately try and make you attracted to what you werent attracted to, would you be able to change?? Would you be able to turn lesbian? would you be able to turn straight ?? Just because you were in therapy and also because you needed to get "fixed"? Highly unlikely. But when it comes down to it just because thats they way their brains were wired doesnt mean we want child sex offenders walking around freely!! of course not! Its sick and beyond me. Dont get me wrong just because i think we need to learn more about the brain of a child sex offender doesnt mean that im ok with what they do or that i sympathize not at all best believe if something were to ever happen to my daughter they would need to put me in jail for all of the horrendous things i had done to that poor Ba$%@^%. Thats all i have to say about that.



Now when it comes to the castration. One i did not know that they did that in texas which is where i live. I do not think that it should be allowed to castrate someone that just sounds like a crazy movie not something that would happen in real life! But as far as that pill goes i dont think there is anything wrong with that but i dont think it should be castration or be considered castration because it more affects the brain and hormone levels. But does it work on women or no?? I mean its obvious that women as sex offenders isnt common but can happen and i would like them to get the same punishment. if a woman molested your daughter or young son im sure you'd feel the same way right?? which altho uncommon should be treated equally. I agree that they should be punished more severly i cant believe what someone wrote the punishment is worse if you kill a cat then if you sexually offend someone ( touched) ???!!! what is that! My fiance went to juvie when he was younger and he told me that all the sex offenders were bunked together and in their own section and he said that was the worst section they would rape and touch each other it was just crazy. But i do think when they go to prison the sex offenders get it the worst.



Also of course i think it should be done on a case by case basis i had a friend whos brother got labled a sex offender because he had sex with his gf who was a year or two younger she got in trouble cuz she got home late so she said that he raped her. LONG story but yea in certain instances i think we can all agree that castration would not be justifiable. However i do think that we should all be able to look up sex offenders on that website for free it should be our right to know who is living next to us. But it should also list what their offense was.



In the end i really dont kno if extensive counseling really helps but i do think that if a sexual predator is released then it should be mandatory that they go to counseling and receive that pill. Because a sexual predator in the end is still a human being therefore entitled to basic rights BUT are not entitled to all. That politically is what i think they should do as far as for me they wouldnt be given a second chance.



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Jenn - posted on 01/30/2011

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Let's try to be careful with extreme language. Is anything ever really "always" or "never"? Not likely. I'ts not fair to say that they "always re-offend".

Tracey - posted on 01/30/2011

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My neighbour used to be a prison guard, he always said the only time prisoners and guards really co-operate was when sex offenders especially child abusers and old lady rapists where in prison, cell doors mysteriously got left open and the sex offenders ended up severely injured - and no-one saw or heard anything.

Jane - posted on 01/29/2011

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To me, sex offenders should get the death penalty. Saves a ton of money that way. The always reoffends so if we just ace their asses, it's done and over with.

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I'm pretty damn emotional, too, Gina - I've known people who have been raped - but there's still no excuse for further violence. We're better than that!

Gina - posted on 01/29/2011

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I like Nikkole's island ideal! Dana yeh not realistic,but I like it! You're a much better person than me, but I do hate, it's how I feel.@ Kathy, I do understand what you're saying,but like I said it's too emotional for me.

Jenn - posted on 01/29/2011

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@Veronica - yes, if an 18 year old gets caught banging his minor bf - then he has consequences to face. Castration should not be a part of that.

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No. A sex offender doesn't mean a pervert. What about the 18 year old who had consensual sex with his underage girlfriend?

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Just to add - my vehement disagreement with the idea of castration (and capital punishment) is not from any feeling for the offender - I have none - but because such violence coarsens our community. We are supposed to be civilised!

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They should be locked up in solitary confinement for the rest of their lives, no second chances, no rehabilitation, no excuses.

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NO! It's not an issue of punishment, it's how we view ourselves in a civilised society. We do not inflict this sort of torture on anyone, no matter how heinous the crime.

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