sick of our throw away society!!!!

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Grrrr am i the only one that is sick of living in a throw away society....today i tried to buy some nuts and bolts to fix a bed, it is maybe 13 years old and had a few moves and over time i have managed to lose 1 too many bolts, i tried bunnings, 3 furniture shops and 2 other hardware stores and none had a piece to fix it, the bed is fine, it is a wooden double bed, and apart from the missing bolts it is perfect still, and yet i can 't buy a $2 bolt to fix it (infact i really only need to buy the nut i can find a bolt no issue)
, i joking (well half anyway) said to the guy at the last furniture store, i bet you could sell me a great new bed though, he didn't even miss a beat and said "we have great deals and finance on at the moment"
who else has had this prob, it really pisses me off!!!!

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Kylie - posted on 10/11/2011

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see thats the problem Sherri, it's cheap for you at that moment but who is really paying for those products? The cost of production is less that the supermarket shelf price because the plantation slaves, factory workers, the children who live in poverty and who parents work for $2 a day, our environment etc are paying. big time.

Have you seen the story of stuff...its a good one to watch with your older kids.

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Sara,
You can get on Google and type in Story of Stuff.

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If you want to stop and are sick of all the stuff here is an idea....do like I do...DON'T SHOP AT WAL-MART! They are the bane of America. They are the cause of the economy crash. They are the reason why we consume so much. DO NOT EAT AT MCDONALDS! They are the reason why our meat packing companies are the way they are. They are the reason why our cows eat corn, our chickens are pumped full of hormones and our 6 year old daughters have boobs. DO NOT BUY TYSON PRODUCTS OR SMITHFIELD PRODUCTS. Tyson treats their chicken farmers like crap. They make them feed their chickens hormone injected foods and then only pay them for the chickens that are alive and healthy. A family member lost half of his chickens last year, after Tyson made him feed his chickens a new feed, he only go half of the pay. He has a family of 5 to support. Smithfield goes to Mexico, on their private Jets, and bring illegal immigrants and their families back to America. They make them in their factory for less than minimum wage and when they start to complain about not getting paid enough to feed their family guess what the HQ at Smithfield does? They call Immigration Services on the complainer and they have then deported back to Mexico. This is an agreement Smithfield has with Immigration Services. Immigration turns a blind eye to Smithfield and when Smithfield thinks they have enough they have the people deported.!

Some other interesting things you all should know:

*Wal-Mart costs tax-payers $1,557,000,000,000 a year because, they do not compensate their employees enough to afford basic living and they do not offer an affordable, decent health care package.

* Wal Mart spends:
$7,000 ANTI-UNION CAMERA PACKAGE per store
$30,000 UNDERCOVER SPY VAN per store
$100,000 24 hour ANTI-UNION HOTLINE
$7,000,000 Rapid response team with CORPORATE JET
If you are caught talking about Unions at Wal-Mart you are fired.

*Wal-Mart has been cited more than 40 times by the National Labour Relations Board for using illegal tactics (such as threats and firings) to deny its workers the right to have a union.

*Wal-Mart workers in Jonquiere, Quebec successfully organized their workplace through the United Food and Commercial Workers’ Union. Wal-Mart’s response was to close the store. 200 workers lost their jobs.

* Americans spend $36,000,000 every hour every day at Walmart but, they can not afford to provide their workers with decent wages and health care.

*Wal-Mart actually reduced the take-home pay of retail workers by $4.7 BILLION dollars annually

*Wal-Mart says that "Wal-Mart's 'full time' status begins at 34 hours per week, not 28, for associates hired after 2002." Before 2002, however, Wal-Mart's definition of full-time WAS 28 hours per week, and was raised in 2002 to 34 hours per week in order to raise the bar for healthcare eligibility for their employees - as the raise in hours coincided with the increase in eligibility requirements for healthcare.

*Lee Scott earnings for 2005: $27,207,799
HELEN WALTON: $18.0 BILLION
ALICE WALTON: 18.0 BILLION
JOHN WALTON: 18.2 BILLION
ROB WALTON: $18.3 BILLION
JIM WALTON: $18.3 BILLION
Average WAL-MART Hourly Sales Employee Earnings: $13,861

*The WALTON FAMILY Has Given LESS THAN 1% of Their Wealth to Charity
Bill Gates has given 58%

*A WAL-MART Worker may donate money from their paycheck to the CRITICAL NEED FUND, a program to aid other employees in times of crisis, like a fire or tornado.
In 2004, WAL-MART Employees gave OVER $5 MILLION to help fellow workers

*The WALTON FAMILY received a federal tax cut of: $91,500.00 per HOUR in the 2004 tax year. There are about 8,766 hours in a year. They got a tax break of $802,089,000.

*This one made me so upset that I called the manager of my local Wal-Mart and complained. The "Great Value" Milk that you buy at Wal-Mart is NOT cow's milk. This milk is POWDERED milk. If you go to the baking aisle where the POWDERED milk is the "Great Value" brand POWDERED milk is the same as the milk you have in your buggy.

After speaking to the store manager, and him confirming this for me, he got fired. They have had a new manager for about a year now.

This is just the tip of the ice burg on Wal-Mart, Tyson and Smithfield. PLEASE, for our economy, stop buying from Wal-Mart!

Someone (a supporter of Wal-Mart) asked me, if Wal-Mart were to shut down our economy would go futhur down because that is another 1.3 million people without jobs.

THIS IS NOT TRUE!

If Wal-Mart were to ever go out of business other businesses would open, mom and pop shops would come back, buying local would boom, creating MORE jobs!

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"Walmart might seem cheaper because the prices are lower, but really they are more expensive because we have to pay higher taxes to support the government programs their employees depend on to live because walmart does not pay enough to support a family."

Nailed it Kelly. I'll just add that we don't just end up paying extra taxes to support government programs for their employees, but also for subsidies for industries where the price of goods has been driven down below the cost to provide them buy Walmart's predatory purchasing practices. Government subsidies to farmers and manufacturers are created to prevent these people from going out of business because they are no longer receiving enough money from their customers to cover their costs. Walmart is destructive on both the vending and the purchasing sides. They destroy the communities in which they have their stores and they destroy the industries from which they procure. Americans lose more than just retail jobs from Walmart's success.

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Walmart might seem cheaper because the prices are lower, but really they are more expensive because we have to pay higher taxes to support the government programs their employees depend on to live because walmart does not pay enough to support a family.

I'd rather spend a little more at a store that pays their employees properly--if a store is going to pay minimum wage, they need to have very flexible schedules so that their employees can work around other jobs or school. Walmart does not do that--they want their part time, minimum wage employees to work 30 hours a week--2 hours short of the minimum for providing health insurance--and be available for work all the time--nights, weekends, days...

Luckily, my community fought back against them. In the past 5 years, we have shut down 3 walmarts. Not a big deal nationally, but HUGE for our local business owners and proof that if a community comes together, we can make a difference.

Kylie - posted on 10/11/2011

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Sherri, I think the point I'm trying to make is to be just being aware and make small changes. Inform your kids. I’m not perfect when it comes to consuming, I still buy disposable nappies from the big supermarket chains here even though I know what I’m supporting and the environment impact, But you can focus on certain things like buying locally grown fresh produce, checking on the packet where the food is produced, if it contains palm oil, has been tested on animals etc etc. I think a big thing that helps is buying less packaged, processed items. Don’t buy bottled water, use a metal reusable one. Shit, there are so many ways to cut down on buying stuff. You don’t have to do everything but small changes make a difference.
I focus on buying locally, buying fewer packaged foods and I boycott unethical companies like proctor &gamble and nestle. I also try to grow some of my own food and keep chickens for free range eggs. We also don’t eat much meat because of the cost. If I lived in America I would only eat free range, grass fed beef. Those concentration camps for corn fed cows are absolutely disgusting.

I prefer to eat less meat and pay a bit more from the butcher, because I'm supporting small business and its better quality and sometimes it's cheaper.

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Isobel - posted on 10/14/2011

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I just checked BigW's website...that's what walmart was like a few years ago... I think the "Superstore" has taken over during the last 5-10 years

Stifler's - posted on 10/14/2011

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I thought WalMart was like BigW but apparently they have everything.

Isobel - posted on 10/14/2011

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Interesting little tidbit I just learned about Walmart in business school...just to help lend a little scale (because I don't believe that understanding just HOW massive Walmart is):



1% of Walmart's sales are jewelry....that makes them the single biggest retail jeweler on the planet.

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They do not allow most cashiers to get over 25 hours a week so they do not have to pay them more or provide a better health care plan to them.

Wal-Mart is not the only guilty party but, they are the biggest guilty party. I have meet people here that have worked at Winn-Dixie for YEARS before, Wal-Mart came here.

The workers for Winn-Dixie were cashiers working full time (35 or more hours a week) making $8 or $9 an hour with fantastic health benefits. When Wal-Mart came in the company changed full time status to 40 hours, cut health care and work hours. So now Winn-Dixie is looked at as being a bad place to work because, they do not provide for their employees.

It is a sic vicious cycle.

Isobel - posted on 10/14/2011

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Brittany beat me to it...Walmart is WELL known for scheduling their employees just short of enough hours for full time...I'll look it up for you

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NH Wal-Marts As of June 2011, the average wage for regular, full-time hourly associates in New Hampshire is $13.27 per hour
http://walmartstores.com/pressroom/state..."

How many FULL TIME EMPLOYEES do they have? I will bet you it is not many. Full Time at WalMart is 38 hours. How many Wal-Mart Cashiers work 38 hours?

The National Average for a Part-Time Employee of Wal-Mart is $8.80 an hour. They are getting closer to that than the $13.27 you stated.

The $13.27 pertains to the mangers walking around.

Sherri - posted on 10/13/2011

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I bet our cost of living may be less than yours would be why Emma & Sal.

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I started on 14.49 an hour when I got my first real job. Before that it was 8 dollars an hour at the country club. Worst. job.ever.

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thanks, i don't think i have ever worked for less than 15 even at high school i didn't, and my teen son was on about the 15ish mark at a perol station

Sherri - posted on 10/13/2011

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@Sal minimum wage is the avg. starting pay in NH for any retail job and that is $7.75 an hr.

Sherri - posted on 10/13/2011

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At Kelly a small family of 1-3 with two incomes could make it work and then some.



If my husband continued to work and I went to work at Wal-mart full time we would virtually dbl our pay and would need zero assistance and we would be living the high life. Just saying.



Nobody in their right mind would think you could work full time at Wal-Mart with a large family and support them wonderfully that is a pipe dream that someone is smoking. Who works retail and is able to do that in any retail job??? I know nobody.

Sherri - posted on 10/13/2011

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My husband gets overtime so he avgs 45 hrs a wk. But yes we live with a family of 5 for an avg of $39,000 a year. Why the F*ck would I lie??????? The only help we get is $300 a month in food stamps the rest we do 100% on our own and yes that includes our house, phone, electric, car pymt, car, house, life inusrance



I am not obtuse or disagreeable but for RETAIL it is a LOT of money and quite a livable wage way more than you would get in ANY other retail setting.

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Sherri, your husband makes $15/hour, which is more than the average Full time walmart employee, and you are on government assistance (Medicaid & Food stamps), so you kind of proved our point. If you can't survive on $15/hour without help, how could they survive on $13/hour or less without help?



I worked at the GAP in high school, in the 90's, and made $10.50/hour! That's great for a high school kid, but it wouldn't support a family.



Edited to add: Most of the Full time hourly employees are lower management employees and supervisors. They do not give regular associates full time positions. $13/hour for a supervisory position, imo, is pretty crappy.

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So you are making $30K per year gross and living well supporting a family of 5? I make more than that on my own and live a fairly simple life. Either you are lying or also getting government/family/charitable assistance in some form.

It is not a shit load of money. Why are you being deliberately obtuse? Do you disagree for fun?

Sherri - posted on 10/13/2011

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Hell my husband is making $15/hr paying for his own health insurance and his own dental insurance and supporting a family of 5.



So yes for retail that is a shit load of money especially since every other retail place arounds avg is $7.75 an hr. Wal-mart is paying their employees almost dbl that.

Jenny - posted on 10/13/2011

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Riiiight, because $13.27 gross per hour is high on the hog, especially when paying for your own healthcare. What do the PT workers make? What is the ratio of FT to PT workers?

Sherri - posted on 10/13/2011

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NH Wal-Marts As of June 2011, the average wage for regular, full-time hourly associates in New Hampshire is $13.27 per hour
http://walmartstores.com/pressroom/state...

Holy crap that is a shit load of money to work just retail. My husband who is a truck driver for a living only started at $14. Sorry but if they can't live on $13 an hr for retail we have a serious problem.

Jenny - posted on 10/13/2011

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That's right Kelly, supporting WalMart is supporting subsiding poor paying jobs in other jobs. All while WalMart rakes in the profits. It's lazy.

I shop at union stores that I know are a paying a livable and choosing my goods as locally as possible. I make most of my food from scratch so WalMart would not offer me much in the way of saving money by sacrificing quality. If you are happy feeding fish sticks and fruit roll ups then the WalMart lifestyle probably suits you fine. Destroys the planet but, hey, at least you saved a couple of dollars. You'll need them in your later years to cover health care costs for eating shit food.

Short term gains for long terms pain. The shortfalls of many for the win falls of a few. WalMart represent everything that is wrong with our society

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Yeah, Wal-Mart IS cheaper at face value. We still chose not to shop there, for various reasons. Like Brittany, we have a Winn Dixie. The prices may SEEM higher, but if you have a customer reward card the prices are actually lower. The sales are fantastic. Plus, for every so much money I spend, I get .05 off at Shell gas stations. I actually spend LESS money than when I used to shop at Wal-Mart. We just do without some of those things that are only found there. And we've made other lifestyle changes as well...gardening, buying from farmers. I can't speak for the US or world as a whole, but here where I live it is totally possible to stay out of Wal-Mart and still pay other bills.

Sherri - posted on 10/12/2011

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I have options just none as inexpensive. I never said their were no other stores Jenny. I said there was none as inexpensive that I could afford to shop for some things at.

Read what I write before you criticize please.

Jenny - posted on 10/12/2011

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If no other stores closed Sherri, that would mean they are competitive with Walmart and that you DO have options. So which is it?

Sherri - posted on 10/12/2011

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Exactly why I always pay the extra $2 or $3 and buy the extended insurance. That way I know if there is a problem walk in they hand me a new one and I am on my way.

However, for cameras I only buy Cannon as I know they will last an eternity. Amazing quality and amazing pictures.

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Yeah and how about cameras?? They last about a year then...oh sorry... the shutter doesn't close any more. Buy another one!

Brittany - posted on 10/12/2011

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Get on Google and look up how many different places have had to close stores, file bankruptcy, fire workers and lost their family business after Wal-Hell moved in.

Sherri - posted on 10/12/2011

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That may be the case where you are but I will say nothing and no other stores have closed because of Wal-Mart where I am.

Isobel - posted on 10/12/2011

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If you live in a smallish town...EVERYTHING can only be found at Walmart...It's a very specific part of their predator pricing strategy. Once a Walmart opens up, all the other stores close down.

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Sherri,

I need to know what it is your buying at Wal-Mart that you can't find ANYWHERE else and I will be more then glad to help you find some place else to shop.

I often buy my households needs from Target, I frequent the dollar stores, often the local drug stores have house hold items on sale. I live on the Gulf Coast and we have VERY VERY few mom and pop shops that sell anything outside of arts and crafts.

I also know Target has comparable prices to Wal-Mart, although they are Big Business they are Small Business compared to Wal-Mart.

I do not know where you live Sherri but, Winn-Dixie has some very good meat deals every single week. They are often better than Wal-Mart and the meat tastes better. Piggly Wiggly is another good place to get your meat from.

The local butcher here is a bit more expensive than Winn-Dixie but, he is still affordable. The only problem is he is about a 30 to 45 min drive from my home, depending on traffic. We get our seafood live, right off the boat. We do not eat much red meat and when we do buy it we buy in a small quantity.

You said you can not afford the butcher in your area then you can help your family by eating ground turkey instead of beef, buying meat that is hormone free and buying organic vegetables. YES they are more expensive but, not enough to make a different.

A vast majority of the meat we buy is hormone free, organic and cage free. It tastes better, cooks better and is healthier.

Eat fish once a night. Fish is often on sale. Try to buy wild caught, if you can, but, farm raised is fine to. Adding a fish to your diet once a week is good for you and your family. There are MILLIONS of ways to cook fish!

Baked meat or grill meat (grilling chicken is one of the most unhealthy things you can do charcole grill), it is better for you. Add salad as a starter to meals once or twice a week.

There are millions of thing you can do to make food go longer and eat healthier. Inbox me Sherri, if you need some more help or ideas.

Jenny - posted on 10/11/2011

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Sherri, if you look at, say, a coffee maker one buys at Walmart for $20 do you honestly think it is worth that? Consider every little piece has traveled around the world to form the final products: plastics, metals, paint, motors etc. Labour, shipping, profit etc. for every single piece. Does that sound right to you?



No, it's not. It's just that others around the world are subsidizing the cost of our cheap goods with their lives and livelihoods. They work for pennies on the dollar and live in substandard conditions. Every step of the manufacturing process creates toxins and destroys the environment. The creation of goods is kept from our eyes because we would be less likely to buy them when we realized the destruction the creation of them causes.



They also hide the waste part of the cycle of stuff. Have you looked into where you recyclables go? Parts are picked out for metal and such to be resold, some are actually reused such as cardboard and glass. The rest is left in big festering pile in the neighborhoods of the world's destitute. They pay money for our garbage, use what they can and then just dump it. Every last Lego piece, crayon, Barbie, book, Princess outfit, keyboard, cell phone, lamp, printer, sock. Everything leaves an impression.



We HAVE to break our obsession with stuff. It's killing all of us.

Isobel - posted on 10/11/2011

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I haven't read anything yet but have you looked at home depot?

or any other hardware store?

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We do not shop at Walmart...actually we don't even have one in our town. I shop mainly at HEB and only buy the Texas grown produce and get the local Beef and Chicken. And just FYI do your research on the produce you buy...some of it may be organic but since the company does not pay the price to have organic put on their label most people do not know.

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Not everyone can do everything, but everyone can do something.

I was thinking earlier that if more people were aware and bought grass-fed beef (or free range eggs or whatever) the demand would increase, supply would increase, and price would decrease. So if people bought the good stuff when they were able (and helped spread the word so others will be aware and make better buying decisions) it would be better for us all in the long-run price wise...and more people could afford the good stuff. I dunno...maybe I'm idealistic.

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The butcher is cheaper here and you can choose what you want like 7 chops as opposed to just gettig whatever is left of the packaged meat the the supermarket. I swear they also charge for packaging at coles or include the weight of the plastic box in the "net' weight. ripoff merchants.

Sherri - posted on 10/11/2011

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Kylie I can't afford to pay $7-$8 a pd at a butcher vs. $2-$3 at the grocery store. If I did that quite honestly our family would not eat. Especially since we go through 2lbs for every meal.

So do the math $4 at the grocery store or $14 at the butcher hands down it isn't even an option. $14 at the butchers for one meal is 3 meals at the grocery store.

So what does someone like me do that can't afford to do it differently quite literally?

Sherri - posted on 10/11/2011

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It is wonderful you feel this way Brittany but most people can't afford to live only buying from a local butcher. I certainly couldn't. We usually only buy store brand meats.

I also couldn't survive not buying certain things from Wal-Mart simply because of cost alone. Find me a comparable store as far as prices anywhere else and I will gladly shop there instead. (Although I do not buy clothing from Wal-Mart).

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I want to let you ladies in on a little secret. The chickens that you buy from Tyson are abused. They are pumped full of hormones while they still in the egg. Most of them will NEVER walk. They get so big so fast and their legs can not keep up with. They sit in their poop until they come to haul them off. They never see daylight.

Cows are fed corn. Guess what cows are not supposed to eat? Corn. Corn causes them to grow tumors in their stomachs and intestines. When the tumors get big enough they cut out a hole in the cows side and remove the tumor. They then put a funnel in the wound, one like you would have put on your dog after surgery. Flies come along and lay eggs that grow into maggots. They allow the maggots to eat away the rotten and infections. The funnel is removed and the cows is slaughtered. Not cleaned and slaughtered, just slaughtered.

These cows are on HUGE plantations and are forced to stand in knee high poop all day long. They are taken off, skinned and slaughtered.

To save money they have changed the sanitation process. Many companies now wash their meats in bleach. Yes BLEACH. They give the meat a bleach bath before the package it.

These places are not shut down because, they have the Health Department, a Government Agency, in their back pockets.

Support your local butcher. Got to a slaughtering farm and ask them where you can buy local raised meats. You can see where it is coming from. Support your local farmers.

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There are other companies I do not care for but, those three are at the top of my list!

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High five Brittany. I've been boycotting these companies for years.



One of my favourite quotes: "Every dollar you spend is a vote for what you beleive in." I beleive in supporting a livable wage for employees.

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Check on all of the above. You are preaching to the choir, honey. :)


BTW, who was it that said they don't like the term "honey"? I think it was someone here...lol!

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Kelly,

You should tell your friend that some crazy Catholic woman on the internet gets a thrill out of shopping also.....at the Rescue Mission or the Salvation Army!

When we moved where we are now my children out grew their beds and I said it was time for bunk beds for the boys. $1,000!!! I said OH NO! My bed was not even that much. Those were the cheap ones to.

I went to the local Mission and guess what they had? A BRAND NEW BUNK BED! The bed included two new (still wrapped) mattresses. The people who donated did so because, it was missing a screw when they received it! So they bought their kids a whole new bed! I got that bunk bed for $75! Now that is a deal and I am providing.

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omg jenny, i just watched the story of stuff....i'm sickened. compeltely sickened.

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Ack, printer cartridges. Yep. I had to get rid of a perfectly functional printer-scanner-fax machine because it wouldn't do anything (even scan to computer or fax outgoing) if all of the cartridges weren't at least 50%. And the colour ones cost $56/each. Ha! Of course, there is no way of knowing that when you buy the bleeping thing. I bought it for my business, and man, it was a money bleeder. I took it to the electronics recycling depot a couple months ago and the guy asked me if it worked. I told him why I was bringing it in and he told me that almost all the printers that they get are still functional, but people give up on them because of the cost of cartridges. What a huge waste! THAT should be criminal.

We've cut down on our throw away rate so much in the last few years. It feels so good. I'm really anal about what we buy now. It drives my husband a bit nuts because I ask him at least 20 questions before he buys anything. But of course, by the time I'm done he realizes that he really doesn't actually need it.

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I know, right! The kids DON'T play with the toys....she just keeps buying them. They like the thrill of getting something new, and she likes the thrill of giving them something, she says it makes her feel like she is "providing". Personally, I think that is sad, *I* thought "she needs therapy" but all the moms in the group immediately identified :P It makes them feel better about themselves!

I asked them why they don't just donate extra stuff, since it is the purchase that makes them feel good and they said, that they didn't want to take the purchase experience away from other moms (OMG!!!! I live around these people!!) and that sometimes they just like to look at all the things they've bought :P Baffling.

Sherri - posted on 10/10/2011

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Sadly it is cheaper to replace most things because they are made so cheaply then ever even consider fixing it anymore because it actually costs more to repair it then replace it.



However, that is the society we live in people want to buy things inexpensively rather than go for quality.



When we bought our TV they told us they are only made to last now for 2yrs. 2yrs are you flipping joking???

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