Smothering children with pillows.

Darlena - posted on 10/06/2010 ( 11 moms have responded )




Pundit Virginia Ironside made a statement that was supposed to offer support to the pro-choice side of the abortion debate. She shocked the BBC television hose with this statement:

"If I were the mother of a suffering child - I mean a deeply suffering child - I would be the first to want to put a pillow over its face... If it was a child I really loved, who was in agony, I think any good mother would."

For more context, it was amid many other comments pertaining specifically to abortion.

Do you think this is a boon or a black eye for pro-choicers? Do you think these two scenarios are comparable? Do you think this woman is absolutely nuts? How do you feel about the life of a born child with disabilities versus an unborn fetus that may have disabilities?


Sharon - posted on 10/06/2010




Think about 3rd stage cancer. Mind blown with round after round of pain killing drugs, drugs that aren't even working any more. The pain is still there, which is killing them? the drugs? or the cancer? They are in pain, no hope of recovery.... Parents have been doing this since the discovery of chemo. They stop the chemo. They quit trying. Instead of torturing their child over & over with ZERO quality of life, they quit trying, they let go.

We don't make our pets suffer like that.

While I'm not sure I could let go or kill my child I would hope someone could be stronger than me.

It is neither a boon nor a black eye. It is her personal feelings.

If she were comparing a child suffering with a fetus to be born with hideous deformities that would have ZERO quality of life, then yeah, the situations ARE comparable.

No she isn't nuts. Well, by that one statement, I say she isn't anyway.

A child with downs is NOT comparable a baby with anencephaly. A child with downs HAS a quality of life, a pretty good quality of life. Versus being born with half a body or no limbs or a compromised siamese twin....

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I wouldnt do that or to anyone else's child but to watch any child suffer is heartbreaking, so imagine if it were the child you carried for 9 months and gave birth to.I know for one i would wish them to pass and be put out of there pain forever.If i was 100% sure the unborn child i was carrying was severely disabled with no quality of life i would abort as hard as it would be i dont think a child should live like that i know i wouldnt want to live like that.

JuLeah - posted on 10/07/2010




It was hard. I did call animal control, but was told it would be hours. I had no means of transporting the cat, so thought it was the lesser of two evils.

JuLeah - posted on 10/06/2010




She is talking about quality of life. I once came upon a cat that had been shot. I was able to see through the cat the hole was so large. It had lost so much blood, it was not really bleeding any more. It had clearly not eaten for some time, it was sooo dirty and I could see the bugs crawling over this poor thing. For whatever reason this cat was still alive and struggling to stand.
I bashed it over the head with a big stick.
It was so hard to do, I am tearing up even as I write this, but I think it was the correct thing to do. I might have left it be to die on its own, but somehow that seem worse.
There are illness child get/are born with that leave them with nothing but pain and suffering, yet we are not allowed to offer them the same release as I gave the cat. One is murder one is 'putting it out of its pain'

But where to draw that line? What is a disability too hard to live with for some, might not be for another.

It is a quality of life thing and I am not sure how I judge that for another person .... though I guess I made the call for the cat. Hummmm

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Louise - posted on 10/07/2010




This all boils down to quality of life. If my child was suffering and there was no hope at all of ever making a recovery I would have to ask the hospital to stop all treatment and concentrate on pain management. There is no point putting a child through hours of painful treatment to no avail. I think if you knew whilst pregnant that you were bringing a child into the world that would know nothing but pain and misery would you really go through with the pregnancy I would like to think that all mums out there would not want this and would take steps to stop it.

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I have to agree with Sharon on this one. Juleah also has a point. Though *I* could never actually do that to someone, or even just to a cat (I'd probably be curled up in the fetal position bawling), but I can see what she means. I have a cousin who has spina bifida, many people think that would be incredibly hard to live with, but she has an awesome and fulfilling life; so I really think it depends on the severity of the disability. If it was something that a child would be agonizing over, and literally could not have even a semblance of a normal life...I can see what she's saying...otherwise, as pro-choice as I am...nope can't do it. I don't think this helped the cause at all.

April - posted on 10/06/2010




@ JuLeah i wouldn't have killed the cat...i would have tried to get it to a vet where it could be properly euthanized. i just wouldn't have been able to kill arms and hands would never cooperate. i cannot imagine what you must have went through.

Kimberly - posted on 10/06/2010




I don't think she's nuts. I can see where she is coming from but I don't think she realized the backlash her honesty would cause. It's unfortunate.

Krista - posted on 10/06/2010




I agree with Kate. I can see her point, but man oh man, how could she not predict the firestorm that her comment would ignite?

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Yeah this isn't going to win the pro-choice side any votes. I understand what she meant but the choice of words was very poor indeed.

Kate CP - posted on 10/06/2010




I can see where she's coming from but at the same time she REALLY didn't help the cause.

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