Son is learning rhymes in public school to learn numbers.

Sherri - posted on 09/30/2011 ( 28 moms have responded )

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So my son started a public kindergarten this year. Now I am religious so this does not bother me in the least. However, I know how angry some parents can be about certain religious references.

So here is the rhyme they were taught. Across the sky, down from heaven this how you make a seven. That is just one of the examples, that I can remember off the top of my head.

So thoughts? Does this or would this bother you? If so why?

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If anyone complains about this I personally think they have a few screws loose. Aything that helps our kids learn we should embrace.

Krista - posted on 10/02/2011

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Jen, it's the same damned excuse they use any time a professed Christian does something bad.

"Oh, well he wasn't a TRUE Christian."

It's a convenient way to keep your faith (or nationality, or political stance) "pure", by disavowing anybody who deviates from your own idea of how someone in your "club" should think or act.

See also: RINO.

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I was referring to the Not a True Scotsman fallacy. I suggest you look it up the next time you suggest Catholics are not real Christians.

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"P.S. I do not care what anyone tells you Catholicism is Paganism in disguise! That is whole different topic though! "

och! nae True Scotsmen eh?

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Brittany - posted on 10/02/2011

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"och! nae True Scotsmen eh?"

No I am not. I am Irish. My great-grandmother immigrated from Ireland.

Isobel - posted on 10/02/2011

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I don't know WHICH "heaven" you are talking about...I am discussing the one that Helios drives his chariot through every day to bring us warmth and light...such a nice guy that Helios.

Merry - posted on 10/02/2011

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Nope doesn't bother me but it is quite a long rhyme for such a small number haha

Jenni - posted on 10/02/2011

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Actually, the word "heaven" has original roots to the word: "sky or heaven (place where gods dwell).



Considering that 2000-6000 (just giving an approximate here) human beings were a superstitious bunch who attributed anything inexplicable to paranormal. The idea of the sky and a deity often went hand and hand. It would be impossible to separate the two. The unknown of the universe and some supernatural explanation.



The "skies" being (for much time in our history) some unattainable space would naturally coincide with a belief that their gods resided there.



So the word "Heaven" was often times non-interchangeable. In fact, in many languages there was no distinction between the two words; Heaven or Sky.



But considering, even most religious people nowadays know that the sky (as in the one we can see with the naked eye, with telescopes and satellite imaging) is probably not where their god resides. The word itself can become misconstrued.



It's origins were often used to refer to both; skies and heaven (where gods dwell). Although the contemporary use of the word is more often associated with a realm where god(s) dwell(s)... there is really no wrong answer in what the word "Heaven" can mean to us as individuals.



An atheist/agnostic can take the old meaning to refer to the skies.



Those who are religious can take the word to mean where their god(s) dwell(s).

Brittany - posted on 10/01/2011

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Laura "Heaven was the sky LONG before the God people took it ;)"

If you want to go that route, the good book (like, there is a bad book running around) says that "God created the Heavens and the Earth."

The sky is part of the Earth. So God created the sky. Which means it belongs to God. Seeing as how human beings have passed travel way beyond the sky and have yet to run into Jesus, Mary or God once could make a safe assumption that the sky and Heaven are not the same place.

I may have missed it in the gas station but, I do not recall seeing a map to Heaven.

So seeing has how everything was created by God, then he owns the sky.

Then again if you do not believe in God then, no one owns the sky.

Depends on your beliefs.

As far as "The God People" goes, Christianity dates back a very very very long time but, before Christianity we had Paganism which dates back WAY before Christianity., Julius Caesar was Pagan. They prayed to the God's in the skies. So blame the Pagans.

P.S. I do not care what anyone tells you Catholicism is Paganism in disguise! That is whole different topic though!

April - posted on 10/01/2011

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If a child in my classroom asked me what "heaven" meant, I'd simply tell him/her to ask a parent.

Bridgette - posted on 10/01/2011

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If someone really has an issue with this, then they are going way too far!!! Unless something is specifically downing a religion then it needs to be left alone, otherwise it only gets made an issue by someone who wants it to be an issue! There is so place in the rhyme that should make anyone offended who is not already looking to be offended.

Brittany - posted on 10/01/2011

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I am Catholic so no it does not bother me. I can see where someone may get offended by it but, really? They are rhyming to make an association on how the number seven looks not trying to beat Jesus into your child's head.

I live in the Bible belt (South Alabama to be exact) and they still say The Pledge of Allegiance in public schools here. I am not so sure if they do it everywhere else anymore. I know when I was in high school (2001 - 2005) they were trying to have it removed from public schools.

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Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Now, if they said, "on to 7 where God is the master of Heaven" I would probably be a little more concerned.

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It doesn't bother me at all for the reasons already mentioned 1) What else rhymes with seven and 2) the heavens refer to the sky.

Jenni - posted on 10/01/2011

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I'm not going to get my panties in twists about it. I sing "This Old Man" and "The ants go marching in". Some religious content doesn't bother me. And the idea of heaven can be subjective.

It would only bother me if my children were being forced to pray or sing praises to some deity that they don't believe in or worship.

But singing or rhyming about heaven (which is a great rhyming word to seven, btw) could mean a bunch of different things. It could simply mean the skies (the heavens).

JuLeah - posted on 10/01/2011

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Rhyme is a great way to teach sound, numbers, patterns ...and it is hard to come up with rhymes for 7. I think that is all there is to it

Minnie - posted on 10/01/2011

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Doesn't bother me- heaven could also be used as another word for sky.



What about the counting song "The Ants Go Marching"-



Get to number 7- the little one stops and prays to heaven.



Eh, I don't know, I'm not coming from the perspective of someone who doesn't believe in heaven.

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no. if you go around trying to block out everything that could be seen as religious then there would be a lot of things they would have to ban. some parents are just overly sensitive. if they are teaching actual religious hymns or verses from any bible/kuran/torah, etc then i understand why a parent would not want that but if ikt's just the word "heaven" i think that's a little over the top to complain

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I'd probably raise an eyebrow (which I did as reading) but then got sensible and said to myself, "Well the skies have been referred to as the heavens", whatever works. Now if they're making crucifixion references when learning how to draw a T, then I'd probably say something.

Firebird - posted on 09/30/2011

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Someone needs to pull the stick out of their ass if this bothers them. lol

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/30/2011

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Not really. Even if you are not religious....doesn't the heavens just refer to the skies above? Wasn't heaven made into a religious theme? I could be way off....but that is what I always thought. Doesn't bother me though....but it is kinda funny....learning a rhyme that is long to remember a simple number....but hell if it works, it works.

Lady Heather - posted on 09/30/2011

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I'm not bothered by that one. Anyways, it's not like there are a ton of words to rhyme with seven.

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