Supporting & Promoting

?? - posted on 09/12/2009 ( 18 moms have responded )

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If you support an issue, do you think it means that you are promoting that issue?



For example

I guess this works for the libs... they love to promote abortion and birth control.




- I have left out the name of the person posting, it is irrelevant and I do not want this to be a discussion about rep vs lib or the distortion of personal opinion.



I am honestly wondering if you think that because someone supports a womans choice to have an abortion and someone supports the use of birth control it means that they are PROMOTING abortion or birth control.



And I am not asking about whether or not you support/promote any of these issues either.



If you support someone's choice to play a sport - does that mean you are promoting that sport?

If you support someone's choice to buy a car - does that mean you are promoting that car?

If you support someone's choice to be a vegan - does that mean you are promoting being a vegan?



I am genuinely curious if these two things - to support and to promote go hand in hand or if they are completely different and should never be confused as one in the same?

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Jeannette - posted on 09/13/2009

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Quoting Mary:

I also want to say that I DON'T think supporting a woman's right to choose, AND working to protect that right, is the same thing as promoting abortion. I think that is problematic because it conflates two very different ideas. Supporting the right to privacy, (which we are garunteed under law) and promoting that right do NOT equal promoting abortion. You can work to ensure the right to make private medical decisions with a medical professional without PROMOTING abortion. The problem with moral dilemmas is that it is very easy to jump from one idea to another without realizing that you are doing it...this is called a logical fallacy (this particular one is called an irrelevant conclusion), and people on both sides of all arguments are guilty of doing this.



hmmm....because you are talking about abortion specifically, I am going to explain further my beliefs in support and promotion.



I believe in the woman's right to choose.  I chose to have my kids.  I choose not to financially or morally support any of my children if they choose abortion for themselvs.  I would still love them, but I would not support them, because it does go against what I believe to be the sanctity of life.  I support prevention....all kinds of prevention and promote prevention.



Now, other women can go have abortions for whatever reason they give.  I don't support my tax dollars supporting their decision.  Because I believe it to be wrong, especially as a method of birth control. 



I do support a national program say: abortion for all, for instance (an example) where people can make donations to a charity that would help women pay for abortions.  That way people who want to support abortions in all ways can help with the cause.



I will not fight for someone's right to have an abortion, but I won't fight against their right to have an abortion either.



I believe that if I am supporting a womans right to have an abortion AND fight for legislation, then I am going against what I believe.



Is this making sense?



I guess I tolerate abortion...not support it, from the example you've given?

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NO! I support a woman's right to choose to have an abortion but I definitely don't promote abortion in any way. I have no judgements or hard feelings about any woman who has had one, or who is considering one, or who will have one in the future. I personally don't believe it's right for ME. To put it more simply, I support abortion, but you won't ever see me wearing a tshirt that says so.

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Quoting Carol:

NO! (did I state that strongly enough?) I will support a person's right to do or believe things that I myself would not do or believe. For instance, I am opposed to Ultimate Fighting, some people in my city are trying to ban it from being conducted here, but I support the right of those who are interested in the sport to watch it here if they so choose. My support of this in no way equals condoning it. And I definitely DO NOT promote it. Personally, (and I will be lambasted for this) I find that people who are unable to discern the difference between supporting a choice and promoting that choice are simple and not capable of holding two complex thoughts and reconciling them.



Yeah....what Carol said.   This is what I would have said but Carol phrased it better.

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Absolutely not. And I become totally offended when people suggest the very same thing that the poster suggested. It makes it sound as though, because I support a woman's right to chose what is best for her in the situation, I actually *want* someone to go and have an abortion. That isn't the case. I would say I do endorse birth control-because I think that the ideal is for as few as possible abortions to happen, and as few as possible unwanted children to be born, and birth control is the logical way to prevent that. But I do not "endorse" or "promote" abortion-I just think we should get to choose. I support lots of ideas that I wouldn't live by or don't live by-the ability to own any breed of dog one wants, homosexual marriage, the ability to only eat vegetables if one so desires, the ability to smoke a cigarette and drink a beer, etc. I don't want to do all of those things, and I might even discourage it somewhat if I were asked for advice by a person, but I support their having those things as an option. I guess what I'm saying is that, to me, the availability of viable choices is more important than even what those choices are-that way we can live our lives in any number of ways without fearing legal action.

ME - posted on 09/13/2009

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I also want to say that I DON'T think supporting a woman's right to choose, AND working to protect that right, is the same thing as promoting abortion. I think that is problematic because it conflates two very different ideas. Supporting the right to privacy, (which we are garunteed under law) and promoting that right do NOT equal promoting abortion. You can work to ensure the right to make private medical decisions with a medical professional without PROMOTING abortion. The problem with moral dilemmas is that it is very easy to jump from one idea to another without realizing that you are doing it...this is called a logical fallacy (this particular one is called an irrelevant conclusion), and people on both sides of all arguments are guilty of doing this.

ME - posted on 09/13/2009

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There is an idea in Feminist theory called Praxis. It means that if you claim to support a right/ideal/belief, and do NOT practice what you preach, then you are lying to yourself about your support for that right/ideal/belief. This means that if you support a woman's right to choose, and don't complete some sort of active social justice work, that you DON'T actually support a woman's right to choose. The same would go for any issue. Claiming that you support the right for the LGBT population to marry whomever they choose, while not actively working to change the way things are is taking the easy way out. The active social justice componant is not only important, but necessary in so far as Feminism is concerned. I believe the same could be said for many religious groups...particularly Buddhists, and Christians (as far as I know).



I think that moral issues are different then some of the issues raised in the OP. Supporting freedom of choice in daily decision making capacities is not the same as supporting a contested moral issue, imo.

Ez - posted on 09/13/2009

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No need to apologise - that made me giggle LOL

And I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out the two are not mutually exclusive. Most free-thinking people can support a cause, action or idea without necessarily choosing it personally or promoting it to the masses. I don't understand why it's such a hard concept for some to grasp....

Charlie - posted on 09/13/2009

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My bra both supports AND promotes my breasts .

Sorry couldn't help it ;)

Jeannette - posted on 09/12/2009

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Quoting Lisa:

Well, I think if anyone is familiar with my opinions and ideas, you would have to make a resounding no to that question. I support your right to tattoo and pierce your body full of holes, but I, and I am quoting myself, HATEHATEHATE tattoos and piercings. I support your right to do a lot of ridiculous things, but I still think they are ridiculous. I am a strong advocate of freedom of expression, as long as it does not infringe on the rights of anyone elsse, but I would be aghast (horrified and generally peeved) if anyone thought I was promoting, for example, the indelible inking of garish symbols on one's body. Perish the thought!! I have to go - I'm too aghast to continue...



Agreed.  I support my daughter's choice to get multiple piercings, well, not really support, but refrain from making unnecessary remarks, but I don't promote them!



I support a woman's right to choose, but I don't promote abortion.



I support my son's football team and I DO promote them!



I support (sometimes, I think) making drugs legal, but I would never ever ever promote them.



I support my husband's right to watch UFC, but I don't promote it! lol!



 

Jinglebones - posted on 09/12/2009

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Well, I think if anyone is familiar with my opinions and ideas, you would have to make a resounding no to that question. I support your right to tattoo and pierce your body full of holes, but I, and I am quoting myself, HATEHATEHATE tattoos and piercings. I support your right to do a lot of ridiculous things, but I still think they are ridiculous. I am a strong advocate of freedom of expression, as long as it does not infringe on the rights of anyone elsse, but I would be aghast (horrified and generally peeved) if anyone thought I was promoting, for example, the indelible inking of garish symbols on one's body. Perish the thought!! I have to go - I'm too aghast to continue...

Dana - posted on 09/12/2009

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Yes, pretty ridiculous if you ask me. I don't think support and promote go hand in hand at ALL. Like you've pointed out.



If you support someone's choice to play a sport - does that mean you are promoting that sport?

If you support someone's choice to buy a car - does that mean you are promoting that car?

If you support someone's choice to be a vegan - does that mean you are promoting being a vegan?



Although this isn't about "libs" or abortion. I like to take a moment and ask WHY would anyone think that "libs" promote abortion. Ignorance if you ask me. Those extremist's must always take something and push it to an extreme. I guess that's the only way they'll have something to "fight" for. Must suck to be miserable

Amie - posted on 09/12/2009

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Quoting Carol:

  Personally, (and I will be lambasted for this) I find that people who are unable to discern the difference between supporting a choice and promoting that choice are simple and not capable of holding two complex thoughts and reconciling them.


I agree! More need to use the brains in their heads and work on fixing that.

Amie - posted on 09/12/2009

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That is RIDICULOUS. Just because I believe in people's right does not mean I am out promoting it.
"Here's a pamphlet, get an abortion."
Are you kidding me? Do people REALLY think like this? What has happened to common sense? Well I guess it's not so common anymore and should just be called sense. Honestly... I wonder if any of them actually sit there and go hmmm... what crap can I spew today? Cause that is all it its. Utter crap!!

Johnny - posted on 09/12/2009

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NO! (did I state that strongly enough?) I will support a person's right to do or believe things that I myself would not do or believe. For instance, I am opposed to Ultimate Fighting, some people in my city are trying to ban it from being conducted here, but I support the right of those who are interested in the sport to watch it here if they so choose. My support of this in no way equals condoning it. And I definitely DO NOT promote it. Personally, (and I will be lambasted for this) I find that people who are unable to discern the difference between supporting a choice and promoting that choice are simple and not capable of holding two complex thoughts and reconciling them.

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