The Leaky B@@b deleted on Facebook

Katherine - posted on 01/03/2011 ( 59 moms have responded )

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I don't know how many of you are familiar with this page...it's for breastfeeding support. Facebook has deleted it due to inappropriate picturesof breastfeeding moms. Could be the name too.
No matter, here goes FB again.

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Johnny - posted on 01/03/2011

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Because many people like the close bond that a photo of the beautiful act of breastfeeding conveys. There is a good reason that it has been expressed artistically throughout history. It is only the contemporary uptight American culture that has perverted it to something else.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/17922911@N0...

Johnny - posted on 01/03/2011

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Different group entirely Sherri. The Leaky B@@b was all about support. I was active there for a while after I found no support on the other group to which you are referring. It was a fantastic page. It is virtually impossible for any facebook page owner to totally control the photos posted by their members, particularly on a large group. As someone else here mentioned, if the photos were the problem, Facebook simply could have deleted them like they have many times before and left the group. If the photos exist in that group, they exist elsewhere in Facebook, so deleting the group doesn't actually stop the pictures or punish those posting them (I'm not condoning that either). I'm seriously convinced that Mark Zuckerberg is terrified of breasts that aren't attached to scantily clad 16 year old girls in lingerie. They are a big and powerful bunch of small-penised dorks.

Caitlin - posted on 01/03/2011

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Americans are uptight.. it's why I used to buy the British Maxim, because they aren't afraid of nipples.. I don't really see the big deal, I mean, it sucks, sure, but if you don't like it, either leave facebook or post your photos elsewhere. I have photos of my breastfeeding, just not on facebook, I don't see what the big deal is about HAVING to share them. I'll breastfeed where I need to, but I don't see why I have to post pics of it!

Katherine - posted on 01/04/2011

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Yeah Jessica posted that they were back. She had a lot of support to get back on FB.
How did you find that Loureen?

Mrs. - posted on 01/04/2011

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Facebook has rules about nudity. If feeding your child meant you had to see a bit of ball sack, that wouldn't be allowed either...no matter how beautiful the ball sack/baby bond was. Yeah, it doesn't seem fair because there might be a bunch of guys wearing budgie smugglers on facebook but they set the rules to begin with when you signed up.

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Charlie - posted on 01/04/2011

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Here is facebooks reply :


I sincerely apologize for the inconvenience you have experienced. Your Page was disabled in error. Your Page has been reactivated and you should be able to access it shortly.

Thanks for contacting Facebook,

...Lysander
User Operations
Facebook"


The leaky B@@b is back in action !

Mrs. - posted on 01/04/2011

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That is a point Liz. I hate to think about some sicko who thinks pics like that are a little too "beautiful".

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With how many creepy people are out there and men with breast and baby fetishes why would anyone want to post these on facebook anyway?

Bexterwhite - posted on 01/04/2011

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I have had to change my profile picture again!!!!!!
I thought mr face book might have grown up enough to deal with a nursing baby pic by now.
OH well the more times he sees it, the more comfortable he will become.

Johnny - posted on 01/04/2011

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It has been publicized and discussed frequently in the media. If there was to be a policy decision on the issue, it would come from somewhere near the top. By continuing to delete these photos, Facebook is implicitly being anti-breastfeeding.

And no, the deletions are not automated. If they were, all reported photos and content would be deleted. They are not. It took a local woman here almost a year to force Facebook to delete photoshopped pictures someone had done of her face on another person's naked body. She finally had to get a lawyer. The pictures were reported hundreds of times by different people and were never deleted. It was in our local press here quite a bit.

Katherine - posted on 01/04/2011

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Now Peaceful Parenting is showing BFing pics. I love them too. I hope they don't get themselves deleted. They were in alliance with TLB.

Jenn - posted on 01/04/2011

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OK - I rethought this a bit. I still stand by what I said as far as their rules or TOS, but why delete the whole group instead of just deleting the pictures? That would have made more sense. Now, having said that - perhaps they broke the TOS in another way. I have a friend who had 2 pages - one for her and one for her business. She had her account deleted because that breaks the TOS - you are only allowed to have one page and if you want to promote your business you either don't have a personal page or you're supposed to promote it on your personal page. I'm well aware that lots of people have more than one page, but like the other said, unless someone takes the time to report it then nothing will be done about it. And I totally agree with Cathy S. - I'm pretty sure that a billionaire business man isn't personally involved in anything to do with flagged photos or groups and likely has no clue nor does he care either way.

Johnny - posted on 01/03/2011

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LOL Loureen. That picture of Mary nursing Jesus actually shows a whole lot more than most photos I have seen on Facebook.... I wonder if Facebook would delete that one too? Hmm..

Frankly, I think it is completely and totally retarded and if they are not sophisticated enough to understand and handle the difference between sexualized nudity and breastfeeding then they should probably hire smarter employees.

Not to mention the enormous number of naked pictures showing breasts on Facebook that have never been deleted despite being reported. I might see your point Liz if they were the slightest bit consistent on this issue, but they are not.

Breastfeeding is not and never will be obscene or in any way and anyone who thinks so is a complete moron!

I find the continuation of this stupid situation is just starting to really really really piss me off. It's a fucking breast, get over it!

Charlie - posted on 01/03/2011

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Ok but unless babies heads are made of glass you cannot see the nipple when latched on .

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Nobody said it can't be conveyed artistically just not on a social network that has a no nudity policy. To me that is the point. There are so many sites that support breastfeeding and facebook could have a page that supports breastfeeding if the rules weren't broken.

Personally I don't care but one exception creates problems.

Johnny - posted on 01/03/2011

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I might point out if anyone misses it that this painting hangs in the Vatican.

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Only if its set to private which hers wasn't. Facebook can't do anything if there is no violation so why can't people post pictures of healthy breast fed babies, they don't have to be on the boob.

Johnny - posted on 01/03/2011

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And to add, someone you know has to report you. Facebook doesn't check your photos when you post. Some "friend" has ratted her out.

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A bare breast even if it has a baby on it is considered nudity. It's in the rules of facebook that any nudity is to be reported. A friend of mine got a picture removed because it showed nipple (she didn't know that when she posted it).

Katherine - posted on 01/03/2011

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I'm seriously convinced that Mark Zuckerberg is terrified of breasts that aren't attached to scantily clad 16 year old girls in lingerie. They are a big and powerful bunch of small-penised dorks.



Well said.

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Yea, i don't understand why people find body parts offensive at all. The human body is the most beautiful work of art that two people could ever create. Yet we hide it in shame. Everyone should be nudists,:P with the exception of winter months...

Every dog i see on fb without pants on, I'm flagging it as nudity!!! lol

Charlie - posted on 01/03/2011

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oh people should get over their hang ups , first off when a child is feeding you cannot see the nipple and even for some reason there were a small flash of areola then it was in context for feeding although I do not find the sexual nipple offensive either .

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Breastfeeding is not nudity, the most offensive part of the breast is covered. the nipple. He basically shut it down for cleavage shots.

Katherine - posted on 01/03/2011

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Here is the article from The Stir:
Some breastfeeding groups can be hardcore, as often they're a place for moms to release stress and rant about things outside their control. Others can be debate groups, where moms debate the health of breastfeeding versus the need for formula. But there are some groups that are honestly just for support -- and don't condone arguing, trolls, fights, insults, or anything other than a comforting and helpful community feeling.

The Leaky B@@b is one of these groups, or I guess, was.

Facebook deleted it, with nothing more than a "Removed for violation of TOS."

The leader of this group, Jessica, is a super-sweet woman who I adore, and she's always prided herself on having a group that is just supportive, and really intolerant of bullying or harassment. While not an incredibly large and famous group, "TLB" is a very important safe place for many a woman, who has gone there for advice, comfort, laughs, or just companionship.

Scrolling through the archives of posts showed question after question from moms, moms-to-be, family members, or anyone who is interested in breastfeeding education, support, and success.

And yet because of some random person who hit the "report" button, it's all gone -- all the answered posts, all the pictures, all the support, all the wisdom of many women. And Facebook can't even give an answer a little more helpful than this:

"Your Page 'The Leaky B@@b' has been removed for violating our Terms of Use. A Facebook Page is a distinct presence used solely for business or promotional purposes. Among other things, Pages that are hateful, threatening, or obscene are not allowed. We also take down Pages that attack an individual or group, or that are set up by an unauthorized individual. If your Page was removed for any of the above reasons, it will not be reinstated. Continued misuse of Facebook's features could result in the permanent loss of your account."

Technically, pages like this are promotions of the blogs of the owners, so that's not an issue. CafeMom has multiple pages for different parts of The Stir, even a fanpage set up for individual authors (including me), and I've got a Facebook page for one of my personal blogs, as do many other people.

So we're still left going, "Huh?" Was it a member's picture they posted to TLB's wall? Wouldn't that be the fault of the individual who posted it, not the whole group? Was it a thread, a discussion? Again, wouldn't it make more sense to delete the individual offensive thread rather than one whole page? After all, I've seen people post some seriously vicious and nasty things on our own CafeMom Facebook page, but that's not our fault, right? You can't blame open-member pages for one random troll or angry person.

Two Facebook pages popped up almost instantly: TLB Support and Bring back The Leaky Boob. The latter is at almost 6,000 likes in a mere 24 hours, if that shows the amount of support TLB has from its fellow "Leakies," the affectionate term for the regulars of TLB Facebook page and blog.

Yes, I know that Facebook is rather well-known at this point for being ridiculously unfair to breastfeeding moms, so if you're thinking it should have been expected, maybe you're right. However, Facebook's ease-of-use, mobility (even for those without computers), and accessibility for people all over the world make it a unique and invaluable asset to any community, and well worth the risk. And of course, it's understood that it's a private company with their own rules that they can make up on the fly ... but the problem is, they don't even know their own rules, much less set out clear guidelines for anyone to follow. Time and time again, they very clearly have allowed risque and racy pictures of underage girls (showing way more breast than breastfeeding moms) remain on display, despite people hitting "report." They've let some seriously sick or twisted groups remain active, again despite complaints.

If they would make up some clear rules, people would follow them, or at least not be shocked if they didn't and the offensive item was removed. But as of right now, a large community is left scrambling to reconnect, trying to figure out what in the world they did wrong, what was so bad that an entire group with a long history of support and love had to be deleted with nothing more than an ambiguous, non-descript form message.

If you want to help support The Leaky B@@b, and thereby help support moms, and encourage Facebook to stop being hypocritical and actually make some solid rules or even just explain what was broken in the first place, there are many ways to help out. Join the two groups linked above, and check out TLB's blog for many other ways to help as well.

Do you think it's fair that Facebook removes entire accounts, groups and profiles with nothing more than a non-descript form letter?

Katherine - posted on 01/03/2011

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Pictures aside, it was a good group. They really were supportive. They had everything from A-Z on there. ANYTHING at all you needed to know about BFing.

Jenn - posted on 01/03/2011

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I agree Caitlin - I breastfed anywhere and didn't cover up - I even did it once with my son in the front carrier walking downtown. But why do I need to share this with everyone? I think a lot (not all before some of you jump my shit) of these women like to get a reaction so that they can then cry foul. JMO

Jenn - posted on 01/03/2011

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OK - even though I am very pro breastfeeding, and exclusively breastfed all 3 of my kids, I think FB has a right to do what they did. They have very clear rules that nudity is not allowed and while we all know that cleavage is not seen as nudity and is basically accepted in our society, the nipple is what is considered the taboo part of the breast and when a nipple is exposed it is considered to be a naked breast (hence why in some areas, strip clubs have to have the nipples covered on their dancers). So if there is any nipple exposed, whether the picture is meant to be sexual or not, doesn't matter - it is in direct violation of the written rules. If they make an exception, then others will try to bend the rules as well, perhaps saying that their pictures aren't sexual either as they are "art". And as for any other sexually explicit material or pictures containing nudity, they are also breaking the rules and if you ever see something like that and you find it offensive, then report it ASAP. One of my friend's saw a page that had a girl bent over and you could see her snatch, so we both reported it (as I'm sure others did) and it was removed.

Shauna - posted on 01/03/2011

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yeah they are! I was at my cousins house yesterday and i was discussing with my aunt when she started whole milk with her kids. She said well Dan was breastfed untill he was 10 mo old and then we switched to whole milk *dan is 26 yrs old* and he said "I WAS BREASTFED!!! THATS DISGUSTING!!!!" .... hahahahha

Shauna - posted on 01/03/2011

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Dana- my husband is 33 and acts like a child most the time---- his a big kid. Im 26 and his friends that were helping move were co workers of his between the ages of 20-22

Johnny - posted on 01/03/2011

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That's what you get when the world's biggest social network is run by 20-something loser geeks. Not too surprising. One day they'll get married and have kids, and their wives will grow them up.

Shauna's story reminds me of Thanksgiving dinner in 2009. I was feeding my daughter a bottle of pumped milk at the dinner table, and my uncle asks, "so do you have like a big contraption in the basement that you hook yourself up to like a cow?" My cousins all giggled (they are nurses and they think he's an idiot) and my male cousin (single stockbroker) says, "well Mike, I'm sure Carol can hook you up with an attachment to fix your shortcomings too." Then next time my uncle came over, I made sure my pump was sitting on the coffee table in the living room, with a little pumped milk in there for effect.

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There are mule accounts with naked profile pictures and Facebook shuts down a support group? Sigh.

Becky - posted on 01/03/2011

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*eye roll* Saddest thing is, it was probably other women who reported it and got it shut down.

Nikki - posted on 01/03/2011

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That's so true Loureen, what other group of people on the net are as passionate and share a common goal.
It doesn't surprise me about the facebook thing, I do think it's discrimination though.

Charlie - posted on 01/03/2011

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I was reading on another news site the most powerful group of people on the net are blogging mothers haha they said " hell hath no fury like a blogging mother scorned " and boy when they get going they bring people down !

Charlie - posted on 01/03/2011

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I loved the leaky B@@b but honestly I doubt Mark zuckerburg or anyone else even checks the reported content , isn't it just reported then automatically deleted after it reaches a certain amount of reports ?

Anyway they are planning a nurse in a facebook headquaters .

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LMAO my fil was asking me what i needed before gabby was born. He said bottles, i breastfed and told him thats what my intentions are. He said"well you still need bottles" I replied, "No I'm breastfeeding, i dont need bottles to do that." he seemed really puzzled then asked a little while later, "well if you don't use bottles, how do you feed her." HAHAAHAHAHAA he was dead serious.

Shauna - posted on 01/03/2011

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I couldnt help but laugh : last month we were moving and a couple of my husbands buddies were helping out. They were moving the chest freezer and it was to the brim with frozen BM... i overheard the convo: SICK dude what is this shit? My husband: DUDE its breastmilk! isnt that awesome.... EWWWWW no! why dont she just use formula!!!!!! my husband: NO this stuff is cronic! its free and like makes your baby smart! i was breastfed when i was a baby and im like totally a boob man now you guys must not be boob guys.... His friends: dude we love boobs but this is just wierd. *as they walk upstairs towards me* so you just squezzed all that milk out of your boobs? WHOH thats crazy. -----------------------LMAO guys are so dumb.

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thats stupid, you see girls in skimpy clothing running around half naked in some pictures, yet they delete breast feeding pictures. F him.

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