Trying to Criminalize naturopaths, homeopaths, herbalists, midwives, aromatherapists as felons

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 04/05/2011 ( 26 moms have responded )

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just for a sec, what if this was your town, city, state, providence…ect
This takes away your right to choose!!!
I think This is just ridiculous!!!


{What about you, what do you think of this?}


(NaturalNews) Alternative health practitioners in North Carolina (NC) and their patients need your help to defeat a stealth bill that flew under the radar of most everyone in the natural health community. Senate Bill 31, which clarifies the penalties for the "unauthorized practice of medicine," essentially criminalizes the practice of unlicensed forms of medicine, which includes the work of many naturopaths, homeopaths, herbalists, aromatherapists, and even some midwives in the state. The bill was adopted by a judiciary committee in early March, and it recently passed the NC Senate. Now, the NC House is set to vote on the bill tonight, and unless NC governor Bev Perdue vetoes it, the practice of natural medicine for many in NC may soon become a more severe criminal offense.

SB 31 states that anyone who practices medicine or surgery without having been first "licensed and registered to do so" will be guilty of a Class I felony. Class I felonies in NC are the least severe kinds of felonies, but they do include things like burning crosses on private or public property, and sexually exploiting children. So if passed, SB 31 will essentially make those who practice alternative medicine without an official, state-sanctioned license and permit, criminals of the likes of sexual predators and cross burners.

You can read the short bill for yourself at the following link:
http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2011/...

Proponents of the bill say it fixes a loophole in the current law that classifies out-of-state practitioners who practice without a license as Class I felons, while in-state practitioners who practice without a license are only guilty of a Class I misdemeanor. But what the bill actually appears to do is make it even harder for alternative practitioners who literally cannot be licensed in NC because their work is not "approved," to practice at all. After all, who is going to be willing to provide alternative medical services for consenting patients when doing so makes them a felon?

SB 31 is really just another way to target alternative practitioners and reign in the practice of medicine to only that which has been approved by the government overlords. And the timeline for defeating this bill is very short. Alternative practitioners in NC, and those who safely and successfully use their services, need your help now to successfully defeat this bill.

Citizens for Healthcare Freedom (CHF), a nonprofit health freedom organization in NC, says the bill is "not in the interest of the citizens of North Carolina" because it affects many alternative practitioners who will be put out of business if it passes. The vast majority of these practitioners have been practicing for years, and they have helped thousands of patients over the years using methods not officially sanctioned by state medical boards (http://www.ncchf.org/2011/03/29/opp...).

The NC House is set to debate and vote on SB 31 at 7:00 pm tonight. And whether or not you live in NC, this bill contributes to setting a precedent of intolerance for natural and alternative medicine, so it is important to oppose it regardless of whether or not you live in NC.

You can reach the NC House to oppose the bill by calling (919) 733-7928.

You can reach Governor Bev Perdue's Raleigh office by calling (919) 733-4240.

Remember, when contacting government officials to express your thoughts, always be respectful, but firm in your discourse. Clearly and succinctly express opposition to SB 31 on the grounds that it further erodes health freedom in NC by criminalizing those who practice alternative medicine. Also, urge support for the CHF Consumer Health Freedom Act, which establishes the freedom to practice alternative medicine without criminal penalty

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/031953_medica...

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Amanda - posted on 04/05/2011

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Absent I think you are misunderstanding the Bill (as many are), they arent taking away the freedom of choice. They are saying anyone without a medical licence can not preform surgery, x-rays, dignose, prescribe CONTROLED drugs (not herbs), do back alinements. As well as the person seeking this form of healthcare must sign a paper claiming they understand this person is not a medical doctor. Its really no big deal!

Amanda - posted on 04/05/2011

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Great bill, force people to get educations before they tell someone how to keep care of themselves. This bill isnt against alternative healthcare, just want the people practicing alternative healthcare to be educated, and licenced. I dont see the issue at all.

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I'm sorry, but don't you think this is trying to have it both ways? They don't want to be held to the same standards as doctors but want to treat sick people like doctors? I say go for it. If they want to treat people like they are health care professionals, then let them be held accountable as such. They could go to school and be educated in both "alternative" medicine and medicine.

Sara - posted on 04/05/2011

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Yes, but there's a body that regulates and licenses medical practitioners, and can revoke their license so they can no longer practice if they harm someone. There's nothing like that for alternative therapies. Maybe they should band together and try to start something like that to help mainstream their practices. The problem is, most of the therapies they practice have no research or double blind trials that proves their efficacy or safety.

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Most herbal treatments and other alternatives are less risky and have less side effects than prescription pills.
My SO was on a heavy anti-psychotic for mental issues. One of the side effects is sudden liver failure...liver...if that dies so do you! I convinced him to get off of it. Treated him with a b vitamin combo, some herbal tea, eating a balanced diet, some exercise and an adaptogen...royal gelly and ginseng...he feels BETTER than on the med. he is not groggy or drawn out, and he is more mentally secure than before. and no risk of his liver suddenly dying.

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Actually Amanda, it can hurt. It can hurt big time in the wallet.

You're also suggesting that it's only because it's not written in a medical journal that it's not accepted. No, it's because when they actually study it in controlled tests, it's found it does not work. Why not tell me why that is?

If we're going to go purely by anecdotes, then everyone should take morphine for pain because its' the only thing that's helped mine. That doesnt make sense does it? Of course not. That's why anecdotes are not evidence.

Jocelyn - posted on 04/06/2011

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Hmm (unless I'm misunderstanding...) this would make practicing these type of medicine illegal if you are not licensed to practice them?
I don't see where all the whohaa is. I wouldn't go to a chiropractor that wasn't licensed and properly educated, same as I wouldn't go to an acupuncturist, or a herbalist, or a midwife if they weren't licensed and properly educated.

And as a side note; when I wanted to get off of my antidepressants, my doctor fully supported my switching to St Johns Wort. Just saying. But I'm also in Canada, so it could be quite different in the states.

Amanda - posted on 04/06/2011

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Yes our government has a hand in keeping the drug prices down (as yours should also but don’t because they all have their hands in the drug companies pockets). As for Manufacturers, our drugs are made in the same factories as yours, made the same way as yours, as we buy from the same drug companies.

Your doctors don’t prescribe "alternative" medication because there is no money in it. There is no kick back when a doctor says you just need more vitamin B16 in your diet. There’s no money made when your doctor teaches you that you can up your iron intake with a balanced diet instead of pills that make you constipated, which in turn forces you to get yet another medication to help you poop.

You keep saying there’s no proof that these things work, but in countries that regularly use alternative medical, the average person lives longer and healthier lives then we do. The human race would of died out 1000s of years ago if it wasn’t for "new age medicine" (which is a stupid name as its older then traditional medicine).

Now of course you are going to come back to me with that the average human died at an extremely young age 1000s of years ago, by silly things like a tooth infections, and you will be absolutely right! I don’t think any woman here is saying to completely replace traditional medicine with “new age”, but when there is no answers in the medical world, it wont hurt someone to try to find an alternative to their problems.

Ie my mother uses diet, meditation, saunas, herbs, and vitamins to help control her Fibromyalgia. No medication has ever helped her as much as her alternative choices have. Of course this isn’t proof, because it isn’t written down in a medical journal, its just one human being saying that her life has improved so much since she stopped her Big Pharm medications, and turned to an alternative form of health care.

But this topic is on this Bill, that isnt taking away anyones rights to Alternative Healthcare, or Normal Healthcare.

Sara - posted on 04/06/2011

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You know, maybe if we had socialized medicine in the USA (which I am not opposed to) drugs would be cheaper here, but comparing our current system (in which large corporations usually come out on top) and the Canadian system where, to my understanding, the price differences are largely attributable to actions taken by Canada's federal and provincial governments to restrain drug prices, not to any differences in manufacturers' costs, is not a fair comparison. Our systems are just so different, you can't expect the same results. I wish we had a system more like Canada, but we don't. Until then, I'm not going to say that Big Pharm aren't trying to make a profit, but I'm not going to begrudge them in recouping the cost of R&D and stay in business.



I still think that making a sweeping statement saying that doctors don't want to prescribe natural remedies is because they want to make money from prescribing expensive medications is wrong. They don't prescirbe natural remedies because there's no proof that they work, or that they're even safe.

Amanda - posted on 04/06/2011

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Yes absent the altrenative healthcare is STILL responsible for their actions, it clearly says that at the end of the bill.

17 Ҥ 90E-7. Remedies.

18 Nothing in this Chapter shall limit the right of any person to seek relief for negligence or

19 any other civil remedy against a person providing services under the provisions of this

As for the cost of drugs in USA, it has nothing to do with the development and testing of the drug Sara, it has to do with the fact that Big Pharm is a major money maker in USA because the general public allows it to be. In Canada our drugs are tested much longer then USA drugs, it can take up to 10 years after the FDA approves a drug before Canada ever allows that same drug into our market. We only just got aleve a few years ago. Our drugs cost way less then USA drugs (and not because we have 3rd world drugs like Ex President Bush once said LOL). Don't believe in these "excuses" your companies and government have maded up to excuse their greed.

Sara - posted on 04/06/2011

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"MOST doctors won't do alternative medicine - no money in it. Can make much more with scripts than telling someone to get a ten dollar bottle of an herb instead of a 78 dollar bottle of a med with tons of side effects that...hey, you need another script to stop side effect."



I take issue with this statement. Most doctors don't do alternative therapies because there's no proof that they actually work. There have been no double-blind trials of those therapies, there is no peer reviewed longitudinal study. Most herbs aren't tested by the FDA for safety. A doctor has a license to operate under. I wouldn't prescribe any of that crap either and put my professional reputation on the line. Part of the reason medicines produced by Big Pharm are so expensive is because they take DECADES to develop and test for efficacy and safety. I'll pay for that.



And Jen, you're right about the water.

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You say 'criminalized', I say "protecting the consumer' like food labels.

And I believe it was Amy who mentioned the $78 bottle of medicine. Do you feel the same level of outrage over the bottle of homeopathic 'treatment' which contains only water? Before anyone jumps on me, I do know exactly how they are prepared. The substance is diluted to the point where your chances of getting any active properties in the bottle are pretty much nil. (This is apparently how it works according to them.) So you are now paying $14.00 for a 1oz bottle of WATER. But it's the pharmaceutical companies that are the bad guys.

(And yes, I know they do bad stuff too. I know that the drug corporations charge a lot and we often wonder why we pay so much, etc., etc., but I am pretty much guaranteed to get X mg of lipitor per pill and if I don't, the company can be sued.)

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 04/05/2011

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Can these unlicensed people can still be actable? Or can they only be accountable if they have a licenses?

If that is they case then, I would think it better to have one, but if they can still be fully accountable if they mess up on someone, then I see no reason why they have to be “Criminalized”

Rosie - posted on 04/05/2011

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i think people should be made aware of what COULD happen to them by going to these doctors. my chiropractor has never told me that there is a risk of stroke by having my neck adjusted. never even thought anything bad could happen at all. now i'm finding out all sorts of things, and it frightens me a bit.
if it is what amanda says than i don't think it's a bad thing.

Amanda - posted on 04/05/2011

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lol Juli :0) Correct me if I am wrong but dont we basicly have these regulations already in place?

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 04/05/2011

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BUT, it is their life, if they so choose to go to them, then they have to deal with the consequence of whatever happens.. So if anything these people who don’t have a license need it to be stated, and leave it to the person(s) who go to them.



For me this is about freedom of choice.



Kinda like circumcision, I don’t agree with it AT ALL, and doc’s mess up on that ish all the darn time, but people have the freedom to choose to have it done….right?…..right!

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I have no idea where you got your information sara.....but alternative therapies DO need education...in fact, Courses I need to take are going to take me 7 years all together....
If they are claiming to be a naturpathic doctor or specialist they NEED to go to school for it, it is regulated...Going to someone who is not licensed is the problem...and any doctor can be unlicensed.

Amy - posted on 04/05/2011

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They have tried to pass bills where you couldn't farm anything at all without special licensing - even a small veggie garden. Just saying. Can lead to other things. Like I said - couldn't get link to work. This isn't for my state, but again....everyone I know who is a naturopath or homeopath.... they have licenses. That's why I was asking about if it was just for those who had been practising before you were to be licensed.

Amanda - posted on 04/05/2011

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Amy that is ridiculous and extreme thinking. Dandelions and tea please. By your theory they will outlaw all natural food, because they ALL have medical benefits to the body.

A person who provides complementary and alternative health care services in accordance
23 with this Chapter, but does not hold a license, permit, certification, or registration under Article
24 1 of Chapter 90 of the General Statutes, shall not be in violation of G.S. 90-18(c) for unlicensed
25 practice or any other allied health occupation law for unlicensed practice unless the person
26 engages in any of the following:
27 (1) Performs surgery or any other procedure that harmfully punctures the skin of
28 a person except finger pricking for screening purposes.
29 (2) Prescribes or administers X-ray radiation to any person.
30 (3) Prescribes or administers a legend drug, a legend device, or controlled
31 substance to any person.
32 (4) Performs a chiropractic adjustment of an articulation of the spine.
33 (5) Performs massage therapy, except for a practice already exempt from
34 massage therapy violations.
35 (6) Provides to a person a diagnosis or treatment of a health condition and as a
36 result of these services willfully causes that person recognizable and
37 imminent risk of significant physical or mental harm.
38 (7) Holds himself or herself out, states, indicates, advertises, or implies to any
39 person that the person is a physician, surgeon, or medical doctor or that he or
40 she is licensed, certified, or registered by this State to practice a health care
41 profession.

42 Ҥ 90E-5. Disclosure.
43 (a) Any person providing health care services under the provisions of this Chapter who
44 is advertising or charging a fee for those services shall, before providing the services, disclose
45 to the client in a plainly worded written statement all of the following information:
46 (1) The practitioner’s name, business address, and telephone number.
47 (2) That he or she is not a physician, surgeon, medical doctor, or other licensed
48 health care professional and that he or she is not licensed, certified, or
49 registered by the State of North Carolina.
50 (3) The nature of the health care services to be provided

1 (4) The degrees, training, experience, credentials, or other qualifications of the
2 practitioner regarding the health care services being provided.
3 (b) Before a practitioner provides health care services to a client for the first time, the
4 practitioner shall obtain a written acknowledgment from the client stating that the client has
5 been provided with the information described in subsection (a) of this section. The practitioner
6 shall provide the client with a copy of this written acknowledgment, and the person providing
7 the services shall maintain a copy of the acknowledgment for a period of two years.

So in truth the bill is saying a person can not claim to be Doctor, or do surgery x-rays or back adjustments, write prescriptions for controlled drugs (NOT HERBS), or diagnosis a person. As well the person seeing an alternative “doctor” must sign a paper acknowledging they know this person is not a medically licensed doctor.

Again I say no big deal.

Amy - posted on 04/05/2011

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Did I understand that the ones who've been practicing for YEARS - grandfathered in so to speak - are those the only poeple they are worried about?

I can't get the one link to work.

Amy - posted on 04/05/2011

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MOST doctors won't do alternative medicine - no money in it. Can make much more with scripts than telling someone to get a ten dollar bottle of an herb instead of a 78 dollar bottle of a med with tons of side effects that...hey, you need another script to stop side effect.

Most practitioners in the US must be licensed. I don't know why people think it's just someone spouting hearsay information.

From what I understand they are trying to eliminate health food stores slowly with this. To first say herbs only available through a DOCTOR - docs won't prescribe and we're dependent on pharmaceuticals. Pretty soon you won't be able to pick dandelions out of your yard because they have medicinal purposes. No teas - green tea even - because it has health benefits and people take it 'medicinally'. That seems to me to be the reason many people are worried about this. Because it's taking away our choices and our rights. Some things that are considered food or tea could be used as medicine and then if only the doctors can allow you to have those certain things and choose not to........

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Doctors who do harm can (and often are) sued and can have their license revoked. It's not a perfect system by far but there is nothing out there to stop these other people when their treatments (or lack thereof) cause harm is there?

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 04/05/2011

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I to can understand where they are coming from, But is it not the person’s life? They should be able to choose what and who helps them, not to mention doctors can do harm as well.

Sara - posted on 04/05/2011

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Honestly, I do think that people should be able to chose alternative therapies, but it's a problem for me that the people who practice these therapies don't have to have any education or licensing, and that the therapies/herb/treatments they use can harm someone. I'm not sure that it's about criminalizing alternative medicine as it is about ensuring that people are safe. Any quack on the street can claim to be an expert in XYZ, and in the case of alternative therapies, they don't have to prove that they are. I can see where the legislation is coming from on this.

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