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Katherine - posted on 03/25/2012 ( 50 moms have responded )

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/23...



Pretty simple: Obama states that if he had a son he would look just like Trayvon.



I find this disturbing on so many levels. First off it's kind of a ridiculous thing to say, am I wrong? It's a sad, sad story, but that comment was weird.

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Krista - posted on 03/25/2012

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I think he simply said that to point out that he empathizes with those parents. If the Obamas had had a son, and were they not in the position that they are in, it COULD have just as easily been their kid -- a young black male who is automatically suspected of being a criminal, solely due to his attire and the colour of his skin.



If I had to guess, I'd say that this case has shaken the hell out of EVERY parent of a black child -- to know that not only are there those who would hunt down your child due to perceiving them as a "threat", but that there are legions of people who would defend that action, claiming that the kid MUST have brought it upon himself somehow.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 03/30/2012

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Jackie, you do realize how much opposition ANY president faces in office? It's not as simple as "we have a new boss, and here's the changes". It takes YEARS to effect change in DC. YEARS!!! You see, the president does not make the actual decisions in the US. Its Capitol Hill as a whole. Your senators, legislators...those are the people behind the real decisions. The president cannot just change things. It has to go for a vote. That's why things move at a snails pace, or not at all. You want to see things change? Get your ancient representatives out of the house and senate. Get some young blood in there that is really in touch with the world today.



And, how can you say he isn't doing what he promised? He's doing his best. He is getting the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, he's working on health care, as he promised...those are just off the top of my head, but seriously?



You need to consider the entire picture before you think you could do better. I know I couldn't.

Krista - posted on 03/29/2012

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It is not about racism at all, the guy he killed the teenager, not a boy....was Hispanic..



ROFL.



Oh, THAT is funny. So you think that it's impossible for minorities to be racist against each other?



Seriously?

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 03/29/2012

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and, Ania, they have the shooter, on tape with the 911 dispatcher muttering "F***** coon" which IS a racist term. Mr. Obama most definitely did NOT turn this into a fight about racism. The shooter did, by uttering that phrase. It also most definitely indicated his state of mind, and intention to disregard protocol.

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America3437 - posted on 03/30/2012

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We better back Iseral. Who cares what country is pissed off at us now...take a number.

**Jackie** - posted on 03/30/2012

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Oh I could not run the country better at all, Emma. Multiple bombs would be dropped and the whole white house would be filled with loads and loads of healthy foods and any child who is hungry could come and feast until they passed out! There would be cots every where with the nicest sheets you could think of for the homeless and I would hire PETA to come and play with all of the abused animals that are in shelters....for starters

Stifler's - posted on 03/29/2012

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I think that everyone hates the president no matter who it is or prime minister etc. and thinks they could run the country better. You can't please everyone at the same time.

Katherine - posted on 03/29/2012

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@ Karla, the only reason I found it odd was because of the way it was worded. I see now what he meant, but at first glance it sounded like he WANTED Trayvon to look like his son. My bad.

**Jackie** - posted on 03/29/2012

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PERHAPS Obama should be doing SOMETHING that he promised us. Bring our troops home! Stop backing Israel up and pissing everyone off!



I really think he is...less than smart. Sh*t...his wife should run for president. I'd vote for her. Do you see everything she does for children? Just sayin'

**Jackie** - posted on 03/29/2012

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Karla, of course I find it scary. No one wants their child killed. I never said that because he was suspended for drugs, or suspended for assaulting a bus driver Zimmerman was justified in killing him.



Racism is very much alive in every town. It can be found everywhere. My only problem with this case is not the police or the attorneys, it is the media frenzy! Reporters are having a field day and you got the black panther party involved? Do you know how nuts they are?



..... I'm not sure what you are insinuating. If you could clarify that would be fantastic.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 03/29/2012

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And, the suspension was for SUSPICION of drugs. He had not tested positive, nor had the substance that was claimed to be found on him. Wish I could find that link again...but it disappeared...feature that.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 03/29/2012

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As for the OP, I took it just like I compared kids with similar looks to mine...To this day when I see a girl that looks like my boys, I think "My daughter would have looked like that"...so, no, not weird.



As to the rest: According to what I've seen, Mr. Zimmerman needs to be in custody. Period. Once he violated the directives of the police dispatcher, he was NOT "standing his ground", he was stalking.



I'm with Krista and Karla on this one

Ania - posted on 03/29/2012

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I'm getting super angry with this story. It is not about racism at all, the guy he killed the teenager, not a boy....was Hispanic...Obama people (even though I think he is a good president and I would vote for him again) needs some voters so when we make this about racism he will definately get the black vote, especially from people who usually don't vote....

Karla - posted on 03/29/2012

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As to the OP, I didn't really find it odd that Obama said that, as a matter of fact I thought it had a lot of impact in pointing out that Trayvon was suspect based on his looks, and his looks could have been those of our president's son... therefore don't shoot and kill someone based on their looks. (and it should be illegal to shoot and kill someone based on their looks.)

Karla - posted on 03/29/2012

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**Jackie** "This kid was suspended from school for drugs, he was in a close community where everyone knows each other and he was probably mouthy like most 17 year old trouble makers."



Obviously all great reasons to kill the kid... NOT.



If it weren't for the far reaching affects of the "Stand your Ground" law in Florida, Zimmerman would have been taken in, and gotten a mug shot, and would now have real proof that he had been beaten. The way it stands it is his word against some pretty damning 911 calls and witnesses.



Jackie, do you not find this incident the least bit scary? I find it appalling that the kid was killed by a self-appointed neighborhood watch citizen.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 03/29/2012

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Ahh, well that is very good news... Since I honestly think zimmerman needs to go down, hard. What he did was inexcuseable even if there had been an altercation. He would have started it. He was the one that followed the poor kid.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 03/28/2012

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Don't know what to tell you Katherine. I watched Dateline on Sunday. It was right there, during an interview.



The link I just gave is from 30 mins ago. Just released. I guess, there has been new information, which happens during an investigation.



ETA:

That link you gave is from the 21st. That is almost 8 days ago... ;)

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 03/28/2012

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Krista, I have been reading on this law and apparently it is not only Florida...



Here is the quickest link I could find for now, yes it is Wikipedia. However, I have read other documents too. What is in this link is exactly what I have read in actual State statutes.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-...



Ah, I just realized this is where you got your info from. So, you must have already seen it is not only Florida... ;)

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 03/28/2012

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I watched Dateline. The police said he did and so did his lawyer...



Trayvon's parents and civil rights leaders spoke after a dramatic police account of the fatal shooting claimed the black teen launched an unprovoked attack on the neighborhood watch volunteer in which he punched him in the face, knocked him to the ground and then bashed his head into the sidewalk several times before trying to grab his gun.

The report, leaked to the Orlando Sentinel and ABC News and based on anonymous sources, supports accounts from George Zimmerman's allies that he acted in self-defense when he shot dead the 17-year-old one month ago in Sanford Florida.

The embattled Sanford Police Department, while condemning the leak, confirmed that the story was consistent with information private to the State Attorney's office, which is currently considering whether to file charges against Zimmerman.

The police account is also based mostly on Zimmerman's own words to officers after they arrived at the gated community February 26, but it is the most complete picture of his side of the shooting that has been released publicly.

As the Orland Sentinel reports, Zimmerman got out of his car and followed Trayvon as he walked back to the home of his father's girlfriend after picking up snacks at a local convenience store.

Zimmerman called 911 to report a suspicious black teenager who looked like he might be on drugs.

As he walked after the teen, the police dispatcher told Zimmerman he didn't need to keep following.

A minute passes and police don't know what happens.

Then, according to Zimmerman, Trayvon approached him from behind and they 'exchanged words.'

Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said, 'no.'

Then, according to Zimmerman, Trayvon said, 'Well now you do,' and unexpectedly punched Zimmerman in the face, knocking him to the ground.

Trayvon, 6-foot-3 and 140 pounds, then reportedly climbed on top of the 250-pound Zimmerman and bashed his head into the sidewalk several times.



One unidentified witness, who did not see the shooting, said he saw a younger man on top of an older man and the older man was screaming for help.

Police say the cries that witnesses reported, which Trayvon's family say were coming from the teen, are actually likely from Zimmerman.

Zimmerman, who had a permit to carry a handgun, shot Trayvon once in the chest at very close range, killing him.



According to police reports and accounts given by Zimmerman's lawyer, Craig Sooner, the 28-year-old's nose was bloody or broken, his lip was bleeding and he had a bloody gash on the back of his head.




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...

Krista - posted on 03/28/2012

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Some friends and I had a discussion about this, and the real ball-kicker in this is that the law basically forbade the cops from arresting Zimmerman, unless they had some really solid proof that he was not simply "standing his ground".



2011 Florida Statutes CHAPTER 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE[17]



776.012Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:



(1)He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

(2)Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.




That's right. The law is so fucked up that it gave Zimmerman IMMUNITY:



A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and IS IMMUNE FROM CRIMINAL PROSECUTION and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.



(2)A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.




Holy fuck.



In my opinion, the cops still didn't do their job, though. The 911 call, and the fact that Zimmerman PURSUED Martin, should have constituted probable cause to believe that the force that Zimmerman used was unlawful. Zimmerman was in no imminent danger from Martin at that time.



What a horrific law, though!!! So if you're in Florida, if you want to off someone, all you need is to claim that you felt threatened by them, and you could shoot them in broad daylight and the cops can't even ARREST you!



What idiotic ass-clowns thought that a law like that would be a good idea???

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 03/28/2012

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According to the whole "it was self defense" of zimmerman. The cops let him go because he had a broken nose, cuts to the back of his head and to his face. There ya go. He is claiming self defense. Yes, he followed the kid, he probably even instigated the altercation BUT he will more than likely NOT be charged or arrested at anytime. The laws in Florida are saving his ass.



Now if it had been Canada, even IF the kid was the issue, Zimmerman would have been arrested. Interagated. Then a decision would have been made, after a detailed investigation.



Florida? Sorry, their laws suck ass.... ;)

Krista - posted on 03/28/2012

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It wouldn't have become a media frenzy, however, if the police had done their job. Yes, the case has yet to be thoroughly investigated and tried. However, the police chief arrived, found a live guy with a gun, and a dead kid, and based on Zimmerman's claim of self-defense, decided to not even arrest the guy.



THAT is why there was a media frenzy -- because people could not believe that this guy was just walking around free as a bird after pursuing and then shooting an unarmed teenager.



If the police had done their due diligence and arrested him and held him during an investigation (or even released him on bail), we would have probably still seen some media upset about how ridiculous the law is -- but it wouldn't have been the insane frenzy that you see right now.



And he was suspended from school once for spraying graffiti, and once for having an empty baggie with marijuana residue. So no, he was no angel. But he had no history of violence, and was far from being the "thug" that so many right-wing media outlets portray him to be.



Yes, your cousin was treated unfairly. Absolutely. I 100% am with you on that one. But that doesn't negate the fact that there IS still a lot of racism against black people out there. It's like saying that there's absolutely no prejudice against homosexuals out there, simply because some gay people speak disparagingly of "breeders".



At any rate, I think that Obama said what he did, instead of some generic "this could be anybody's kid", because personally, I believe that this shook the hell out of him.

**Jackie** - posted on 03/28/2012

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We could bicker about this all day, I'm not in the mood. Do you have a point? Like always, yes. You have changed my opinion in the past Krista. I just have my beliefs and this man will not be arrested. This was a bad kid who was suspended from school.



It's not that I have a problem with the case as much as I do with it becoming a media frenzy. There are articles and police reports all over facebook right now about black on white crimes that go unnoticed. People just don't care.



My cousin and I were in the same grade and she got picked on almost every day. She was called ugly, and "olive oil" and "casper". A black girl hit her while we were in gym class once and she went home crying that day. A few weeks later, in gym again, they got into a verbal argument and I don't remember what it was about. Next thing I know, my cousin hit the girl and the girl hit back and somehow my cousin ended on top of the black girl by the time the teachers got there. She was suspended because "racism is not tolerated". Really? You got this B average student who's never had a detention before and this black girl who caused trouble with almost everyone, including me, and when my cousin grows some balls she gets called a racist? I feel bad for the trick who picks on my child, I'll roll into that school like a friggen tornado. :)

Krista - posted on 03/28/2012

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And George Zimmerman has been accused of domestic violence, and in 2005, was arrested and charged with “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,” both which are third-degree felonies.



So we've got someone with a hot temper, who in recent years has called 911 over 46 times to report "suspicious activity", mostly involving black men (although in one memorable case, he called 911 to report a "suspicious" 9-year-old black boy), and who patrols the neighbourhood, watching for activity. He sees a kid who he thinks looks suspicious, calls 911, and against the advice of the dispatcher, FOLLOWS the kid.



And you've got a law that allows him to shoot anybody who he says makes him feel threatened, whether that feeling is justified or not.



It's a perfect storm.



And Jackie, I know you know better than to think this wouldn't have been on the news, especially if your aforementioned black shooter had not been arrested. Seriously, now. That was a silly response.

**Jackie** - posted on 03/28/2012

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You're right...if I was trigger happy and wanted to kill a teenager because they were black I would CALL 9-1-1 MYSELF and report him and be straight with the operator by telling him that I am following him. This kid was suspended from school for drugs, he was in a close community where everyone knows each other and he was probably mouthy like most 17 year old trouble makers. We DON'T know what happened which is why Zimmerman hasn't been arrested.



If the shooter was black and the kid was white this wouldn't have been on the news because that wouldn't have been politically correct.

Krista - posted on 03/28/2012

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You don't think that Trayvon was judged on the colour of his skin?



I disagree.



Do you really think that if the shooter had been black, and the kid half-white half-Hispanic, that he wouldn't have been arrested right away? I certainly do.



At any rate, I don't think Obama's statement was weird at all. I think he WAS basically saying, "This could have been my son or your son", but he just said it in a different way.



At any rate, the whole damn thing is awful. Zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin with a gun. Even if Martin DID then turn around and attack him, isn't he ALSO covered under the "Stand Your Ground" law? How was he to know that Zimmerman wasn't some crazed murderer? I know I'd sure as hell feel threatened if someone was coming after me with a gun in the dark. If Zimmerman had listened to the 911 operator instead of chasing after Martin like some vigilante, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.



Christ, I just think back to when I was a teenager, and some of the silly shenanigans we got up to. One of the neighbourhood boys used to stand below my window and throw pebbles at it so that I'd come down and talk to him. In George Zimmerman's world, this would have been suspicious behaviour and he would have felt justified in opening fire.

**Jackie** - posted on 03/28/2012

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OH and I'm following this case very closely.....a few of you had said that he was judged on the color of his skin...not true. Check the case out.

**Jackie** - posted on 03/28/2012

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Yes Krista I am well aware HOWEVER he is the president right now so I used his name. Also, perhaps if he elaborated a bit it wouldn't have been so weird...but he didn't.





Also, I'm not so sure I would declare my preferred "side" to this case while the new black panther party is asking for his head. Also, give me a break...he's going all out on this case because it is re-election time and he's losing a lot of black voters because he didn't do half the stuff he said he would. BLAH



If he said something like Trayvon could have been my son or your son it would have been different. BUT he didn't because it wasn't written for him

Krista - posted on 03/28/2012

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Jackie, you DO realize that virtually all politicians have speechwriters, right? It's not a unique practice to Obama.

Sal - posted on 03/28/2012

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i guess i didn't find anything weird about it except that he actually seemed to be more a parent and less the president, before i had daughters i'd see little girls and wonder if my girls would look like them,

Stifler's - posted on 03/28/2012

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I think good on him and it's so true, Trayvon could have been anyones kid. If he was Obamas kid..... old mate who shot him would be getting the electric chair.

Isobel - posted on 03/27/2012

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and **Jackie** if you don't understand why that statement is profound...I'm sorry.

Isobel - posted on 03/27/2012

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Yeah, Sal, that was the point I think...the question is what is weird about the statement...cause for the life of me I can't figure it out

**Jackie** - posted on 03/27/2012

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He said it and it's ridiculous because it was one of only a handful of comments he actually came up with by himself. He would have said something profound if it were written for him.

Sal - posted on 03/27/2012

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I think (and this is an aussie perception) that the person who chased him didn't see the individual just a black kid, it could of been the presidents son and the same racists attitude applied, didn't look past his skin colour to see the person...

Isobel - posted on 03/26/2012

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So he's not allowed to say it but the rest of us are??? I don't get why it's weird that he said something so many people have said.

Vegemite - posted on 03/26/2012

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It seems like he was just trying to make people imagine it being his son. It's sad but some people are more stirred by something like this if it happened to someone of note and not just Jo Blogs a few suburbs away.

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i don't think he meant it to be literal. i agree with the others, that he was metaphorically speaking.

Katherine - posted on 03/25/2012

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Ahh, didn't even think of it that way. It just sounded so odd to me! He didn't clarify his statement at all.



The way *I* interpreted it was that his son would actually LOOK like Trayvon lol.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 03/25/2012

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Yep, I agree with Sapphire.



I really think this is all he meant when he said it. I seen him state this on Dateline. It was innocent in my opinion. He just meant, Trayvon looked like any other teen walking dow the street with his Skittles, Iced Tea and Hoodie. ;)



Honestly, it could have been my teen as well. In the dark, they all look the same. We are caucasion and my teen is a girl. Although, she is 5'7" and 120lbs. If she had had a hoodie on and her head down, in the dark, she could be anyones child, just as Trayvon.

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Yeah- kind of weird. Here's how I interpret it though:



I'm thinking that Trayvon could look like "anyone's" kid wearing their hoodie. Hoodie on, this is the typical generic teen look. Nothing special. Just an average kid. My kid could be wearing his hoodie. It could be any kid wearing a hoodie.



It's just that the statement was made in a bizarre context and of course the media is ripping it apart. It does sound strange.

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