Sally - posted on 03/13/2012 ( 15 moms have responded )




Im asking this because there seems to be a lot of daft and stupid ideas floating about . Most seem to be aimed at women. Bc, abortion etc. Im not treating this lightly. I do want all views, its mainly because i can't get my head around the fact that some women support it. So id like to hear from both sides and what they have to say and their reasoning. Please try and play nice


Mary - posted on 03/14/2012




I honestly believe that what we are witnesing in the US right now is a reactionary response to the realization by (a very vocal) some that Christianity is no longer the dominant force it once was.

Although the US was founded upon the ideals of "religious freedom" by people seeking freedom from the religious persecution they were subjected to, the truth is, almost all of these people practiced some form of Christianity. It's also true that "back in the day", religion played a much larger role in the lives of most people, no matter which branch of Christianity they subscribed to. Gradually, a strict adherence to the guidelines and rules of whichever religion has significantly decreased. Added to that is the fact that there are many different citizens that either practice an entirely different religion (non-christian) or none at all.

Christianity is no longer the prevailing force it once was among the masses, and what we are now seeing is a rather desperate attempt by those who still embrace it as the be all and end all to return to time when it was. They mistakenly believe that Christianity, and not religious freedom, is what this country was founded on. They are mistaken in that assumption; Christianity was never intended to be the dominant force they think it should be. There just wasn't the same amount of diversity in religious beliefs back then that there currently is today.

I don't think that a lot of this lunacy that gets splashed among the headlines is truly representative of how the majority of Americans feel. I just think that most of us normal, reasonable folk aren't as vocal, and are not putting up a big fuss, because we aren't feeling threatened by the diversity around us. For example, people like myself aren't out protesting Obama's inclusion of contraceptive coverage because we support it. But my personal approval of it isn't going to make the news the same way that the protests of the religious zealots are.

Johnny - posted on 03/13/2012




Simply because it appears that many people believe that their religion/beliefs should dictate how all people (regardless of faith or beliefs) live. It is not enough for them to live by their own rules, they must force all other people to follow their rules too. Why? I don't really know. All I can surmise is that they are self-absorbed assholes.

I keep seeing these allusions to religious freedom. I suppose that means the freedom to force your religion on others. Because I don't seem much REAL evidence that anyone is trying to stop anyone else from practicing their own faith.

Oh, and they are bad at sex so they don't want the rest of us enjoying what they fail to succeed at without being shamed and abused.

Krista - posted on 03/15/2012




Unfortunately, America3437, nowadays it seems as though candidates have no choice BUT to insert their religious beliefs into their campaign. I'm sure Obama would have been perfectly happy to not do much mentioning of his religion, but constant accusations about him being Muslim basically forced him to "prove" his Christian bona fides.

And we've all seen the survey showing that atheists are the least trusted minority group in the US.

So unfortunately, there is a rather large and loud segment of the population that DEMANDS that candidates' religious beliefs be front and centre -- and the more overtly hard-core Christian, the better. And because these people tend to be pro-life, and because a lot of people are single-issue voters when it comes to abortion...well...that's when you wind up with your Bible-thumping legislators.

Tracey - posted on 03/14/2012




People can come up with ridiculous laws without religon being involved. Having said that no-one should use the rules of their holy books & beliefs to influence another person's health & choices, laws should be passed purely to improve the life and conditons of the people they represent.

If we are going to have religious laws can we take inspiration from Pastafarians : Ending poverty Curing diseases Living in peace, loving with passion, and lowering the cost of cable.

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*shakes fist at government* separation of church and state, people. stick with it, it's a helluva lot better an idea that this other shit you're spouting...


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Politics, in fact, has a lot to do with religion, but not really in the way you mean. Basically, they are both belief systems, and they overlap because they often have to deal with similar issues, at least from some people's point of view. George Lakoff (Moral Politics) can explain it much better, but I will try to do it here without going into too much detail. If you believe that your deity is a strict father figure who expects obedience of certain rules but also self-discipline, and that people are responsible for themselves and have to suffer the consequences of all their actions and mistakes, then you also believe in laissez-faire government/economics, the death penalty, and lowering taxes on the wealthy (just a few examples). If your deity is a nurturing parent who offers guidance and forgives mistakes, then you believe in more market control, in helping criminals rather than punishing them, and in asking citizens who earn more money to contribute more to running the country. So you see, this is a value system which involves all aspects of life, and therefore determines how people see the world and interact with one another. I really recommend Lakoff's book if you have time to read a bit more about it.

Unfortunately, government is all about imposing belief systems on others. And it will never be independent of religious faith because that often makes us what we are. You can look at the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and you will find these values in there. And I believe you will find religious values in all nations of the world. They may be more explicit in some places, but perhaps that is more desirable than pretending that decisions and beliefs are based on purely secular, objective considerations.

Besides, as several have already mentioned, it's what the voters want. And we know that that will always determine what candidates say during election campaigns.

Firebird - posted on 03/15/2012




Religion had it's chance to run the world..... it's called The Dark Ages.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 03/15/2012




Krista, your post just made me glad to live in Canada and extremely concerned for the future of the separation of Church and State back in my home country.

America3437 - posted on 03/15/2012




American's have the option of what religon they chose to follow. There are muslim americans just as there are christian americans. We have the right to choose just like we have the right to vote! If you don't want religion in poltics then don't vote for the canident that uses his/her relgious beliefs as a tool to campaign with.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 03/15/2012




Religion and Politics should NOT mix with each other. EVER.

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One of my pet peeves is all this focus in America on issues like gay marriage and abortion, when the really important role of government (to collect taxes and spend it improving the lives of the population and running the economy) get ignored. Fortunately with this current economic crisis there's more attention on the economy than during some previous election campaigns.

Stifler's - posted on 03/14/2012




I agree with Mary. They want their country to be a "christian" country.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 03/14/2012




I've had people ask me why I wouldn't want someone who goes by their morals in government. I've told that person because their job isn't about being the country's moral compass, it's about doing the job they were voted for.

Your morals, your religious beliefs they have jack shit to do with government. I don't come into your house and tell you not to believe in something made up over 2000 years ago, don't come into my house and tell me to stop using birth control. Simple as that.

Krista - posted on 03/14/2012




I agree with Mary. These zealots are realizing that America isn't 100% a "Christian nation" (as far as demographics go) and are panicking, because they want it to be a Christian nation, as far as society goes. They feel it slipping away, and they are freaking the hell out.

What you're seeing is panic. Stupid panic.

Sally - posted on 03/14/2012




The main reason i asked this question is because it appears to me as an out-sider that a lot of the USA political partys are dominant by religion and thats the reason this daft laws etc raise their heads. Please correct me if im wrong.

Religion plays no part of the UK's politic. We try to pick our partys on what they can bring to the country as a whole, god or what ever plays no part in it.

I also think if they did try to introduce some of the silly stuff iv'e been seeing over the last few weeks. The women of my country would be up in arms. While we respect(of most of us do) peoples religion. We don't feel any religion should dictate non believers.

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