What's wrong with politics (in the US) today

Esther - posted on 04/20/2010 ( 14 moms have responded )

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From the (satirical) The Onion (as always, the best humor has a basis in truth):

http://www.theonion.com/articles/passage...,17281/

Passage Of Health Care Reform Brings Democrat-Republican Score To 317,622-318,047

With their legislative victory on health care last month, Democrats narrowed by one point the gap in their 150-year-long competition with Republicans, bringing the current score between the rival political parties to 317,622-318,047. "The Republicans had a really strong first half, racking up points with their opposition to slavery and extension of citizenship to Native Americans," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said at a press conference Monday. "We caught up in the '30s and '60s with the New Deal and civil rights, then they blew it wide open from 1980 on. But now we're back in striking distance. Just 400 more political points to go." Anonymous Republican sources told reporters they were planning to bounce back next week by naming another building after Ronald Reagan.

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ME - posted on 04/20/2010

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There are plenty of things wrong with politicians, they are, afterall, human beings. What is really wrong with politics is that the news media makes every small incident into some huge deal...They are like the crowd of kids on the playground yelling "fight, fight" at two little boys who've had a disagreement...If you only watch MSNBC or Fox then you would think that politicians can't stop screaming at one another...but that isn't true...and in some cases, I think the media even succeeds in picking fights where none existed to begin with (for example, when Hillary and BO didn't shake hands at some Congressional event during the presidential primary, all of the news agencies analyzed this tiny event to death, pointing out how much they must dislike one another...it's depressing really...

Are there ideological differences of opinion between dems and reps, of course; but, at the end of the day, these men don't hate one another. The news media wants you to believe that they do, AND they want you to hate eachother, because controversy breeds ratings...If people paid as much attention to independent news media as they do to the media giants, the disagreements would go back to being just that, and then maybe we could have a civil conversation about some solutions.

Esther - posted on 04/20/2010

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Well, this is not what I started this thread for, but I have to address 2 of your points: 1) why is it the governments business whether you CHOOSE not to have healthcare? Because when something catastrophic happens and you show up at the ER without any healthcare, every one of us ends up footing the bill. 2) People did get a chance to vote on it. It was called the presidential election. It was very clear that one party wanted universal healthcare and the other party did not. The majority voted for the guy who wanted universal healthcare. It couldn't have come as a shock.



I don't really want to debate healthcare on this thread though. The point of this post was more that politics has become more about the game than the policies. It's about scoring points. About pulling one over on the other side. When you listen to reporting on TV it's about what cards people are playing, about how their stances will affect their reelection prospects, about polls, about threatening legislative tricks etc. It's hardly ever about the content of any particular policy. It's never an honest evaluation of it's impact. Politicians seem so consumed with getting reelected and raking in as much money from donors and lobbyists, that doing what's right has become almost irrelevant to them.

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Brooke - posted on 05/13/2010

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I will tell you exactly what's wrong with our so called leaders. Simply put, they are no longer working for the people but rather for other politicians at a hefty price tag.

Carolee - posted on 04/20/2010

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Greed and pride suck... unfortunately, the whole country is getting sucked down with it... by both sides.

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ummm.....THe recently passed healthcare bill is NOT Universal Healthcare. I wish people would just STOP calling it that!!!!! They don't even call it that in the actual law! It is health insurance reform. Call it that. That's all for my rant on this post :)

btw, lmao at the original post!

LaCi - posted on 04/20/2010

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Anonymous Republican sources told reporters they were planning to bounce back next week by naming another building after Ronald Reagan.


I'm so glad the onion made fun of the reagan nonsense BTW. Thought I'd add that after I read the whole thing ;)

Jenny - posted on 04/20/2010

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I know Laci, that ruling blew my mind! How on earth could they pass that with a clear conscience? The integrity of the court really took a hit with that one.

LaCi - posted on 04/20/2010

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Jenny said: "It seems, to me, to stem from corporations. They are pouring so much money into the this system but on both sides while they get away with whatever they want in the background. "

I agree with that 100%. And the fact that we now approve of corporations sponsoring political campaigns has just given a free pass to every crooked sunofabeach that see's the potential for financial gain by buying a politician. It was already happening, but the fact that instead of being outraged and finding a way to prevent the bribery we've sat around and allowed our supreme court to say its perfectly acceptable is handing the executioner the axe.

ME - posted on 04/20/2010

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The ideological difference then is that nearly everything the dems are suggesting will benefit the US, particularly it's poorest and most defenseless or powerless citizens, and the dems find this to be a GREAT plan for the future of our nation (you know...REAL equality for all). The repubs want to help only those who already have money and power (using the failed ideal of trickle down economics). The republicans are refusing to entertain (even their own) ideas if they are proposed by dems. WTF!!! I still maintain that the news media exacerbates these issues and differences of opinon. BUT Jenny is also right...when human beings are offered money, power, and celebrity, they have a hard time turning them all down, and that's what lobbiests and corporations offer our politicians. We can fix that problem by making "lobbying", as it is done now, illegal!

Jessica - posted on 04/20/2010

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Esther, I didn't mean to get off topic but I just get so sick and tired of the men and women in WA thinking they are so high and mighty and lately above the law. I want to respond to one thing you said and then I'll get back to the topic if I choose not have health insurance the government will take 2.2% of my annual salary, which is not right, also if I go to the ER I pay my bill, if you have gotten any of my hospital bills in the mail please forward them to me :).



Krista, you said what I wanted to, so thank you. If it would benefit the US I would support whether it was proposed by Reps or Dems.

Jenny - posted on 04/20/2010

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I think it really got bad in the 80's. It seems, to me, to stem from corporations. They are pouring so much money into the this system but on both sides while they get away with whatever they want in the background. I mean giving them human rights is absolutely unbeleivable! Or check out Food Inc. and see how your fodod safety is maanged. It's terrifying.

That and the media, they report all these poll results with absolute glee but they don't really mean anything. They love playing one "side" off the other. People love a competition, look how much money sports leagues bring in. Well politics has been elevated to that level now. It has become info-tainment.

Now you have a situation where people believe that the president is not THEIR president if they did not vote for them so they do not need to respect the office or the policies. They'll just bide their time until they got another shot, and they likely will becasue the poulace will mistakenly think the sitting party is "weak" so they need change. I think the only solution is to do away with parties altogether and start voting for issues, direct democracy style. The era of the political celebrity has got to end to actually accomplish anything.

Krista - posted on 04/20/2010

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Unfortunately, looking at it from an outsider's point of view, it seems as though Dems and Repubs no longer see each other as respected opponents who also want what's best for the country, but just have different ideas as to go about it. Now, it seems as though each side is hell-bent and determined to "win", regardless of what the consequences are for the country. Wasn't it McCain who said recently that the Republicans have vowed to oppose any and every single bill that Obama sends across their collective desk? What if the bill is something that would really benefit the country? They're being obstructionist solely for its own sake.

It's all turned into a power game, it seems, and the people who elected them are just collateral damage.

Jessica - posted on 04/20/2010

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I think the government has become more controling than representing. WE are supposed to be their bosses and somewhere along the line we gave them so much power and control over our lives that we aren't being represented anymore we are being pushed and pulled into the direction they want us to be. When did decisions that were to be made to benefit us become competitions between parties? I think this is appaling. Just for the record I am a conservative and I was against the healthcare bill, not because I don't believe that everyone should have healthcare coverage but because it is a mask for so many other issues. What gives the government the right to tax me because I CHOOSE not to have healthcare. This is the type of thing that the American people should have had the chance to vote on but they took the power into their own hands and that is not why they are there!!!!!!!

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