What the hell is with the "TROLL" comments

Maree - posted on 02/05/2012 ( 20 moms have responded )

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What on earth is wrong with people???



Seriously,people have issues if they can't have a DEBATE on a DEBATE FORUM without throwing around the "troll" comments like they are going out of fashion...



It really is laughable that some people have nothing better to do than to make up "troll" jokes and phrases to,i'm assuming,get rid of someone from a forum or to humilliate them....



Come on people,do you not realize that people are debating because they feel strongly about something????



Maybe some people are too stupid to realize or are so focussed on being part of the "gang" to see that having an opinion that is....gasp !!! ....different ....is actually not being a "troll"....it's a bloody stupid word anyway....



Oh...one last thing....DON'T FEED THE TROLLS....what a fucked up ridiculous thing to say.

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When you join in a conversation/debate/whatever and specifically say that you don't care what anyone thinks since we aren't 'real' people since we are just on the internet.... you are by definition... a troll. Quite simple really.

Krista - posted on 02/05/2012

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Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument for her own amusement.



Pretty much.



There's nothing wrong with disagreeing. And there's nothing wrong with being passionate about your opinions.



But when you come into a group for the first time and post provocative statements and yell to the rafters about how you're not here to make friends, and that you don't care what we think, etc. etc....well, it's really not hard for everybody else to get the impression that you're just having fun being inflammatory and trying to get a rise out of people.



Hence, the "troll" comments.



It's not about sticking to your guns and refusing to back down. It's about your thinly veiled contempt for each and every other person in this group.

Charlie - posted on 02/05/2012

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Or maybe the opposing view has been Presented in such an absurd and abrasive fashion that to think the poster was in fact trying to partake in actual debate would seem illogical given online debate does have certain ettiquette.



Perhaps if the poster wishes to be taken seriously and not mistaken for a troll they should brush up on their debate skills before riding in all guns a blazing.



Everyone is and always has been fiercely passionate, majority are able to present views from either side while still maintaining their credibility.



It's not about being in the minority, it is about how you present yourself.

A troll is a legitimate term used universally online, don't like it ? Rethink your approach.

Jodi - posted on 02/05/2012

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So many come into this forum and get all pissy because people don't debate the way they do...or want to. I was the exact same way. Thing is, you have to learn to debate with the group, not make up your own rules and try to get everyone else to play by them. For the majority of the time, this group of women is incredibly respectful and intelligent and welcoming. Debates here do get heated, there are opposing views, but they're debated respectfully, tactfully...not walking on eggshells, but you don't have to piss off every person with the *way* you disagree to let them know you disagree.



If you stick around (which I hope you do) you'll learn to really appreciate the women here, they keep me sane most days! And you'll WANT to phrase things in a way that lets them know you disagree, but you respect their opinion enough to not be offensive, rude or hurtful about it. I didn't come here to make friends either, but lo and behold, I have!

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/05/2012

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Maree, calling people stupid doesn't exactly help your stance.

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Amie - posted on 02/05/2012

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*** MOD Alert***



I'm locking this thread. There's no debate, there's no advice being asked for, it's not even a discussion. It's a rant that is borderlining on the No THUMPS rules.



Please, everyone, refrain from taking everything so personally. If a person can not handle it or is getting too heated, I suggest turning off your computer and walking away for a few days.



Amie

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Amie - posted on 02/05/2012

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*** MOD Alert***



I'm locking this thread. There's no debate, there's no advice being asked for, it's not even a discussion. It's a rant that is borderlining on the No THUMPS rules.



Please, everyone, refrain from taking everything so personally. If a person can not handle it or is getting too heated, I suggest turning off your computer and walking away for a few days.



Amie

~DM mod

Rosie - posted on 02/05/2012

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for someone who doesn't give a shit about us "unreal" people here, you sure do bitch about it a lot.

Mrs. - posted on 02/05/2012

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Yeah, I was referring to you because it was clear that although I took the time to write quite a long response to your post, that addressed a lot of the things you complained about in the post following my post, it was clear that you did not read it at all. Sometimes, when you take time out of your day to try to reach out to someone who is obviously in pain and self destructing and they don't take the time to at least read what you wrote....it can be like hitting your virtual head against a brick wall.



My advice...slow down, read and do some deep breathing. I seem to remember one of Sarah's posts saying if you find yourself responding physically, your cheeks are getting hot, you feel angry like you would when someone is right in front of you - it is time to get off the computer and come back in a few days.

Maree - posted on 02/05/2012

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I agree somewhat Rebecca...and i don't plan on going anywhere unless i no longer have the time or something...i am very stubborn and will usually "stick it out"



I have no immediate plans to be part of the majority though....not because i want a fight or to be hated but simply because i don't agree with most people and never will...thats why i like debating forums...just find it annoying that me (and on occasion some others) become "trolls" for sticking to their guns and refusing to back down when they don't agree with something.

As much as i do not agree with Meme on the SS topic,i applaud her for keeping it going and not just "going away" because she is a "troll"..... if you read this GOOD ON YOU MEME.....

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Well then Maree, I suppose my stupidity will be forever associated with my name for merely asking.



Sweetie, you can be passionate and opinionated all you want to, just be careful who you refer to as stupid. :-)

Maree - posted on 02/05/2012

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I assume you are talking about me rebecca!!!...not really sure why exactly but oh well...

Maree - posted on 02/05/2012

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See Elfrieda,I don't see it like that...especially when it is said during a debate !!!

The people that debate are usually very passionate and reluctant to "just go away" because of their passion....and why the heck should they???

Just because they are disturbing the peace?

That sounds like a pretty shithouse debate...where everyone agrees...then someone comes in and actually DEBATES....gets called a troll....so they piss off....and everyone can go back to their NON DEBATE...BORING!!!!

Mrs. - posted on 02/05/2012

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"Most of the time,talking to a brick wall is less irritating."



Just had that experience myself.

Maree - posted on 02/05/2012

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I wouldn't say it "bothers me" exactly....I find it rather annoying but i guess people in general annoy me. Most of the time,talking to a brick wall is less irritating.

Sharon, I think it is a stupid thing to say,mostly because it usually comes out because a person dares to have passion about a particular topic...or disagrees with the majority...and it seems like the people who use that word,do so as a bullying tactic...and then accuse the person with the differing opinion....of the exact same thing.

That's just my take on it though....

Elfrieda - posted on 02/05/2012

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It means something specific, Maree. They're not making fun of your looks or anything like that.



Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument for her own amusement.



If someone says, "Don't feed the trolls" that means don't argue with a person who is clearly only in it for the drama. If we don't argue with/"feed" them, the trolls will give up and go away.



Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between a really intense personality and a troll. For myself, I prefer to think the best of people, so sometimes I do respond even when I suspect that it is only a troll looking for trouble.

Mrs. - posted on 02/05/2012

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I posted this in the SS thread, but this is what I think about your situation:





You know, I think it is an adjustment to come on DMs at first. Everyone who is drawn to this board has some sort of passion for an issue, their belief system or just debating. If you have a fire under you about any of those things, it is likely, on a board like DM, that the other people who are just as fired up about differing things, they are going to use the tools they have to debate you aggressively.



When you land on this board, suddenly your thrown out of the pond and into the ocean as far as it be an international site. What might pass in a your smaller circle at home as accepted truth and standards may have no relation to what the majority of folks here think. That doesn't mean what you think isn't as enlightened, it may mean it is more forward thinking..who knows..it just means it may be a bit of a shock to the system of a newbie. It may mean that the newbie might start to think that everyone must hate them and their opinion does not matter.



I'm all for big opinions that differ than mine in a debate, it makes it exciting. What I hate and why I don't come here as often as I used to, is the whole taking it personally and personal vendetta stuff.



I think, if you stay awhile, you will see that the people who have been here forever are the ones who are more middle of the road types....and yeah, they tend to all more or less agree sometimes. The people who are a bit less middle of the road, who come out with knives and venom from the beginning, they tend to self destruct and leave. Some stay and learn to be more constructive, more subtle and take things less personally - I know I did.



I look at this as the price of admission to the fun game here. If you want to play, learn the rules and play within them. If not....you can be upset, pissed off and never get to the fun part of exercising you brain with other adults (something that so many of us moms don't always get to do with young children at home).



And that's about all I gotta say about it...I hope you take that in. If you don't, that's cool too. Changes are, if that's the case, you'll probably self destruct and go away soon. I hope that's not what happens. The board needs differing opinions presented in constructive ways.

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