What would you do...

Lady Heather - posted on 07/04/2011 ( 54 moms have responded )

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if you were at the mall and there was an infant in a car clearly alone? Add to that it's a hot day. I'm just asking because this happened in Kelowna today and witnesses called police to unlock the car. Maybe they left out some details in the article, but it didn't say anything about witness attempting to get into the car themselves. Fuck, I would be smashing the shit out that thing to get to the kid. Yeah, I'd call the cops too but I don't think I'd sit around and wait for them to show up.

Apparently the mum returned to the vehicle and said she was only gone shopping for 10 minutes and didn't see what the big deal was. WIN.

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Ez - posted on 07/06/2011

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I would break a window in a heartbeat. Depending on the state of the baby, I might even do that before calling the police. Regardless, I would not wait for the cops to show up. Temperatures inside a car on a hot Aussie day can get up to 60C. Even a minute in that is dangerous.

Fuck the damage. Fuck the potential charges. I would be getting that baby out.

Merry - posted on 07/05/2011

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I saw an episode of 'what would YOU do?' that set this scenario up. It was hot, it was a newborn sized doll that 'breathed' in a carseat. Plenty of people called the police, but no one smashed a window. The baby doll had it's eyes closed but it was 'breathing' but still.........they had van met there who said to the viewers that if you ever see this situation call 911 and immediately break the window farthest away from the child so you don't get broken glass on the baby. He said even two extra minutes could be deathly, you never know how long the child has been alone already.
Honestly if the child was alert and looking around contentedly I wouldn't break a window, but I'd call 911 for sure. If Anything looked 'off' with the child, heavy breathing, wide eyes confused or bewildered look, sleeping, crying, fighting to get out of harness, etc I'd break the window while dialing 911.

Melissa - posted on 07/06/2011

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That's so crazy! I can't believe people still leave their kids in the car like that! I'll admit, if I'm running into the gas station to pay for gas, I'll leave my son in the car. I know it's illegal, but let's be real; is it really fair to the child to make him get out the car in the dead of winter just to walk 5 feet to pay for gas, just to be put back into the car? Or the heat in the summer? In general, it's just silly to me. I can see him the entire time, the doors are always locked, the windows in the back cracked slightly, and I keep either the heat or ac on, whichever is needed, obviously. That being said, going into the gas station for 2 minutes while your child remains in your direct line of vission is MUCH different than going INTO THE MALL FOR 10 MINUTES!! ANYTHING could happen! There's kidnappers, car theifs, or really just sick people who enjoy hurting others. She's got to be out of her flipping mind. I hope charges are brought against her, and I hope there's some serious punishment served to her. I'm not questioning on whether or not she loves her child, but she seriously needs some lessons in better judgement. So sad!!

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Stifler's - posted on 07/09/2011

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I would just tell the cops I was going to do it. I doubt they would say not to.

Sal - posted on 07/09/2011

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sad as it is, i would if i were going to smash the window in a rush without calling police first have some one video me or record it myself to prove it needed that i was getting a baby out, i am happy and willing to do it but would cover my ass, my kids need me and i don;t need to get into some stupid arguement with some other parent when i was clearly acting in the interest of the child...

Sal - posted on 07/09/2011

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i would call police, and actaully try the door, maybe they left one open, and i would be prepared to smash a window if the child looked in distress or/and with police ok.....

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I have called mall security before as there were 2 small children fast asleep in a van over 20 minutes (I waited) and it was probably only 20degrees out. Mom was PISSED but I didn't care. Someone had to do something.

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Regardless of the weather or if the child is in distress or not a small child should never be left alone in a car.EVER.

In this case i would break a window and get the baby, while ringing the police.



A mom in my home town heard her baby cough in his car seat in the back of the car and he was just days old.She pulled in and he was not breathing.There was a chemist near and they saved his life.You never no what could happen to a small child at any moment.Never leave thm alone.Not like this.

Vicki - posted on 07/08/2011

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I would phone 000. I know the response would be very fast so I would only break the window if the baby was unconscious, distressed or showing signs of heat stress. Police & ambulance would be sent on a priority one. Where I live I would expect at least one of them to be there in a few minutes (I work for the ambulance service).

I accidentally locked my boy in the car outside a supermarket. Luckily even though it was summer it wasn't a hot day, we were in the shade and the car was right outside the door. I went inside and called the RAC (callout mechanic). They were there quickly, I can't remember exactly how long but less than 10 minutes. The supermarket staff tried to pick the lock for me. One of them wanted to break a window but I knew the RAC would prioritise my call and my little man was fine, playing peekaboo with the sunshade. I learnt never to let him grab the keys as I put him in the car after that!

Kate CP - posted on 07/08/2011

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The only time I've ever left my kids in the car is when I'm pumping gas. I use pay at the pump. I *never* leave my kids in a parked car.

Merry - posted on 07/08/2011

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The only times I've left my kid in the car alone is if I forgot something inside and I run back to grab it, or if he's asleep when we get to someone's house I'll let him sleep in the car in their driveway but never at a store parking lot.
Oh and the gas station I've ran in to pay the bill a few times but only leave him if he's sleeping or it's super cold out.

Jodi - posted on 07/07/2011

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"We have a local car unlocking service that will open a car for free and place it as a priority call (10 minute response or less). If you break the car window yourself you can be sued."

As has already been said, 10 minutes can be the difference between life and death. I'd rather be sued for the cost of the window (in fact, I'd offer to fucking pay for it) than let a child die because I thought it was asleep.

Jodi - posted on 07/07/2011

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Chrissey, I've left my kids in the car momentarily if I can get a park RIGHT out the front, and can see it at all times, but never in direct sunlight in the summer. It only takes a few minutes for a child to distress in that sort of heat. Even if the windows are down a bit, it makes little difference. But if I can manage to park in the shade, a minute or two, I'd do it.

Vegemite - posted on 07/07/2011

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Yeah it gets hot here too, up in the 30's but it's the local the kind for grabbing milk or bread. When I get in the car it's always still cooler than outside from the A/C even though the car's been turned off. That's how little time it takes. Anymore time than that and if I couldn't see them I don't think I'd take the risk.

Jane - posted on 07/07/2011

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I live in Texas where it gets very, very hot. I never leave my kids in the car, even if I know I will have a battle in the store. Too many kids die here from being left in cars.

Vegemite - posted on 07/07/2011

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Yeah I would call emergency first. If the child was distressed or unresponsive I would tell them and that I was going to break in. That way I'm covered and the child can get help as well.



However I have to admit I often leave my kids in the car at the local shops with window down a bit, car off and locked. It is a small community, parking is right outside the door and I can see the kids in the car from most of the shop. From the checkout I can hear them. Lots of locals do the same. What do you guys think about that?

Jane - posted on 07/07/2011

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We have a local car unlocking service that will open a car for free and place it as a priority call (10 minute response or less). If you break the car window yourself you can be sued. If the police do it (and ours carry slim-jims) for unlocking vehicles) or a locksmith you won't be sued.

Unless the child or children are in extremis or obviously suffering from the heat you should report it but not take it on yourself to break the window.

Casey - posted on 07/07/2011

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I have had this happen to me once before too, I was out shopping with my mum and the kids and we went to the car and put the groceries in the boot, took the trolley back, put the kids in the car and then I look in the car beside mine which had been sitting there the whole time we had been stuffing around and there was a newborn baby in there and a toddler and the keys were in the ignition and the window was down I was like wtf I was so shocked cause anyone could have taken them or the toddler could have undone his seatbelt and gotten out of the car, so I sat there for another 5 minutes and then rang the police who arrived 5 minutes later and mum was still nowhere to be seen, so they stayed there and waited for her and she showed up 10 minutes later so all up it had been a good half an hour since I had gotten to my car and noticed the kids (not sure how much longer they had sat there waiting before then) the mum was a young girl who would have been about 18 or 19 and she didn't understand what all the fuss was about, she told the police that it is to much hassle to take both kids into the supermarket to do the shopping so she always leaves them in the car with the radio on and the windows down and she leaves a bottle for the baby in the car with the toddler so he could feed it if it cried (I was horrified cause this toddler was about 18 months old and was responsible for a newborn baby) as far as I know she was charged on the spot and she was also told that a report would be made to child services.
I am just shocked that people leave their kids in the car all the time not only can kids die if left in a hot car, but there is nothing stopping someone from smashing a window and taking off with your child or the child getting out of it's seatbelt and opening the door and running onto the road, hello if your going to have children then at least be responsible about it!!!

Desiree - posted on 07/07/2011

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Cathy if you see a child in a car alone and the Temp is 25 I suggest you break the window. 25 outside is not to bad but inside a car it is much hotter and can kill. And since you are in a climate that is not use to high heats means that the body struggles to aclimatise to drastic changes in heat. Had a show here all about quiet interesting. Fo those of us in SA and Aus we are use to those temp so our bodies sweat and deal with it correctly but because your temp is cooler when you guys had those heatwaves a couple of years ago you saw more deaths than we would, because the body isn't use to producing that amount of sweat. learnt a couple of good points to if the body temp is very high do not dump the person into a cold bath you can kill them instead spray the cool water onto the body and fan, it is the most effective way of cooling the body.

Carmina - posted on 07/07/2011

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i cant understand how anyone could do that! i would call the police, i would wait until they came though but keeping a CLOSE watch on the kid.. if i saw them overly sweating or anything like that i would definetly try to get in the car, poor darling how lazy do you have to be to leave your child in a hot car seriously!

Kate CP - posted on 07/06/2011

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I live in Texas. It gets up to 105 in the summer, sometimes hotter. It's illegal to leave pets or children in a car for ANY length of time. First I would call the cops and tell them of the incident and inform them that unless they could get there in 1 minutes or less I would be getting the kid out of the car in my OWN way. I call the cops if I see a dog in a car. I'm tempted to smash windows when I see that but I don't. If a saw a kid in a car in the summer without a parent...yea...they would have one less window.

Sylvia - posted on 07/06/2011

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I'd probably hang around by the car for a while to make sure the baby was OK (not distressed, not overheating, etc.) and wait for the parent to get back. If the baby was *not* OK, and especially if it was a really really hot day such as we often have here in Toronto in the summer, then I would be trying to get into the car, get the parents paged (by licence-plate number, obviously), attract the attention of other people who could go get help, etc.

Phoning the police would certainly not be my immediate reaction. (Plus also I don't have a cellphone, so ...)

Julie - posted on 07/06/2011

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Wow, I see these stories every year and I just don't understand them. How could you forget your child was in the car? How could you think that leaving them in a car when it is 100+ degrees outside is ok? I was worried about the crickets I left in the car yesterday while I ran inside KFC to pick up dinner, and they were lizard food! They were destined to die anyway. No way in hell could I leave a child of any age in a car that long. My teenage step-son says I'll wait in the car.....if it's 75 and the windows are down, sure. If it's 100, no. You can walk into the store with me. Some people are just stupid.

Btw.....the crickets were fine. Jackson the lizard said they were quite tasty.

Lady Heather - posted on 07/05/2011

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Brilliance abounds!

Somehow being overtired or stressed and forgetting your kid (like that woman on Oprah who forgot she was supposed to take her kid to daycare that day...you know the one) is just waaaaaay less hard for my brain to take than a parent who does it purposely and doesn't think it's wrong. The first scenario for me is a wake up call for the rest of us harried parents. The second is wake up call that we need to punch the idiots of the world in the genital region until they can't procreate.

I'd GLADLY take a b&e charge to save a kid's life. That trial would rock my socks.

Tara - posted on 07/05/2011

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Hey Jenny both of our cities made the front page of DM this week! Yours for a fucktard of a parent, mine for a dude who wants to change canada's nudity laws, got himself arrested in Bracebridge for going through the drive-thru of a Timmy's and A&W NUDE!

Jenny - posted on 07/05/2011

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I live in Kelowna, it was hot as hell here yesterday. That woman is a fucking idiot and I would have smashed that window without a second thought and tried my hardest not to just punch her in the face. What the fuck was she thinking?

Becky - posted on 07/05/2011

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Good point about the child being asleep vs. being passed out. If the child appeared to be asleep and it was very hot, I would break the window.

Becky - posted on 07/05/2011

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Liz, that's horrible! It's hard to fathom how they could forget that the child was in the car in front of their own house! I can sort of understand the cases where parent 1 usually takes baby to daycare, for some reason parent 2 is doing it today, forgets to drop baby off, goes in to the office and comes out to disasterous results. But at home? Wouldn't you notice after a while that your child was strangely quiet? Hmmm.

Gina - posted on 07/05/2011

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10 minutes is a long time in a closed car on a hot day. I would call the police,if the child was alert I'd wait but if they were asleep or crying I would smash the window.I wouldn't trust that the child is only sleeping, what if they had passed out? It amazes me that kids are left alone in a hot car,the mum didn't see the big deal,really?

Jodi - posted on 07/05/2011

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Yes, I've heard of cases like that Liz. I can't believe anyone could forget their kid in a car, but it happens apparently, and sometimes with tragic results.

When I said I'd check for distress, I meant that if the baby was looking content and alert, I'd hold off, but if it appeared asleep or in any way distressed, I wouldn't hesitate. Screw the liability, it's just a window. How much could it possibly cost? If the parents want to be assholes, karma can come and get them some time in the future.

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What about this recent case?



A 23-month-old girl died of heatstroke after one of her parents unintentionally left the child strapped in her car seat in front of their home. Police said a "change of routine" caused the parent to forget that the child was in the car for nearly nine hours.



Really?? A change of routine? The only routine change that would make me forget my son for 9 hours is if someone drugged me.



The wording by the police is strange. Also no criminal charges. So maybe it was this horrible accident, like Parent A thought Parent B was going to drive the car w/ child to Grandma's, but Parent A thought something else.



God, it's horrible, horrible.

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Then the mother would sue you for property damage, and you'd end up on Judge Judy. At least it would be entertaining to watch JJ call the woman an idiot.

Krista - posted on 07/05/2011

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Exactly. I don't think I'd wait to see if the child appeared to be in distress. The kid could appear to be sleeping peacefully, but could actually have passed out from the heat. It's just too big of an "if". I'd call the cops and I'd let them know that I was smashing the window. And if I get charged, then so be it -- I would never forgive myself if that baby died while I was standing there looking at him, thinking he was doing okay.

Jodi - posted on 07/05/2011

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Ok, no worries. And I wasn't suggesting you were an idiot and would let it happen. But a baby could be asleep, and you'd never know, which is why I just thought I'd point it out. No need to take offence.

Amanda - posted on 07/05/2011

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Well Jodi its 7 am and maybe I should of explained myself better. Clearly if the child is in distress I will take the criminal charge, and cost of repairing the car, I'm not an idiot whos going to allow a baby to die infront of me. Sorry I didnt realize I needed to explain that :0)

Amanda - posted on 07/05/2011

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Here in Ontario its against the law to leave a young child in any car in any tempature. So yes I would call the police, I would not break into the car as the owner of the car can charge me breaking and entering (yes people are that stupid). Police responce time is pretty fast where I live, fire department would of been even faster, so I wouldnt be worried about the extra 3 minutes.

Jodi - posted on 07/05/2011

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I'd have called the police and then checked to see if the child looked in distress, in which case, I would not have hesitated to smash the window. 10 minutes is way too long to leave a small child in a car - it only takes a few minutes for a young child to die in a hot car. Infants can dehydrate and overheat very quickly. This was totally unacceptable.

Becky - posted on 07/05/2011

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I would definitely call the cops. I might smash the window, it would depend how long the cops were taking and whether the baby looked like it was in distress. If I had another adult with me, I'd have one of us run in to get mall security to come out and deal with it.
Things like this piss me off so bad. I was going through the drive through at Tim Horton's one morning on my way to work a few years ago and there were two little girls - around 3-5, judging by their sizes, left in their vehicle alone, parked in the spot right by the drive through lane. They were not properly restrained and were hanging out the window waving at people. One of them could have fallen out the window right in front of a vehicle in the drive-through! I was mad! when I got through the drive-through, I pulled over and parked next to them and stood there and watched until their dad came back out. He had about 5 more minutes and I was calling the cops. I wanted to tear him a new one, but I chickened out. :( I wish I would've said something! People like this are why we should have to get a license to have children!

Amber - posted on 07/04/2011

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I'm with Emma. Call the cops and then smash the window. I would tell the operator that I was smashing the window too.
What are they going to do? Make me pay for a window?

Stifler's - posted on 07/04/2011

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Call the cops and while I'm waiting smash the window. On a hot day here it's like 40 degrees celcius there's no way I'm waiting for cops to show up. Who goes shopping and leaves their kid in the car.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/04/2011

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It makes me want to go punch someone for stupidity like that.

Lady Heather - posted on 07/04/2011

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I'm sorry for ruining your sleep Marina. :(

Yeah...it's just...what?? Like I'm angry and totally confused at the same time.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/04/2011

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My blood is boiling over this. I was coming in here to actually shut down the comp and go to bed when your thread caught my eye. Now my eyes are wide open.

Lady Heather - posted on 07/04/2011

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Oh, the wench is going to be charged for sure. We get charged for animal cruelty in these cases with pets too. A puppy just died recently in Burnaby after being left for three HOURS. That owner is now being investigated and I'm sure will face charges.

I just can't fathom who does this. When my kid was 4 months old I wasn't even ready to put her in her own room next to mine in our secure and temperature controlled house with a monitor.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/04/2011

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Does this women understand she could potentially have killed her child in 10 minutes? And that she could be potentially losing her child or under investigation by child protection services? Oh man. I am sick to my stomach about this one.

Desiree - posted on 07/04/2011

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Actually here in SA where it gets exceptionally hot you will be charged for reckless endangerment. You are not allowed to leave an infant or toddler unattended in a vehicle and certainly not in the heat. You call the security and the police. We also get charged for animal abuse if we leave an animal in the car in the heat. No the price is not worth it.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/04/2011

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Oh man, I really hope she is brought up on charges! WHOLLY FUCK! People seriously do that intentionally these days?!?

I would be trying all the doors while I was calling the police, taking pictures of the license plate, the child inside and calling for an ambulance also. I would break a window if it was a hot day, hell yeah I would.

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