why can't you take religion out of it?

Rosie - posted on 05/30/2011 ( 267 moms have responded )

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in MILF'S thread take religion out of it, a few of you mentioned that you CAN'T take religion out of it when it comes to homosexuality and marriage between the same sex. why?
IMO, it's another person. not yourself. why are you spending so much time worrying about what other people are doing? as long as they aren't hurting you- i don't get it.

do you wish all liars to not wed either? all adulterers? all people who have remarried or been divorced are clearly sinning as well, why are they exempt from "i can't take my religion out of it?"
how can you not see that it's completely possible to be a follower of god, and not give two shits about two men or women who love each other?

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Charlie - posted on 06/02/2011

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Just to address anal sex ..The anal passage contains thousands of nerve endings and pleasure receptors for male and female ...for men it is access to their highly sensitive prostate from which it is easiest to reach orgasm at a much more powerful level than that of vaginal sex .

Believe it or not, the anus is indeed a part of the sexual anatomy. As research has shown, the anus contracts just as other sexual parts do during orgasmic release. It can be a source of tremendous pleasurable sensation, closeness and eroticism for a couple.





Both hetero and homosexuals enjoy anal sex .

Rosie - posted on 06/01/2011

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human rights shouldn't be up for vote. can you imagine putting black peoples right to marry up for a vote? doesn't that sound completely screwed up?
i'd also like to know how so many people seem to want to spit on the declaration of independence. without that line "all men are created equal" YOU wouldn't have the right to vote. without countless women throwing THEIR parades, and rally's YOU wouldn't have the right to do squat. you'd still be living in a time that wouldn't allow you to enjoy many of the privledges you have today. how can you not see this is the EXACT same thing. the mind boggles...

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This is what really confuses me about the whole religion and homosexuality clash. It seems as if those who condemn homosexuality as a sin based on some vague biblical passages (whose specific words are subject to a vast array of interpretations), are forgetting what most would agree is one of the key teachings of their revered bible: Love thy neighbor as thyself. This exact phrase appears several times throughout the Old Testament, as well as in three of the four Gospels in the New Testament.



I really am not evenly remotely well versed on the bible, but even most grade-schoolers who are raised Christian can quote that particular line, and know that Jesus told his followers that this was the second most important commandment after loving God above all others. Perhaps it's just me, but I'm pretty sure that denying equal rights to your gay "neighbors" is not very loving or Christ-like.





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The conclusion I have reached is that you really don't need to "take the religion out of it" for Christianity and homosexuality to happily coexist. If you are truly a Christ-like person, with only love for others in your heart, you could not possibly be against gay marriage. I think those who use religion as a basis for being prejudiced, judgmental, or to condemn their fellow man are completely missing the point, and will come up short in the eyes of pretty much any God who loves his people.

Jenny - posted on 05/30/2011

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Like I said before, it has nothing to do with religion. They don't approve of people being gay and hide it behind their faith. Faith is a scapegoat for their intolerance. They seem almost indifferent to it too, like "*shrug* my faith doesn't approve, what's a gal to do?"

Of course they can separate it, they separate in many other areas of their lives and make excuses like "well it was a different time, we don't do that anymore." Well guess what, it's a different time and we don't approve of bigots anymore so knock it off. We need to stop allowing religion to take precedence over human rights and start calling them on it.

Dana - posted on 06/02/2011

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Because, "it's fair". Well, I'm not here, debating, to pat the "fair" people on the back. I grew up in a religious home, I attended church for my entire childhood, I was baptized in a Church of Christ. Now I'm an adult who supports same sex marriage. Do you want to pat me on the back for being fair so we can go back to debating the assholes who vehemently oppose same sex marriage because of their belief system?

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Sara - posted on 06/03/2011

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YOu need to work on your interpersonal communication skills, Ashley. You seem to be the one confusing debating with patronizing others.

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No thanks, Cheese can have her incorrect and misguided opinions. I'm done. I don't need to "argue" with someone who can't understand what they're reading... maybe a lack of depth? I don't know why the meaning of my words escape you. But they clearly have. Perhaps my wording or lack there of is at fault. But know this, Cheese you are completely wrong in your interpretation of my words and their meaning. I don't know how else or which words to use to express to you my intent. So I am throwing in the towel. Please though, stop "interpreting" my arguments, it may be my lack of articulation that has caused this misunderstanding but you have failed epically in your version of my meaning.

Rosie - posted on 06/03/2011

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no, i think i'm done actually. i dont' want to engage in this anymore. it's obvious that some people just won't get it, no matter what gets said. i'll stop it before i say something to screwed up.

Dana - posted on 06/03/2011

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I've had my say. I think I'll sit on the sidelines and observe this time around. That's what a retired champ does, right. ;)

Rosie - posted on 06/03/2011

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what do i need to reread? you claimed you are bisexual and then in the next breath defend people who wouldn't want gays to marry. i'm not confused, i think you may be though with all of your back and forth wishy washy dribble.

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Cheese- nope, try again, re-read and this time understand what you are reading... if you're confused, you did it wrong again;)

Rosie - posted on 06/03/2011

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you are confusing the hell out of me ashley. you're bisexual? yet you are arguing against it. are you trying to be a smart ass? why would you expect anyone to debate the religious who are not opposed to homosexuality? does that really need to be explained to you? what are you trying to prove here?

JuLeah - posted on 06/03/2011

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@ Laura: I was debating with a fellow once who was willing to admit he himself had seen 'gay' (see perverted) behaviors in animals of the same gender. His conclusion: We (see all Queers) had gone out and taught 'em.
I had to laugh.
Yes sir, you caught us. You found out our little trick. We set up groups that go out at night, into cow and horse pastures, into the rivers and oceans for the fish and dolphins and then we instruct them on how to act 'gay'
"No" we say the the male sliverback gorilla - throw your hip out to the side when you gesture like that.
No, we say to the female poodle, Get that bow out of your hair and cut those curls off.
AND .... this guy stood there like he was taking in every word; believing me

Constance - posted on 06/02/2011

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Both Dana's it has been fun. But it is time for me to lay down before the blue monkey shows up for a conversation. Got to love Ambian it is effective just have to make sure I am in bed when on it. Or I end up talking to a blue monkey and damn I haven't don acid sinse 9th grade.
Have a great night talk to you tommow.

Constance - posted on 06/02/2011

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I have a gay aunt on the Catholic side of my family. It was never spoke of and until about 15yrs ago I assumed her husband had died. That is how the older generations do it their spouse passes and the never bring anyone new into their life. She wasn't disowned or hated but it was a very private matter.
On my Epistopalion ( I took myAmbien about 10 mins. ago. so i am getting drowsy and my brain isn't functioning) My uncle (RIP) was gay and had a life long partner whixh is still a part of our family. It was very open and talked about ant accepted.
Both sides veryreligious and I still attend church and teach my children prayer and respecct. Most of to be open-minded.

Dana - posted on 06/02/2011

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Anytime, Ashely! :) And you didn't waste my time, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

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LOLZ! yes, two gay uncles counters a religious upbringing! :) I think you're right, I need a break. I don't know how you do it... pretty sure I stopped making sense awhile ago (heck, maybe didn't make any sense at all). When thinking back to try and sum up a "point" to conclude with... I can't. That must mean I did a pretty shotty job of things. Sorry for wasting your time. I'll take that passive-aggressive thing into account the next time I try and debate... that can't be very useful. Thanks for debating me.

Isobel - posted on 06/02/2011

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and yes...you are allowed to believe any crazy-ass thing you like...just so long as it's not reflected in a law that governs ME...or anybody else that I love.

Dana - posted on 06/02/2011

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I also grew up with two gay uncles, one from each side of my family. Doesn't that even out the religious side of it? Kind of like they knock each other out, right? ;)

Isobel - posted on 06/02/2011

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Homosexual behavior in animals refers to the documented evidence of homosexual and bisexual behavior in animals. This article covers non-human species, for homosexuality in humans, see Homosexuality. Such behaviors include sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting among same sex animals. A 1999 review by researcher Bruce Bagemihl shows that homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them.[1][2] Animal sexual behavior takes many different forms, even within the same species. The motivations for and implications of these behaviors have yet to be fully understood, since most species have yet to be fully studied.[3] According to Bagemihl, "the animal kingdom [does] it with much greater sexual diversity — including homosexual, bisexual and nonreproductive sex — than the scientific community and society at large have previously been willing to accept."[4] Current research indicates that various forms of same-sex sexual behavior are found throughout the animal kingdom.[5] A new review made in 2009 of existing research showed that same-sex behavior is a nearly universal phenomenon in the animal kingdom, common across species.[6] Homosexuality is best known from social species.

The observation of homosexual behavior in animals can be seen as both an argument for and against the acceptance of homosexuality in humans, and has been used especially against the claim that it is a peccatum contra naturam ('sin against nature').[1] For instance, homosexuality in animals was cited in the United States Supreme Court's decision in Lawrence v. Texas which struck down the sodomy laws of 14 states.[7] Whether animal sexuality has logical, ethical, or moral implications in human sexuality is also a source of debate (see appeal to nature).[8][9][10] For more about arguments regarding homosexuality in Humans, see homosexuality.
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...just sayin...there's proof that it's not just us human "sinners".

Dana - posted on 06/02/2011

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Yes, I grew up with religious parents... Why would that hinder me from debating this topic effectively.

I'm thinking maybe you need a break from this debate.

Dana - posted on 06/02/2011

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You've got to be kidding me. LMAO

And what personal experience would that be that would hinder me from debating effectively?

You presume way too much, my dear.

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*bows*

"Thank you, thank you" as my 2 1/2 year old says after she performs 'Twinkle Twinkle'.

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Dana S-Was passive-aggressive, suppose to be taken as... not an attack... was it a compliment?

Dana Mak- Your inquiry seems sarcastic, if it was not I wouldn't mind answering any questions you'd be interested in knowing the answers to...

Constance- I agree

Constance - posted on 06/02/2011

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Ashley Dana is right people's personal beliefs do effect everyone when it is made into a law. She is not saying that people beliefs are wrong but it is wrong when someone is forced to follow someones belief. Because it is made a law that everyone has to follow.
Which in this country we have such a diverse group of religion that it is unfair not only to one group of people. A belief that is made into law because of a lwmaker religion is unfair to anyone that practices their religion differently.
That is what this post started out as. Taking religion out of any laws. (Iknow it doesn't say that exactly but it is true). We are suppost to completely seperate church and state when making laws.

Dana - posted on 06/02/2011

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I've not made any personal attacks against you. If you call that a personal attack you should re-read your own posts.

Anyhow, yes, I choose to bring up those people AFTER you made the post of "Ashley Wire - posted 46 minutes ago

jaime, at least I see more than one side of this issue... you'd have me blind to the plight of one side of this issue? which side then, are the religious less human? should I not consider their side? "

I'm considering the side that puts up a wall for same sex marriage. Why would I address the lenient side of religion in this debate? That makes absolutely no sense.

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Who are you? Are you new here? I've never seen you around and you haven't posted very much.......I find that very "interesting".

Who is Ashley Wire?

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yes but see you choose to bring up those people... because it fits your stereotype of religious people who are against homosexuality... also, enough with the personal attacks... I don't need to be psycho-analyzed by a women I've never meant and certainly has no clue who I am.

Dana - posted on 06/02/2011

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Blah, blah, blah....your attempt to be passive aggressive wears well on you.



Obviously I'm talking about the people who are religious that inflict their views on everyone else. Why is that so hard to see or are you more interested in arguing an inane point?

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Fair enough Dana S. Thank you for apparently paying so much attention to me. I wasn't paying so close attention to you I confess. But you were the one who said this-

"The religious can have their side, they just need to quit inflicting it on others. "

Seems like you did in fact jump to such a stereotype... now doesn't it? Now, why would you assume that? That anyone was talking about religious people who wanted to "inflict their views" I was talking about being more open minded and you went there... care to explain since we're paying more attention now.

Dana - posted on 06/02/2011

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Oops I forgot to address your post of "Ashley Wire - posted 21 minutes ago



having a belief does not inflict anyone "



It does when their beliefs are made into laws that the rest of us have to abide by.

Dana - posted on 06/02/2011

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Oh Joy, someone telling me what I think...what to do, what to do...What's my next step, Ashley?
I'm well aware of people's differing opinions when it comes to same sex marriage. I'm from a very religious family where most of them oppose gay marriage.

If you hang around here long enough you'll find that we are very intelligent women who are very open minded and aware of differing opinions.

Now my observation. It appears that anytime someone makes a point or proves your point to be in err, you go on the attack, yet accuse all others of attacking.

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It seems to me like you all have this idea of what a religious person with beliefs against homosexuality might be like. You've painted this hateful, bigoted, judgmental person in your heads and aren't willing to see past this negative stereotype. Some religious people actually practice their religions which includes, not judging and not hating... and yes, sticking to a strict moral code which involves believing homosexuality is immoral (notice I didn't say sin, and for a reason). These people do not hate you they do not judge you they would not do as these awful gay hating men did and hurt or kill anyone because of their sexuality. In fact they would offer protection to those who feared such things might occur. Their beliefs would not affect you. And yet you choose to equate these loving, caring people with hateful bigots because of their differing beliefs. It is the stereotype many of you immediately jumped to. And it is prejudice and unfair.

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While I do consider DEBATING fun. What has been going on here is more like an assault. I have been called bigoted and accused of being hateful, insinuations of racist. And this is how you address people who disagree with you? And I don't think I even disagree you!!! I just merely suggested that "people" might and an onslaught of very unproductive "debating" was thrown at me. How do you think of yourselves at tolerant when you're so clearly not?

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"I was just trying keep everybody open minded to the other side of this debate. Which apparently not many here are interested in."

It's not that we're not interested in it. Quite the opposite, actually. We're DEBATING it. We're not supposed to agree with you so of course everyone is offering THE OTHER side. See.....fun! Weeeeee!

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Dana, I must admit I am ill equipped to argue on behave of those against gay sex or marriage. I was just trying keep everybody open minded to the other side of this debate. Which apparently not many here are interested in. My being ill equipped though I hope does not give you the impression that people who feel strongly in their beliefs against gay sex are just as ill equipped to defend it. I am most certain there are at least a few who are not.

If this is about winning an argument, feel free.

Dana - posted on 06/02/2011

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The religious can have their side, they just need to quit inflicting it on others.

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jaime, at least I see more than one side of this issue... you'd have me blind to the plight of one side of this issue? which side then, are the religious less human? should I not consider their side?

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oh sorry, I didn't see it.. yes, straight people have anal sex too... not sure where to go from here...

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Ah, but I didn't miss your point at all...I was merely offering the other side of that same coin that you continue to flip throughout this debate.

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Oh, and Ashley, you've conveniently not responded to my comment about gay men not being the only ones having anal sex. If a penis is biologically meant to be in a vagina, then why are women allowing men to have anal sex with them?

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