Why do we feed the machine?

Jenny - posted on 01/27/2011 ( 44 moms have responded )

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How many of you are sick of working shit jobs just to put food on the table and keep a roof over your head? How many had to work two jobs to put yourself through school? How many are tired of seeing a few living in luxury while the majority are barely getting by?



Poverty and inequality is killing us. The mere existance of the economic divide is directly related to the spike in disease, including addiction. Our children will have a shorter life span than we will and their quality of life will be worse.



I know you're sick of hearing this and probably tune it out but our planet is being drained of resources and we are severly polluting what's left in the search of them. We are finding pharmacueticals in our drinking water and species are dying off forever altering the web of life.



This system is unsustainable. We endlessly consume and use and waste. Why? For what? To do it all over again? We need the job to buy the goods. We need the goods to have a job. And it must continue to GROW. When you hear economy don't you think it means efficient? Economies are far from that. The more they grow, the more we are consuming. This shit has got to go.

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Isobel - posted on 01/28/2011

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I disagree...a lot of us like to think we are middle class, but if you don't own a home, if you can not afford a family vacation abroad every year, a college education for your children without loans, if you live pay check to pay check...you are not defined as the middle class.

We are held up by our waitresses, our cleaning ladies, our janitors, our garbage men, factory workers...I will agree that the middle and upper class SHOULD be afraid of the poor, but the poor is so busy believing the hype and self medicating with drugs and alcohol that that the middle and upper class have nothing to worry about.

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I tried to watch it this afternoon and my computer froze. My poor little conspiracy theorist brain nearly exploded...I will try again tomorrow.

Sherri, Of course you do...that is what we are taught to believe from birth. You believing that is no different than the people in North Korea believing that Kim Jung Il has all the answers and provides all their prosperity.

Capitalist societies require the masses to support the rich...if we didn't they'd all end up beheaded like in the French Revolution.

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Sherri, there are some people who work their butts off and STILL can't get a job! All the education in the world is not going to guarantee you a job these days! And there are many people who can't get an education because of a lack of academic abilty and/or lack of opportunity.
The whole "I'm all right, Jack, bugger you" attitude is part of the problem!

Jenny - posted on 01/28/2011

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Famines are are not casued by lack of food, they are caused by lack of money. Same with the AIDS epidemic in Africa. Same with every single issue we currently have.



Where's the renewable energy? It's not coming because they don't want to put up the cash for the inital infastructure and haven't figured out how to bill people in perpetuity for something they get for free once it's set up.

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Jackie-Rae said:
"But it is and ALWAYS will be a dog eat dog world."

But Jackie, we don't have to sit back and accept it. As Jennie said, we can do better than that!

Jackie - posted on 01/31/2011

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"Just imagine a world where no one struggles to survive, everyone does their part and everyone is looked after. EVERYONE. It is the perfect idea."

Perfect idea? Yes. But it is and ALWAYS will be a dog eat dog world.

Jenny - posted on 01/30/2011

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This one is better but slides off the side of the screen in my last post.

Jenny - posted on 01/30/2011

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We are entering a stage of widespread mechanization of jobs as well. They even have machines that can self replicate. It is astonishing to watch.

What do we do when machines replace our means of accessing food and shelter?

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I'm watching it piece by piece 3 hours free time doesn't exist to me :S , as soon as im completely done, i will post my thoughts :)

Jenny - posted on 01/29/2011

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In our Grandparents generation they were able to acheive that lifestyle with one person working.

So how many have watched the movie? Please post your thoughts here when you do.

Isobel - posted on 01/28/2011

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middle class is considered half way between the rich and the poor...and like I said earlier it's defined more by what you can do WITH your money...own a house, a car, a vacation every year, University for all your children, and retiring in comfort.

Isobel - posted on 01/28/2011

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that may be what the "average" person makes...but it's nowhere close to middle class

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between 25k and 100k

in school? through society? im looking on the canadian revenue agency website now...its all different from my understanding when i was in school...i guess inflation rates increased the dollar amounts upper middle and lower class are classified as now..

Isobel - posted on 01/28/2011

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yup...by the way...this is, without a doubt, THE best political debate that I have EVER witnessed on com.

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the middle class make 25,000 to 100,000$$ making 25,000 is not enough to vacation, pay for education and you still live paycheck to paycheck..



tax brackets defines middle class differently than you.

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the poor didnt make it on to the pyramid...they only exist to scare the crap out of the middle class..

Isobel - posted on 01/28/2011

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nope...the middle class eats for the poor...that's the poor holding everybody up

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every spiritual leader and philosopher that i have researched preaches to live this way.

The best way to find yourself is to lose yourself in the service of others.
Earth provides enough to satisfy every man’s need, but not every man’s greed. Mahatma Gandhi

There is no delight in owning anything unshared.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

Teach this triple truth to all: A generous heart, kind speech, and a life of service and compassion are the things which renew humanity.

If you light a lamp for somebody, it will also brighten your own path. Buddha

Matthew 6:19“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Just to name a few....People say they follow their word...yet people still live in poverty.

The more we hoard and save for ourselves, the less someone else has, the rich created poverty by stealing what was never theirs to take in the first place. The few overindulge, while the many suffer. Its sad and pathetic.

Kylie - posted on 01/28/2011

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I agree Marina and i hope mother nature takes back the earth, we don't deserve it.

Kylie - posted on 01/28/2011

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I watched the first half of moving forward the other night, and I'm watching the rest today. I think EVERYBODY needs to see this film. I loved the quote at the start “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.” - Margaret Mead
As it stands ...money is the root of all evil. The governments are controlled by corporations and banks that are only looking out for their profits and exploiting people and our earth. They are making problems to make profits because of this addiction to the all mighty dollar, it's sick and twisted.
I'm certainly not sick of hearing about it. I'm sick of the mindless cycle and this selfish culture we are entrenched in.
The earth has everything; all the abundance every human on it could ever need to live a healthy, happy life but it is being destroyed. Greed and working to have the best, most and more than our neighbor is encouraged and it’s our human nature being manipulated and used against us. The balance is out and I’m scared the scales have tipped way past the point of no return. I hope there is talk of hope and steps for action in the second part of the film

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its not reality, too many greedy lazy evil people exist. they ruin the world for everyone. Thats our point, we all should ban together to make a better life for everyone on the planet, instead of being out for ourselves.



Just imagine a world where no one struggles to survive, everyone does their part and everyone is looked after. EVERYONE. It is the perfect idea.

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Mother Nature will kill us all. No need to worry, she is the mother of all mothers, and we are starting to tick her off.

Jackie - posted on 01/28/2011

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See, I don't think so. I think it's great idea but I don't think it's reality. It wouldn't be just people offering up their labor free of cost. The upkeep of the facilities would include, but not limited to, the fabrication of the building, the parts, ect.. as well as transportation to move said parts from point A to point B, and don't forget the manufacturers of the packaging that's needed to protect those things in transit. That's a shit load of people and manpower and overhead to consider.

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it wouldnt be working for free..it would be working to meet the needs of everyone. If everyone had that mindset, the world would be a better place. If we all work and do our own part, and all have a roof over our heads, power, food and water etc i think people would go for that, its the rich that would have a hard time with that. Giving up the free ride..

Jackie - posted on 01/28/2011

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The energy is free, yes but the manpower isn't and the upkeep of the facilities aren't. Nobody will work for free.

Lady Heather - posted on 01/28/2011

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There are definitely things we could do. You know what would help? If things just didn't stop working after a couple of years. Like how come my toaster oven from 1977 (parents' wedding gift) took 30 years to die, but my $90 Cuisinart kettle that I received as a wedding gift barely made it past the third anniversary? Don't tell me they can't make things to last longer than that.

It's really hard to get to the root of the problem though. I guess maybe the movie will clear some things up for me. It's just such a twisted problem. We haven't been living in the best way for a long time. Probably been slowly killing the planet since we invented agriculture. And we've created this situation where there are so many people because we could feed so many people, but suddenly we're finding we can't anymore. Well, we can. But we use all this horribly unsustainable farming practices to do it. Gah. I just don't like thinking about it. Want to put my blinders on. I know that doesn't solve anything though.

Jenny - posted on 01/28/2011

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It is depressing but we it is reality and if enough of us care, we CAN change it. We don't have to accept the shit deal a monetary system provides.

Computers could be sustainable if they were built without a profit motive. This is planned obsolesance, they are built to intentionally break down. Another example is cell phones, why do they all have different cord inputs? Why aren't they all waterproof? Your right about smalled groups of people being more efficient. We need to inventory our resources and figure out ways to distribute them more effectively, like not shipping raw material overseas just to ship back crap we don't need.

I was hoping this topic would start up these sorts of discussions.

Lady Heather - posted on 01/28/2011

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I will try and watch it, but honestly I just find even thinking about this stuff so depressing because very few people seem to care. And all this stuff we have now - like here we are all typing on computers. Computers aren't sustainable. Unfortunately it seems like the only way to really save the planet is to reverse history and live in small, nomadic groups with no electricity and no things to buy and no medicine to keep people alive and blah blah blah. No matter what we try to do now, we are just delaying the inevitable.

Of course that doesn't mean we shouldn't do all we can to make sure that the people on this planet are happy and cared for. This is just where my brain starts going when I think about this stuff and it hurts to think this way.

Jenny - posted on 01/28/2011

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The head of the Vancouver chapter is being interviewed on Cfox (a popular rock radio station) right now. I am very impressed with how well spoken he is and the hosts are taking the topic seriously. The new movie is up to just under 700K views since it's release Wednesday morning.

I am so happy to see this being discussed in the mainstream.

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i am going to watch the movie, its right up my ally, too late to start it tonight, i will get back to it tomorrow :D

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it is, its the web of LIFE i thought humans were on that too....LOL
everyone should stop fighting and share, put down the boarders, stop looking at profit, and just..be nice

Jenny - posted on 01/27/2011

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And we have abundance already. We have the resources NOW to take care of every single person on Earth but we choose to put them towards killing each other, profiting off each other's misery and keeping poor people out of gated communities. We seperate ourselves and compartmentalize each other. Well I don't believe we fit in neat little boxes. There are no American problems or women's problems or Middle Eastern problem. There are only human problems. We are all connected and that's not hippie talk, it is real.

Have you watched the movie? It is VERY thourough about what is wrong and what we need to do about it.

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I cannot wait for this to come out on DVD (if it's not) I want to watch it when I have a minute. I loved the other 2, they make so much sense.

I know you're sick of hearing this and probably tune it out but our planet is being drained of resources and we are severly polluting what's left in the search of them. We are finding pharmacueticals in our drinking water and species are dying off forever altering the web of life.
Amen sister.

I like the monopoly analogy a lot.

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everyone should be nice and share....we dont need all this shit we call luxury...we do not own anything, yet people fight over property, everything on the planet is meant for all of us to share, not for few to hoard while the rest struggle, what we take from the earth is suppose to be replenished....i dont believe in the bible, but it says right in it, be fruitful, multiply and REPLENISH THE EARTH..they new it back then....why not now??? ..bunch of assholes...stealing nature

the government sucks, money sucks, and so do the people caught up in the race.....good thing is people are opening their eyes and realizing...its no fun being a corporate slave..

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