Why Vaccinations are important...

Sara - posted on 04/05/2010 ( 73 moms have responded )

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I know there's a lot of debate about vaccinating children, but this news story highlights for me why vaccination is so important.

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Measl...

METRO VANCOUVER -- A number of Lower Mainland residents have gone to hospitals with measles virus symptoms in the past month, public health officials said Tuesday.

"Several have been hospitalized and more assessed in emergency rooms or by their primary-care physician," said public health official Dr. Monika Naus, without being specific about the number and location of hospitals where cases were treated.

Eight of the 14 cases of measles in the Lower Mainland are associated with one household of unvaccinated family members who were exposed by out-of-country visitors, the BC Centre for Disease Control (BCCDC) reported Tuesday. A 15th case has been identified in the B.C. Interior, in an individual who returned home from India.

None of the 10 lab-confirmed and four suspect cases have been among people who had two doses of vaccine, which is needed for full protection. Of the cases so far, some of the individuals were not immunized, some had partial vaccination history and others did not know their status.

Although measles is considered highly infectious, public health officials believe the risk to the general population during the current outbreak is low because 76 per cent of B.C. children have received two doses of the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine. The first dose is given after the first birthday and the second dose at about 18 months of age.

Naus, medical director of immunization programs at the BCCDC, said it's difficult to know how the earliest cases began but two genetic types have been identified from the cases so far, indicating separate importations.

"The early ones are the H1 genotype, which currently originate in the Western Pacific region. The later one is D8, which is active in India and elsewhere," she said.

As to how the B.C. residents became infected, she said: "We don't know how they became infected but suspect that they were infected by visitors to Vancouver from out of country."

Measles rates in North America and Western Europe are extremely low while elsewhere they are higher.

"We will likely never know who the sources of the measles infections were; they're likely long gone," Naus said in an e-mail message.

The cases circulating in B.C. show the effect of international travel patterns on infectious disease outbreaks.

These cases show that with global travel, even a vaccine-preventable disease "is only an airplane ride away," Naus said.

The symptoms of measles (also known as red measles) include fever, rash and cold-like effects. It can lead to ear infection or pneumonia. More serious complications, occurring in one in 1,000 cases, include inflammation of the brain (encephalitis) that could lead to convulsions, deafness or permanent brain damage.

One person in 3,000 dies from complications.

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Johnny - posted on 04/06/2010

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Glad to hear that your kids are far from mine Jessica ;-P

But seriously, please keep in mind that this is primarily a debating community, not a "support" community, unless someone starts a thread specifically requesting advice or support as opposed to debate. You are very entitled to your opinions and please voice them freely. But in a debating community you can not expect that people will not argue with your perspective. That is why we are here. It is true that on many subjects there is quite a bit of agreement amongst the members, but those that disagree with the crowd are welcome and encouraged to express their viewpoints. You need to expect to be challenged here, and if you stick around you might be surprised to find that while on one thread you have a vehement disagreement with one person, and on the next thread you both happen to be on the same side.

Jodi - posted on 04/09/2010

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I have a friend who is dying of breast cancer. For many years, she has fought this disease, including bone marrow transplants, chemotherapy, you name it. Unfortunately, she is now in a hospice receiving palliative care. She has two young boys, one of whom is my son's best friend. If my son wasn't immunised, he would not be allowed anywhere near that family, and I totally understand. The slightest thing could kill her, and she deserves to have a little more time with her boys. So I am with Kate. It is really important to know that certain people are immunised or not. I think, until we have seen this type of situation, it really never occurs to us how VERY important immunisation is in the lives of others, even if not for yourself personally.

And yes, even as an adult, I am up to date on all my vaccinations, so its not just about the kids. And now that my husband has been diagnosed with diabetes, I have realised how important flu shots are around here - because if he gets sick, it can take a lot longer to get better, and he is also higher risk for complications because blood sugar levels can be very fickle.

Kate CP - posted on 04/08/2010

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This is why I vaccinate and do my best to stay away from unvaccinated families. I have an immune disorder so I get sick very easily. If I find out a family doesn't vaccinate then my daughter doesn't play with that child any more. Harsh? Yea, but I don't want to die. Yes, I was vaccinated as a child but now that I'm an adult and some of my immunity may have warn off it's dangerous for me to get vaccinated again. I have to be very careful about vaccines and usually have to undergo IV medication to produce more white cells so I can handle the vaccine.

And before any body says it (because it drives me FRICKIN NUTS) **NO** you CANNOT boost white cell production (boost your immune system) by nursing or taking herbs or vitamins. Not possible. Can't happen. Doesn't work. Trust me, I've tried it.

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I have resisted this debate for long enough because I see how quickly these topics turn into slanging matches with the minority being attacked rather than debated with. But, I can hold my tongue no longer. So here goes...

Most parents who don't vaccinate their children are not irresponsible or using poor judgement, rather they have usually taken a great deal of time and effort to research the issue and weigh pros and cons before embarking on this decision. This is responsible parenting because they understand the issue and are well informed about the risks and benefits rather than just vaccinating because that is the norm or what is recommended. Most parents who don't vaccinate usually take some precautions and preventative measures to protect their children's health as well as the health of others that they come into contact with, they know that there are options such as homeopathic vaccinations that offer protection without the harmful properties of regular vaccinations, they know there are natural ways to boost their child's immune system, they know that when their child is at risk of being infected or at risk of infecting others they need to be careful to contain that risk as best they can.

How many parents that vaccinate know which vaccines actually contain live viruses and yet allow their recently vaccinated child to be around others at risk (younger children, immunocompromised people, unvaccinated people)? How many know that getting vaccinations or boosters do not actually mean being immune, that you have to actually effectively seroconvert the vaccine to create high enough levels of antibodies to be immune to the disease. How many know that by giving tylenol/panadol before and after vaccinations this is preventing the bodies natural immune response (eg: slight fever) to the vaccine and results in fewer antibodies being produced therefore lower immunity. How many know that for 'herd immunity' to be effective each immunised person must have certain levels of antibodies for it to be communally protective; any less means that regardless of the number of immunised people, if their serum antibody levels are too low then the disease can still propagate? How many know which of the 'vaccine-preventable' diseases this specifically applies to?

How many know what the specific ingredients are in each of the vaccines their children are getting, whether their child may have an allergy to egg, or gelatine, or porcine or bovine serum or the other animal products that are used in the manufacture of vaccines or whether any of these manufacturing ingredients (ie: human diploid cells from aborted foetuses) contravenes personal, religious or philosophical concerns regarding use of certain products? How many parents know that there are many different forms of each vaccine made by different pharmaceutical companies that contain different ingredients? How many parents are aware of pharmaceutical companies that are subsidised by their country's governments to provide access to their patented vaccines yet deny other countries access to these lifesaving drugs because they cannot afford to pay for them.

Yes, not vaccinating your children without valid reasons or substantial supporting information can be irresponsible, but doesn't that mean that vaccinating your children without valid reason or substantiating evidence can also be deemed irresponsible? I am a registered nurse, I don't vaccinate my child for a number of reasons, including family history of adverse reactions to vaccinations, poor personal history of seroconversion of vaccines, as well personal and philosophical objections to vaccinations. My decision is based in research and medical knowledge, it is a well-informed choice, I have the support of my family doctor and of the midwife who cared for me all through pregnancy, birth and postnatal care. I am not irresponsible, I do feel that I am fully accountable for my actions and decisions. As a nurse I have given many vaccinations (and received a few) and I am not opposed to the theory of vaccinations, or to others choice to vaccinate. I am opposed to ignorance and intolerance and unfortunately due to the culture of fear that surrounds and dominates controversial topics like this, ignorance and intolerance often rear their ugly heads in these debates. It is such a shame because often people in the 'minority' can actually contribute valuable information to such topics but tend to keep it to themselves out of fear of negative reprisals and this is to the detriment of society as a whole, because when we stop learning, we stop growing.

I am not not saying that the choice to vaccinate is wrong, nor am I saying that all parents who vaccinate do so blindly, I am sure (at least I hope) that most parents have at least a basic understanding of the risks involved in vaccinating their children and have weighed that up against the benefits before making that choice for their individual circumstances. I do not strive to change any ones opinion on the topic, I just wish to support those who hold a view similar to mine and to contribute to the debate in a productive manner. I wish the best of health to everyone.

Sara - posted on 04/05/2010

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That's true, but what I find annoying is that too many anti-vaccination advocates seem to think it's a choice that only affects them and their family, when it's not. I know that people who chose not to vaccinate are doing what they feel is best for their families, and it's out of love and concern that they make the choices they do. I just want them to admit that they aren't only putting their child at risk, but other people's children as well. I think that's a fact.

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Abby - posted on 05/15/2010

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hi cathy, im rarely on my comp, im doing a law crs now, so all time is there sadly.
dana, he's 20 months(or was at the time) im from the uk where are u? when it first came out they did have to have 2, but speaking to my mum(who's a paediatric nurse who does vax and things) and it was fnd that one was more than enough. but not for egg free ones. it may e different in different countries or counties, but that's how it was here.
and cam's only had to be 3 weeks apart. xx

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@Abby... how old is ur son? My daughter got the swine flu jab at 18 months because we were travelling out of the country
( otherwise I probably wouldn't have chosen to get it ) and she had to get 2 jabs a month apart BUT she doesn't have an egg allergy? I was under the impression that all children HAD to have it in two smaller doses?

ME - posted on 05/14/2010

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I did my research, talked to several pediatricians, and some family friends who are nurses and docs. I decided to vaccinate my kids. They do not get the flu vax tho, and no swine flu vax either...

Abby - posted on 05/14/2010

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i am completely pro vax. i completely agree with the herd immunity thingy, and my son has had all his jabs and is up to date. it's slightly more difficult cos he has an egg allergy, just means sometimes he has to have different vaccines. like with the swine flu he had to have 2 rather than one. we both caught flu last winter and he was so poorly, that it really reminded me exactly why i get his jabs done.
im grateful that we have the opportunity to vaccinate out children. some people dont.

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That reminds me.....the first case of the measles just showed up where I live yesterday! I'm certainly glad Roxanne is vaccinated!

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I always thought myself that people who didnt vaccine ought to have their heads read until the swine flu jab came along. I refused to have my son vaccinated as i just didnt trust the vaccine. My kids have had all their other vaccinations except that one. I honestly believe now its the parents choice to vaccinate or not. My best friends children have never had their mmr jabs and as far as im concerned thats her business no one elses.

Brooke - posted on 05/13/2010

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VERY VERY VERY pro vaccine! With good reason too. Tons of research and conversation with professionals who know their stuff went into our decision and we couldn't be happier. =)

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Hell yes I vaccinate my child! And yes, I am 100% fully updated on my own boosters and my husband is as well! We are 4 hours from the Mexican border and as a public school teacher, I am going to do everything in my power to protect myself and my family! What a silly no-brainer as a parent. Why wouldn't I protect my family? I can't tell you how many students have come and gone in my classroom over the past 10 years that were not up to date on shots due to financial reasons and could not afford to visit the doctor, or even ignorant parents to care about maintaining appointments. Kids are resilient and tend to bounce back after an illness. But to expose that to an adult? Potential for disaster! Federal law mandates that school age children DO NOT have to be vaccinated as long as there is a letter on record citing personal health beleifs from a doctor or religious reasons from a clergy. This law went into effect in the late 1990's but the practice of unvaxed kids started long before. Now we are seeing the generation of unvaxed kids scrambling to actually get vaccinations in order to apply to college. The reason being that most colleges have many international students and everyone is required to be updated on shots. I agree that it is a parent's right to raise their child as they see fit, and if they chose to not vax their child then so be it. I chose to not allow my child to be exposed to your child if I can possibly help it. I am certain he is already been exposed to unvaxed kids but if I knowingly am aware, I will not endanger my son.

Lindsay - posted on 04/09/2010

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Oh and for those of you that don't know...this is in Western Kentucky.

Lindsay - posted on 04/09/2010

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The middle of nowhere USA case is alive and well. As I was watching my local news a few minutes ago they said that there is now a confirmed case of measles in my county. The child in the confirmed case has not been vaccinated. They are waiting now to see how many more cases come out of this....

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Amanda said:

All it took was ONE none vaccinated family to infect 8 out of 14 people SO FAR. I am sure the other 5 people came in contact through shopping carts, sneezing by someone infected walking by. This can happen any where, even middle of nowhere USA.


I said:

I think that whole "This can happen any where, even middle of nowhere USA." argument is pointless. Anything can happen anywhere, even middle of nowhere USA.

Car accident, lightning, getting stabbed, mugged, raped, beaten... to call it irresponsible to not immunize your kids cause they might get sneezed on is so.. redundant... unless you're living in a bubble and you don't take the chances that can lead to the countless things that can happen anywhere, THEN you call it irresponsible.




I think that the argument for getting vaccines cause "anything can happen anywhere, even middle of nowhere USA" is just as pointless as saying all those other things can happen "anywhere, even middle of nowhere USA". It's a BS reason TO vaccinate because someone may sneeze in your face - and it's a BS reason to NOT vaccinate because the chances of someone sneezing in your face isn't all that likely because 'I take precautions'. Both arguments are redundant and bullshit.

Dana - posted on 04/08/2010

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Jo, just for clarification, I keep getting confused by you saying the theory about "anywhere USA is bullshit and redundant. What makes it bullshit and what makes it redundant?

Anywhere USA is just a saying used in the US meaning it can happen anywhere you live in the US, no matter if you live in a big city or a town with 200 people.

Jackie - posted on 04/08/2010

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I always have and always will firmly believe 100% in both fully vaccinating, and vaccinating on schedule.

Jessica - posted on 04/08/2010

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Thank you for answering Cathy. Jess, the answer is I don't know. If it turned out the the only variable in the equation was my childs lack of immunization then yes I would take some responsiblity but I can't control how people care for their kids. Like Cathy said just because a child is immunized doesn't mean that they can't be a carrier of something. So if my child catches chicken pox from an immunized child and then gives it to someone else, how is that my childs fault? My children attended daycare and there have been kids that were immunized that got the chicken pox and honestly I would have loved for mine to get it but they escaped unscathed. Now if one of those children would have had complications would I have been to blame even though my children were obviously unsypmtomatic?

Amanda - posted on 04/08/2010

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Yes I would also like to say I am not against delayed vaccines, or if a child has a health condition that will not allow them to get vaccinated ie heart, lungs, allergies, and so on. Those children, are the reason why healthy children should be vaccinated! Like Krista said earlier, we need herd vaccination, to protect those who cant be vaccincated due to medical reasons.

Amanda - posted on 04/08/2010

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Sorry Cathy you are right I did totally misread your post!



My god 250 already ill children exposed to something that could only make them sicker, because ONE family would not vaccinate their children.



And yes the statement "it could happen even in the middle of no where usa" is very true. Just because it hasnt happened in your town does not mean it wont. Comparing driving, walking, mugging being raped to chosing to vaccinate is insane! It amazes me how off the wall some people can get when trying to defend a choice, instead of taking responsiblity for their actions.



It is not irrespsonible to drive, it is irresponsible to drive while drunk, on drugs, overly tired, or when talking on a cell phone. Do I do those things? NO. Of course I walk in the sidewalk, of course I go outside, in no way do these actions make me irresponsible. Clearly we are having an issue with definding a word so let me help you out.



Irresponsible - Meaning "not acting with a sense of responsibility"

Responsible - answerable or accountable, as for something within one's power, control, or management



You can not control any of the things you posted to prove I am irresponsible, but you sure can control your childs health, this in turn makes you irrsponsible if you choose to not get your child vaccinated, therefore my statement is not redundant (though it wasnt redundant in your example either).



As for being rude, thats just a matter of opinon, and not fact. :0)

Jess - posted on 04/08/2010

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Jessica you still haven't really answered my question though. If your children gave my baby a dieses that KILLED her, would you take full responsibility for YOUR actions ? Its stops being your personal choice when you endager other people's children. This is a no brainer. See Dana this is how you start a debate ;)

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i agree with amanda. it takes one person to show up in an area and take something with them. like diseases that are no longer here, yes they arent here but guess what? one person brings it and there you go now it is. you get vacationers and everything, so saying somethings not in your area really isnt a good debate as to why not to do it. swine flu wasnt in alot of areas and look what happened.

Johnny - posted on 04/07/2010

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Tonight on our evening Vancouver news hour, the lead story was that now 250 children at our local Children's Hospital have been exposed to this measles outbreak when a 6 year old child with the measles was brought into the ER and the doctors & nurses were not notified at Triage. I personally hope that the parents of any child too young to have received their MMR and who come down with the measles sue those parents for every cent. I used to be more on the fence on this issue, and even followed a slightly altered vaccine schedule with my daughter. This has opened my eyes to just how suddenly the winds can change. If I thought all parents who choose not to vaccinate their children were cautious and respectful of other children's health, I might have more patience. But I've seen quite a bit of evidence in the last couple years with our local outbreaks, that although a few parents may be, many are not. Why do I have to continue to trust that other parents have my child's best interests at heart?

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I think that whole "This can happen any where, even middle of nowhere USA." argument is pointless. Anything can happen anywhere, even middle of nowhere USA.

Car accident, lightning, getting stabbed, mugged, raped, beaten... to call it irresponsible to not immunize your kids cause they might get sneezed on is so.. redundant... unless you're living in a bubble and you don't take the chances that can lead to the countless things that can happen anywhere, THEN you call it irresponsible.

Do you drive? Well that's irresponsible, you could get in a car accident. Do you walk on the sidewalk? Well that's irresponsible, you could get hit by a car. Do you go outside, at all, ever? Cause there's a whole variety of things that could happen to you just standing outside that are just as likely as getting the measels cause someone sneezed in your general direction.

That response was very rude Amanda.

Amanda - posted on 04/07/2010

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First my whole family are up to date on their vaccines (adults and children). These debates drive me NUTS! First off all you mothers who think your child is safe because no one is near them that are sick... most of these illiness's are contagious LONG before any symptom shows up! Once your child has symptoms its to late, everyone you have visited, every grocery store, and mall you have gone to in the last 2 weeks are now infected.



All it took was ONE none vaccinated family to infect 8 out of 14 people SO FAR. I am sure the other 5 people came in contact through shopping carts, sneezing by someone infected walking by. This can happen any where, even middle of nowhere USA.



(1) . Nearly one million measles deaths still occur annually in children worldwide



Convulsions from fevers can happen at any time Cathy, the MMR causes fevers in only 5%-15% of children which of course puts them at risk for febrile convulsions but does not mean they will actually do that. Measles are a major cause of febrile convulsions!!



It is irrespsonbile not to vaccinate your children, and teach them the responsiblity of keepin their vaccinces up to date onto adulthood. You are endangering the general public, no matter what excuses you use to defend your poor judgement.

Jessica - posted on 04/07/2010

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I didn't say I didn't care about how others are affected but in the grand scheme of things my children are nothing to worry about. No one in my family travels to foreign countries and if we were in an area where certain diseases were prevalant I might rethink my decision. I guess what I want others to understand is that like every other parent I make decisions that I feel are in the best interest of my children and if so far everything has been fine. We had a small outbreak of the swine flu at my chldrens school and they didn't even get the sniffles. I am not a crazy lady with my head in the sand like I said previously my parents are both doctors and they have helped me researched and have interpretted info that was confusing to me.

I do apologize for my rant and I understand that this is a debating forum which I have had some great debates with the moms here, I just started noticing a disturbing trend on how the debates turned into 1 or 2 against many. It could also have been the debates I chose were just more contraversial than others.

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i know in alot of states you can get in troble for not vaccinating if your child gets another sick, yiu can get a huge lawsuit and will get in trouble and possibly lose your kids for neglect and endangering the child and from where they got another kid a disease. doctors say its a choice yes bc they arent the ones dealing with those consequences.

Jess - posted on 04/07/2010

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Jessica I just want to check, If one of your older children were to catch a nasty dieses, would you be willing to held accountable for any babies that die because of your descion ? You have acknowledged that your risking other people's children but it appears you don't care ? To me its the same as saying, " I know speeding through a school zone is dangerous, but I'm going to do it anyway"

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jessica i agree, i am in another group and a girl asked about bottle feeding and wanted stories from breast feeding moms and bottle feeding moms and why we chose what we did or why we couldnt and one mom on there just bullied everyone basically said i was wrong in bottle feeding and didnt research and that shes ashamed we didnt all take herbal stuff to help us breast feed. i think its low life when someone cant back something up so they get into personal attacks. that usually means that they have nothing and just want to start a huge fight. i dont mind debating and i will always be the one with a different oppinion to keep stuff different but i hate when people just assume things and use false info in a debate. thats one think i cant stand. if you want to debate fine but have valid points and be able to back stuff up.

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I'll add to what Carol said by saying that the people who are called ignorant, Jesus freak or bad mothers, (and even though I've only ever seen 1 mother be called a horrible mother) is because they come into the "debate" with the mind frame that everyone should agree with them. They don't bring facts and real reasons, they bring an opinion and an bad attitude behind their opinion.

You particularly, Jessica, have always been respectful and intelligent in your posts that I can remember. And I have never once seen you attacked or called any of those things. I'm unsure why you would assume the attitude you described would be directed at you just because you're presenting another opinion, respectfully.

Jessica - posted on 04/06/2010

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My kids are not immunized and autism has nothing to do with it. I have very healthy children and none of my older ones has ever brought anything home that killed my little ones. I'm tired of people thinking that just because we choose not to vaccinate we are ignorant and we're going to infect everyone we come into contact with. How many adults are completely up to date with their boosters? I know my choices affect others as well but short of locking all of our children in bubbles they're going to be exposed to all kinds of stuff. My parents are doctors and support me 100% in my decision.

I think what has more upset than anything else is that I used to come on here and have great debates and now I avoid COMs and DMs like the plague because I have noticed that with the exception of a few people everyone generally has the same views on things and if you don't heaven help you because you are ignorant or a Jesus freak or a terrible mother.

I'm not attacking anyone and I know I will piss some people off and I am sorry but I used to really enjoy coming here, I was able to learn from others and help people out once and a while. Sorry for the rant.

Oh I live in Tulsa, OK so I think all your healthy children are safe from my disease ridden ones.

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where i live we had to pay. some got it free depending on where you went. but i know how all that worked and why it was made into such a big deal.

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i dont know about how canada works but in the US i know thats what they did. it was all hype here. the government here blew it way out of proportion. and now why is it not a big deal? bc they got their money. they needed money and some places charged over 200.00 for a vaccination. people paid. now its no longer a big deal.

Lindsay - posted on 04/06/2010

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The H1N1 was actually given to everyone in the US with no out of pocket money. I know everyone did pay for it in taxes because they were given by the government but it wasn't a big money making scheme. It was tax money that's already being paid in with or without it.

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So what about Canadians Christin? We don't have to pay for our vaccines! Is it really a scandal? I do agree with what you said about the ' swine flu ' being no more dangerous than the regular flu but I don't think the government is trying to pull the wool over our eyes......they're giving us facts and expecting us to make responsible decisions! That's all!

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H1N1 i agree is unnecessary. it was basically a scandal to get more money since the govt is running out. they know people will all flock and pay to get one. yes there is the swine flu but its far less dangerous than regualr flu. it just spreads faster.

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I am not fully for or against vaccinations. I believe in the benefits of medicine, but feel that society in general places too much emphasis on popping a pill for everything. My daughter has received certain vaccinations on a somewhat spread schedule, will not receive certain ones at all, and will not receive the rest until she starts school (she is not going to be in daycare). I keep her away from sick people and keep her away from others when she is sick. She has only had one cold and one stomach bug in 14 months so it hasn't been an issue. Both Dad and I work in places where we are exposed to biohazards and waste products so we shower and take our clothes directly to the wash after work before we go around our kids. If there was a severe outbreak I might reconsider some of the shots that I am delaying (MMR and Hep A), but shots such as the flu, H1N1, and varicella are unnecessary for my family in my opinion.

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most people choose to not do it bc they say it causes autism or something, no it doesnt. its been proven theres no link between autism and vaccines. they dont get that their child can get something and give it to another kid. theres a stomache virus found in babies. its easy to get and hard to get rid of. it makes them very sick with the runs and can come from your own house, they give them an oral medicine for it when they get vaccinated here and people still find it pointless. so i tell them if they want their kid to get sick more power to them, the ones who do get it wont be the one with a sick baby. like hep b they get at birth,. hep b is so easy to pick up. you can get it from sharing a drink. well if they dont vaccinate then that kid is at a risk for hep b. people cant come up with a good debate over not doing it. they use false info and cant justify it. in alot of states its illegal to not vaccinate and if the kid gets another kid sick or something or gives it something then theres a lawsuit fot the parent who didnt vaccinatate and cps can get involved for child neglect. people say their dr sais its their choice and will support them. of course bc if your kid gets sick bc you dont vaccinate thats money in their pockets and they arent the ones who care or have to deal with whatever happens bc you dont do it. dr.s dont care what you do.

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Both my children have been vaccinated against everything including swine flu, they have never had any reactions to any of them.

Cathy S, in the UK, the nurses won't vaccinate if your child is sick so rebooking is a good idea.

When I was a baby I had had my first shot of MMR and wasn't quite old enough for the second and although we didn't live in an area where any of these deseases were overly active and I caught rubella off of an unvaccinated child and as far as I'm aware I was very sick, quarantined and I almost died, thankfully there was no lasting problems and I'm fine now but it can be so dangerous for parents not to vaccinate.

Charlie - posted on 04/05/2010

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Agreed , there was no question as to whether i would vaccinate Cooper or not !

Dana - posted on 04/05/2010

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It is crazy. It does seems like most of the people who think that way don't realize that their child is a threat to other children. Their reply is always "well if your child is vaccinated what do you care". It's like their brain can not comprehend past initial thought.

Jess - posted on 04/05/2010

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Dana Im very pleased little Ethan is all up to date ! It makes me really upset when people risk their children's lives due to simple stupidity. I got into a full debate here on COM in another community regarding Immunisation. One women saying she would never have her daughter immunised. I told her she better not bring her child near mine becuase heaven help her if her daughter infects my innocent baby with something ! People forget that their germ infested 5 year old can give a newborn baby a deadly dieses that they are simply too young to be vaccinated from.... those parents should be held accountable for the innocent life they have taken !

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Okay, I can't take it. I tried to play the other side to get a debate going but I can't take the fact that people may think that's the real me. I think it's important for everyone to vaccinate their kids, my son is up to date on all his shots including both MMR shots. ;)

Caitlin - posted on 04/05/2010

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I never had any second thoughts about vaccinations. My daughter will both get all reccomended vaccines. My oldest daughter can't get the flu shot, but that doesn't concern me much, i'll keep a close eye on her around that time of year.

If either of my baby girls got something serious from some older kid who wasn't vaccinated, i'd be on the warpath! Some things so easily prevented shouldn't be left to chance.

Lindsay - posted on 04/05/2010

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This is a great article, Sara! It's just one example of why this issue is so much more than a personal decision. I mean, ultimately it is, but people do need to be aware that when they choose not to get these for their children, it's not only their children they are putting at risk. It was a no brainer for me to get the kids their vaccinations. The other option just didn't seem worth it.

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Of course it was the Olympics! All those people, some already carriers, some with less than stellar hygiene habits, ick...

And Dana, not all mini outbreaks make the news. If my kids hadn't been going to that day care or their school... I wouldn't have known. They tell the parents involved and some news travels through the grape vine but it's not always reliable either.

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There's an outbreak of whooping cough here in the kootenay boundary area. At Gabe's last immunization appointment they offered the vax for whooping cough early so that he was protected. Me on the other hand, I'm allergic to the whooping cough vaccination. I can't get it, I've ended up in hospital twice because of the vaccination -- the first time when I was a baby and they first gave it to me and again when I was 4 and they thought I might have 'outgrown' the reaction - I hadn't. But my son is vaccinated for it, so even if I CAN'T be, I know he is protected.

Krista - posted on 04/05/2010

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If people don't want to vaccinate their kids, that is their choice. But I would hope that they would be smart enough to quarantine the whole family if one of them does get sick.



These diseases are nothing to joke about, that's for certain. My stepmom thought that all of her vaccines were up-to-date when she got pregnant, but it turns out that she was way overdue for her MMR booster. Well, in her first trimester, she got rubella.



My brother is profoundly deaf because of this.



If she'd been vaccinated, this wouldn't have happened.



And maybe if more people had been vaccinated, rubella wouldn't have been going around to begin with.

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