Why we need healthcare reform ...

Esther - posted on 09/18/2009 ( 33 moms have responded )

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So we can get these people off the streets and into the mental health facilities they so desperately need

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JL - posted on 09/19/2009

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Well I am an AMERICAN and I do not own any guns, I do not belong to any organized religion, I do not follow or thump the bible, and I am far from being ignorant. I do not generalize or hold up stereotypes about anyone because of thier nationality. Yes...these people in the clip are friggin nut jobs who need to be forced into a political science class and an American history course and then prescribed a healthy dose of prozac, but they are the few not the many. Just because these people are raving overzealot ignorant isolationists that does not mean the rest of us in America are. I watch international news coverage all the time and if I was basing my opinion of people from other countries on snippets of extermists on the news then I would believe that most Germans were still Nazi's, that most Australians were racist towards Abiroginals, that all the British treated Indians like pieces of crap, and that Canadians knew nothing but how to play hockey and are all blindly anti-American. Let's get real. I understand the point being made but it was insulting to those who do not fall into the CRAZY category.

Mary - posted on 09/19/2009

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Quoting Lisa:

I am sorry to all of the intelligent, thoughtful and sane Americans out there. But this is what the rest of the world thinks of when they think of America - masses of ignorant, insane and ludicrous americans protesting in the street. Poor things.



Esther, I'm sorry for this, but I feel compelled to respond...





Lisa, I agree that this clip displays a lunatic fringe that exists in the American population, but quite frankly, I found your comment to be condescending, insulting, and ignorant.  I sincerely hope (and highly doubt) that this is how the rest of the world views my country.  Yes, I am sure that there are other judgemental people like yourself that assume that all Americans are like this, just as there are Americans who assume that all Iraqis are religious fanatics or suicide bombers.  I think it's fairly obvious that these assumptions are both false and uneducated.



 



I do not support nor agree with the wackos shown in this clip, but I am intelligent enough to realize that this shows only a small percentage of my country's citizens, and is not reflective of our country's mindset as a whole.  I think the fact that Obama was elected by the majority of Americans proves this.  Yes, these nut jobs exist, but I'm sure that almost every country in this world has it's collection of extremists.  Assuming that this small clip represents the thinking of all Americans would be as idiotic as assuming that your opinion is representative of the way that all Canadians view Americans.  I, for one, have enough respect for my northern neighbors to believe they are more enlightened than that.



I urge you to be more careful, thoughtful, and respectful of me, and other Americans on this forum when making such condescending generalizations.

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Quoting Lisa:

oh, please, here we go again. Americans have the biggest blind spot - how many Americans visualize Canada as a big chunk of ice where everyone lives in igloos and travel by dog sled? So we happen to generalize Americans as gun-toting, bible-thumping ignoramuses who think newspapers were invented to line the catbox. Generalizations and stereotypes, my darlings. Propagated by the 5 o'clock news. And too bad, so sad you don't like my tone - I'll try downloading a soundtrack of Canadians at a hockey game next time...



Oh give me a break. Really. I have friends from all over the world, including Canadians, and I was never idiotic enough to think that Canada is "a big chunk of ice where everyone lives in igloos and travels by dog sled." I can understand why she got frustrated with your comment-I did, too. I'm so tired of hearing about how dumb and mean we Americans are. It's doubly frustrating, because I'm from the Southern part of the U.S., and even in my own country I'm constantly having to defend myself and prove that I, too, can think intellegently, can express my opinions that are based in a well-planned argument-hell, that I can even read. Why is it more ok to have an opinion of someone based on where they're from than based on race? Aren't they equally terrible, mean-spirited, and detrimental? When are we going to stop generalizing one another and thinking in one dimensional ways?

Mary - posted on 09/19/2009

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Oh, Jodi, I know...I was enraged, and mortified by those people in that clip, and I fully concede that these Americans are ignorant, self-serving fanatics. BUT...to assume that they are reflective of ALL Americans is just flat out wrong, and insulting. Perhaps it was unintentional, but the smug, condescending TONE of Lisa's comment pissed me off...as well as her summary generalization that this is how Americans are viewed across the board. Funny thing is, I would never describe myself as overly patriotic or political...but her comment really rubbed me the wrong way. That might be because I know better than to base my opinion of any country's citizens on the actions or words of a few lunatics that are outrageous enough to make the news.

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Sara - posted on 09/22/2009

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It's clear that most of these people don't even know why the hell they are protesting...I think they just use it as an excuse to protest because they're pissed that the Dems are in control in Washington...

JL - posted on 09/22/2009

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l just love the look of confusion when these people are confronted with actual facts and asked real questions.

Esther - posted on 09/22/2009

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Oooh - Found it again!! Jeannette - watch this and tell me these people are not crazy:

Esther - posted on 09/22/2009

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Jeannette - Unfortunately I can no longer find a version of that video that is still viewable - but TRUST ME, these people were not a great representation of the conservative right. It was a man ranting about black women having abortions, some teenage boy holding a sign calling Pelosi a Jezebel and saying "Obama has already destroyed the whole country - it's crazy". A woman starting to sob because she was protecting the country from the muslim Obama. Another woman (in a group of people) talking about the Czars and how she worried they would be given land, etc.

Jeannette - posted on 09/21/2009

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OMFG....it absolutely terrifies me to see visual proof of the insanity of some of my fellow "citizens". It makes me in favor of mass involuntary committments...the good news is, they can all use their 'great' private insurance to pay for it right now!

What she said!! I thought I'd check this thread, but didn't expect to contribute because health care reform in the US is not something I know anything about, but to open a thread and piss myself laughing!! That's priceless!!


I am sorry to all of the intelligent, thoughtful and sane Americans out there. But this is what the rest of the world thinks of when they think of America - masses of ignorant, insane and ludicrous americans protesting in the street. Poor things.

Nope - I read the remarks. Was it about people who protest the current reform bill?

Dana - posted on 09/21/2009

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Quoting Jeannette:

Well, well, well, nice to see hate mongering comes from all sides...I'd hate to think it would come from just the "fringe" of the right.
Could any of you bashed this group of people any more? Hold on, I am going to read about the tea party, just like I read about la raza...brb...



Jeannette, I'm wondering if you saw what this video really was about since it's not actually on here.

Dana - posted on 09/21/2009

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Quoting Jeannette:

Well, well, well, nice to see hate mongering comes from all sides...I'd hate to think it would come from just the "fringe" of the right.
Could any of you bashed this group of people any more? Hold on, I am going to read about the tea party, just like I read about la raza...brb...



Jeannette, I'm wondering if you saw what this video really was about since it's not actually on here.

Jeannette - posted on 09/21/2009

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Well, well, well, nice to see hate mongering comes from all sides...I'd hate to think it would come from just the "fringe" of the right.
Could any of you bashed this group of people any more? Hold on, I am going to read about the tea party, just like I read about la raza...brb...

Esther - posted on 09/19/2009

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Hmmm - I guess the video has been pulled from YouTube. I'll see if I can get it to work again.

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Quoting Lisa:

Ladies, I think you are getting carried away. I did preface my statement by saying "intelligent, sane and thoughtful" (although, now I'm starting to have my doubts :P) and tried to further illustrate my point by noting that we are talking about generalizations and stereotypes, albeit in a joking manner, because I was a little astonished at people taking offense. To further elucidate my point, associations are automatic and often unconscious - I see Santa Claus, I think jolly; I see Australian, I think Crocodile Dundee; I see British, I think having tea with the Queen; I see Canada, I think beer-drinking hockey players; I see America, I think large, loud people who voted for Bush TWICE (and they're usually wearing hawaiian shirts). And yes, I do believe that every single person from those places are exactly like that, with the exception of Santa Claus - I hope I don't have to point out that I am joking, but I will, just in case anyone mistook my tone. And why is it, I must ask, if you do not like what someone has to say (I admit, the picture that flashes into my brain is not always attractive, much to my chagrin, I'll try to reprogram my brain to associate America with Denzel Washington, naked...) you have to come back at them with an insult to their intelligence and world view? Luckily, I am blessed with a healthy dose of confidence and self-deprecating wit, so I will toss my blonde hair (don't get me started on that stereotype...) and trot off in a huff :P



How is it that we're the ones getting carried away when you twice insulted our entire country, first by condescending-"poor things"-and next by stereotyping-"Bible thumping, gun toting" etc.? And how is it that pointing out the prejudice in your two posts on this thread means that I'm insulting your intellegence? I just stated that I'm entirely exhausted with discrimination based on where someone's from, and that I see little to no difference between that sort of discrimination and racism. Both things generalize and stereotype many, many people into one unflattering and unfair category and underestimate scores of people.  Your posts played right into a pet peeve of mine-because I have to defend my intellegence and my home on an almost daily basis because of how idiotic people can be about where I'm from, and I'm sick of it, and I'm sick of it being treated differently than other forms of discrimination.

Dana - posted on 09/19/2009

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Too freakin funny, pathetic, and sad rolled into one.



Also, too bad this thread had to turn into another "why the world hates you". Oh, us poor, poor, things. lmao

Konda - posted on 09/19/2009

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Ok, chips for us are potato chips as in Ruffles.....and cricket is an annoying little bug that finds its way into your house and annoys the hell out of your entire family all damn night. LOL.....enjoy your fish and french-fries....and I have no clue what cricket is, other than a game.

Konda - posted on 09/19/2009

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Yes, yes, we are all ignorant and all the other crap all the other countries call us....but look at the number of people, swimming, running, climbing....and so on to get into OUR country....if these other countries were so freaking wonderful, why not go there?

Who in the world thinks people in Canada live in igloos? Not those from the US....must be those 'other' countries.

Jinglebones - posted on 09/19/2009

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Ladies, I think you are getting carried away. I did preface my statement by saying "intelligent, sane and thoughtful" (although, now I'm starting to have my doubts :P) and tried to further illustrate my point by noting that we are talking about generalizations and stereotypes, albeit in a joking manner, because I was a little astonished at people taking offense. To further elucidate my point, associations are automatic and often unconscious - I see Santa Claus, I think jolly; I see Australian, I think Crocodile Dundee; I see British, I think having tea with the Queen; I see Canada, I think beer-drinking hockey players; I see America, I think large, loud people who voted for Bush TWICE (and they're usually wearing hawaiian shirts). And yes, I do believe that every single person from those places are exactly like that, with the exception of Santa Claus - I hope I don't have to point out that I am joking, but I will, just in case anyone mistook my tone. And why is it, I must ask, if you do not like what someone has to say (I admit, the picture that flashes into my brain is not always attractive, much to my chagrin, I'll try to reprogram my brain to associate America with Denzel Washington, naked...) you have to come back at them with an insult to their intelligence and world view? Luckily, I am blessed with a healthy dose of confidence and self-deprecating wit, so I will toss my blonde hair (don't get me started on that stereotype...) and trot off in a huff :P

Mary - posted on 09/19/2009

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Lisa, I would make an argument here, but your post did it for me...

I have no preconceived notions about the people of your country, positive or negative.

And despite your best efforts, I refuse to believe that all Canadians are as small-minded, judgemental, and obnoxious as your posts on this thread make you seem.

Apparently, you share some characteristics with those 'gun-toting, bible-thumping ignoramouses'...an unfortunate habit of judging the whole based on the actions of a few.

Jinglebones - posted on 09/19/2009

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oh, please, here we go again. Americans have the biggest blind spot - how many Americans visualize Canada as a big chunk of ice where everyone lives in igloos and travel by dog sled? So we happen to generalize Americans as gun-toting, bible-thumping ignoramuses who think newspapers were invented to line the catbox. Generalizations and stereotypes, my darlings. Propagated by the 5 o'clock news. And too bad, so sad you don't like my tone - I'll try downloading a soundtrack of Canadians at a hockey game next time...

Jodi - posted on 09/19/2009

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No worries Mary. I think perhaps Lisa just expressed it the wrong way, but we'll let her elaborate on what she meant :) But I can say that a LOT of people have a lack of respect for Americans in general based on a variety of issues.



I understand what you mean, because there are those that generalise about Australians based on the crap that is promoted overseas too, LOL. No kangaroos in my backyard!!!

Jodi - posted on 09/19/2009

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Mary, I kind of understand what Lisa was trying to say (I think). I am in Australia, and we get some selective coverage here - obviously we get the juicy stuff, LOL.



I do have to say that many people do generalise and consider Americans to be quite ignorant and fanatical. This is not what I believe personally at all, but I can honestly say that many do, simply because of displays such as this that are promoted on the evening news, etc. It's unfortunate, but I'm sure you all have your stereotyped views on us too!!!!

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Quoting Lisa:

I am sorry to all of the intelligent, thoughtful and sane Americans out there. But this is what the rest of the world thinks of when they think of America - masses of ignorant, insane and ludicrous americans protesting in the street. Poor things.



I know Lisa, I'm so embarrassed! I wish we could start a group counseling arrangement for all of these deceived, thoughtless, and probably mentally ill Americans.

ME - posted on 09/19/2009

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It is amazing how a little truthful information can change the tone, and the the conversation. It's hard to be logical when you are basing your opinions on lies and rhetoric!

Sarah - posted on 09/19/2009

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ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!
I'm not from America, and i'm not very clued up on politics.....but even I'M more intelligent on the subject than they were!! :)

Ez - posted on 09/19/2009

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Holy bejebus!!!

That has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever seen LMAO

Jinglebones - posted on 09/19/2009

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I am sorry to all of the intelligent, thoughtful and sane Americans out there. But this is what the rest of the world thinks of when they think of America - masses of ignorant, insane and ludicrous americans protesting in the street. Poor things.

Mary - posted on 09/19/2009

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OMFG....it absolutely terrifies me to see visual proof of the insanity of some of my fellow "citizens". It makes me in favor of mass involuntary committments...the good news is, they can all use their 'great' private insurance to pay for it right now!

Jodi - posted on 09/19/2009

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What she said!! I thought I'd check this thread, but didn't expect to contribute because health care reform in the US is not something I know anything about, but to open a thread and piss myself laughing!! That's priceless!!

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