women being forced to be in the draft

Rosie - posted on 05/03/2010 ( 88 moms have responded )

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what do you think? if we were to reinstate the draft should women be forced to partake in it just as men are?



most of me screams no for this one. but there is that little part that says well, if you want women to be equal than the answer should be yes. most of it is just for pure selfish reasons, i would never ever ever want to be a part of a war. i couldn't do it. i also feel that men shouldn't be forced to partake in the draft either (if it were to be reinstated). nobody should have to go to war if they don't want to. this one is tough for me to admit, but i think it is mostly a thing where i feel a woman shouldn't have to do.

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Karissa - posted on 05/09/2010

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@Sharon Grey - Women ARE equal, but being equal doesn't mean the same. 4+6=10 but so does 3+7. They are equal but not the same. For the most part, there are things that women can do better than men. The same goes with men, they are better than women at other things. Everyone has their gifts. I'm not saying that a woman couldn't be a good soldier but that doesn't mean she should. I CAN cook dinner, but that doesn't mean I should. I husband should, because HE'S great at it. I might burn the kitchen down if I tried.

Jocelyn - posted on 05/07/2010

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Sharon me jumping borders wouldn't necessarily not support my (Canadian) patriotism. It would just be me refusing to be forced into something that I don't believe in and am vehemently against. Sure I love Canada, but I am such a pacifist that it wouldn't even be a contest for me. Now if I was drafted to go on some sort of peace keeping mission, or to build houses, build schools, help administer medicine, then I would certainly step up, because those types of actions actually help. But don't they dare try to force me to coordinate missile strikes.

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But then if you're being forced into something you don't support... I can see how it makes sense to go somewhere where you can live the life you want to live rather than be told to go die for something you want nothing to do with.

Everything certain groups of people are demanding everyday - the right to be free, being FORCED to do something they don't support -- you're being forced to put yourself in the position to die for something you don't believe in, that isn't freedom. The very idea of it undermines what freedom is. The idea of a draft alone is a completely underhanded swing at freedom.

So the whole patriotism argument is a legit idea, but it's also pretty tacky to expect everyone to jump in line......... "here, let me GUILT you into dying for something you don't support..." what a wonderful legacy THAT is....

Charlie - posted on 05/03/2010

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I dont think a decision like that should impose on two lives , no mother should be forced to formula feed if it isn't necessary .

Christa - posted on 05/11/2010

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I think that's the problem, Christina. Women and Men are not equal we are not the same. That doesn't mean we are not equally valued. I think that's where people have trouble. We can be equal in our worth, but not equal as in identical. Which is what Karissa was illustrating, those equations are equal in value but are NOT the same equation.

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LaCi - posted on 05/28/2010

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I don't believe in a draft, period. So I believe neither men nor women should be drafted. Yay equality.

Sarah - posted on 05/27/2010

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didn't read the whole thread but if they do reinstate the draft and put women in the mix i bet a lot of women would keep getting pregnant just so they wouldn't have to go... personally i don't think anyone should have to be drafted just my two cents.

C. - posted on 05/13/2010

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Christa, I'm not a feminist at all. I'm far from being a feminist, actually. Yes there are certain things I agree with, like allowing women in the military, etc.. But I'm not, nor ever will be a feminist. I just think that women had it coming.. All these years they've been fighting to be equal, now is their time (if a draft comes back) to REALLY be equal to men, and they should have to be drafted. Honestly, for me it's more of a 'serves you right' kind of move. [General you] You really wanted to be equal to men, now you have to do the rough jobs that men do. It may sound mean or wrong, but that's the way I feel about it.



And for those talking about the children and having to leave the children.. What about the single dads in the military?? They have to leave their kids, too! Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do, even if you don't WANT to do it.

Dana - posted on 05/12/2010

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I think women should be in the draft if men are expected to be. I agree men and women are different but one does not hold higher value than the other. That being said, I don't think that men and women being different has anything to do with whether they can serve in the military or not.

And Christa, I never figured you for a draft dodger...

Christa - posted on 05/12/2010

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I guess I agree with you, but I've never been a big feminist. I don't think men and women are the same. But that's a whole other discussion. :-)

C. - posted on 05/12/2010

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Whether you're a man or woman has nothing to do with it.. Women want to be equal until something that they don't want to do comes up.. Could be a draft, could be something else.. But it always happens. When are women that want to be equal going to man-up and take it?? They have been fighting for equality for decades. It shouldn't be as long as it's on their terms. If they want to be equal, they'll be equal. Sometimes that means doing something you don't want to do! We all have something in our lives that we'd rather not do, but it needs done. Same goes if there's a draft. Nobody in their right mind WANTS to be in a war, but it is NECESSARY.. It needs done. Women want to be equal, so they can be drafted too if they reinstate it. I think all of this equality junk is ridiculous.. When are people going to grow up and reap the consequences/benefits (depending of their POV) of their own actions??

C. - posted on 05/11/2010

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"but being equal doesn't mean the same"



Technically speaking, yes it does..



http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionar...

"Main Entry: 1equal

Pronunciation: \ˈē-kwəl\

Function: adjective

Etymology: Middle English, from Latin aequalis, from aequus level, equal

Date: 14th century

1 a (1) : of the same measure, quantity, amount, or number as another (2) : identical in mathematical value or logical denotation : equivalent b : like in quality, nature, or status c : like for each member of a group, class, or society

2 : regarding or affecting all objects in the same way : impartial

3 : free from extremes: as a : tranquil in mind or mood b : not showing variation in appearance, structure, or proportion

4 a : capable of meeting the requirements of a situation or a task b : suitable "



It's when people want to be equal, but not really equal that it doesn't mean the same thing (like when women want to be considered equal to men in careers, but when something dangerous arises, like a draft, they want no part of it b/c it's a "man's job"..)

Karissa - posted on 05/09/2010

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I recently found out that the military will not allow a mother and father in the military. They do this so that the child will have the opportunity to live with one of his parents.
I don't think that we will be having a draft anytime soon, but if they did I can't imagine women being included. I personally do not believe that women should be in combat areas, but then again, in the military anywhere can be a combat area. Which then leads me to believe women shouldn't be in the military.
I agree with you Kati, women shouldn't be fighting. I think they should be keeping the homefront in order. Whether it be at home with children or working. But I don't think if there is an able man, a woman should be sent to war.

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You know, there is a HUGE difference between drafted and/or voluntary enlistment versus front line combat! I am certain that each and every single one of us are more than capable of exceeding at a non-combat position.

Jocelyn - posted on 05/09/2010

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"(I once ran over a bird while driving; I had to pull the car over due to my upset over accidentally killing another animal; somemone else had to drive me home)"
LMAO oh Mary you sound like me!

Christa - posted on 05/08/2010

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Sharon, I totally see your point and I agree. . . sort of. I said my husband could go serve if needed and I'd be happy to do some sort of desk job, but my first priority is and always will be raising my children. So until that is done, I won't even go into an office for work, (I work from home) forget leaving to go across the world. It would be a different story if I didn't have kids or if they were grown.

ME - posted on 05/08/2010

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I actually think that a mandatory/or strongly encouraged year or two serving one's country is an excellent idea (trade it for a college education or something)...but, I don't think that anyone should ever HAVE to serve in the military if they do not want to. If every 18 year old was required to sign up with selective service, then I would suggest a variety of service opportunities. I would love to serve as a teacher, or building houses, or working at a homeless shelter, or helping out in a community medical clinic, or almost anything other than the military. I do not have an aggressive or violent bone in my body tho...I could not work for the Military, and I certainly couldn't fire a weapon at another human being. (I once ran over a bird while driving; I had to pull the car over due to my upset over accidentally killing another animal; somemone else had to drive me home). I would do far more harm than good in military service.

Please, no one take offense...I understand the need for a Military, and I have a deep respect for those who DO serve my country in this way.

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This is why I think that differently abled people should still be allowed in the army! Just because you can't run doesn't mean your ass can't fly a plane or push a pencil at a desk. OH and with those wanting to get pregnant, so you get pregnant then you take your allotted maternity leave and then you get to push your newborn off on to some other person and take your marching order! How beneficial would that be? Would probably keep people from trying to lose an apendage or make more ppl for the army to draft later! Pregnancy isn't a disability! You get to push pencils with the rest of the squad until you can go run off your extra baby weight!

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I guess I just see it from a different perspective, and that's fine. I know that war is a very senstive and very serious issue. I suppose the point can also be reiterated that it's OK to have your freedom, but just at someone else's expense. So I can only speak for myself: If I was mandated to serve America, I would, and would do so without trying to get out of it. It's the least I can do in honor and in memory of who served before me, in addition to those who are currently serving. If you have your own reasons why you would not support a draft, then that's between just you.

Patricia - posted on 05/07/2010

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I agree...woman wanted equal rights.....why should there be limits when it comes to the military? I have two sons....I don;t want them to join either, but since their father was in thte service, it's something they've grown up with and now take intrest in. And what's the difference if a man or a woman goes to war and is killed? A child is just as effected if either of their parent dies...Personally, I hate war, I feel that if a woman ran this country, we would solve matters over a cup of tea, a quilting bee or a bake off....and nobody gets killed...but we all know we live in a man's world, where King of the Hill has taken on a whole new meaning....

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OK, so to add further debate, for those who claim "I'd get pregnant so fast" or "I'd see that my partner has a serious injury" or "I'd move across borders" tell me how this supports AMERICAN Patriotism? I personally would have no problem if I am drafted and needed to serve my country. I may not be able to deal with the physical stamina part of it, but I am quite intellectual. My patriotism is to serve the country in the capactity they see fit. For those who have the attitude "over my dead body" where is your American Patriotism? This would be the legacy I would want to leave my son with if I died protecting my country.

Jocelyn - posted on 05/07/2010

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Since Jordan can't join, I would probably end up being drafted, and if that was the case I'd be over the boarder so fucking fast :P I'd come live with you guys in Australia!

Charlie - posted on 05/07/2010

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The same could be said for fathers too Susanne but someone has to do that job and if they choose to , fathers are just as important too .

No one likes war but its an unfortunate reality .

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I honestly think no woman has any business being in the military if she has children full stop. When you have a baby your first priority has to be that child not charging off to Afghanistan to get blown up leaving that child motherless.

Jodi - posted on 05/07/2010

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I'd be right - I own a business jointly with my husband, and also have my own small business. So even if I was pregnant (which would mean my husbands vasectomy repaired itself), I could still earn and income without my husband.....

However, it's all kind of hypothetical really, because we'd probably be rejected because of our age. Isn't there an upper age limit when they draft (at least there were in the past)?

Christa - posted on 05/06/2010

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Yes there are death benefits, though I personally don't think they are enough ever.

No the salary is not much and people would likely have to skimp, but if there was a war big enough for the draft, people would have bigger concerns then not getting some luxeries.

As far as their jobs being held on to for them, not likely but again with a war that big our country would adapt. We survived the draft before, IF it came to that these kinks would be worked out.

As far as where would the money come from, where does any of our money come from these days, China. lol! I joke, but not really. :-(

?? - posted on 05/06/2010

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And that's if they return at all... do they get the same 'benefits' as a regular military member would recieve if they were to die? Would their families be taken care of in any way?


I'm just asking because I honestly have no clue and the answers to these things could change what I think about it all..

?? - posted on 05/06/2010

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Where would the military come up with the money to pay all of those people who they are forcing to go off to war?

I can't imagine someone who is drafted would be paid enough to provide for a 4-6 person family. (2 parents + 2-4 children) They'd be at the bottom of the barrel, wouldn't they?

I say 2 parents because even though 1 is going off to war, I highly doubt the drafted persons job would be held onto for them until they returned so they would have to quit and rely on the military to provide for them...

Christa - posted on 05/06/2010

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Of course there's a salary. Just as any person in the armed forces now gets paid.



As far as it being comparable, probably not (depending on what you do). The military has a very strict salary scale based on rank, years of service, etc. It's all plugged in a that's what you get.



However I do believe they also give you a housing allowance or if you live on post they pay for your housing. I'm not sure on that though.

?? - posted on 05/06/2010

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Why thank you ma'am.

I have a few of them every once in awhile ;) lol

?? - posted on 05/06/2010

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I have a question, do you get paid if you're drafted? Is there some sort of financial support system for families whose main bread winner is drafted?

People seem to be focusing on 'who can raise the kids best' but can you raise the kids and take care of the bills too, by yourself?

If there is a salary that a family gets when the bread winner is drafted is it even remotely close enough to sufficiently provide for your current means?

General and genuine questions...

Isobel - posted on 05/06/2010

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just WOW! manditory BC?

If pregnancy were a way out of the draft...big families would become all the rage again. I do think that being the guardian of a child should get you off the list...and in the case of married couples, whoever does not get called should be allowed to volunteer to take the place of the one who does.

Christa, I think there are plenty of men who would have no place in the army too...

Sarah - posted on 05/06/2010

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I believe the goverment would never do such a thing...even if it was world war 3. unless both parents were in listed already in the military or you are a single woman with no family because of the financial costs of the state raising children

C. - posted on 05/06/2010

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I said 'maybe' they would.. A lot of things change when a draft is in place b/c people are NEEDED. I don't agree with it, I don't take BC even now.. But if they NEED women and the women are notified and all of a sudden become pregnant all at once, that just might happen. But like I said, I doubt I'd even be drafted anyway, so I'm not sure I'd even have to deal with it.. So off I go..

Christa - posted on 05/06/2010

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@Christina force us to take BC are you serious?? They won't even outlaw abortion because of a "women's right to her body" but you think they would be able to force us to take BC?

Emma - posted on 05/06/2010

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All's fair if we want to be treated as equal it has to be on everything you cant just pick and chose ....
If they implemented it though i would doge it like the plague as im not fighting for anything just because im told to by some stupid ass politician.

C. - posted on 05/06/2010

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Well I'm sure that's something they'd think of if they bring it back.. Maybe they'd make it mandatory to take BC. Sucks and I know I wouldn't do it, though they probably wouldn't draft me anyway so I'm not sure it'd matter.

Christa - posted on 05/05/2010

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@ Christina, they still couldn't prove it. Women get pregnant unexpectedly everyday. And don't you think if women were being drafted their sexual activity might go up?

Christa - posted on 05/05/2010

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Yes we have. And again I'll say I know that there are some women out there who make excellent soldiers, I'm not saying women shouldn't serve in the military. I'm just saying I think the majority of women in this country are better suited elsewhere, like raising their children. Most have said on here that only one parent should be drafted at a time. So if the rule is one parent per household, I think 99/100 times the better suited person would be the husband. So why would we spend resources drafting the less suited person for the job, when we could just take the men? This whole discussion is sort of fruitless, since I don't see us needing the draft anytime soon. We have enough wonderful men and women signing up to keep this country free. I don't see that changing, thankfully.

Sara - posted on 05/05/2010

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I don't believe I said that being in the military wasn't physical. I just think there's more to it than being physical, in the long run. If people don't think women should be drafted, fine. There are probably many compelling arguments against it. But I don't think a valid argument is to say that women are weaker physically and therefore shouldn't be in the draft. There are women in all kinds of physically demanding professions, and many do an excellent job in them. But we've been down that road...

Jodi - posted on 05/05/2010

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Christina, they still couldn't PROVE it. And unless they could prove it, there isn't much they could do about it.

C. - posted on 05/05/2010

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@Christa.. I'm sure if they did draft women and there was a rise of pregnancies all around the same time, AFTER they were notified that they were being drafted.. It would be a little far-fetched to say it was all coincidental.



@Amie.. I'm pretty sure they would have to go through something.

Amie - posted on 05/05/2010

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I really don't see a problem with this. As others have said, women have fought for years to be treated as equals. If it comes a time when a draft is needed, then yes you should very well expect to be treated as an equal and step up.

I would imagine though that just because it's a draft it doesn't mean that you would automatically be in. Would you not still have to go through boot camp and make it through that to ensure you are capable (in all capacities) of going to war?

Christa - posted on 05/05/2010

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I never said a women COULDN'T be in the military and do a great job, but I don't think some women would be very good at it (myself included). The military is far more then mental, it's obviously physical to say otherwise is ridiculous. IF women were allowed desk jobs as first choice then fine, but I stand by my original statement that women should not be drafted.

And how would anyone prove you got pregnant on purpose? They couldn't.

Sarah - posted on 05/05/2010

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I'm a total pacifist, so i don't think anyone should be forced into the military.
I guess that women should be classed as equal as men and therefore drafted too, something about that just doesn't sit right with me though. Not sure why.

It should be down to the individual, if a man or women WANTS to join, then fine. No-one should be forced IMO. :)

C. - posted on 05/05/2010

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You know.. If they do reinstate a draft and they find out you got pregnant ON PURPOSE, that could mean jail time for you..

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Of course women should be included! However, with the obvious increase of ppl to choose from a breast feeding mother could kindly be overlooked or given a desk job @ a base that allows her to atleast pump and provide the best nutrients for her child, IMO. I also think that someone who lost a finger could find a desk job! People are not ONLY needed for field work so why should a wheel chair, bum leg, or lost apendage keep you out? Equal rights for everyone right?

Sara - posted on 05/04/2010

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I don't believe most people think that men and women are the same...Men and women are obviously different physically, but I believe intellectually that men and women are absolutely equal. Serving in the military is increasingly about mental stamina versus physical stamina. One of the smartest women I know is an intelligence officer in the Navy, serving right along side of her husband. Opportunities to women should not be limited just because we're women...THAT's the point of equal opportunity. So if there's a draft, why shouldn't women be included?

Christa - posted on 05/04/2010

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I agree Michelle. Men and women ARE different (despite what some want to believe) I also would get pregnant or something if they tried to draft me. I am going to raise my family, if they had to draft my husband so be it. I have no problem doing our part for this country, but I do not think women should be forced to serve.

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if they were drafting women i would make sure i got pregnant real fast as there is no way i would want to go and my husband wouldn't because he lost his fingers in a work accident.

No i don't think women should be drafted we are different emotionally and physically and having had 2 grandfathers involved in the war one who was polish and put along with his family in a work camp and knowing what was done to his mother every night i just think there are dangers for women that aren't necisarily there for men.
MInd you if a woman chooses that for her career and passes the physical mental ect testing that they do then thats her choice and thats fine.

Sara - posted on 05/04/2010

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It's mandatory to serve in the Israeli Army for both men and women. Honestly, I think if a draft were reinstated, there's no reason to exclude women from it. But I don't really agree with a draft in the first place. Either make military service mandatory or don't.

Lea - posted on 05/04/2010

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As long as there is so much poverty in this country, the draft will never be needed. Tons of people risk being sent off to die for the chance at making it through with a free college education. There are plenty of women serving right now, and plenty of them have children. With so many people in the military or reserves, the real question is, can our country afford such a huge military anyway. Drafting more people? How would we pay them? We couldn't. We would have to force them to do it for free or surrender because we would be bankrupt before we even started. We will be the united states of china when they call in our loans. What, you don't have the money? Hmm well then YOU can go make walmart products for us at 25 cents an hour hahaha! :P

Jodi - posted on 05/03/2010

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It would have to be a REALLY dire need, as in, the enemy has invaded my country, before I would pay heed to a draft that did that to BF mothers.

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