Women's Rights

Brittany - posted on 09/22/2011 ( 5 moms have responded )

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Obviously I am a supporter of women's rights but, what so you all think about those women who want to complain all the time? Do any of you believe women in the work place take advantage of sexual harassment? What about the "radical" feminists? Do they give women a bad name?

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Lady Heather - posted on 09/22/2011

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Having sat there and watched the women at my old job just accept the fact that they were going to make less money and never be promoted, I don't think women complain enough. So many people think that doesn't go on anymore but it's pretty prevalent where I come from. Example 1) I was doing payroll and a bunch of other clerical work for the head branch of my company. By the time I left I was making $17/hour. I think I started at $15. I thought that was okay. Then I happened to see what this guy at another smaller branch with a less complicated job was making. $20 an hour. And he was just some 18 year old kid fresh out of high school with zero experience or training and the only reason he was hired was his dad was the manager. He screwed everything up all the time. The other women did not seem alarmed by this. When I brought it up I was simply told that men won't work for less than that. Seriously. Well guess what? Neither will I because I don't work there anymore. Lulz.

Example 2) There was a woman working in our shop downstairs. She was parts manager which takes quite a bit of organization and there's a lot of paperwork. She was good at it. But the menfolk down there didn't like having a lady around all the time. She didn't like that they had pictures of naked chicks up all over the place. Can't say I blamed her. So they started complaining about her and she actually got let go. Her replacement? Some drunk idiot who would disappear on benders and never had his work done on time. The office ladies complained and complained about him. It took a year for them to get rid of him. We found a box in his office full of months worth of paperwork that had just been ignored. Like a full banker's box. And he was getting paid 5 bucks an hour more than the competent woman.

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I think the real radicals who are all `motherhood is oppressive" or shit like that give feminism a bad name and that's a shame because there's still a lot of work to do. But I also think that men have their own issues that really aren't dealt with. We need masculinists too. The biases are just different.

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Stifler's - posted on 09/22/2011

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I think people who let themselves be treated badly and accept it or have the attitude that "I don't work so I cant'have a life my husband can do whatever he wants and I have to stay home with the kids all the time' are just as bad as "motherhood is opressive" people.

Jane - posted on 09/22/2011

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As a woman I would not go to a strip club for laughs or for any other reason. The men in my family don't go to strip clubs either. And one of the reasons why there is a double-standard is that the sexuality of men and women is different, and because men in general are expected to more likely be "dirty pigs" who cheat on their spouses than women are, in part because women have less power and so have to behave better to ensure being taken care of by men, who still have the power.

However, I have been subjected to sexual harassment on the job, as has my sister. It is very unpleasant to have someone who can fire you at any time tell you that you can give in to him or lose your job. Because of the atmosphere at the time this happened I did not file any complaints, but I did learn how to become unattractive when I needed to.

Stifler's - posted on 09/22/2011

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I think unreasonable double standards have emerged to be honest. We can go to strip shows and it's "just for a laugh" but men are obviously dirty pigs for going to a strip club.

Jane - posted on 09/22/2011

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There is always someone who takes advantage of something. However, as someone who was the second ever female agricultural inspector in my state, and as the daughter of the first female Chemical Engineer to graduate from her university, I can tell you that things are indeed easier now than they used to be for women in the workplace.

But, there is still a huge problem with equity. Women STILL don't get equal pay for equal work. Women STILL are typically the victims of sexual harassment, not men. There is STILL prejudice against promoting women over men and against female bosses in general. And 9 times out of 10, the men in the office think that their female coworkers should make the coffee or clean the break room.

I don't know who you mean by "those women who want to complain all the time." If they are complaining about small things, I would say just deal with it. However, if they are complaining about not getting paid as much as male coworkers, or for being considered "mommy track" and thus not "real" employees, then they should not only complain, they need to do whatever they can to gain equity for all women in the workplace.

BTW, because women tend to be the majority of people employed in education, nursing and social work, the cuts to these programs are hitting women harder than they are men.

Personally, I think radical anything can give the group they represent a bad name, but they also draw attention to the inequities that need to be corrected.

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