You've got to be flipping kidding me?!?!?

Sandra - posted on 12/03/2010 ( 35 moms have responded )

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This happened yesterday about 35-40 minutes from my house. It's absolutely ridiculous. She's only 2!!!! My question for everyone revolves around the fact that this guy is a previous sex offender. And the prior conviction had to do with a 7-year old child. Should someone who has a history of harming children in this fashion be allowed to just serve a short sentence and be done? Not have to deal with parole or even probation? Do you feel that just registering as a sex offender is enough when the crime involves a young child? What would be a better monitoring system to ensure that those who have a history of sexual assault don't end hurting another child?

I'm quite impressed that there were actually people who stepped up and helped though. It's not something you see often anymore. Would you have tried to help, not yet knowing what was going on?

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Charlie - posted on 12/03/2010

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Let me ask you this for those who wish to torture him :

If this little girl went and grew up to sexually assault others as so many abuse victims do ( as the accused more than likely was ) would you also advocate for her to be raped in prison , bashed , beaten , tortured , eaten alive by fire ants all because she was sexually abused as a child and it had a serious psychological impact on her to continue the cycle of abuse ?

Doreen - posted on 12/04/2010

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In South Africa it is a daily occurrence. It is believed that if you rape a virgin when you have aids you will be cured... and the younger the virgin the more potent the cure... WTF? How stupid do you have to be AND to top it how freaking selfish the act. Aagggg I have woken up hyperventilating in the middle of the night so sad and sorry for these tiny little people. I am shocked that people still look to help the perpetrators. What is worse, is that at ages before 7 most kids think when someone is hurting them that they done something wrong and they themselves are bad. WE actually teach them that from very young age “bad behavior and we show them with hurting them, may it be with a zap on the bum or hurt their feeling by moaning”.

That upsets me... that they think they are being harmed because they naughty. For you girls that don't still understand why little girls and boys normally don't tell. AND then to top it, these men normally first pretend to be a friend and psychologically bully them into doing stuff that they don’t want to. THEN just to bring it more around the real side of things, how these little people hope and pray someone will save them. Man guys, here in South African they often die at the hand these men - they start crying or bleeding uncontrollably and get beaten to death with a brick or drowned in a shallow pool of water. How on earth can anyone let that slide?!! Now I have tried to be all liberal in my life, but the truth is it serves no one but the criminals.

They should be removed from society forever! The tattoo is a great idea. There have been cases of men (I suppose there are woman too) that serve a 20 year jail sentence and they come out and do exactly the same thing. Please also consider how often someone does something and gets caught... a 1 out of 10 maybe?? Then to prove it is another story? If you catch them, put them away so we can "serve" our children.

POINT IS: IF you have been a victim or show tendencies it is YOUR responsibility to seek help/counseling before you harm an innocent child. You need to be accountable for your actions. I don't think it is fair to the children that we put these men back in society. Not to their victims, their parents and of course the little children who will fall to be their next victims if we know they have a problem. It is an illness and you are putting my kids in danger!

Becky - posted on 12/03/2010

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Loureen has a good point, that many of these abusers have a horrible, heartbreaking history of abuse, neglect, abandonment, etc. Unfortunately, by the time they grow up and start abusing others, it's usually too late to do anything to help them. I think that there should be mandatory life sentences with no chance of parole. It shouldn't be a 3 strikes offence, it should be one strike and that's it. No opportunity to ever abuse a child again. Not to mention that most offenders have abused more than 1 child before they're caught!
Fortunately for this little girl, it sounds like she has a loving family who will hopefully get her the support she needs now so that she will not grow up to be an abuser herself.

Nikkole - posted on 12/03/2010

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I think if this is done to you, then you should know the pain and hurt and wouldnt want to do it to someone else! I was raped by our neighbor when i was about 5 or 6 cant really remember how old i was but i can remember her and her boyfriend doing things to me and i never felt like hey i was raped well why not do it to someone else I know not everyone is like me but i know if this happened to one of my kids ID KILL ANYONE (no matter if they had it done to them when they were little) who would do this or try to do this to my children im sorry thats just the way i feel!

Jodi - posted on 12/03/2010

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I think ALL rapists and molestors and murderers should have to have a government licensed tattoo on their forehead letting people know exactly what they are. I see no point in pretending they can just "blend" into society and be instantly "normal" because they served a slap on the wrist prison sentance.
As for them being child victims themselves, that is true and fine and dandy and all, but they are now adults and can make educated decisions and know right from wrong. Being abused as a child is a not a "get out of jail free card." Then again, I'm not condoning violence upon them, although that's a probable outcome with a tattoo I suppose...I guess I just don't care enough about WHY they did something to justify letting them off the hook with the way the systems lets them go now...

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Corinne - posted on 12/05/2010

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I agree Tara. Build a prison in the Arctic, or in the desert and never let them out.
Doreen, I think the justice system in a lot of countries and states is completely screwed. Heck, if we were to shout 'burn him alive!' these days, it'd be our asses in lock-up.
I have no faith in the British justice system. I was told at the age of 18, that if I took my violent father to court for the years of abuse suffered, I had to be prepared to lose because it was unlikely they'd be able to do anything. Needless to say, I never took it up as I didn't want him angry and looking for me (and he would've). Too many cases of rapists, molesters and murderers getting out, re-offending, getting caught, then bleating about their human rights. Monsters like this make me sick.
I'd like to think I'd've helped as I've tripped a couple of shoplifters being chased before and also (while heavily prego) waded into a homophobic attack and sat on the guy till the cops came. I was duty manager and all my staff went and hid out in the kitchens - nice!

Doreen - posted on 12/05/2010

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I know we should be all objective and if you not LIberal you frowned upon.... but I can't deny the fact that deep inside my heart I know if I lived a few hundred years ago, I'd be right there in the crowd shouting "burn him alive".

Tara - posted on 12/04/2010

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Having been sexually exploited and abused as a child by my step father, I find this story heart wrenching. However I do not agree with the call to have him raped, beaten, tortured, killed etc.
It just perpetuates the violence.
I also don't think whether he was abused or not is of any relevance in this situation. He obviously has impulse control issue attached to his sexual addiction. (who else would take the risk of assaulting a baby in a store?!!!)
I don't think being abused as a child is an excuse for being an abuser. It could be an underlying reason, but not an excuse, as there is no excuse for that kind of indecency when an adult clearly knows it is wrong and hurtful.
He is wired wrong, that is for certain. But there is nothing that can be done to change that. Child Sex Offenders are the hardest criminals to rehabilitate. Often it is impossible.
And really how could you ever be sure they were "cured".
I really think they need a prison in the Arctic Circle somewhere for all child abusers and pedophiles. Somewhere if they chose to run they would surely freeze their junk off and die of exposure. But also somewhere they would never leave.
Still sad about this story. I couldn't imagine the rage the mother and grandma must have felt.

Petra - posted on 12/04/2010

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Like Jenny said, this guy is wired wrong (most paedophiles are) and that needs to be taken into consideration. I like what Loureen is saying too - no one thinks of the perpetrators as children who are now products of abuse. While I do not and never will agree with imposing a death penalty on criminals of any kind, I think the best thing you can do with repeat offenders like this - because, honestly, rehabilitation does not work - is chemical castration and life sentences. Study the crap out of them, find more ways to spot and prevent this from happening. I can not condone throwing him in to the gen pop and let other inmates do what the justice system can not, nor can I condone "humane euthanasia" for the undesirables or the dangerous of our society. Yes, they need to be kept away from children and need to be rendered incapable of carrying out sexual assaults, but reciprocal rape, torture and killing are not the answers I would expect or want from a supposedly advanced, humanistic, enlightened society such as ours. If Canada adopted these "punishments", I would be moving.

Mary - posted on 12/04/2010

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I think we need to bring back that whole scarlet letter concept - although it needs to be a large scarlet tattoo on some place that is always highly visible. I'm thinking the cheek would work.

What most incenses me about this story is that he is a repeat offender. Making these guys register is pretty much useless to the general public. I have no way of knowing if the guy in the toy aisle with me in Target is shopping for his kid, or looking for kid to snatch. However, if he had a large red P tattooed on his cheek (for pervert), we would all know he was someone to be wary of. It would GREATLY reduce his opportunities to get near a child alone, ever.

Becky - posted on 12/04/2010

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Oh I agree, Sharon. There are no excuses. Although, there is research that indicates that early childhood trauma actually changes the way a person's brain develops, so they may not have as much choice as we might like to think they do. All the same, I'm not trying to give them any excuses. I do think they should be locked up and the key thrown away!

Sharon - posted on 12/04/2010

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People have choices... do unto others as was done unto you or learn to NOT be a shit head and don't hurt others.

there is no excuse for "growing" up and abusing other people just because you were abused.

The only reason I would advocate humane euthanasia is because someone has to carry it out. That person or persons should not be scarred by the proposed torture.

Stifler's - posted on 12/03/2010

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I hate seeing stuff like this, especially when he should have been locked up the whole time. Why is it that people do more time for like possession of drugs or stealing or whatever than abusing little kids? Get the scum off the streets and protect the kids. It should be one strike and life.

Sandra - posted on 12/03/2010

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I realized that after I posted, that's why I edited it. Sometimes I get caught up in my own little world and forget things. Lol.

Charlie - posted on 12/03/2010

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Nikole , unfortunately it's not always the case a large number of abusers were abused .

Charlie - posted on 12/03/2010

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Sandra , Im not talking about a death sentence, I am for a death sentence , I am talking about the various calls to torture , beat , rape and kill inhumanely on this thread .

Charlie - posted on 12/03/2010

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In all honesty I think it is natural to have such strong feelings towards people like this , it's instinct to protect the young but people often forget the perpetrators were once young too and often faced the type of abuse they now dish out , yes Jail time is a must , humanely euthanized as Jenny put it , is the only way to stop the cycle .

Sandra - posted on 12/03/2010

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If she's hurting children and continuing the cycle of abuse, then yes. The cycle needs to stop somewhere. If she started to sexually abuse children like this, then why should we let her live only to abuse & therefore possibly create another abuser? I mean hypothetically...



Edited to add: I'm not for the torture thing though. For him or anyone else. Just have them euthanized the way we do when a dog can't be controlled and has a history of attacking. Quick, simple, and painless.

Lacye - posted on 12/03/2010

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You have a point Loureen. I would have to say no. I got heated when I saw that and wrote what first came to mind. I do think however if we can't torture the sex offenders (darn it), the least thing the government should do is make them pay for everything they have done and send them to jail.

Lacye - posted on 12/03/2010

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i say we tie the fucker to a tree in the middle of the woods, pour honey on him, and let mother nature take it's course! let the fire ants have his nappy ass! I still can't believe that a person would do that to a defenseless child. that is just horrible.

Nikkole - posted on 12/03/2010

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I cant believe how anyone would want to hurt a chil in any way!!! But you know what the sad thing is people who kill animals or for marijuana use get longer prison time than child rapists or molesters and that makes me sick!!! I think all rapists and child molesters should have to put a giant sign in there yard saying HEY im a child molester/rapist! And those who do this kinda crap should have what they did to others done to them then killed because i dont want our tax dollars going to give this guy food,shelter,cable,or a college education!!!!!!!!!

Charlie - posted on 12/03/2010

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I agree with Jenny , humanely euthanize him , It is easy to forget when reading things like this that he was once a small impressionable and vunerable boy who most likely was assaulted and or sexually abused too , it is a vicious cycle one that death can stop .

Sandra - posted on 12/03/2010

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That's the other thing, do we lock him away forever and end up spending $20,000+ a year of taxpayer money? Or do we send him to death row where it costs an average of $90,000 a year to deal with him (and all the appeals he's allowed) until he's put to death?



Personally, I say just throw him in gen pop and let all the rest of the inmates know his crime. They'll have a free for all, and it saves taxpayer dollars!

Tah - posted on 12/03/2010

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This is the worse..i am just so disgusted and i hope the guards find him with his pants and underwear down and his shirt up in a flipping prison broom closet for the next 100 years...i am just appalled. This is why i keep my children in my eye sight, they can not wonder off to the next aisle, down the aisle, up the aisle, nowhere, call me overprotective but this is what it is and this is why. I hate seeing little children running all around in stores without adult supervision, This is not the first time a child has been lured away from the parent in a store, i even remind my husband, keep an eye on them..pleease..these monsters are bold enough and sick enough to try to rape a child in the next aisle in dollar general..WTH much....I don't even know what to do to keep them monitored, i need to calm down and think....maybe a group of parents working in shifts doing 24 hour shifts with a license to carry..i don't know....thats what i got right now...

Jodi - posted on 12/03/2010

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I guess I just felt so physically ill reading that article, I wasn't feeling terribly charitable towards a humane death for him......

I don't understand how the system can let these people out into society. I don't believe anyone who is capable of doing this to a child can possibly be rehabilitated.

Amanda - posted on 12/03/2010

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I think any person who does anything inappropriate to a child like this deseves to rot in hell. I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of being put to death. I'd make them suffer in the worst prison ever imaginable. I mean there is obviously something wrong with these sick mother f*ers but to let them back out and "hope" they're rehabilitated is for the birds. Let them rot...

Jenny - posted on 12/03/2010

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Well I think he's a broken individual. I can't wish harm to him. He's acting the way he's wired and I don't think it's fixable (at least not without advanced brain surgery of some sort). So I think the best choice is to put him down and spare society, and himself, from his sickness.

Nikki - posted on 12/03/2010

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This story makes me feel sick, what a, I just can't think of words that derogatory enough for this horrible man, disgusting. How desperate and game was he to try and do it in the next isle? I agree with Krista, they should be locked away for life, they are always going to be a danger to society, I have no empathy for them and I don not believe they can ever be rehabilitated.

Jodi - posted on 12/03/2010

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Oh God, I was almost physically ill reading that. A person like that shouldn't be allowed out IMO. That's fucking sick.

Krista - posted on 12/03/2010

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I think that if you sexually assault a young child, you should have a life sentence with no possibility of parole. Anybody who would want to sexually assault a little child is not someone who should ever be out among society -- something is very, very broken and wrong upstairs, and it'll never be fixed. So just keep them locked up so that nobody else gets hurt.

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