Judge videotaped beating his daughter,,not charged

Tah - posted on 11/04/2011 ( 98 moms have responded )

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, Texas — A Texas family law judge whose daughter secretly videotaped him savagely beating her seven years ago won't face criminal charges because too much time has elapsed, police said Thursday.



Aransas County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams likely would have been charged with causing injury to a child or other assault-related offenses for the 2004 beating of his then-16-year-old daughter, but the five-year statutes of limitations expired, Rockport Police Chief Tim Jayroe said.



"We believe that there was a criminal offense involved and that there was substantial evidence to indicate that and under normal circumstances ... a charge could have been made," Jayroe said. He said the district attorney determined he couldn't bring charges, and that police would discuss the case with federal prosecutors even though he doesn't believe federal charges would apply.



Hillary Adams, now 23, posted the 8-minute clip on YouTube last week that shows her father viciously lashing her with a belt and trying to force her to bend over her bed to be beaten despite her wails and pleas to stop. The clip had received more than 2.4 million hits as of Thursday, and police began investigating Wednesday after hearing from concerned citizens.



William Adams, 51, issued a three-page statement Thursday saying his daughter posted the clip to get back at him for telling her he would be reducing the amount of financial support he gives her and taking away her Mercedes. The statement did not include an apology for the beating, but he told Corpus Christi television station KZTV on Wednesday that the video "looks worse than it is," that he had already apologized to his daughter and that he was just disciplining his child for stealing.



Hillary Adams says her parents were angry because she had downloaded pirated content online, and that she turned on the camera because she sensed something was going to happen.



William Adams, who presides over child abuse cases, is still being investigated by the state's judicial conduct commission and the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, which on Thursday requested that he be removed from its cases until the investigation concludes.



Patrick Crimmins, a spokesman for the agency, declined to elaborate on the exact nature of the investigation. But he said that in general, the agency would only investigate a case in which a suspected abuse victim has already reached adulthood if there are still children in the home who could be at risk. Adams was granted joint custody of his 10-year-old daughter in his 2007 divorce.



There are no allegations of alleged abuse by Adams against his younger daughter, who primarily resides with her mother, Hallie Adams. Crimmins declined to say whether his agency is investigating the parental fitness of Hallie Adams, who lashed Hillary once during the 2004 beating.





Crimmins said his agency ordinarily wouldn't disclose that it is investigating someone, but that it did in this case because the investigation is the reason it requested that William Adams be taken off its cases.



Jayroe said that police did not interview the younger daughter, but asked both Hallie and Hillary Adams about it and there was no indication of abuse of the younger daughter.



In his statement Thursday, Adams said he would "respond" to all investigations. As Aransas County's top judge, he has dealt with at least 349 family law cases in the past year alone, nearly 50 of which involved state caseworkers seeking determine whether parents were fit to raise their children.



County officials confirmed that Adams will not hear cases related to Child Protective Services for at least the next two weeks. And the top administrator in Aransas County cast doubt on whether Adams could credibly return to the bench.



"I would think it would be very difficult," said Aransas County Judge C.H. "Burt" Mills Jr. "Personally I don't see how he can recover from this."



If the judicial commission and police investigations don't lead to punishment or charges, Adams could be safe on the bench until he's up for re-election in three years.



Hillary Adams said she waited so long to expose her father because she was terrified at what might have happened had she done so while still living under his roof. She said the outpouring of support and encouragement she's received since posting the clip is tempered by the sadness that it's her father repeatedly lashing her with a belt and threatening to beat her "into submission."



During an interview with her mother Thursday on NBC's "Today" show, Hillary Adams said her father regularly beat her for a period of time. has repeatedly said she didn't post the clip to spite her father, and that she hopes it forces him to seek help.



Her mother blamed her ex-husband's bouts of violence on an "addition." She called it a "family secret," but declined to elaborate.



In his statement, though, William Adams painted a starkly different picture of why his daughter posted the clip.



"Just prior to the YouTube upload, a concerned father shared with his 23-year-old daughter that he was unwilling to continue to work hard and be her primary source of financial support, if she was going to simply `drop out,' and strive to achieve no more in life than to work part time at a video game store," Adams' statement said. "Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support, and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it."



Hillary Adams did not immediately respond to email requests Thursday seeking a response.



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Kelina - posted on 11/06/2011

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You know what my MIL did when her daughter wouldn't keep her seatbelt on? she took her to the police station(she was 3) You know what he could have done a) taken away her internet b) taken away the computer in her room, c) taken her down to the police station and tell them she was illegally downloading music and see what they did. I don't care how old she was or how close she was to legally being an adult THIS IS PHYSICAL ABUSE and he obiouvsly thinks it's ok. I don't care why the video was posted, I have a hard time sympathizing with the fact that daddy's not supporting her and is taking away her car. Maybe if she had a job and paid her own bills this wouldn't be an issue. The fact remains that he was in a position of power, there were other ways he could have solved the problem and the fact that it came to this was not entirely her fault! He had other routes he could have taken and he CHOSE not to setting himself and his daughter up for this. And I don't care what she was doing or how illegal it was, if he was worried about his stupid reputation, he should have taken her down to the police station and said arrest her, and walked out. Because if you truly love your child, you don't treat them like animals no matter how much they act like them. If you wouldn't do it to an equal, you don't do it to a lesser.

Barb - posted on 11/10/2011

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When i read this: "I think is an act of stupidity to overlook someone's illegal activity because you don't like the final outcome. " I became confused, because in my eyes the only real illegal activity was the way he assaulted her. And it is far more criminal for a full grown adult who administers the justice of the law on a daily basis to commit this felony against a loved one than it is to download music for your personal enjoyment.

Who was she hurting so badly she deserved to be hurt that badly?

Kelina - posted on 11/07/2011

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I get it Tah. Meggy correct me if I'm wrong but the comparison you are trying to make is that you are in a position of power, as is a police officer, as is a parent.

Definition of assault : Assault



265. (1) A person commits an assault when



(a) without the consent of another person, he applies force intentionally to that other person, directly or indirectly;



(b) he attempts or threatens, by an act or a gesture, to apply force to another person, if he has, or causes that other person to believe on reasonable grounds that he has, present ability to effect his purpose; http://www.lawyers.ca/statutes/criminal_... n law, assault is a crime causing a victim to fear violence. The term is often confused with battery, which involves physical contact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault



So how is punishing her for something mildly illegal with a type of punishment that is itself illegal ok?

Barb - posted on 11/07/2011

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That was not a spanking, that was assault. The only reason why charges haven't been brought against him is because the statute of limitations has passed.

Amanda - posted on 11/06/2011

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I dont agree being that she was 16 years old she was no longer a child. period she knew she was breaking the rules and she knew what could possibly happen. Like I said even 10 year old no, but the events leading up to her sudden release of her little video makes me call her a brat because of her motives. BTW I am VERY familiar with abuse and sorry to tell you if my 16 YEAR OLD SON BROKE THE LAW yes I would tear his butt up and not lose a wink of sleep it is called raising responsible adults. Young adults push boundaries harder than kids do thus their punishments should be harder whether physical or not. I have step siblings who were two seconds from ADULT jail time because of things they did and an ex who did 17 months in ADULT PRISON for his actions which involved THEFT! and as I told my son's dad I WILL NOT VISIT MY SON IN PRISON because he felt the need to break the rules and if I have to beat his ass to prevent that you are damn right I will do it and sleep like a baby knowing my young adult isn't stealing or hurting someone else.

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Teresa - posted on 11/12/2011

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Wacthing this video was apalling. First of all at 16, any kind of physical punishment is just bullying, but the way these people were talking to a person they love, their own child, it was down right assault. they weren't disciplining, they were taking their anger out on their daughter, tag-teaming even. Descpicable. I was spanked and with a belt at times, but i was never degraded and it wasn't in such an aggressive manner. it was a few hits with the belt and then that was it. these people had no control over themselves and should have waited before confronting her.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/10/2011

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Maybe she stayed because of Stockholme Syndrome where the victim sympathizes with his or her captor? That's the only logic I can think of. And the fact that she was given stuff to keep quiet. From what I saw the entire family is messed up and needs therapy.

Now that really disgusts me. I was a care aide back in New York and worked with special needs children and adults as well as adults with alzheimers and dimensia. It takes a special kind of person to deal with that. And that means someone who won't resort to any type of abuse and that can be hard sometimes, especially with people who have memory problems.

Barb - posted on 11/10/2011

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I'm not dismissing that what she did was illegal, but the punishment didn't fit the crime. You can hear in the video the mom saying "i already spanked her" then, after he had whipped her body, not her butt, mom came in and gave one swat and when she wouldn't give the father back the belt he went and got another one and said "i didn't get my licks in on her yet" When he clearly had. What that meant was "i haven't taken all my anger out on her yet" This was not discipline, this was retribution and punishment. This was not teaching her right from wrong, this was her father wearing out his anger on her body which is abusive.

Just like i can't dismiss that what she did was illegal, you can't dismiss that what he did was also illegal.

Amanda - posted on 11/10/2011

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Barb, you can't dismiss what she did it was illegal regardless of how severe the infraction was illegal it illegal. That's like say shoplifting ok l but armed robbery is illegal beacuse its worse... Either way it is stealing. My biggest problem here is why did she wait 7 years to release this... You don't agree and that is fine but if it was as bad as she is making it out to be now why didn't she report it earlier??? Why did she stay with her dad when mom left? Every parent at one point or another does something they regret where their kids are concerned. Whether it is hit them or say soemthing they wish they hadn't or something... Once again we will never know what happened that day, week , month or year to cause this to happen, but I don't think it is fair to pass judgement on someone else knowing only one side and without knowing what life is like in their world.



Meggy you are very fortunate to have had the kind of parents who have the patience to deal with bi polar kids, but not everyone is like that. One the news yesterday there was a woman arrested for beating her 3 yo special needs child and another who sevverely burned her 2 yo daughters legs because she made a mess with her cake. That is abuse. These are small children or babies that don't know right from wrong and in one case if I remember correctly was bedbound and couldn't do anything wrong....

Barb - posted on 11/10/2011

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No type of discipline will work if you aren't consistent with it. And If physical punishment is all you know how to dole out, what are you going to do when they are bigger than you, like my son who is 6' 8" and 200 lbs and can pick me up like a fly landed on his shoulder? You better have their respect at that age otherwise you're screwed.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/09/2011

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Amanda, actually I was. I have bi-polar and ADD and I nearly killed my brother when I was a child. I would scratch at my mom and all sorts of things. My brother was just about as bad. But my parents didn't use anything but their bare hand to spank us or they would take things away. Besides by the time I hit 12 I was taller than my mom and my brother was taller than her when he was 10. He was the same height as our dad by 16 and they would get into it. That was not pretty. But now my brother is married, has a steady job and has a son of his own. I believe it was a combination of dicipline that helped.

From what I understood from the Dr Phil interview this afternoon is that the judge had his good moments and his bad moments like anyone else. But I believe he showed poor judgement by leaving the computer in the daughter's room after she'd proven she couldn't be trusted. At 16 a person's brain isn't even fully developed- they do know right from wrong and can act of their own free will- everyone knows that teens are impulsive and can be single minded. That would be why if my 7 year old as a teen did something stupid my first impulse would be to punish her by refusing her something. Or making her do some volunteer work. If it was illegal and she was a minor I'd make her turn herself in. There are better alternatives out there IMO.

Amanda - posted on 11/09/2011

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See I wouldn't hit him that hard being a little kid, but everyone is different you probably also weren't the type of kid who would hit, kick or attack your parents and there are kids like that. All I am saying is even things that some might find truly disturbing and for all we know it might have killed him to do it maybe it was a final straw in a situation that was getting out of control.... and if it kept her from continuing to make bad or dangerous choices than it was worth it... I know I would rather beat my son's butt than have to bury him.....

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/09/2011

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I would usually say do whatever works. But I was hit with a belt once by my grandpa (paternal) and it hurt so bad I still remember it 25 years later. I will never do that with my kids.

Amanda - posted on 11/09/2011

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Some kids only respond to spanking.....I tried (with her 5 yo son) taking his toys away and then the throwing his toys away thing and now he has no toys, doesn't care and still wont clean his room...... He is his mom made over..... Taking things away with some kids doesn't work..... but the last time he violently lashed out hitting and kicking and I popped his butt... He will stop if I tell him your are gonna get popped...

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/09/2011

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With my 7 year old spanking doesn't seem to work as well. She laughs at me when I spank her and my DH is her step dad and he doesn't want to spank her too hard because she's a tall skinny kid.

IMO taking things away that a child enjoys is a harsher form of punishment and teaches them that if they don't behaive they loose their things. My 7 year old was riding her bike without her helmet one day and she lost her bike for a week. She wasn't doing her chores, she lost her DVD player.

I'm also the mom that stuffs things in a garbage bag as my way of cleaning up. She'll get them back sooner or later, but when you don't clean your room at my house, that's what you get.

Amanda - posted on 11/09/2011

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And I am glad you have a good daughter who values her things and understands that type of punishment and it works for you. However my point is not all children are like yours and they don't respond to for lack of a better word lighter types of punishment.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/09/2011

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You've never been around my 7 year old when she loses her personal DVD player or the privledge to watch TV in my bedroom. I've found that taking things away works better than a swat on the behind.

Amanda - posted on 11/09/2011

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Actually since my mother didn't believe in spanking either she didn't start getting hit until she was totally out of control and by that point it was too late if she had been spanked earlier then she would have understood that there were repercussions to her actions that were stronger than you lost your stereo..... I think younger kids should be spanked on the diaper or back of the hand when needed with a hand or two fingers... age dependent but older kids need a belt or paddle because hand isn't going to do anything and I don't agree with hitting anyone in the face...

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/09/2011

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Do you ever think that maybe, just maybe your sister acted out because she was hit? You said so yourself that not everyone learns from it and there is proof that a lot of children who are whipped do learn to be just as violent. Some of them will lash out at their parents. Maybe your parents should be glad that she didn't use a gun when she retailiated.

I'm not saying that this is a direct cause of her behaivours. However it could be part of it. Maybe your parents should've tried a different approach instead of using corporal punishment.

Yes I spank, but only with the flat of my hand against my daughter's clothed behind. And only when a time out hasn't worked or she's run into the street. My husband and I have found that with her taking things away works a lot better.

My brother and I were both spanked. I was smacked across the mouth once for telling my mom that I didn't have to listen to her because she wasn't my real mom since I'm adopted. I never said that again. But my parents stopped spanking when my brother and I were in middle school and instead would ground us or take away priveleges.

You don't have to agree with me on this, but in my opinion there are far better ways to dicipline a child instead of a belt or a paddle.

Amanda - posted on 11/09/2011

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I will concede there are stupid laws everywhere. I personally do not believe there is anything wrong with using a belt or paddle to discipline a child esp an older teen aged child. Do kids learn from swats yes they do... Do all kids learn from them no they do not. I have an ex step sister who was grounded, lectured, take privileges away, literally EVERYTHING under the sun and none of it worked She hit my mother, stole her truck, did drugs constantly, got our younger brother strung out on drugs and now my parents and I share custody of her kids because the state took them away from her because of drug use and deplorable living conditions. My opinion she should have been hit hard and often and she might have resented my parents but she might also still have her kids instead of them being wards of the state.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/09/2011

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I'm not over looking the illegal activity, but it was stupid on the parents' part to leave the computer in her room after she'd proven that she couldn't be trusted with it.

Guess what, I do spank my older child. I've even tapped my 8 month old's hands when she's grabbing at a TV cord. But in Canada, a few states and other countries it's illegal to use any type of impliment to beat your child. That's considered abuse by those places. I know shocking isn't it?

I'm not on the wrong page, I go to debating mum's as well. But I've never spoken with someone who believes it's right to whip a child with a belt because that's what their state says is okay. New Jersey says you're required to give an intruder time to flee before pursuing the person, my ex BIL didn't do that and was sued by the parents of the kids he tackled when they were leaving his apartment with his belongings. That wasn't right either, but that's the law in that state. And I've never had someone get upset with me for an easy comparisson.

Amanda - posted on 11/09/2011

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You are correct ABUSE is Abuse, However spanking your child is not abuse, not even by CPS standards....

Thankfully Dr Phil is not the topic of this debate either so I will refrain from comment.

She DID NOT GO LIVE WITH HER MOM. She STAYED WITH her "monster abusive" Dad.

Stupidity is very clearly and thankfully subjective.... I think is an act of stupidity to overlook someone's illegal activity because you don't like the final outcome.

And finally I thought this a debate..... I am not picking every post apart I don't have time for that I have a job, son and life... If you don't like having people with different opinions voice those opinions and disagree with you maybe you are on the wrong page.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/09/2011

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I guess my children should be glad they live in Canada because here spanking your child with a belt IS a crime. Come to think of it even in New York it is a crime. Abuse is abuse. It doesn't really matter what your daddy's daddy did to him or what your parents did to you behind closed doors.

Watching this on Dr Phil now.

Who gives a rats ass what the mom is doing and that she went to live with her mom. There obviously was a reason that she went to live with her mom because at the age of 13 and up a family court judge will allow a minor child to choose which parent they want to live with. At least in NY.

And I'm with Kelina on the stupidity. Why pick apart every post to find a bit of fault.

Amanda - posted on 11/09/2011

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The first line of that statement was "WE BELIEVE" not " this WAS a crime....

And yes let's pick and chose what facts should be considered and which ones....really aren't that important.... Stupidity I do believe you hit the nail on the head there.....

Kelina - posted on 11/09/2011

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ummm, yes i'm leaving this because otherwise i'm not going have a computer left because I'll throw it out the window in frustration from overload of stupidity. YES IT WAS THE POLICE CHIEF. Meaning this was ILLEGAL. Not just in people from other states or other countries eyes, but in her own town! He said he'd already apologized, and you know maybe he's a better dad most of the time, that doesn't change the fact that this SPECIFIC INCIDENT was ABUSE. I was making the point that this was information she originally gave us as there has been some debate over whether or not this specific level of punishment was legal. I don't care about the circumstances leading up to the release of the video. I don't care about whats going on in their home life. I don't care that he's divorced and moms being a bitch because none of that relates to what it was that happened! None of those things caused him to hit his daughter. None of those things are actually related to whats happening in the video! If the chief of police says he could have been charged because he lost it JUST ONCE then it was illegal and it is considered abuse. I'm sorry you can't see that.

Amanda - posted on 11/09/2011

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Some info posted from another person who evidently lives in that area

The parents have been divorced for a few years and the mom is busy trying to put all the blame on hubby but the other videos disprove her big time. Nonetheless, the daughter chose to live with dad after the divorce.
Apparently there is a custody battle going on right now for the younger daughter so I suspect Mom had something to do with the timing of the video. However, she didn't stop to think about how the video shows her.

HMMMM SHE CHOSE to live with her dad over her mom.....

Kelina - posted on 11/09/2011

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"We believe that there was a criminal offense involved and that there was substantial evidence to indicate that and under normal circumstances ... a charge could have been made," He went overboard. this was abuse, assualt battery, whatever you want to call it. this was ILLEGAL and he would have been charged had she spoken up sooner. Tah that was in your original post.

Amanda - posted on 11/09/2011

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Since it seems that the number of hits is now the issue, No where is there any law limiting the number of swats a parent is allowed to give nor is there a limit as to how long time out last or how long someone is grounded.

Meggy I never read heard or saw anything saying she was bleeding after this episode...... I could be mistaken and if THAT WAS THE CASE you are correct you can't "beat anyone til the bleed" but if that wasn't the case then it isnt really pertinent here....

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/09/2011

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Not even in Texas are you allowed to beat a person til they bleed. I used to live there and for the most part Texan parents like all other parents in the US aren't supposed to beat their children.

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you don't fucking beat a PERSON twenty times with a belt. you just don't. once or twice, three times if it makes you tight or something, but twenty??? that is fucking assault. no fucking reason to put that kind of pain on someone FOR SOME DAMN MUSIC. wtf...

Barb - posted on 11/09/2011

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But that still doesn't answer to the fact that he WOULD HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH ASSAULT if she had shown this video in a timely fashion. So obviously, the way he used the belt on her was not within his legal limits of being able to punish his child.

Amanda - posted on 11/08/2011

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Actually in Texas parents can legally spank their child with a hand, belt or paddle they are not allowed to use deadly force. There are countries where some of the foods we eat are illegal. I would have to look it up. My point is laws vary considerably depending on where you are and actually all though clearly some don't agree technically what he did is not illegal.

Kelina - posted on 11/08/2011

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But in the place where she lived, that's considered battery. which makes it illegal. I'm curious too, where can you get arrested for giving your child what kinds of food?

Amanda - posted on 11/08/2011

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Kelina it depends on where you are in the world as to whether something is illegal or not. There are some places where giving your child certain kinds of food can get you arrested.....

Amanda - posted on 11/08/2011

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I agree with Tah as a nurse you aren't going to go to jail or be fined if your patient steals or destroys something you can as a parent. You are ultimately responsible for everything your kids do until they are 18. Some people respond well to being grounded, or even lectured (90% of the time all my mom had to do was give me an ugly look and say I am disappointed in you and I was done) my dad totally different story) and some people will continue to push buttons and break rules and laws even after enduring EVERY possible form of punishment under the sun.... Everyone is different and we have no clue as to what forms of punishment her parents had already tried and didn't work.

Kelina - posted on 11/08/2011

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I guess the issue is where does discipline end and abuse begin. Personally I think doing anything you can get arrested for is going too far...

Tah - posted on 11/08/2011

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let me better explain why i dont think she got the mercedes because he felt guilty, because he took it away because of her failure to live up to things that were expected of her, finishing school, becoming employed gainfully, if these were guilt gifts then they wouldn't have been resended pending what they deem her failures in life or shortcomings because their expectations of her to suceed would not have been the reason she received them in the first place....she would still have her car and her monthly stipend if it was for guilt...lets say i slap you and then give you a lollipop, but i take it back because you didn't finish your dinner, chances are it wasn't for the slap that i gave you the lollipop, it was probably because i a) wanted you to finish your dinner or B) thought you had finished your dinner. if it was because i felt guilty for slapping you then you would have kept the lollipop regardless of if you finished or not. so the thing with your friend, while sad, i dont think is the same thing as this...at all...

Tah - posted on 11/08/2011

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well meggy thats why its a debate, because we have differing views and opinions. parents have power but they also have a responsibility for their children that police dont have, judges don't have, the lawmakers dont have. The only person repsonsible for your child is you, so you do have the right to discipline them in ways that a cop can't, the neighbor can't the nurse at the hospital can't. m not saying parents should abuse their power im saying that the responsbility to the child is different han that of someone who isn't a parent...thats my point and to jaime..its always possible, i just dont think thats why she got it...anywho, maybe i just see my responsibilities as a parent as different than those of a police officer, its not the police officers job to discipline my child, its mine. we can agree to disagree on it thats fine by me. I am not even trying to make anyone agree with me to behonest..lol. Doesn't matter one way or the other, i just see it differently than you and thats okay, makes the debate interesting

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actually, it IS possible that the gifts and babying otherwise were to cover up what he did to her behind closed doors. i have a friend who was abused when she was little by her step-father. i don't know what all happened, but i do know that he has been very doting since and his wife knows about what went on but didn't make any effort to fix it, or to reprimand him, and only my friend knows if he ever stopped. my friend was sexually abused, but still, being beaten can have just as many emotional repercussions, as with my mother who was both physically and sexually abused by her piece of shit now-ex husband.

as for the similarities between caretaker and parent, i can see what Meggy and Kelina mean by it. if you, as a nurse, as a caretaker, were to beat your patients, give them bad drugs or whatever, etc, you would be at fault, regardless of what the patient did to "deserve" such treatment, because yes, the patient was in your care and you beat them. parents are their children's caretakers, and thus they are responsible for their actions in regards to discipline. if they over-discipline their children to the point of blood and bruises, they are at fault.

i think the biggest question is the one that STILL has not been answered: HOW is beating with a belt as many times as is shown NOT abuse??? hell, they don't even do that shit in prisons, not legally anyway. why is it okay to give a kid twenty lashes for being dumb?

why didn't he just cut her hands off like they would have in the Middle East or whatever, she wouldn't have been able to download anything ever again. shit...

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/08/2011

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Tah, IMO it does fit both as a care taker and as a parent. You are in a position of power and you shouldn't abuse that power.

Tah - posted on 11/08/2011

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her being sexually abused doesn't seem to fit here either. Of course it would not be okay that she was sexually abused and i doubt that her punishment for illegally downloading the music after being told not to do it would have had a consequence of her being sexually abused so i just dont get where that question is relevent and im sure you know noone here would ever think that to be okay. Now if she did mean people in postions of power the conparison still wouldn't fit because as parents we have different responsibilities to our children then again, a caretaker does to a patient or a police officer to a citizen/criminal whatever word you would want to use. Of course you can abuse your power in any situation but i do think your relationship and what responsibilities you have to them should be taken into consideration. I doubt the gifts were to wash away any guilt, i think they were because she is spoiled and he was well off and he bought his princess a mercedes...i think her having those things taken away because she wasn't living up to the conditions he placed on her, finish college, be gainfully employed werent being met and this is her having a good ole fashioned temper tantrum, so im sorry she doesn't inspire much sympathy from me. Yes i have been in an abusive situation before..no it wasn't my parents and yes i beleive he could have handled it better, but i just dont think i had the same reaction as some of you did...not saying he right and there weren't other options, i just feel differently

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I know Kelina. But I wanted to reply anyway. :)

The gifts were obviously to wash away his guilt and maybe bribe her. But if you take away the bribes this is what can happen

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Many abusers also confuse the abused by making them feel they NEED the abuser. Just gives the abuser more power. I wasnt a bit surprised that the judge, elected official, also spoiled her with material things. Doting father, right? Proof again we never know what goes on behind closed doors.

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I wasn't diresting that at you lol, I was more askignt he people who seem to think it's ok. I do find it hard to sympathize with her not having everything handed to her anymore, but regardless my feelings were that some people didn't really care what happened to her because she was so spoiled and that's not right.

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Thanks Kelina :) You were correct. You're in a position of power when you take care of someone, you're not supposed to abuse that power by assaulting someone reguardless of their activities.

I do find it hard to sympathize with her getting her Mercedes and her allowance taken away. I haven't had allowance in years and right now DH and I share a rusty 93 Olds Acheiva. But hey it still runs and has heat and A/C which is more than I can say for the '03 Alero I sold my brother before I moved. :D

I would feel for her no matter what type of abuse she suffered. I went through an abusive marriage and I don't feel it's right to subject someone to any type of abuse.

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I'm also curious to know if this video was of him sexually abusing her would you feel the same way? that it was ok because he was punishing her for doing something illegal, or find it hard to sympathize with her because she's having her allowance cut off and her mercedes taken away?

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It's more to the point of why isn't this considered abuse. Because if a police officer used excessive force on a criminal and it was deemed excessive force the police officer would be convicted.

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i dont get the police officer reference...or the care aide reference, now as a nurse i am responsible for them to a certain extent while they are in my care but im not responsible for the way they turn out or their actions, if one of my patients illegally downloads music or breaks a window, noone is gonna knock on my door with a pair of cuffs for me and the same goes for the cops....now again, im not saying what he did was the best response but those references, to me at least, dont apply.





Also if you want to debate the death penalty you can start a thread on it so yes lets get to the topic at hand...

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Amanda, I'm glad I moved out of there myself. I wouldn't go back there if you paid me. There are thankfully enough nice normal people who live there to make up for the crazies, but the crazies are the ones who speak the loudest.

If you can't or won't debate the death penalty or Perry then go back to debating how using a belt repeatedly on your child isn't abuse or assualt. Because I know for a fact if I did that as a care aide to a resident I'd be cited for abuse and lose my license. Same with a police officer. If a cop used excessive force on a suspect and it was proven then he or she would lose her badge. Why shouldn't it be the same for a parent? I don't really care that your parents did it and that makes it ok. White sepremisists teach their children to hate other races and cultures and teach them it's okay to attack those people. Does that make it okay?

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Texas is a predominately conservative state. I am not going to debate Rick Perry here because THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS DEBATE IS ABOUT. However I will say in the case of the death penalty "playing God" started with the people who have no regard for human life so no I don't care about theirs and they have the opportunity to say good bye to their loved ones a chance robbed from their victims and they can make their peace with God. I am sorry for those who are wrongly convicted and executed but they are few and far between. The death penalty exists to protect our families and you don't have to agree with it but the majority of Texans do and will fight to keep it here. So in that aspect I am very glad you don't live here. Good Day

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Either way you're playing God by deciding who lives and who dies. There's always a chance that the death sentance is wrong and the evidence is faulty or was tampered with. Just look at Rick Perry's record in Texas. There was a man who was innocent, there were people reviewing the evidence to prove he was inncocent yet Perry rushed the execution. What I find funny is that most of the States that have the death penalty are also very conservative and religious.

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assault and battery is a crime everywhere, against all ages, regardless of what the "laws" say.

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