new york legalizes gay marriage

Tah - posted on 06/25/2011 ( 62 moms have responded )

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With the stroke of a pen just before midnight on Friday, Governor Andrew Cuomo legalized gay marriage in New York, making the state the sixth and by far the largest to have a same-sex marriage law on the books.

The victory is all the more remarkable because it comes just two years after gay marriage supporters badly miscalculated their support in the same chamber, watching their same-sex marriage bill go down by a 24-to-38 margin after a dramatic floor debate.

Gay rights groups were optimistic that a vote this year would not share the fate of the 2009 bill, although Friday's passage came after days of debate among Republican senators on whether to hold a vote on the measure at all. But that internal discussion occurred against a larger backdrop of social change and political forces that made the passage a same-sex marriage bill easier this time around.

In contrast to the uncoordinated campaign gay-rights groups launched in 2009, advocacy groups joined together under the banner of New Yorkers United for Marriage and organized a massive operation on the ground and over the airwaves. And this year's push was led by popular Governor Andrew Cuomo, whose leadership stood in sharp contrast to that of former Governor David Paterson, who seemed feckless to many gay rights advocates in 2009.

As older New Yorkers passed away and younger ones with more tolerant attitudes took their place, the percentage of voters in favor of gay marriage kept on going up and up, from 37 percent in 2004 to 58 percent at the beginning of this month.

Those numbers, according to Quinnipiac University pollster Maurice Carroll, made gay marriage in the state "inevitable" in the long run. Earlier this week, Ruben Diaz, Sr., a Democratic state senator and Pentecostal reverend who staunchly opposes gay marriage, used that same word.

But in the Senate chamber where Diaz serves, the fight for same-sex marriage rights had long looked like an uphill struggle. The measure needed 32 supporters to pass, and with Diaz as the only of 30 Democrats opposed, gay rights activists needed to pick off three Republicans -- and perhaps a fourth to provide political cover -- for the measure to pass. With strong opposition from many members of the Republican caucus that controlled the body, few senators looked as though they could be won over. New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who gave $900,000 to Senate Republicans, also pitched undecideds on his limited government perspective on same-sex marriage rights.

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AdvertisementEarlier in June, phone bank volunteers inside the New York City offices of the Service Employees International Union, which has supported the bill, were treating same-sex marriage as anything but an inevitability.

Over the course of two hours, Leone Kraus, who runs a blog about working in marketing "from the gay perspective" and describes herself as growing up in "a very conservative Catholic household" in MIchigan, made 75 calls in search of gay marriage allies.

That marketing experience showed. After a few answering machines, a constituent of state Senator Greg Ball, one of the critical few Republicans still publicly undecided at the time, picked up the phone. In a pleasant yet firm voice, Kraus convinced the voter to leave a short, polite message for Ball with an simple meaning: Gay marriage is something I care enough about to call.

Kraus and her partner Rebecca Hopkinson were campaigning for the bill under the auspices of New Yorkers United for Marriage, an umbrella coalition of LGBT rights groups that came together specifically for the same-sex marriage rights push. The Empire State Pride Agenda, the Human Rights Campaign, Freedom to Marry, Marriage Equality New York and the Log Cabin Republicans all joined forces in order to pass a gay marriage bill, in large part because Cuomo more or less forced them to earlier this year.

The organizing around the effort was very different in the midst of the last marriage fight. "There was no coordination back in 2009," Hopkinson said. Now she and her partner, along with dozens of other volunteers, used rapid dialing phone bank software that could patch people in directly to their senators -- a far cry from the personal cellphones they used two years ago. Their mere presence in the Midtown office building that hosts SEIU, moreover, was a testament to the vocal support of the state’s labor unions.

One Senate Democrat who flipped his vote from 2009 told the press recently that last time around, 79 percent of the people who contacted his office on the issue were against gay marriage. This time, the 4,839 of 6,015 people who called or wrote were in favor. "In the end, that is my vote," Senator Joseph Addabo, Jr. said.

"For us to personalize it makes it resonate more than just poll numbers," said Kevin Nix, director of the Human Rights Campaign. New Yorkers United for Marriage, the umbrella group, sent hundreds of thousands of pieces of mail and made hundreds of thousands of robocalls. The Human Rights Campaign alone deployed 30 full-time organizers and spent more than $1 million in the state.

The contacts gay rights activists and allies made with undecided Senators were personal and oftentimes philosophical. They were also demonstration of how electorally charged the issue may prove to be in 2012.

In the press conference to announce his support, Addabo cited the shifting poll numbers in his district. Both gay activists and those opposed to same-sex marriage have pledged to punish their opponents in the 2012 elections. Particularly ominous for the Republicans is the state Conservative Party Chairman Michael Long's pledge to withhold his endorsement of anyone who votes in favor of same-sex marriage rights.

Long has wobbled before on such pledges, but in New York, where small parties with big-sounding names wield outsized influence, the Conservative endorsement is oftentimes enough to send a Senate candidate over the top.

At least one Senate Republican, Roy McDonald, said that in the final assessment, he just decided not to listen to ultimatums from the Conservative Party and bombastic warnings from Roman Catholic Archbishop Timothy Dolan about the "ominous threat" of gay marriage.

“[F]uck it, I don't care what you think. I'm trying to do the right thing,” McDonald said when he announced his support for the bill earlier this June.

For those Republicans who weren’t so indifferent to the torrent of advocates from both sides attempting to sway their opinions, Cuomo had another ace up his sleeve: the support of the Gill Action Fund, which spent almost $1 million in last year's election defeating candidates who had opposed same-sex marriage last time around. That money, provided by Colorado multi-millionaire Tim Gill, demonstrated that any Conservative Party support would be matched by gay rights campaign dollars against them in the 2012 elections.

Much of this successful strategy was directed by Cuomo, whose popularity has not faded even after the announcement that his budget would cut 10,000 state jobs. Cuomo made same-sex marriage one of his top legislative priorities and the high poll numbers and groundswell of support from ordinary New Yorkers might have made little difference without his determination.

On Thursday, Cuomo and his staffers wrapped up negotiations with three Senate Republicans over one final knotty issue that had prevented a floor vote until then -- the question of how many exemptions should be granted to religious groups and individuals who oppose gay marriage.

With that deal made, Sen. Stephen Saland (R-Poughkeepsie) announced his support for the measure on Friday night during the floor debate. The mass of people gathered inside the iconic Stonewall Inn cheered Saland on, even as he dryly detailed the technicalities of the religious exemptions.

The Stonewall crowd was even more enthusiastic for the second last-minute convert to support gay marriage, Sen. Mark Grisanti (R-Buffalo), who gave the bill its fourth Republican backer.

"I cannot legally come up with an argument against same-sex marriage," Grisanti said during floor debate. "Who am I to say that someone does not have the same rights that I have with my wife, who I love, or to have the 1,300-plus rights that I share with her."

The people at Stonewall went wild. Grisanti had recognized the logic of the phrase "marriage equality": Marriage was simply a right, one that no legal gymnastics could take away.

And then, just before he announced that he would vote in the affirmative, he said: "I cannot deny a person, a human being, a taxpayer, a worker, the people of my district and across this state, the State of New York, and those people who make this the great state that it is the same rights that I have with my wife."

Then, at 11:55 p.m. on Friday night, Governor Cuomo signed the Marriage Equality Act into law.

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Tah - posted on 06/29/2011

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Marina..its more than just my upbringing..in my studies of other beliefs I just found that christianity was right for me. One reason I like coming on com is because I meet people I wouldn't any other place..for instance..I'm at work..sitting on a heating pad as it were for my back in the breakroom..lol and everyone in here beleives in God...as a matter of fact I work in a catholic hospital system where we huddle and pray every morning and there is a chapel inside the building so COM is another world for me.mostly good..so the same way it shocks people to hear views I have it kind of shocks me as well to hear what you ladies think..it doesn't offend me though..unless someone is being offensive of course..lol..I also try not to offend or judge but I. Do feel how I feel on certain issues....okay breaks over...lol

Julia - posted on 06/28/2011

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The bible also tells you not to eat shell fish. And it tells you that its ok to own slaves. Marriage is between two people who love each other.

Karli - posted on 06/26/2011

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I think marriage should be between two people who love and care about one another. I would be very angry if some stranger had told me that I couldn't be married because they disagreed with it. Who the hell are we to tell someone else they can't be married to the person they love?

Isobel - posted on 07/01/2011

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so...why THAT part of the Old Testament and not the rest of it? Christians don't eat kosher. They don't believe in stoning people to death (well...I think most don't). They mix fabrics, and wear jewelery.



Why is this one sin so much worse than those? God pretty clearly said shell fish was to be LOATHED...not just avoided.



AND...How should your religion get to determine MY human rights? If my religion said that women can't learn to read, does that mean that I can demand that schools kick all girls out?



You don't get to vote on human rights, if people did It would still be legal to rape and beat your wife, women wouldn't be allowed to vote and (African Americans?) would still be sitting on the back of the bus.

Tah - posted on 06/29/2011

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This isn't an argument..it a debate...lol..but okay, I'll leave it alone I don't want to make you uncomfortable, but by all rights, it's a community where views will vary and differ and be challenged and more so as it grows...

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~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/01/2011

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Ok, this has gotten completely derailed, lol. I think part of the reason homosexuals want to get married, is that the state DOES recognize it, and also in emergency situations, the partner has a say in what happens with their spouse. That can be very important. It is very important.

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Barb started it!:) She made reference to some book earlier in the posts so I figured I'd add to it. So in that instance log=shlong or penis or dick or weiner or whatever your favorite term is...

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hey heather naw...I know you. I know what you mean. I was big ass pms'ing. didn't know it til surprise...hello period today.

anyway...I think people interpret the bible as they see fit for themselves. whatever works for you is fine with me. as long as people keep the hate iside their bodies where it can fester like a bad growth and eventually burst and they make asses of themselves. no, don't really want that. jsut wish people didn't use the bible to defend beliefs of hatred. we do all ahve the right to live according to the bible as we choose, or not choose to and all for that. not all for skewing it to suit passing judgement on others.

and hey guys...this IS a debating forum right? we can disagree without having to agree to it.

example...I say amy is a cracker. she might disagree. too bad. she's still a cracker IMO and debates really when it comes down to it are our opinions in the final end, right?

so get the gloves out. but lets be nice. and finally...a real debate here. its all been hey I agree with you lets chat about shit.

heather whats with the log thing. plz enlighten this canuck.

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Vicki i probably should have put the word abnormality in quotes. Medicine has proven through brain scans that a gay persons brain is different than a straight persons. If I recall the program I saw on discovery channel a gay persons brain has a fold in it that a straight person doesn't have. I would have to find that info to confirm though as my memory is not so good any more. Damn kids stole my memory.

Tah - posted on 06/29/2011

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You've explained clearly...we just disagree..which is okay as you said..but it's fine..have a good sleep...I hope I will after I get this towel hot enough...lol...

Constance - posted on 06/29/2011

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it is a debate but when we mix our religions it can cause hard feelings and I prefer to just leave at agree to disgree. Cause for the most part we agree. I like it to stay as healthy debates we are in butin this cas we are going in circles. Maybe if I seep on it I will be able to explain my point more clearly.

Constance - posted on 06/29/2011

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I am not looking for an agruement. You have your opinions I have me. I do not believe that someone or something should be able to determine whethe or not someone can marry who they love.

Tah - posted on 06/29/2011

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If they are raising their children the way they intrepret the bible, maybe they aren't lying but telling their truth, and my understanding and interpretation may not be the same as another Christian, or the same as a Catholics..wouldn't make me a liar...I guess it would just make me and what I do..different

Constance - posted on 06/29/2011

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I say it is hiding because anyone who says they raise their children by the word of the bible is not completly telling the truth.. The decide which part to teach and onlywhat they tink makes sense. As i said it is in my opinion and someon doesn't have to agre with me and that is fine.

Tah - posted on 06/29/2011

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But if they believe it because the bible says so and they believe in the God of the bible and the bible..why does it become hiding???I guess I don't get how it's hiding anymore then people who believe certain things about child rearing that they read in a book or online and raise their children by it and say where and why they agree are hiding...I guess it just doesn't make sense to me because it's not hiding, it's their belief...

Constance - posted on 06/29/2011

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I have a way of lookng at things the way others do as well. When I have a belief I say it is my belief not because the bible says so. That is my personal opinion.

Tah - posted on 06/29/2011

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I don't think it's hiding behind it as much as believing in it..people always say hiding...I never get why it's hiding if it's something you truly believe in..

Amy - posted on 06/29/2011

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even if most people think it's to be just between man and woman, not all see it that way. hence making it equal. it's not really harming anything, right? it's just made it legal for state to recognize it. i'd be married to my husband with or without the piece of paper. but sure makes life easier having that paper.

Constance - posted on 06/29/2011

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I wasn't directing directly at you. I was directing it at people who believe it is a choice and they are going to burn in hell. Then want to hide behind the bible and say it is God's way

Tah - posted on 06/29/2011

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Me saying that I think marriage is between a man and woman is not judging..me saying all gays are gonna burn in hell and they need to banished etc etc etc, is a judgement...I don't believe that anymore then I believe all catholic priest are going to heaven. I'm not perfect, and I have sinned, so I can't judge that, I also never said it was choice..that's a whole different debate..lol..i am not all up in arms about it either..I found the article and thought it would be a good debate..I really don't even discuss it outside of here..lol.

Amy - posted on 06/29/2011

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my thoughts and comments: that's way too much for me to read. comments and the post. love y'all. love em all. Why not equality?

after all, homosexuality isn't a new thing. hello, ancient rome and other civilizations. alexander the great was gay. he had a shitload of rights.

if married and committed to each other, i don't see any reason they shouldn't get same things straight people do. will have to read all the rest of the stuff later.

religious aspect. pretty sure god asked us not to judge - to let him be the judge and for us to love one another despite any faults. a sin is a sin. love is love. ;

Constance - posted on 06/29/2011

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I know people st on both sides of this. I am Catholic and I have strong beliefs but I don't have to agree with everything in my faith.

I will not say homosexuality is a chemical imbalance at all. This is how I look at it because it isn't a choice you are born straight, gay, or bi. For anyone who thinks it is a choice this is the actual way to know it is not a choice.

I know when I growing up that my mom wanted me to get married. When I was old enough to be attracted sexually it was fo men not women. My mom never told me I was supposta like men I just did. The same when someone is homosexual they aren't told the bible says you are supposto to be attracted to the opposite sex. They just have sexual feeling for the same sex.
I even had a friend tell a bunch of people. "Why would I choose to be hated by my own family? Why would I choose to be attacked by the public? Whywould I choose to be called a faggot? If I could change who I am I would bu this is who I am and I do love who I am. I just wish the hate would disappear."
He is right why would someone choose to be hated and made fun of? Please just look at it through their eyes and feel from their hearts. We all feel pain and hate in one form or another. Hate is hate. Telling someone they don't have right to be married to the person they love is hate. Even in the bible there is more hate that has been put in it than love. You cannot say God loves ll of his children and in the same breath say he will condem for who you are. That is not the God I love. He or She is loving and caring and hate should never be connected with God ever.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 06/29/2011

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I will try to find the study...yes, but certain areas light up for certain things. Like sexual pleasure, attraction, reading, writing, even if you are left or right handed. If you and I are both reading something at the same thing, the same part of our brain gives off signals or something...same for talking.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 06/29/2011

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I am very for gay rights, so this has really made me happy. I think anyone who is in love deserves the chance to marry.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 06/29/2011

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Vicki, it actually is a different chemistry balance, or chemical balance in the brain. Some people do indeed consider it an abnormality in the brain.

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well my people don't eat shellfish. but my people do seem to love a good chinese buffet and dive for the crab and shrimp first so go figure :)

heather it hasn't been proven to be an 'abnormality' in the brain but it has proven to be something people are born as. if its not abnormal it can't be an abnormaility. your obviously not homophobic according to your post so I'm gonna go with this as a semantics thing.

and in toronto there is a church that does marry GLBT people (did I get all the acronyms in there? not in right order am sure anyway) by a minister that is also gay. but that's ontario and not a state. how do I stick my tongue out sign?

Tah - posted on 06/29/2011

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Why are people apologizing for their beliefs..lol, don't...I won't be, if you agree that's your right...

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Sorry Tah but I'm with the others. Yes you heard it right this Republican sitting here playing with, well I don't have a log so I'll borrow one, hubby's log does not have a problem with gay marriage. I do have a problem with the Daily Show though, sorry Barb I just can't stand Jon Stewart.



Julia you are absolutely right. Homosexuality is not a choice. It has been medically proven that it is some sort of an abnormality in the brain.



Now I am not religious rarely went to church and never have been baptized, guess I'm going to burn in hell.

Any way if gays and lesbians are getting married in a civil union by a JP, what's the big deal? Why are "church go'ers" so up in arms over this when these people are not getting married in a church in a religious ceremony? I don't get it. Maybe it's me being ignorant to religion... Enlighten me...

~♥Little Miss - posted on 06/28/2011

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I am so thrilled about this! I cannot wait to see all the other states follow suite! It shouldn't surprise me Tah that you are not for it....especially with your upbringing...but I still and surprised.

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I agree with you Tah. The Bible says that marriage is suppose to between a man and a women and that is what I believe. I do not believe that homosexuals are evil or deserve to have hatred poured upon them.

Constance - posted on 06/27/2011

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It another step in the right direction. now we have to keep the ball rolling. Time for the US to come out of 18 century.

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Tah you and I agree on many things BUT religion and same sex..(did I miss a topic?)

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Tah you and I agree on many things BUT religion and same sex..(did I miss a topic?)

Tah - posted on 06/26/2011

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Really, I've seen it often..lol...the race issues..heck I'm usually the only black one in attendance..lol. Spanking..goodness..I'll leave it there. Religion, never knew there were so many atheist in the world until I got on here. Apparently I'm also delusional for being Christian, who knew.. If I was ever not outnumbered I'd be shocked..lol..Beth got you tied up....

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It just threw me off I don't usually see you on the outnumbered side of a debate, well I haven't been on very many debates recently though so that could be why.

Tah - posted on 06/26/2011

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Kaleigh, me being outnumbered bothers me..none..not a tad..lol, but you are right, I'm not judging them. My neighbors are lesbians and I sit outside and joke with them often, I work with people that are gay, school with them, I don't care. People are people. I do have beliefs people don't agree with. I also have a loving and caring heart, no matter what others may think, it goes along with my freedom to believe what I like, same as anyone else...



Pagan...thanks, glad you love me, all this time I thought, well I thought you wanted to give me a heart attack..lmbo, also..I never said it was choice, I just stated my beliefs. Who am I to judge..no one, so I haven't.

Barb - posted on 06/26/2011

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Aww Julia!! Congrats to your brother and BIL.. May they have many more years of happiness

Julia - posted on 06/26/2011

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UMMMM Hello!!!! I just got back from our Nations Capital during Gay Pride week to witness my big brother marry the man that he has been with for 20 yrs!!!! It was one of the proudest moments of my life!!!!! A couple of weeks before that my brother in law legally adopted their little boy and on the birth certificate it states parent 1 and parent 2. My brother's are the most loving parents to their little boy (who was turned down for adoption by 3 straight couples before my brother got him)

I say it is about damn time and the rest of the US needs to get with the damn program!

By the way Tah at their marriage ceremony the JotP made sure it was well known that it was a CIVIL LEGAL ceremony and NOT a religious one. If that makes you feel any better...

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 06/26/2011

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" bleeding, beating heart filled with care and love"
Not just a bleeding heart.

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" bleeding, beating heart filled with care and love"
Not just a bleeding heart.

Barb - posted on 06/26/2011

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I think it's AWESOMEEEE.. And like Brittany pointed out, it will add equality for us all. Rights should be for individuals.



I mean hell, the main reason Doug and i got married was so i could be on his insurance. If he had the right to add me, just because it was his right, i don't know that we would be married. It wouldn't change our commitment either way.



Marriage is a legally binding contract between individuals recognized by the government. Once you leave religion out of it, there is no reason to legally deny it to anyone for any reason.



This is where religion shows intolerance, suppression, or forcing their beliefs on unwilling individuals. And if we allow Christian based religions to enforce laws based on their doctrine, how far down the line are we from having a Muslim majority enforcing their doctrine?



And in reading this article i have to come to grips with my own immaturity because reading "log cabin republicans" made me think of a bunch of republicans in a cabin playing with each other's "logs" Yeah, i'm a dork that way and i blame it on watching The Daily Show.

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Tah's outnumbered this time how odd, but there you go you can disagree with something without being judgemental of it. They've recently started a thing to raise awareness in my city, seems like its homophobe central here and I think thats sad. I mean nothing wrong with disagreeing with it but people around here get downright ignorant about it, aside from being hurtful to the people they're judging its embarrassing for the rest of us how they carry on. I guess I'm biased though I don't know anyone who 'turned' gay so I really don't see it as a choice and I don't see why gay people should miss out on getting married or being parents just because they're wired a little differently. A friend of mine has two moms and shes perfectly fine, I really don't think gay marriage does any damage. Live and let live!

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shit about time. I mean c'mon it is ny! and proud to say toronto was the first city in all of n.america to legalize gay marriage many years ago. was a very happy day for me (saw it on the news while in italy actually...made me miss home, didn't understand what they were saying but in-laws told me). and a side point which is not relevant legalizing gay marriages is good for the city's economy. people from all over the states come to toronto during pride week to get married.

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