Smoking Pot

Wendy - posted on 01/16/2012 ( 119 moms have responded )

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Just courious how you all feel about teenagers say 15 16 smoking pot?? My 15 year old daughter does not every day but cpl times a week. Only weed nothing more that i know off or suspect, and yes im keeping a eye on it and questioning and talking to her all the time. I seriously have not much of a isue with it. I dont smoke it however i have in my early years tried it a cpl times. Alot of my friends smoke it and my husband also does. My older daughter 22 now smoked pot for 2 years on and off and now does not. I never treated it as much of a big deal as long as it was only pot. Im not against it obviously. I think alcohol has destroyed more lives and familys than weed ever will....Opinions? I have heard on some posts parents actualy drug testing there teenagers...Wow i would if i had any indicatation of harder drug use but for pot i find that extreem. If were all honest most of us have experimented in out teens...

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Tam - posted on 12/09/2012

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Hmm.. Let me just say making a big deal out of pot will get you NO WHERE. as its gotten me and my mom no where... 3 years of pushing me to get off of pot, yelling, screaming, Dr phil shows, Calling me a druggie and pot head.. Gotten me no where.. I just smoke more than ever know going through almost 100$ worth in a week. Best thing you can do is educate your child. Talking to them nasty(like my mom did) strains your relationship and will make your kid start getting high at home (like me) to make all the negative comments from my mom go away. Educate, educate, educate and love love love no matter what. Good to see that there are some knowledgeable mothers outhere. Unfortunately mine is not.

im 16 now and started when 14.

Jenni - posted on 02/23/2012

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I do understand that Tah. Maybe a bit of cultural/regional differences is causing my befuddlement, I'll admit that. It's just that in Canada (where I believe the OP is also from). The general view of marijuana is held to the same par, if not beneath the dangers of alcohol. Although of course, I'm sure it is not past the realm of possibility for it to be laced here. It's very rare. Almost unheard of.



I said in a joking manner that the reason may be the difference in potency. But I believe there is some truth to that. As a former partaker, I have sampled both here and across the border. And the difference is immense. (of course this is just based on my own personal experience). But there is a very distinct difference between US marijuana and Canadian marijuana when it comes to potency. In Canadian pot smoker snobbery, they often refer to American weed as "dirt weed". So perhaps, that is why "lacing" is a more common practice in the US.



I'm almost certain if you asked most Canadians about fears of marijuana being laced (those with experience with the drug) they'd laugh and say, "Why would someone waste money putting a more expensive drug in weed?"



Like I stated earlier, there *are* definitely still risks to smoking marijuana to consider. And dependency issues can have a negative impact on a person's life. But I know far more people who abuse alcohol and throw away their lives to that than marijuana.



Of course, it would be better for our children to never partake in any drug/alcohol because there are always risks involved. I believe Marina said something earlier that there are risks involved in anything. Extreme sports for example, skateboarding/snowboarding accidents, car accidents with young drivers, bike accidents. I guess I just don't believe in wrapping my kids in bubble wrap. It's about weighing the risks (of course). But I would say as far a marijuana goes (basing this on my own personal experience) the risks are generally low. They should definitely be considered and talked about with teens. But you'd be hard pressed to convince me that teens smoking pot is the cause of people becoming meth addicts. It's not the drug that is to blame as much as the person's emotional issues.



Normal people, the vast majority of people can smoke marijuana and never move onto harder drugs. Of course, there are those who are at risk of dependency issues on drugs. But it's not so much the drug, it's the person. If it wasn't marijuana that got them started, it would be something else.

Jenni - posted on 02/10/2012

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There are some dangers involved when it comes to teens and pot that need to be considered.



A little background on me, I use to smoke *A LOT* of pot in HS and as a young adult. I quit for a spell in my last year and a half of high school because it did indeed affect my school work. Basically, it made me tired all the time and I didn't feel like doing homework or school projects. I came from a very liberal home. My parents admitted to smoking it on occasion, especially in their teenage years. My mom even told me she didn't mind me smoking it and that she felt it was safer and a better alternative to alcohol.



My grade average jumped up 10-15% when I quit. I went from a C-B average to an A average. I felt more motivated and energized. IF a teen was only smoking the odd joint at a party, meh. But the problem is, if they're making it a daily habit which is very easy for it to become.



The other thing to consider is that there have been studies done that shows marijuana, specifically the high levels of THC in modern marijuana, can trigger mental illness in teens. 1/4 people are predispositioned for mental illness and when smoked in the teen years, the THC interferes with neural pruning (that the developing teenage brain is experiencing) and can trigger mental illnesses. Of course, marijuana alone doesn't trigger mental illness there has to be other factors as well. But basically, 1/4 people are increasing their risk of mental illness by smoking it during this very crucial time in brain development.



You also have to consider substance dependability. If you become reliant on the substance to make yourself feel better. I think this is why people call pot "the gateway drug". If your teen is smoking it once in a blue moon at a party, just for fun... for experimenting. There's probably little to worry about. If your teen is becoming reliant on any mood altering substance to cope with depression, low self-esteem, to gain confidence, this is where addictions are formed.



Overall, I see nothing wrong with teenage experimentation. I see something detrimental with dependency. Ensure that your child is emotionally fit, has healthy self esteem in areas of importance, has plenty of hobbies, has responsibilities, has a relationship with you built on trust, respect and honesty and is resilient to dependency.



Talk to them about the difference between dependency and experimentation. That experimentation can be fun and thrilling but dependency and daily use can effect their lives and health negatively.

Amy - posted on 02/06/2012

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pot is no longer the gateway drug. it's ritalin. ;) cuz every kid has it and every kid seems to have access. And way more bad things with that than with pot. oh no. i'm hungry. :D Anything if abused is bad for us. Sugar - diabetes. Alcohol - liver disease. Rx drugs - apparently blood clot stroke and death is a side effect of nearly every one of them. so...eh. my opinion is watch and be aware of what your kids are doing. I HAVE seen alcohol destroy more families than pot.

Jenni - posted on 02/23/2012

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There are many things teens "shouldn't be doing" but do. I'm definitely not saying I'd be celebrating the first time my kid tells me they smoked a joint. Of course, as a mother... I'd much, much prefer they wait until they are adults to try alcohol or marijuana. But is it a reality?



Even the best behaved, school council member, good grade, responsible teens I knew tried drinking or smoking sometime in their HS career. Of course, there were still those who didn't. But few. I guess it's similar to why I don't plan on preaching abstinence rather safety and consequences.



I agree with you Tah, that talking about all the risks are important. I just can't see myself, personally getting too worked up about it unless it becomes regular use and starts affecting their grades, lives, attendance etc. negatively. I think I'd be more up in arms about my teens having sex than smoking a joint. And driving impaired under any influence scares me to death. That is definitely zero tolerance. And I hope my kids always feel safe enough to call me if that's the only choice they feel they have.

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Jacky - posted on 06/11/2014

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I felt the need to comment because 'pot' aka weed now a days is a very social drug that is passed around in cliques, if you find your child smoking weed you should not assume their bad and blame everything they did wrong on weed, from personal expirence if you as a mother have not expirenced the drug first hand you cannot decide if its acceptable or not. If you have not tried the drug at least google and read up on it. Dont punish your kids for something that was bound to happen, talk to them and let them know you do not accept it and that you realize their is nothing you can do to stop them, because one thing we should all know is that regadless of what you say their going to do it, they will find a way. Weed is one of the most harmless drugs, its the most commonly used and it has no long lasting effects that will harm you. Happy is the feeling when one is high, forcing your kid to stop and drug testing them, and grounding them will only make them resent you, and most of the time it only makes the situation worse, they WILL smoke with or without your permission, they most you can do is make sure their aware of what can happen while on the drug and that you dont support them, the best you can do is wish them well because condemning them from doing something that makes them happy is only going to ruin the relationship between the two of you.

Susan - posted on 05/27/2013

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Hi...my son has been smoking pot for 2 years...tried to stop him..sent him to military school, came back started using...was getting more defianteand violent as it progressed. Jan had to send him to rehab. and he is there again now. He is so violent they are sending him to a hospital tomorrow for mental illness. I believe the pot thru him and his developing mind over the edge...schizoprenia maybe the issue here...I am so afraid pot may have changed him for life! Do not,,,, I repeat do not, let your children do pot. I dont want another parent having to go to thru this nightmare, that I am going thru...

Tery - posted on 03/24/2013

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My boyfriend when I was 16 (he was 18) became Paranoid Schizophrenic. He smoked A LOT of pot. So was it induced by pot smoking? He tried other drugs as well, and he was also 18 years old, which is the typical onset age for Schizophrenia in men. So, who knows? It still scares me, because there is concern out there about a possible connection between pot use and Schizophrenia, and I don't like that kind of risk.

My son knows this, and we have always loved him, informed him and told him smoking pot is risky because 1) the possible schizophrenia connection 2) the fact that your brain is still developing and therefore more effected by anything you put into your body that reaches it 3) It's illegal. However, he still has smoked pot. Why? Because his friends do and it's an accepted thing in general among teens right now. Do I want him to smoke pot? No. Can I control him at age 16? No. Do I want to butcher my relationship with my son over this, alienating him and trying to control him? No. What I want is for him to stop, so that he is safe. But the older they get, the less control we have over them. Bottom line is, him stopping smoking weed is not my decision, it's his decision. Scares the hell out of me that he is making that decision with an as-yet-not-fully-developed judgment part of his brain, but reality is what it is. All I can do is to continue to love him and point out the possible consequences of different decisions he might make, and tell him what I would like him to do, out of caring for him.

No kids want to screw up their lives. Not one of them. A lot of them make stupid decisions and end up screwing themselves. I think as a parent it's my job to go on the "Supid Journey" with them, walking by their side, understanding their point of view, validating what about it makes sense and pointing out what does not, and knowing that they are in a stage of life where they are going to make some stupid decisions. Hopefully those decisions will not be life-altering ones. It's scary as hell.

I feel like all I can do is draw boundaries to make our home a drug-free and illegal-free zone, which I do, and educate our son about the consequences he could face if he does this. Will it get through? I think their own experience and what their friends tell them gets through to teenagers way more than anything we as parents tell them. This is a scary freakin' reality but there it is.

I so appreciate the teens who post on here. I already know what mothers say and think, generally speaking. I am a mother! But it's so helpful for me to read how teenagers think about this. It helps me to understand and approach my son effectively. So, teenagers, please keep posting.

As in ALL human relationships, communication is key.

Chris - posted on 02/15/2013

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@Tam, I know your post is old but I think that even if your mother is nagging you, it's because she loves you and is scared for you. Nobody is perfect and I think in a few years maybe you will find out that she just wanted the best for you.

Chaya - posted on 02/09/2013

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My daughter tried marijuana, she isn't interested in trying it again because it didn't do much for her. She isn't allergic, so I don't have much to say about it. She lives with friends because her school is two hours away each way from my place, she opts to live with friends instead. She gets good grades, she does what she needs to do, if she needs to be somewhere, she goes there, if she uses pot, she knows the consequences. She'll be 18 in three weeks, if she wants to use it, it's legal here. (Washington State)

Kris - posted on 12/08/2012

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I would probly get mad, and yell at her, and tell her she's making a stupid decision, then turn around and say if you're going to smoke it, you're gonna smoke it at home.



With the way things are these days, the last thing I want is for something to happen to her because her pot was laced. And she'll smoke it wether you approve or not, so the safest choice would be for her to do it at home. She'll feel safe, and you'll feel better knowing that she's in a familiar place, and nothing bad can happen to her.



I honestly don't have a problem pot. I mean, how many people have you heard of that have killed someone else driving down the road cause they were going too fast, or couldn't see the lines or an oncoming vehicle or a big frikkin red sign or light? Not many. At least I haven't. I know a couple of guys that literally smoked themselves stupid, but they were more or less harmless.



I'd be more worried about her drinking or doing harder drugs. Those can seriously hurt you, and others. I think I would give my kids a drug test if I thought they were doing something harder then pot. Around where I live, there's so much bad stuff happening to those who do drugs, because those that make it either don't know what they're doing, or they lace it with too much or the wrong thing. Not to mention the damage it can do to your mind and body.



I do agree that's she's a bit young, but I was around 15 when I started smoking it, but I stopped after just a couple months. All I did was eat, and I would eat too much and end up throwing up. I didn't like that, so I didn't feel like smoking it anymore. A lot of the times, young teens who start smoking pot end up quitting. They only smoke it cause their friends do. However if he's complaining of pain.....lol.



It would all depend on who she's getting it from, how she's getting it, and if she's willing to smoke it at home. I would most likely tell her that if waits til she's "whatever age", that I won't give her a hard time, as long as it's not an excess amount. I know that probly sounds like bad parenting, but it would be better then resentment and spitefulness, and disobdience, and possibly jail time.

Christal - posted on 12/02/2012

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She's too young and should just wait until she's eighteen but KUDOS to you for being so involved. That's why she'll be fine -because you're a good mom.

Karen - posted on 10/04/2012

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I believe that current studies have shown that there is a higher incidence of schizophrenia amoung youths that smoked pot. Plus, brains are not fully developed until mid-20's. Besides the fact that it is illegal (and you could possibly be held liable as she is a minor), why would you allow your child to and participate in limiting her potential? Isn't it our job as parents to help our children maximize that potential? What could your older child and others with whom you've come into contact have accomplished if they didn't use these substances in their teenage years?



I also think that the totally wrong message is sent if breaking the law is condoned. It's hard to take a stand on things when you've already told them that just because you don't agree with a law that you can just do as you please. Yes, we all did wrong things as kids but our parents were not co-conspirators...they continued to tell us it was illegal/wrong and the end choice was up to us. By teaching them that it's fine to pick and choose the laws they wish to obey not only won't fly in a court of law but could lead to them choosing to pick and choose in other situations, too. Those situations could be much more serious but avoidable had they not been led to believe that their point of view is the only thing that matters.



And honestly, I disagree that "most of us have experimented" - maybe in the circles you ran in, but I think those are very limited and more of a justification than evidence that it is somehow OK.

Wendy - posted on 09/03/2012

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Hi girls just thought i would look in on this post.....lol...Wow! it got allot of responses. I have not been on com for months now busy busy busy....Update: She is still smoking pot however everything else has changed. She finished off last year of school grade 10 with marks of 70 and 80 Wow! Her temper is much better controlled, she is in for curfew, respectable in the home, her and dad are getting along way better, all in all life is allot quieter around here.....lol...She plans on getting all the awards she can in the next 2 years of high school and go on to college....She has matured allot over the last year...Very proud of her.....she has found balance and i hope she will eventually give up pot but for now at least she is smoking it as responsibly as possible....thanks for all input it all helped....I hope this conversation also was benificial for some of you raising teenagers.....

Annabelle - posted on 08/06/2012

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My best friend was raised in a home where smoking pot was like having a glass of wine after a long day at work. So as an adult she lives the same way as do her siblings. They do not carry it with them ever and they are in no way "pot heads" but they do smoke it probably 5 times a week. It is not my cup of tea the smell makes me sick. And I would never allow my kids to do it in my home or at all while they are living under my roof. I don't agree with your daughter freely being allowed to participate in this - even if her dad does it and she knows about it, he is the parent/adult she is the kid - I smoke cigarettes but until my kids are out of my house and don't need my money they can't.

Chaya - posted on 08/04/2012

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Marajuana is a far more potent drug today than what was available in the past years. Please get your daughter some help. Once she's an adult, she should make that decision without you

Kari - posted on 02/26/2012

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My husband also smokes pot. We have discussed what if our kids want to try it when they get older? Mine are all under age 5 right now. But we have decided that if they want to try it they will have to wait til they are at least 16 and we have to supervise! I feel that if we want them to be honest with us we are going to have to be a little leinient(sp?) with them. I've tried it in my teen years and didnt like it. I go with the legal approach and I drink occasionally. If/when they want to try that they can do that at home with supervision. Only you know how you want your kids to do things.. there are going to be alot of people that do not agree.

Jenni - posted on 02/23/2012

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I think what I mean is, it's probably likely these kids wouldn't care (or care very little) about school, achievement, responsibility (what have you) regardless of smoking it or not.



Because I've witnessed all different experiences with marijuana. It's difficult for me to blame it wholly on the drug itself. I've known people who smoked it regularly in high school and still went on to be high achievers and responsible adults. Some of which still smoke it recreationally. I've known those who haven't but even before they started smoking it they never did well in school and were unambitious. To be blunt, some were just wastoids to begin with. So it sort of becomes a chicken/egg scenerio for me.

Tah - posted on 02/23/2012

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I totally agree that it is a symptom of bigger issues. As a teenager you never realize those things though, you are young and it's fun and cool and you make choices that you wouldn't make as an adult. We all do it as i said before, I have drank, Smoked pot and all the other things that we as teenagers have done and more. Now as an adult, I realize that these things were wrong and illegal and on a much bigger scale now than at 16 and 17. I see how they affected the people around me. Overdosing and Jail, Some who still haven't finished High school and we are what 30,31 now. It's sad to see. I like to think i have the insight to guide my children because i have been there and done that. Some things i have done i would dare not say on an open forum, never know whose watching..LOL. My son and I have a very open relationship and he talks to me about drugs, drinking,sex etc and I trust him to make good choices. I know he will make mistakes, we all have and i won't hold them against him and i will try not to judge him or throw it in his face, but he will know that i don't approve and why i don't approve.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 02/23/2012

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Selling and buying homework/papers is illegal, plagiarism is illegal, cheating in school can get you kicked out on both sides. So you may not like pot, which is illegal, but you were enabling them, and making money off of them illegally.

Jenni - posted on 02/23/2012

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Nice! lol Actually, many of the ones I knew didn't care enough about school to buy other people's papers. I think in their cases regular marijuana use was more of a symptom of larger issues in the home. Whether it be very permissive parenting, some form of neglect, child abuse, or emotional instability.



I *think* that's how I tend to view regular use of any drug. The drug is the symptom rather than the cause. So I think getting to the root of the larger issue that's leading a teen to be reliant on a mind/emotional altering substance would be better prevention. I'm not including experimentation, which for some teens it's normal to rebel, push social norms and take some risks to a certain degree.

Tah - posted on 02/23/2012

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see Jenni, the ones i knew who stayed baked were the ones i sold papers too because they didn't come to school and didn't know what was what when they did,,they bought my son alot of pampers i tell you that..lol..but yes, everyone and everywhere is different...

Amy - posted on 02/23/2012

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I have to admit. I am not one of the ones who experience/experimented. My parents talking to me and telling me horror stories of things that happened thanks to drugs or alcohol...I'm 30 now. Never been high, I've been tipsy! But never drunk. Could be my control over me personality. Whether my kids find a 'recreational use' of alcohol or pot is beside the point that it IS illegal at this point. To me it's like encouraging them to break the law to just ignore it's happening. I'm not going to be able to tell them 'been there done that'. I can't. And I won't try it because...holy hell, it's ILLEGAL!!! I don't think it's nearly as bad as Rx drugs. I don't. But I don't make the laws. If it's legal it could be a different story, but right now I'd be more concerned with them breaking laws than the actual drug use. Morals and all that. idk. cross the bridge when we get there.

Jenni - posted on 02/23/2012

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I totally agree Tah. If experimentation turns into regular use and it starts affecting grades and their lives negatively. It is time to seriously discuss with the teen, while letting loose at a party may be fun. There is always a time and place.



My parents were very open about marijuana. TBH, they didn't really give a rat's ass about it. It was me who had my head on straight enough to realize... ummm, I've got plans for college/univ. I need to get my ass in gear because if I don't get the best grades I can, I am putting limitations on my future. And I realized smoking it regularly was making me lazy, tired and lowering my ambitions. Quitting was never an issue, I didn't really miss it or anything.



At the same time I knew kids who were perma baked and maintained A+ averages. It definitely affects everyone differently.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 02/23/2012

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Yup, and her daughter is still using, but less and her grades have improved. She found a balance of what truly recreational use for pot is, and being functional. Good for her.

Tah - posted on 02/23/2012

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I understand that, but for the OP i think there were definite red flags. The fact that it was affecting her grades, which was proven by the fact that her grades went up when her use went down. The fact that she was using it to control her emotions was also something alarming, at least to me, because it may present a bigger risk.



And please don't get me started on sex..my 15 year old wanted to spend the day unsupervised at a girls house. A friend talked me out of bars on the windows..but we didn't discuss a gps tracking system in his shoes...lol

~♥Little Miss - posted on 02/23/2012

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I would be really glad that they told me about them smoking pot. it would mean that we had a really open relationship, and my kids felt they could talk to me about everything. Yeah, of course you talk about the dangers. That is a given, and yeah I think I would prefer smoking dope to having sex. I would not be doing my job as a parent if I did not discuss the dangers of ANYTHING my kids may do. But, they will be teenagers, and do things like we did. I would prefer they went about it with their heads on straight....if they will drink, I would rather know about it and have me come pick them up from a party than drive....if they smoke dope, for it to be in a safe environment, if they are having sex, to understand all about sex and proper protection.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 02/23/2012

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From state to state it varies Jenni on the offense of possession. Some states you can have a few joints, and nothing will happen. If you have a quarter bag or more, that can be looked at as "intent to sell/distribute" even if it is just for personal use, and you can get thrown into jail for that. California is so lax, they turn the other way, and is legal for sale as "medicinal purposes". In Rhode Island (I think it was within the past 2 years) they were trying to legalize it and almost won. Definitely from state to state the laws of possession vary.

Jenni - posted on 02/23/2012

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Yeah, it's not legal here yet. ;) Especially, with the Conservatives in power. It actually was decriminalized in Canada for a few months and then the Conservatives took power while it was still in the process and threw out the legislation. But it isn't enforced here like the US. So I guess we just have a more laxed attitude about it.



I have family/friends in the US and one of my parent's friends there went to jail for 6 months for having 3 joints on him. The most we get is a fine, if that. I've actually never heard of someone getting a fine even. It's usually just confiscated and the person is given a warning. When speaking about in the amount considered "personal use".



So yeah, that's true. We're all coming from different directions and experiences on this one. I think I would take it far more seriously if I lived in the US and my teen tried it, you're right.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 02/23/2012

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I cannot wait until pot is finally legal, it will be interesting to see everyones reaction THEN.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 02/23/2012

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"they should not be using anything that alters their mind or mood and for them to use it to help deal with emotions is a dangerous and very slippery slope. "



This will include but not limited to caffeine, sugar, tv, video games, add/adhd meds (which more and more kids are on), extreme activities to raise adrenaline (dangerous activities such as driving fast, stealing, sneaking into places) there are so many things that can alter someones personality. Even bullying can.



Personally, of all the things my kids can do wrong, illegal, pot is the most harmless of all of them. From alcohol, to prescription drugs, to other illegal substances, pot is the most harmless of all of them.

Tah - posted on 02/23/2012

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That's one way to look at it. Of course there are risk to everything, except the things you mentioned aren't illegal. You don't get put in jail if you are found with a bike..lol I guess i just don't get the comparison, it's apples and oranges to me. I am very open with my children, and they aren't wrapped in bubble wrap, believe me, but i still don't and won't condone drug use, or alcohol use for that matter. I know people who have had their pot laced. It was with what you call Angel Dust. One had a bad mental reaction to it and is walking around, to this day in my mother's neighborhood talking to himself. We all know people who have tried things and not been addicted. I smoked cigarettes maybe 2-3 times in my life, and never needed another. I smoked pot in my friends basement with her and her aunt and another friend. a she used to let us drink and at 13 I i could handle Peppermint and Peach Snapps. I had a friend who threw parties when her parents were at bowling league and we would sneak the mini bottles of alcohol because they had hundreds. I didn't become addicted and noone laced mine(Thank God) but i still wouldn't take it lightly if my child did it. I also think it is a regional difference because we are spread so far in all directions that yes, different drugs and trends, such as lacing the weed with other drugs, may be more widespread in other places.



Yes it has to do with the person and their state of mind, their predisposition for addiction etc, but the worst thing for me is that at that age, they should not be using anything that alters their mind or mood and for them to use it to help deal with emotions is a dangerous and very slippery slope. I think kids who are doing that would be more at risk to move onto something heavier when their emotions really heightened. I was watching Teen mom 2 and Janelle was all to pieces because she couldn't smoke weed, screaming and crying and she really needed a xanax. She went to rehab for that alone. Then she finds out that her boyfriend has moved from weed to cocaine a few times(so he says)..so it was just more of a affirmation to me that teens shouldn't be smoking pot, parents shouldn't encourage or allow it and that it can lead to other things...

Jenni - posted on 02/23/2012

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I believe there is *some* truth to it being a gateway for *some* people. But not in the sense that it causes normal people to move onto harder drugs.



It is the tricycle of drug use. It is the most easily available and cheapest of street drugs. So for those at risk for dependency issues it can be the first stepping stool. But I don't blame the drug, so much as the convenience of it being a starter drug. Many people who suffer from severe depression, other mental illnesses, self medicate. So I guess the question would be is it marijuana that's to blame for being a gateway or are those who go on to abuse harder drugs suffering from some severe type of emotional instability and attempting to self medicate?

America3437 - posted on 02/23/2012

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I think everyone here should just kick back and fire one up!!! 420 ladies....Oreo's are much better double stuffed!!!

Amy - posted on 02/23/2012

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No, i wasn't talking about you, though marina. I was talking about my mom. And pot DID get them into it. But they were adults, not kids. And every person is different. Back to original topic - I don't care what kind of drug it is. Hard as hard or gateway as gateway, I want my kids to be able to talk to me about it. MJ to Meth. Talk to me. Will I continue to let them use it? Can I really stop them? No, can't really just stop them, BUT I can sure as hell have them talk to my mom and dad about drugs, what trouble they can cause and how they sure as hell don't make problems of life go away. In fact, they usually add problems.



And barb....always right. Not all people or drugs are created equal. Can't just blanket one situation to everyone else's personal experience. And Statistics can always be skewed by whoever is doing the testing to make it swing their way.

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Not to put the fear of god into people or anything, but the kids that just threw their life away by murdering Bob, went to his house because someone had told them there was a half a pound of weed there. Didn't have to be true.



I do know people who smoke pot, hell, i'd like to be one of them. I have nerve damage and live in pain every day, but pot isn't legal. So let's see, take pain killers and get high so it takes the edge off the pain, or take marijuana and get high and it takes the edge off the pain? Side effects of the prescription pain killers? Liver disease, colon cancer, constipation, memory loss, intestinal disorders, diverticulitis, and colitis to name a few. Marijuana side effects? cotton mouth, munchies, friends are funnier.



I know people who have smoked pot and tried harder drugs, i know people who have smoked pot, tried harder drugs and came back to pot and never tried harder drugs again. i know people who have only ever smoked pot and swear by it and will never touch another a drug. I know a former nurse who never smoked pot but became addicted to prescription medication and when she lost her nursing license, turned to crack to feed her addiction. Who really knows which way it is going to go?



As Wendy pointed out, and i think it is a really good point, it isn't the drug, it's the addiction. the illness of the addiction, what is causing the addiction.. not the drug of the addiction.



And Marina, what size club do you use to beat that dead horse with?

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Yeah Amy, my biological father was a heroine addict. My mom had no idea until the cops came to her door, and you know what? It was not pot that got him into it.

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drugs are drugs. if my kid's doing ANYTHING [back to OT] I'd hope they're open enough to come to me. Evenif "only pot" - hell, i watched enough movies to know most drug dealers n friends either OD or ppl kill them for their stock. HEll, my mom was married to a crackhead/dealer for a year. Had a guy come to the door and her husband disappeared for 3 days then some guy comes looking for him - she's lucky she didn't get shot. Scared her enough to divorce n get out.

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@Wendy, I'm glad your daughter has curtailed her drug use and her grades have come up as a result..school is so important as well as learning to deal with your emotions without the use of drugs...good job to her...

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Jenni, i think Laura was just using her friend who is a meth addict as an example of how drugs can be laced, she then goes on to say that she had many friends who started using weed and moved onto something stronger...So i think her issue is with pot as well because to her many friends it was a gateway drug...



Laura, i also agree that associating with people who do drugs is putting yourself in a dangerous situation so why do it?...When i explain to my kids the dangers of drugs, i give them every danger i can think of..addiction, overdosing, bad reactions mentally and physically, the drug being laced etc..so if you know someone it happened to,then it's a valid point to me, because it is a real danger..

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Maybe it's because Canadian weed is so potent it doesn't need "helper drugs". lol

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But Jenni, I lived there for 10 years, and my son was born there and raised for half his life there, I guess I need to be concerned about him becoming a Meth head just by association.

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Last I heard, drugs were everwhere....not just in the state of Missouri, THAT is why ANYONE from ANYWHERE can have an opinion on drugs.



Just because you TRY a drug, does not instantly make them an addict.....hell, you could even be a casual pot smoker and not be an addict ever to anything. You could use prescription pain killers once, and be an addict for life. You could go to college and be in a fraternity, and become an alcoholic. you could binge eat and be a food addict. There is trouble everywhere...better keep your kids wrapped in cotton.

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Yes, you're right Laura. There is no meth in Canada, just like no working toilets.



Your issue is with meth. Not with marijuana. As scary of a drug meth is. MOST people are not open to dabbling in it. Teenager or not. Just because a teen is open to smoking marijuana doesn't mean they're open to throwing their life away by doing meth.



And the OP is not from Missouri. You are.



All I'm saying is that marijuana being laced with meth or other drugs is RARE. Maybe not in your region where if that's the case I would take extra procaution with your children. But most places it isn't common place.

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How does someone from Canada have a dog in this fight? I didn't know there was a meth outbreak in Canada.



You're right it's not a gateway drug when it's laced..my mistake. It is however, putting yourself in a dangerous situation when you associate with people who are doing drugs. And isn't this the topic of this forum to keep our kids (teens) off drugs. I don't want my naive kid going to a party to just smoke pot and end up addicted to meth...All I'm saying. So I will teach my kid to make sure the pot he is buying is safe. WTF?

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Oh good grief Laura, as much as there are concerns and I have no issue voicing those concerns as I did in my PP. Pot is by far one of the safest drug, as far as drugs go... on the market, as well as the black/grey market depending on what country you live.



There are far more side effects associated with many, many prescription drugs.



I am sorry about what happened to your friend, but the part of the "gateway drug" I don't buy is that it turns normal people into drug addicts. If it wasn't pot, it'd be something else. Drug abuse is often a symptom of a much larger issue in the individual.



Pot and alcohol just happen to be the cheapest and easiest to come by as far as drugs go. The drug itself doesn't lead to stronger drugs. You could even say that those who drink coffee have a higher risk of developing a taste for cigarettes. Therefore, coffee is the gateway drug to cigarettes. Or that no one should ever eat a chocolate bar, because chocolate bars lead to obesity.



I have known many, many, many, many people who smoke pot living here in Canada. And guess what? I have never known a meth addict in my life.



I am not a hardcore pot advocate. I have no alterior-motive to promote smoking pot. But I'm not going to spread misinformation about it either. I'd say the vast majority of people who smoke weed manage to without ever trying anything harder. Just like many people who drink alcohol manage to do so their entire lives without trying other drugs.

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???? Yeah no idea what you mean by that. Drinking serves no purpose, smoking cigarettes, eating junk food, drinking soda, caffeine I mean these are all LEGAL addictions right? Not one of them is good for you. What purpose do any of them serves??? Oh yeah....sometimes it serves for giving people happiness. Hell, at least pot is used medically.

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as with most advocates you cant validate what purpose it serves...trying to cover up some bad feelings I suppose

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