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?? - posted on 09/29/2009

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If it weren't for our health care... my neice would probably be dead and/or my sister still floundering in the debt that her medical bills would have amounted too.



Ayrielle is 19 months, almost 20 months old and has had 3 major heart surgeries, 4 minor surgeries, has to have a sedated echo every 2-3 months (depending on the results of the previous echo), has to take specific medication to keep her blood 'thin enough but thick enough and always healthy" so that her heart doesn't have ANY extra work.



October 16th will be her final - HOPEFULLY - heart surgery. My sister and her partner along with Ayrielle will have to take 2 weeks off work to go to Toronto's Childrens Hospital with Ayrielle, she will have a pre-op surgery on October 13th and then will have to stay in hospital for observation for as little as a week and as long as necessary if there are complications.



When Jade was 5 months pregnant she went for a routine ultrasound and the tech found an abnormality in the tiniest, most miniscule spot on the ultrasound. The tech said that didn't look right and set up appointments for Jade to go to Vancouver Children's Hospital the next day in order to get the proper tests done, and have up to date equipment available. That appointment showed that the baby's left ventricle was not developing properly - leading to numerous other problems. This is something that happens in 2 out of every 10,000 babies. It's not common at all, it's barely even heard of let alone discovered on a black and white crappy ultrasound machine by a tech who just thinks they saw something and would rather be safe than sorry.



So Jade, Jayson and my mom made a trip to Vancouver every other week until she was 8 months pregnant when they then sent her to Edmonton where the best doctor, surgeon, staff was available for the baby's condition. Jade gave birth on Feb 8th to a little girl who was rushed off into surgery. Imagine giving birth while you have the dr, nurse and 12 other people in the room waiting to take your baby away as soon as the umbilicle cord is cut only to be completely unsure of whether you will see your baby alive ever again.



Ayrielle was put on the heart transplant list, she was put on about 3 other lists as well while Jade, Jayson and the doctor had to decide what would be the best route for this lil girl. They stayed in Edmonton and Ayrielle was in hospital for the first 4 months of her life and in that time had 2 surgeries - 1 minor and 1 major. 2 months later, back to Edmonton for another major surgery. All the while Jade and Jayson had to stay in a hotel. With the help of different organizations available in Canada they didn't have to worry about transportation, accommodation and they were also given a living allowance for food and essential living necessities.





I can not imagine having to go through ALL OF THAT with my son AND having to worry about how to PAY FOR THE MEDICAL BILLS! And I can't understand for the life of me why ANY AMERICAN could EVER want to let someone have to worry about something like what happened to my sister just because there might be a few tools out there who will use the system.



It blows my mind how people who NEED the help - can't get it - because some people would rather bitch and complain and moan and whine and allow the users fuck things up for the people who GENUINELY NEED HELP.



And that doesn't even go into the people who have diseases and cancer and generally need help with medical bills that are beyond overwhelming. My grandma has MS and lives in hospital - my grandpa would never be able to pay for what she needs if she wasn't covered by medical. He still has to pay quite a bit for certain things but he was a penny pincher so he has the extra cash laying around - there are A LOT of families that aren't that lucky.



My Aunt died of cancer. My great grandma had a stroke and was put in hospital and then found out she had breast cancer and later died of another stroke. My aunt was diagnosed with cancer over a year ago. My mom was diagnosed with cancer 5 years ago and has had more surgeries than I care to even acknowledge at the moment. My great aunt was diagnosed with cancer this last friday.



There is absolutely no possible way my family would be able to afford to take care of themselves, let alone respective family able to help them out too, if we didn't have medical coverage. The amount in medical bills, I would venture a guess, is more than my dad has made since us kids were born.



I don't understand and I can't understand why debt, bankruptcy and general disregard for human life is so acceptable by so many.



Sorry if this is all over the place - this is one of those issues that really goes beyond any sense to me. I read someone say "We donate to organizations to help people who need help." I don't understand how people figure that helps the people who need help. It goes to an organization to buy hospital beds, or toys for kids, or needles or testers for people with diabetes, for things like that - there is no way of helping the general public, the families that are in dire need of financial backing in order to help their family members live unless you have something in place like universal health care. Or these people are actually gonna go to hospitals and go door to door and say "Hey, I wanna help someone out today, do you need any money to pay for your hospital bills? You do?!? Oh good, here's $50." And figure they did their part to help humanity.



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?? - posted on 09/30/2009

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They don't want to see. It's easier to stick to the same old crap when you've already done whatever it is you've done - and to ME, looking at their "rags to riches" stories - they really haven't done fuck all. "We scrimped and we saved and we sacrificed and now we're ok, we're not livin the high life but we're ok." Bullllsssshhhhhiiiiiiiiit. Sorry but when you come from a middle class family, even just a regular everyday run of the mill just below middle class family - you don't start from BELOW the rest of the world who graduate highschool and can jump into any regular minimum wage job - start saving at 16 and be ok by the time you grad so you can jump into college and keep saving with your minimum wage job - college you got mommy and daddy to help get you the loans you need etc.



People who are born in poverty - they're lucky if they get the support to graduate, let alone the chance to have - or even KEEP - a minimum wage job. Drugs doesn't count. But then if they sell drugs to scrimp and save then they're bad people anyways they didn't do what they had to do to save up and get out - they "made the wrong choices." Now if they ever become a prominent public figure - how long are they gonna last? Until some dickhead reporter twists the arm of some old druggie on the corner and says he used to buy weed off of Dr So & So and there goes his rep.



I think anyone who is against giving people a HAND -- none of that hand OUT or hand UP bullshit -- Just Plain Giving People Who Need Help A Helping HAND should be ashamed of themselves.



I guess when those families were growing up they were taught that giving a hand meant giving a slap or a punch or a push down. The backhanded compliment - "here I want to help you get on your feet - take this $50 I know you wouldn't be able to do without it."



I'm glad I was raised to be generous in all aspects of life and not a stingey bitch only worried about myself. I also think being generous is the most selfish outlook to have - because it is self-serving. First of all, I give to others, because I want too. Because it lets me know that I have helped people who NEED help. That makes me feel good and secondly if I ever get down and out - I KNOW I have done my part in order to ask for help and know that no one can say "what the fuck have you ever done for the world?"



If some of those people all of a sudden end up with nothing - there's NO ONE that is gonna help them. Those organizations that they donated too, they aren't gonna say "Ohhhhh suuuuuure! We'll give you what you need to pull yourself up!" No they will say "Sorry our organization doesn't deal with that kind of situation."



Then they have to pull themselves up by their bootstraps all over again all while bitching and whining about how hard they have it. The only thing that gets me is that when THAT happens - those people GET THE HELP THEY NEED because they qualify for whatever help they need through their middle class family status. And all the generous people, like myself, who go out of my way to make sure that EVERYONE gets THE HAND they need.



And they wonder why people think they're selfish. They're no better than the people who abuse the system.



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Sara - posted on 09/30/2009

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The problem is they have all bought into the lie of Capitalism, that we can "pull ourselves up by our bootstraps" and shit like that. What they fail to realize it that it's not 1955 anymore. At one time that may have been possible in America, but those days are gone. If we don't band together to try and help eachother out, God knows what will happen to us. They cannot see outside of their own little corner of the world.

Amie - posted on 09/29/2009

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Oh we're totally communists haven't you heard? LOL! =P

Our system does have its flaws but on the whole I'm much happier here than I would be in the states. I think I'd have a lot more white hair worrying about how to pay medical bills. =S

Natalie - posted on 09/29/2009

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Quoting Amie:

Yes they do sound like that Sara. =) I also made an oppsie. LOL!

They would not qualify for the Child Benefit Supplement. That one is only in place until your child reaches the age of 6. =)


Even before the extra benefits and supplements, it sounds like a great deal. Has it made you guys communists yet?



Some days, I just want to pack up and move to Canada.

Amie - posted on 09/29/2009

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Yes they do sound like that Sara. =) I also made an oppsie. LOL!

They would not qualify for the Child Benefit Supplement. That one is only in place until your child reaches the age of 6. =)

Sara - posted on 09/29/2009

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Because they have irrational fears that are fueled by the misinformation being put out there by conservative lobby groups...either that or they are incredibly selfish, which honestly is what most of them come off like...me me me...

Natalie - posted on 09/29/2009

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This is just heartbreaking. No child should have to go through that. Regardless of what the parent does, no matter what people may think about poor people being lazy or deserving of misfortune, children are innocent and don't deserve to be punished like this.

Amie, $45,000/year is a median income where I live. How can a figure that represents the average be eaten up so quickly by medical costs? You're absolutely right, they shouldn't be struggling.

What I fail to understand is, why do (so many) Americans hate taxes so much? There's a positive correlation between higher taxes and higher standard of living in most European countries. Americans do not pay high taxes at all. I'd love to trade even a fairly substantial chunk of my income in exchange for good, reliable, all-encompassing healthcare.

Amie - posted on 09/28/2009

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That just makes me sad. That would just never happen in Canada. A family making $45,000 a year can live decently here. There is no reason when you make that much you should be struggling.



After talking to my MIL (who is a tax consultant) I've done some very basic calculations.



$45,000 per year estimate (no income is ever that rounded lol) / 12 months = $3,750



$3,750 per month * 18 % (estimated tax bracket they would be in since it does up and down a tiny bit based on actual income) = $675



So $3,750 per month income - $675 taxes = $3,075



So they would make $3,075 roughly every month. No health care bills to pay. Just regular bills. PLUS they would get the Child Tax Benefit AND the Child Benefit Supplement AND they would most likely qualify for the GST rebate that goes out every 3 months.



All of that for roughly 18% of their income. There are other programs in place as well to help families struggling. It's not all welfare programs.

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