Autisum & immunisation. Is there a LINK??? anyones comments would be fantastic

Lauren - posted on 07/21/2009 ( 26 moms have responded )

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hI there mums. Ok so i am 24 yr old and my son tristan is 10 1/2 months old and is nearly due for his(MMR) measels mumps and rubella vacination and this im confused about i have heard so many differnt things about this vaccine causing Autisum, can you please help me with your thoughts???

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Chelsea - posted on 07/25/2009

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As a behavioral specialist who works with children on the autism spectrum you should also be aware that the signs and symptoms of Autism spectrum disorders can appear at the same time that vaccines are given correct? This is a matter of age not a matter of link. The latest research points to a genetic abnormaility that is triggered by an inflamation response of the immune system. This response can come from Vaccines but also from the common cold, Which means that if your child has the gene, keeping them away from vaccines is no way of ensuring they will not develop Autism. Please do not spread misinformation because of your title. As someone who works with these children you should use your power to help parents find the correct information. I am working towards my Master's Degree in Early Childhood Special Education and have done plenty of research on this subject for my thesis. I would love to see the credible research you tout as being out there. The component of the MMR that people have decided is dangerous is the stabilizing agent known as Thimerosal. Thimerosal does contain a component that is called Ethylmercury that is an organomercurial that is metabolized by the body easily and does not accumulate in the brain. This is often confused with Methylmercury that has been proven in multiple studies to accumulate in the brain and cause neurologic disorders. This phenomenon was studied in a population isolated on a small island in the pacific due to the Methylmercury found in the fish there. Due to increasing public concern the FDA suspended use of thimerosal in vaccines in 1999 after the product came under scrutiny. Despite this decision made in both Sweden and Denmark in 1992 the Autism rates continued to rise and no link has been made scientifically to the product thimerosal and Austism Spectrum Disorders. The special part of our court system created to handle these cases is called the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program and came down with the ruling in February of 2009 that after reviewing 5,000 pages of transcripts, 935 medical articles, 50 expert reports and hearing testimony from 28 experts that the MMR and Thimerosal containing vaccines independently or together were not causal factors in the development of Autism or ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder.)

Chelsea - posted on 07/25/2009

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I have an Autistic child and unfortunately there is a gene that runs in my family for this. We have 7 male Great grand-children in our family from my Paternal grand parents and all but one (My 3 year old) are on the autism spectrum. Myself and my cousins live in different states and have all raised our children in different ways including one who did not vaccinate. Her son still was diagnosed with Asperger's Two years ago. I have done HOURS of research on the possible links and causes of Autism and found that the studies proving a link to vaccines are flawed in many ways. The first large study was out of England where only 9 children were studied and only based on a parent questionaire. After the results were published in came to light that 3 of the doctors conducting the study had financial ties to a Medical Malpractice Lawfirm and stood to gain millions of dollars in the prosecution of malpractice lawsuits. The other 9 doctors in the study quickly backed out and since then no other study has been able to duplicate the findings. Part of a credible scientific study is the fact that the results are able to be duplicated by other researchers using the same method.

That being said I also work in a physicians office and have sat down with many parents to discuss the pro's and con's of vaccinating. Tetanus lives in the soil.. so saying that this infection is unheard of in children under five is completely ludicrous. Any child who is not vaccinated could come down with this disease. Have you seen a child with tetanus? They have violent spasms that can break their back as their muscles seize and they suffocate due the the paralysis of the diaphragm. Pertussis ( also known as Whooping cough) is not very dangerous to adults but certain states (such as Oregon) have a very high occurence of it. Adults can carry this disease and not even know they have it. Once a child contracts this illness they can cough so hard they break ribs and eventually suffocate due to being unable to bring in enough air. Sure, if they stay at home with mom all day and never leave the house and have no contact with other adults they may be safe.....But would that do more damage then a vaccine? Mumps can cause sterility in little boys if it attacks the testicles which it will if not caught in time and Measels can be accompanied by high fevers that can cause brain damage. Yes we are trying to save the "Herd Immunity" but relying on this to protect your child is not only unadvisable but completely unreliable as more and more people are thoughtlessly putting their children at risk. You wouldn't let you child ride in a care without a seatbelt right? Why would you let them venture unprotected into the world to possibly contract a life threatening illness that you could have prevented.?

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Tamika - posted on 07/27/2009

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I know what you mean, The way I look at it is whats the biggest risk, my child posssibly becoming autistic, or my child dieing from measeles. I grilled my son's doctor about every singal shot he gave my boys, I asked where it came from, what was in it, how much of what was in it. This is the statistic i saw on an autisum speaks comercial, now babies get up to 32 shots and 1 in 150 children will become autistic. I was born in 1982, then babies got about 10 to 12 shots and 1 in 150,00 children became autistic. To all of us there is a link, but the CDC, APA, and AMA there is not a link. The choice is yours, I got my both my sons immunizted.

Debbie - posted on 07/27/2009

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This is a tough one! I have done some research on immunizations. It all comes down to what u think is best for your child. You are the parent! Do your research. There are some scary stories out there either way. I decided to get my son vaccinated, had no problems until his last DTAP shot. His leg was all red and swollen. He could not walk on it. He was addmitted in the hospital for 2 days. My aunt's son had the same thing happen,except he stopped walking for 2 weeks and needed steroids. I am not trying to scare you. I am just thankful it was not worse! Probably most kids have minor reactions to the shots, but the 1 in 10,000 or so that have died as a result, what a tradgedy! There is no easy answer, either take a chance, and don't vaccinate or take a chance and do vaccinate. Every child responds differently. After my son's reaction, I have decided to hold off on his 2nd dose of MMR, at least for a year or so. Autism is not the only thing out there, that may be caused by immunizations, I am afraid. Drs. do not know all the effects of immunizations either. I would advise you do your research and see what people for the immunizations are saying and those against them. Hope I was able to help some I pray as a mother that I am always trying to do the right thing and researching all I can before I make a big decision concerning my child.

Charlie - posted on 07/25/2009

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i completely agree with chelsea . thank you for your well informed advice !

Lauren - posted on 07/25/2009

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Hi i am a behavioral therapist for children who are on the autism spectrum....there is a link. I do not believe that they are the only cause but there is a link. There is a part of our court system that handles only vaccine cases...there have been many in the past few years that link MMR to brain damage which leads to regression in verbal and social skills. My child was diagnosed ADHD 3 weeks after her second MMR. she was given a vaccine that had 3 in 1 she was fine until then...then everything went downhill. there is a good book not sure who wrote it its called....Everything your doctor didn't tell you about vaccines. Also generationrescue.com is wonderful!

Jamie - posted on 07/25/2009

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My friend is going to school to be a nurse, and according to what she has learned so far, They are stating that there is not a link between immunizations and autisum, apparently everything happens around the same time they start to notice it. I also asked my own pcp what he thought who has been my dr for 25 yrs, and he also stated that there is not a link. The thing is when we were little we had vaccines but not that many.

Louise - posted on 07/25/2009

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my oldest son is autistic he hasent had the mmr he has an egg allergy and has got to have it done in hospitail i think it is a load of rubbish that it causes autism it just happens to be given the same sort of time when signs come out in a child that has autism and some people feel the need to blame it on something my daughter has had it and has no evidence of autism and my youngest son had it after he had been diagnosed with autism so i feel no need to think it has anything to do with the mmr at all x

Meredith - posted on 07/25/2009

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No there is not a link. In fact according to a study that was done over several years and published about 5 years ago showed that the link between the mmr immunization and autism is less than .01%...that is the shot that has been in question over the years. Also, keep in mind that in the U.S. alone over 500 kids die each year from measles. The 3 diseases that are covered by the mmr are far worse than the risks. I hope you choose to have your child immunized, it is one of the best things you can do for your child. Also if you're concerned about the number of immunizations your child is supposed to get at a particular visit you can visit www.CDC.gov where they have a modified immunization schedule. And one last thing, do not allow yourself to be bullied by your pediatrician, YOU are your child's advocate in the doctor's office. Hope that helps you!

Liana - posted on 07/23/2009

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There are autistic children who haven't had the mmr there are 3 in my oldest sons class and 1 in my youngest sons class if they are going to be autistic it will happen regardless of what vaccines your child does or doesn't have.

Nicole - posted on 07/22/2009

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I don't think there's a link. I mean, we were all vaccinated with these same shots and we're fine, right? I don't think a vaccine causes autism, it might just make someone who's already got it worse. I've heard a lot of people who say their kids got autism from a vaccine say they thought something wasn't quite right from the get-go but things got worse after the shot.

Kate CP - posted on 07/22/2009

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There are autistic kids who weren't vaccinated. Pertussis is highly contagious and parents can carry the virus without showing symptoms...just like kids. Tetanus is a required vaccine if your child need stitches or surgery. Unlikely? Yes, but it's important.

If a child has shown no reactions to vaccines in the past and has no family history of vaccine reactions then I think it would be wise to vaccinate with DTaP. MMR I tend to agree with you on: not very common, not very serious. I was recently doing research for a friend of mine when I came across Texas (my state) death certificates for children between 1900 to present day. The leading cause of death in children under the age of 5 for over 100 years (aside from accidents, violence, still birth, etc) is influenza and pertussis. That was only the death certificates I found. There are thousands of others that are either lost, destroyed, or were never reported. That, to me, is a good reason to get a child the DTaP vaccine. However I still think the chicken pox vaccine is stupid. :P

Lauren - posted on 07/22/2009

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the only reason i ask this very important question is that my half brother who is 5 yrs old was diagnosed with ASD when he was 18mnths old my mum who has 5 children said that she knew there was something different about dale from the get go but as soon as Dale was given the MMR vaccine it spiraled out of control. and seeing first hand that this is what my child may be like scares the hell out of me..knowing that i can maybe stop this from happning is the hardest decision i have ever had to make.. im confused i kow there seems to be no SCIENTIFIC proof that its this but imagine if you had an autistic child what your thoughts be and why are there NO autistic children that have not had the MMR vaccine????

Stefanie - posted on 07/22/2009

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Tetanus is almost unheard of in children under 5 yrs.
Rubella causes birth defects put is practically harmless to anyone else.
Diphtheria causes 0-5 hospitalizations a year. (your child has a greater risk of suffering a severe vaccine reaction than getting diphtheria)
Pertussis is of little concern to a child who stays home with mom.
measles, mumps and rubella: severe cases during childhood are so rare the risk is close to 0.

Do more research and you will find that HIB and PVC (and pertussis for certain children) are the biggest risk and most other vaccines are given for herd immunity only, not b/c the child is in danger of a severe infection.

Kate CP - posted on 07/22/2009

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HIB and PVC are NOT the only serious threats to the lives of young infants and children. Pertussis, diptheria, and tetanus are all potentially deadly diseases. Pertussis has been on the rise in the UK, US, and Canada. The diseases covered by the MMR vaccine, while potentially serious and life threatening in some cases, tends to not have the mortality rate of the diseases covered by the DTaP shot.

Stefanie - posted on 07/22/2009

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This is not completely true. Certain shots still use mercury in the manufacturing process but by law now have to "filter" it out but it is completely impossible to filter out all the mercury.
Also, even though mercury is not allowed in vaccines anymore the flu vaccine still uses mercury and the new laws did not force Dr.'s to stop using the old mercury-vaccines. So while the new vaccines may have filtered as much mercury as possible out (except the flu which contains unfiltered mercury) that doesn't mean that your child is getting the commonly mislabeled "mercury-free" version.

Also, I think it extremely unrealistic to not allow your child around un-vaccinated children. The reason being your child will be around millions of un-vaccinated adults in their life. How many adults do you know that keep up on their boosters? I know I haven't had any since I was 12 and I won't be getting any either.
Also, if you do your research, many of the diseases vaccines were created to prevent are very little to no risk for a child. The only real threats for babies are HIB and PVC.
Yes, there is a "Herd Immunity" that comes with vaccination and that makes vaccines important. However, I think it should still be a parents choice, without discrimination, to choose what is best for their child. You never know, there may be a very good reason they have chosen not to vaccinate. There is no absolute answer that fits all families so we should try to keep an open-minded rather than being short-sighted with such a sensitive topic.

Diana - posted on 07/22/2009

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The only shot that was linked even in theory to autism contained mercury. Vaccines no longer contain mercury so there is no risk. There is a small but stubborn group of people who refuse to vaccinate because of this. There is NO proof or even suggestion that vaccines cause autism. This is a serious issue for many people. I will refuse to send my daughter to any school that does not require basic shots. This could open a window to more outbreaks of these diseases that were "eradicated" decades ago. Follow your doctors advice, and get your kid his shots.

Stefanie - posted on 07/22/2009

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Here is a study that might ease your mind:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn70...
Japan Banned the MMR after the "link to autism" came about and their autism rate still continued to rise despite NO children getting the MMR vaccine.

I recommend you read The Vaccine Book by Dr. Sears and make your own call.

Liana - posted on 07/22/2009

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I researched this very thing for 2 1/2 years before my oldest son had the mmr I read loads of reports and trawled through everything I could find on the subject and found that there is no evidence that there is a link, my 2 older boys have had it with no problems and when the time comes my little girl will have it to :)

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From the news report we had last night (Including a medical proffessional) there is no link between austism and immunisation.



Theres is currently a outbreak of measles in christchurch new zealand because the parents have not immunisized their kids therefore putting other children at risk.

Kate CP - posted on 07/21/2009

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No. There is no link. It's up to you if you want to have him vaccinated but I would strongly urge you to have him vaccinated for pertussis, diptheria, and tetanus. All very serious life threatening illnesses that can be prevented with a shot. If you're worried about the effects of vaccines then you can spread out the shots and have them administer them one at a time. They do combo shots to make it easier on parents and kids since it's less needle sticks. However some times the bombardment of antibodies on their immune system can have adverse effects: fever, nausea. In extreme cases shock, seizures. But it's ultimately up to you. Look into it more before you make a decision. And DON'T rely on internet message boards for your information. You will get much farther by going to the library. :)

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No, there is no link between vaccines and autism. Studies have looked at the MMR, other vaccines, the number of vaccines, combinations of vaccines, etc, etc. There are still a lot of questions about what autism is. We certainly know what some things that can increase the risk of autism, but vaccines are not one of them. If you're looking for some things to read on the subject, you can start here:

http://www.vaccineinformation.org/autism...
http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/vaccine...
http://www.chop.edu/vaccine/images/autis...
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03

Katherine - posted on 07/21/2009

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i don't know if there is or not but my son has had his needles and he is now 2yrs and there isn't anything wrong with him hes a normal little boy.

Momma - posted on 07/21/2009

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I don't know if there is or not. But I would love to know this answer as well. I'm nearly 100% positive that my youngest niece is autistic but her mother is too stubborn to admit there could be a problem and have her tested.

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