car seat standards

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I was looking online at some different car seats available on the market today and noticed that in some countries the seats do not look at all safe . What do you think about the different standards of all the seats? I noticed in AUS the seats do not even have chest clips to properly secure the child! and they also allow the child to turn forward at just 6 months! my girl just recently turned forward at 35 pounds.
I just don't understand why some developed countries seem to be lagging in proper child safety.
Anyone else notice this? Do you think all of our safety precautions are necessary?
(and i mean no offense to anyone I just find it very odd)

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Natasha - posted on 07/30/2009

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Kylie, You can hunt for the chest clip. I got mine at Babies Galore. They only had one in stock,at the time, but they should be able to get one in, if you want to know where to get one.

With the backward facing, get a mirror so you can see him in the rearview mirror, just for extra safety, and check up on your states laws, because I know in SA they have really strict laws on when they are turned around. QLD where I live, so far I've seen they give you the choice. Also check the weight, because the US baby seats are better equipped to hold a 1 year old rearward facing, whereas AUS are not, it might actually be more dangerous to keep him in a rearward facing, if the seat is not equipped for him, go by weight not age, thats what I did and just like you a high quality car seat.

And yes they should be included, seeing as the SAME COMPANY make the US ones and the AUS ones!! how ridiculous is that!!!!

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Julia - posted on 12/24/2012

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The chest clip is not used because it is very dangerous! There have been several children severely injured in in US because of chest clips! They have injured the internal organs and wind pipes! They are not part of the restraint at all...their only purpose is to keep the child from getting out of the five point harness. The five point being...two points at their shoulders, two points at their hips and one point between their legs where you buckle. The chest clip is illegal to use in the uk where there child seat safety standards are far greater than the US! Do a simple google search on the dangers on the chest clip and you will find a lot of info on it.

Jen - posted on 07/31/2009

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Carrie: In the states the recommended age for being in a booster is until 5. The weight limit is usually 100lbs. It's recommended to stay in a booster until the child's knees comfortably fit on the seat when they have their back against the seat. As for seats to put an infant in we have infant seats then we have convertible seats that face rear and forward. My daughter has been in one since 7 months old, but was rear facing until 12 months and is now forward facing. You should be able to look up laws on the internet for where you are located.

Natasha - posted on 07/31/2009

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Carrie, Check the weight not age. Because it all has to do with weight and height, weather they can safety sit in a car seat without a child restraint.

No, only ones that go from birth are convertible to rearward facing, where do you live??

Carrie - posted on 07/31/2009

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i've been told now to use the baby seat untill 6 months, which is rear facing, then you change to a larger seat, that has it's own fastening belt but you use the car seat belt to secure it, but i've never seen a rear facing one. and then this should last till they are 4 or older, and then it's a booster seat. but does anyone know when it's safe to stop using a booster seat, because my 5 year old is the size of a 7 year old, he still has one but he hates using it, because his frienfds don't in thier mum's cars.

Melissa - posted on 07/31/2009

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I have thought same things Christina thanks for bringing it up I was scared. I love the chest clips I am curious to why they are not mandatory everywhere

Jen - posted on 07/30/2009

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Well I live in the US and I was planning on keeping my daughter rear facing for awhile, but shortly after turning 1 she got very fussy in the car so we turned her forward and she was more content. When you say the car seats are strapped to the car in Australia I'm assuming that is comparable to our LATCH system with the anchors on the car and you clip the car seat to the anchors? I love that. I feel like my daughter's seat isn't going anywhere between the seat belt and the LATCH.

Where my concern comes in in the US is the people who switch their children to booster seats way too early. In Florida I looked up the law and you're allowed to do it at 3! My friend put her son in a no back booster at 2 and a half. I don't think kids that little are ready for the seat belt. I like the idea of the high back boosters that have the 5 point harness that you take out and use the seat belt when old enough. I plan on putting my daughter in a high back at 3 and a half and not going to the no back until 5 probably and having her stay in that until 10 like is suggested. The other issue I have is people who put infant seats in the front seat. It's dangerous to have any child in the front seat much less an infant. Not to mention it's written all over the seat not to do it. Anyway I'll stop my rant.

Mel - posted on 07/30/2009

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i never thought about that Natasha your right maybe our seats are made differently hence the reason rear facing would be dangerous.

Kylie - posted on 07/30/2009

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I just found a picture of an American car seat with the children strapped in with the chest clips and they look a whole lot safer and more comfortable..I'm shocked i thought Australia had very high child safety standards i feel like writing to somebody..not sure who yet, it's appalling..if i had not read it here i would never have know.
i will be keeping my son backward facing for his safety until one year..hes a little baby so i don't think it will be a problem. i bought the most expensive car seat because i wanted him to be safe and comfy at least they could have included the chest straps...

Natasha - posted on 07/30/2009

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its insane, all it is, is a little piece of plastic, not exactly a bank breaker for the manufacturer who already make them!

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which is why I was shocked that britax being so well known for their car seats would not just automatically put them on every seat

Natasha - posted on 07/30/2009

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my car seat has what your talking about, but I did buy my car seat from a specialty store and it was an "accessory". I now completely understand what your talking about, all car seats should have them, because the straps do infact fall down when you don't have the clip on (well mostly, thats what i found and why i put it on) and it gets worse when your bub figures out that this button means the straps are looser.

Our car seats are exactly the same in every feature apart from the chest clip. What I don't understand if the same company makes them, why not make them the same???

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we use, universal latch, anchors and seat belt to secure our seats to the cars. I was looking online and I know the best manufacturer (britax) which makes the ausi line safe n sound (the best you can buy) does not offer a chest clip. they have some what of a 5 point harnes but it is the way the shoulder straps drape over the child with no chest clip to secure them that makes the ausi seats look dangerous. as if the breaks were hit the child could fly right through the top of the supposed 5 point harness. sure the legs are secure but there is nothing holding the upper body in place aside from 2 flimsy looking shoulder straps that look like they can slide down. If you google any north american car seat company you will see what I mean.

Natasha - posted on 07/29/2009

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I live in Australia. All the car seats in my department store they have a chest clip apart from the booster seats for older children.

6 months is a recommended age, but it does go by weight. I know that by 5 months my son couldn't fit into a reward facing car seat, so I had to squish him in, until he unbearably couldn't fit. Our Car seats also bolt into the actual car, in Australia we have one of the most effective child safety rating systems in the world.

What I don't like about car seats is the booster seats, without the chest clip (5 point harness). You can get add ons to make the booster seat a 5 point harness at a cost of 100 Australian dollars extra. (but no cost is enough for my child safety)

I traveled to Europe recently with Zachary, and they don't bolt their car seats into their cars. (we got a European car seat while we were there) and I found that it tipped over, I had to sit next to it to make sure it didn't tip, and only had a 5 point harness up to the age of 1, I a squeezed him into a "babies" one.

Lyndsay - posted on 07/29/2009

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My son was in a forward facing car seat when he was about a year old. Rear-facing car seats here only go up to 20lbs, and the one I have now has the option to be rear-facing but it was awkward so I didn't bother. In Ontario (where I live) it is illegal to use a car seat that isn't stamped with the Canadian Seal of Approval, and they have to be disposed of after a couple years. (The one I have says don't use past 2012)



Also... here, kids have to be in a booster seat until they're 8 or 9. I forget what the exact weight is, but typically that size of kid. This is a new law, which I think is bonkers, but whatever.

Mel - posted on 07/29/2009

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i had a mirror to but for both me and my fiances car it kept falling down. he still had it in his car for some reason since we dont use his much and it fell down on her the other day. but at least it gace her something to play with. i hated the capsule every time we went on a trip she would be satched from throwing up it would go all over her and the whole thing would have to be cleaned out. now that she is and has been in a car seat for a long time i can put something there if i see her throwing up. i had the capsule in my car and partner had the carseat from day one, the one that is rear facing and slightly tilted, that you turn around at 6-8 kilos and forward face. we tried turning her around for a bit once but her head control couldnt take the seat being so upright so we changed back for a while.

Deidre - posted on 07/29/2009

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yea, it is scary not being able to see their face but I have a mirror back there that I'm able to see her through my rear-view mirror and vice versa :)

Mel - posted on 07/29/2009

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i also didnt even know you guys had these chest clips ive never heard of them

Mel - posted on 07/29/2009

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oh i know why you started it. i dont think anyone knows why. its just a different country thing. theres lots of things different between here and america, you guys have different foods different terms for things and this is just one of them. for me i couldnt imagine leaving my daughter rear facing and risking an accident trying to check if she was ok and i also ran into someone on here whos daughter had a seizure for 45 mins before she knew because she had left her kid rear facing and she then got permission to turn the baby around. so sometimes its actually the safer option. maybe it is because our seats are built differently that we have different standards i dont know

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melissa i started this thread after seeing the pic of your daughter. I found it odd to be no chest clip so I looked it up and found all of your seat are like that. It just doesnt look to be safe to me. and then I found out that you guys turn forward at 6 months! knowing what we know about child safety I was wondering why the standards are different. It is not that anyone thinks they are better it is just different and I for one would like to know why

Deidre - posted on 07/29/2009

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Yea, I know they are different standards. Which is why I'm glad I live where I do. Because I am not made to feel out of sorts for keeping my daughter rear-facing longer than the 'norm'. Especially since the norm is in the process of changing where I am right now (since they've started recommending rear-facing until at least 2yrs). I still know people that have turned their babies forward facing before 1yr even though it's illegal to do so here. Now, if there weren't larger carseats available rear-facing I would have had to turn my daughter around at 6mo b/c she was 20lbs (9.1kg) then and her infant carrier only went to 22lbs (10kg). But there are larger carseats available so I've decided to keep her in this one rear facing until she's 2yrs or 35lbs (15.9 kg - weight limit of her carseat rearfacing), I haven't decided yet.

I'm voicing my opinion on this matter in hopes that someone from somewhere other than the US may think twice about forward facing as soon as possible and wait it out just a little bit longer rear facing. It is safest to be rear facing (as long as all guidelines are met... definitely not safe to have a baby in the infant carrier past the height and weight restrictions, that's dangerous).

I'm sure my daughter will love forward facing when the time comes :) I'm waiting it out though b/c I know once I let her try it out there will be no way I can get her rear facing again lol.

Mel - posted on 07/29/2009

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thres been so many arguments like this on here, the people in the US seem to think they are better then the people in australia and can make them rear face for 1 year like they do there. I turned my daughter around at about 5 months or so, cant remember exactly maybe even 4 months. i did it because majority of people here do its just the norm. 6-8 kilos and most babies reach that around 3-6 months (according to the charts anyway). I had a little baby who didnt reach 7 kilos til after her frist birthday. she loves forward facing and its perfectly legal here in australia so i really think people from the US have got to remember that we have different standards and are allowed to go by them

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oh I just find it odd as well. Not saying canada or USA is better but I just don't understand why in AUS which is very similar to north america in everything else would have such loose standards. who know maybe they have safer cars or better drivers.

Deidre - posted on 07/29/2009

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When I hear about the quals in other countries with carseats it makes me glad I live in the US. I like that they now recommend rear-facing to 2yrs old and I am glad that no one around me nags me to turn my daughter forward facing. If I were somewhere that the norm was to switch at 6mo most likely there would be people thinking I was crazy for having her still rearfacing at 14mo. There is a pic of me as a baby in a carseat with no chest clip (just the clip at the crotch) so that is a fairly new thing (I'm 23). It's a harness but not a 5pt harness like they have nowadays. I really hope that the countries that don't have the same high standards as the US start changing their regulations a bit to either be the same or exceed us.



So, I try not to judge but it is odd that other developed countries like Australia or the UK don't have the same recommendations as the US.

Deidre - posted on 07/29/2009

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When I hear about the quals in other countries with carseats it makes me glad I live in the US. I like that they now recommend rear-facing to 2yrs old and I am glad that no one around me nags me to turn my daughter forward facing. If I were somewhere that the norm was to switch at 6mo most likely there would be people thinking I was crazy for having her still rearfacing at 14mo. There is a pic of me as a baby in a carseat with no chest clip (just the clip at the crotch) so that is a fairly new thing (I'm 23). It's a harness but not a 5pt harness like they have nowadays. I really hope that the countries that don't have the same high standards as the US start changing their regulations a bit to either be the same or exceed us.



So, I try not to judge but it is odd that other developed countries like Australia or the UK don't have the same recommendations as the US.

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