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User - posted on 08/12/2009

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I bottle feed my son and have no regrets. Lactation consultants are paid to tell you that breast feeding is better but from my research and experience there is no difference.



First do a google search and look at some of the reputable research (not by formula companies or pro bf groups) there is no correlation between bf/bottle feeding and anything!! Either way your child will be just as smart and healthy as the next kid.



In fact. my son is healthier than a lot of the breast fed babies I know. he is 18 months old and only been sick 2 times, while bf babies I know have been sick 5 or 6 times in that span of time.



My doctor is a good doctor and encouraged me to do what was best for me and my son and that was bottle feeding. Again do some research on the topic before forming opinions about it. Of course a lactation consultant is going to tell you otherwise - I mean really, they are going to promote their business, that's just common sense.



I binded with my son even while bottle feeding and our bond to this day is great. Bottom Line: However a mother chooses to nourish her child is a personal choice and NO ONE has any right to condemn anyone for the choice that they make. Either way the baby is getting everything they need and that's all that really matters.

Colleen - posted on 08/10/2009

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I formula feed. Breastfeeding just wasn't for me, and I'm so happy about that. It's so convenient, I can feed him wherever I want, he can go longer between feedings, other people can feed him if they want to (I know my mom loves that), I can drink alcohol and caffiene, I can leave my baby with his grandparents for a weekend and not have to worry about whether I've pumped enough in advance.

Jessica - posted on 08/16/2009

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Quoting Loureen:



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Quoting Laura:

I am a breastfeeding counselor with that being said, ofcourse breastfeeding. I understand that bottle feeding is more convenient at times, but those mom's are the moms that do things half way. That is not an excuse enough not to bf. There are other valid excuses! I loved bf my daughter I did until she weaned herself at about 11 months and right when she did that I just started her on whole milk. No formula for my baby only if it was really necessary. I went back to work 7 weeks post partum, and worked 32 hours a week, I was still able to bf. If I can do it, everyone can!











Considering your a bf councellor you sure hold no sympathy for the moms who COULDN'T bf. I bottle feed my son and never do things 'half way'.  Like I'm not upset that my son didn't latch properly, or started losing too much weight so I had to combine feed. Not everyone is in the same situation where everything is alrite or available to help continue breast feeding.  Everyone's situation is different, which ends in different results with this subject. That statement is an ignorant one.












 












In a thread a while ago one mum said that the reason formula feeding mums defend the bottle so much is because they are ashamed they didn't breastfeed. Has anyone ever considered that the mums who bottle feed aren't ashamed but upset that they couldn't? Or how about surrogacy? Those babies are going to get formula fed! What about adoptees? What about financial situations dictating your work hours? I work 32 hours a week aswell and gave over to exclusive formula feeding because of this. I work in a hospital where the hours of work are slighlty out of shift with the rest of the world! Not to mention I'm a single parent and have several health problems. I get tired VERY easily, yet I still work 32 hours a week in a hospital. If I'm not up to scratch then my son isn't. Formula has given me the chance to enjoy every moment with my son by not having to night feed anymore, by being able to whip a batch up and thats his food for the morning and afternoon! I get the sleep I need to be able to get up and play with my son while providing a decent future for him instead of staying at home on benefits!












So yes, that for me is a good enough excuse! And no, I'm not doing anything halfway. I am proud that I am doing everything in my power to provide the best life and future possible for my son.












i couldnt agree more, i have lost count of the times i have received FILTHY looks from breast feeding mothers as soon as i mention bottlefeeding! its as if because we are not breast feeding that we dont deserve to be mums, there is so much breastfeeding support, but what about support for these bottlefeeding mothers, who are at an emotional low because of all the negativity we get, and though i KNOW this was best for my son i have felt at times too ashamed to say i bottle feed beacusof all the reasons i mentioned







Yes, I know what you mean. I took my son to a mom and baby group where everyone breastfeed except me. As soon as I took the bottle out to feed him the conversation stopped and everyone stared at me! Just like in the old Westerns lol. I went once more after that but half of them wouldn't speak to me and the other half kept pushing breastfeeding on me! Don't get me wrong! I am pro-breastfeeding if it is possible and feasible, but in my situation it wasn't, I was mentally, emotionally and physically drained so that I couldn't even hold my son for any length of time and that really upset me! So I started exclusively formula feeding and now I have a happy healthy 9 month old that is almost walking on his own and LOVES to play with mummy cos mummy has the energy to do so!









I have to agree, SOME BF mums are very rude and judgemental before knowing the full facts , the world isnt black and white there are areas that are different shades of grey .






And a BF councellor should know better , shame .






People have different reasons for doing what they do and there are many mothers out their who can only Dream of BF their child but cant , so before anyone goes ranting on about " lazy " mothers how about getting to know every single one of the mothers who " bottle feed's"  stories before jumping to conclusions and falsley accusing people .






Its not a pretty personality trait to be judgemental .





Precisely! That's exactly what I was trying to say! Thank you Loureen. The way I see it is that if you have tried and it hasn't worked then there is no shame in bottle feeding, saying that I won't condemn anyone who bottle fed from the off as it is usually through lack of education that the decision is made. We need more information put out there on the benefits of breastfeeding in order to educate more women on the subject. I'm trying to get breastfeeding groups, meetings and classes held in my area as there are alot of young mothers who chose to bottlefeed because of lack of information. There is nothing wrong with encouraging breastfeeding, but it IS wrong to judge someone when you don't know there situation.

Rebecca - posted on 08/15/2009

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...my son is a very happy baby even when he is hungry...and at almost 9 months he is almost walking, while my friends son just started crawling at a year and he is formula fed..breast milk has DHA which helps support brain function and growth which other foods and formula try to mimic



 



 





  my freinds breastfed daughter didnt walk until 13 months, and she wasnt prem either, so had no developmental delays due to that reason...and my other freinds daughter walked at 11 months and was bottlefed! its a FACT that ALL BABIES develope differently!! wether they are breast or bottle fed.

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Quoting Melissa:

formula feeding. much less risk of FTT, baby sleeps longer, others can help with feeds while you sleep therefore less risk of PND, baby is happier with a fuller tummy, baby meets milestones quicker generally, baby does not have to try and wean from the breast and learn how to transition from breast to bottle, mum can have a night out and drink if she wants without worrying about breast feeding, expressing and sore breasts.


 



Please, feed your child how you like, but do not spread misinformation like this.  For what its worth, I am a post-partum doula...



First of all, formula feeding INCREASES risk of FTT. The reason that breastfed babies often became FTT in the past was because ignorant doctors told mothers to put the baby on the same schedule as a FF'd baby but breastmilk is so digestible, a baby needs to eat more often.  We know better now and breastfeeding moms are encouraged to feed on demand.  So the FTT thing is not the fault of the milk, it was just bad info on when/how to feed.



Secondly, babies only sleep longer on formula because a lot of the ingredients are indegestible and sit in the baby's tummy. 



And, formula INCREASES your chances of PND/PPD.  See below.



Not sure where you get the happier part from, human milk contains more nutrients and calories per ounce than formula and produces a chemical reaction that increases mom's and baby's endorphines and natural induces sleep for the baby. (And this is why PDD is less common in breastfeeding moms.)



Also, not all breastfed babies have to learn to use a bottle.  If you breastfeed longer than a few months, or even better, longer than a year, the baby will transition to a cup, not a bottle.  Even if you wean early ("early" being before a 12mo), a baby can learn to use a bottle just fine.  My mother breastfed 5 babies, all weaned by 6 months and we all transitioned to a bottle without difficulty.



My sister is currently nursing her 2 year old and still gets to go out 3-4 times a month and can have a drink.  Once a baby is older, they don't need to nurse nearly as often and you can very well have a drink.  If your baby is an infant, well, your child's nutrition is more important than imbibing alcohol.

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Angela - posted on 08/20/2009

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i prefer breast feed. I have fed 5 babies my 3 year old by him self my 2 year old by her self then my year old twins and while they were still nursing started nursing our daughter that we were adopting. i think it is healthier but the thing I liked the best is the bond that i have gained with each of my children. I actually have a stronger bond with my twins and i think it is because at 13 months i am still nursing them.



Personal i really have enjoyed it. I also believe it is Gods natural way and there are old testament scriptures that show they nursed some until they were 2 or 3. now I don't know that I could go that long.

Amber - posted on 08/20/2009

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Quoting Jennifer:

HOW can you honestly say that formula is just as good as mothers milk? Doctors & advertising companies have just impounded that in women's heads so they feel less guilty about goin straight to formula feeding. As for the mothers who say "I HAVE TO GO BACK TO WORK..." that's wonderful..but, there are breast pumps out there. My friend (turned 26 in June) and first time mother as of April this year, went back to work after 3 months of maternity leave and takes her breast pump with her every day and on breaks and lunch time, pumps her milk. So to the moms that say it's to much of a hassel...that's just lazieness and selfish!" Breast milk can be stored for a long period of time in your freezer. LET ME ASK YOU ALL THIS....."What if we didn't have formula!?!?" You'd all be S.O.L.!!! But yes, we do have it...but it's a crutch!!! No one said Motherhood was supposed to be easy!!! And as for the economy being the way it is now....WHO IN THE WORLD CAN AFFORD $15-$20 a week for one little bitty can of formula. Right there you'd be saving yourself a lot of money! AND OMG...Colostrum in a bottle for those moms who won't give that to their kids in that first couple of days??? GROSS!!! Yes, it's also wonderful that Dads get to bond with their babies too by helping with the feeding....BUT....why can't he help with breast milk in the bottle instead of formula!!! And as for Krystal....I'm glad your child doesn't spit up or get sick as much as your sisters kids who are breastfed....but...maybe it's something she's eating or drinking or the baby isn't burped properly, is eating to fast or it's to cold in the house or the air ducts need to be cleaned or the house in general isn't clean.....I'M JUST SAYING MAYBE....!!!! There are lots of reasons why a breast fed baby could get sick. My husband turned our A/C down to 74 (after always having it on 76) one night and the vent was right over our daughters bassinett.....she caught a cold....does that mean that my milk isn't good enough!?!?! NO!!! That just means my husband needs to leave the A/C alone!!! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ladies!!! Maybe you all responded to my POST because there is some lingering guilt for bottle feeding!?!?!? CHECK YOURSELVES LADIES!!!



Also Quoting Jennifer:

First of all.....quit throwing around the term ignorance....it's not nice. I'm not ignornant..nor was my statement...had you read it thoroughly, you would have noticed that I said "women who don't breastfeed AT ALL, be it by breast or bottle...is just being selfish"....YOU breastfed your baby.....so YOU don't fall under the "selfish" category now do you!?!? Read and then re-read again, then think before you write!







* Breastfeeding wasn't easy for me either when I first became a mother...I had sore, red & scabbed nipples...and later one of my breasts became engorged...but I still breastfed right through all the pain......I wasn't going to let these few things change my mind about BF. Plus I knew the sore & scabbed nipples wouldn't last forever! I got over it!







Now Jennifer, there is no reason to be hateful or make attempts to make a mother who chooses to formula feed their child feel guilty. I understand that if there was not formula women like me would be SOL however if it wasn't for formula women like me would have lost their child. My first daughter lost 2 lbs while I was attempting to breast feed her and when i asked the nurse for some formula that i no longer wished to breast feed she continued to push it on me. and argued with me for several hours on what i was going to do for MY child. I never swelled up as most women who had just given birth would have, i never leaked, I had NO MILK. my child would have died of starvation if i had not decided to formula feed. Do i feel guilty that i used formula, ABSOLUTLY NOT!!! Is my child any less healthy, or intelligence because i used formula, ABSOLUTLY NOT!!! Should any one feel guilt over using formula instead of breast milk? ABSOLUTLY NOT!! Who are you to pass judgment on these woman anyways, who asked you what you thought of women that use formula? The question was which do you prefer and why, not what do you think about the people who disagree with you.



"Colostrums in a bottle for those moms who won't give that to their kids in that first couple of days??? GROSS!!!" one women on here asked us women who could not breast feed if we had heard of a wet nurse. i personally would not be able to allow another woman to breast feed my child, or put their milk into my child’s body, i do no know what they are putting into their own. but if you had to use formula would you not want your child to have the best? would you not want it to be as close to the real thing as possible?



now for the last thing formula companies have made great strides in making formula as close to breast milk as possible, it now contains DHA, there is the colostrums. it contains as much vitamins and minerals as breast milk the only thing its lacking is immunities, that’s pretty freaking close if you ask me!

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I say Breastfeeding !!! I started breastfeeding my fist then quit and she went to formula. With my second I breastfed for 1 yr, and its so much easier( and I even had problems with production). I would pump when my second wasn't sucking just to keep my production up b/c he ate so much. It's definately alot more work and very demanding, but its so worth it.

Anne - posted on 08/20/2009

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Breastfeeding is a real sacrifice. It's hard to get the knack of it especially when the other student learning with you is a newborn. You have to do it all the time but what a time you'll have. It's so convenient. You can just bring baby in bed with you at 3am and breastfed while sleeping. You wont roll over on the baby as long as you're not drunk or on drugs and if you are you shouldn't be breastfeeding anyways. Also, breastfeeding is a kind of a drug in its own right. Breastfeeding releases hormones called relaxin that "relaxes" you. Have a colicky baby? Breastfeed that screaming child and you both will feel a wave of calm almost immediately. Lastly, It's FREE!!!! What sucks about it is there's such a taboo about it in public. I decided long ago to not care about people and what they think. I popped "it" out wherever and whenever. I tell people my kid has to eat and that's why God installed these in the first place!

Mary - posted on 08/20/2009

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Breastfeeding... I love everything about it. It is great bonding, it's convenient(no mixing bottles) less work since there is no cleaning, sterilizing, etc. I can do it anywhere, anytime. It's HEALTHIER. That's why I love it, but it can be hard at 1st, I gave up with my 1st daughter.

Sadika - posted on 08/20/2009

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Breastfeeding of course!!! While I understand that some moms really have a hard time...I wish they would realize what they are depriving their children off!!! I work for an education expert and the number of children with ADD, ADHD, developmental dlays, behavior or academic problems is significantly less for kids that were breastfed!! Ear infections and speech delays are also significantly less in children that are breastfed!! When evaluating children that have a hard time in school it is quite common that professionals ask whether they are breastfed or not because it makes such a difference!

I feel that moms need to work a little harder and be less selfish and give their kids the best start possible! It took me two months to really get the breastfeeding down and I exclusivley breastfed twins for a year and woked 30 hours a week! We can do anything we set our minds on!!!

Jennifer - posted on 08/20/2009

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Quoting Jessica:



Quoting Jennifer:

Breast is the Best! I know everyone has their own way but if you don't at least try it then you are depriving your child of some of the best nourishment of their life. I LOVE breastfeeding. It gives me a sense of knowing that I'm doing the VERY BEST thing for my child. It's SOOOO easy to just make a bottle of formula and go, but you ARE NOT giving your child exactly what he/she needs. Mothers milk is the best....if you don't want to breast feed then at least pump your milk and bottle feed your child. It's just so much better. WHY WOULDN'T YOU DO IT?!!? I've breast fed in restaurants at the table and in the bathrooms...simply ask a waiter for a chair to be put in the handicap stall and away you go! It doesn't have to be difficult. Women who don't breast feed at all with a bottle or with the breast, I feel are just being selfish...its not about you, it's about the baby....unless there is a medical problem, there are no excuses.





And again with the ignorance! Some of us don't live in a ideal world where it is made so easy for us to achieve! Try reading the comments above! Not everyone is in a situation to do that! If I had carried on breast feeding my son, I could have lost my job through fatigue and wouldn't have been able to spend proper time playing with my son! Tat isn't medical but it's a damn good reason! I STOPPED BREASTFEEDING TO KEEP A ROOF OVER MY SONS HEAD AND ALLOW HIM THE BEST CHANCE OF A GOOD FUTURE THAT I CAN PROVIDE!



 



First of all.....quit throwing around the term ignorance....it's not nice. I'm not ignornant..nor was my statement...had you read it thoroughly, you would have noticed that I said "women who don't breastfeed AT ALL, be it by breast or bottle...is just being selfish"....YOU breastfed your baby.....so YOU don't fall under the "selfish" category now do you!?!? Read and then re-read again, then think before you write!



* Breastfeeding wasn't easy for me either when I first became a mother...I had sore, red & scabbed nipples...and later one of my breasts became engorged...but I still breastfed right through all the pain......I wasn't going to let these few things change my mind about BF. Plus I knew the sore & scabbed nipples wouldn't last forever! I got over it!





 

Jennifer - posted on 08/20/2009

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Posted by Jennifer Vega (12:57 pm)
Breast is the Best! I know everyone has their own way but if you don't at least try it then you are depriving your child of some of the best nourishment of their life. I LOVE breastfeeding. It gives me a sense of knowing that I'm doing the VERY BEST thing for my child. It's SOOOO easy to just make a bottle of formula and go, but you ARE NOT giving your child exactly what he/she needs. Mothers milk is the best....if you don't want to breast feed then at least pump your milk and bottle feed your child. It's just so much better. WHY WOULDN'T YOU DO IT?!!? I've breast fed in restaurants at the table and in the bathrooms...simply ask a waiter for a chair to be put in the handicap stall and away you go! It doesn't have to be difficult. Women who don't breast feed at all with a bottle or with the breast, I feel are just being selfish...its not about you, it's about the baby....unless there is a medical problem, there are no excuses.

that might be true back in 1902 that formula wasnt as good as breast milk but thats not the case today, i go to the MAYO clinic best drs. in the world and they told me that there isnt much differents if u choose to bottle feed they even have that clear liquide that come out at first in bottles now. and jess is right going back to work is a very good reason not th bf, having a place live, food to eat, clothing on ur backs is very important these day the way the economy is.


HOW can you honestly say that formula is just as good as mothers milk? Doctors & advertising companies have just impounded that in women's heads so they feel less guilty about goin straight to formula feeding. As for the mothers who say "I HAVE TO GO BACK TO WORK..."  that's wonderful..but, there are breast pumps out there. My friend (turned 26 in June) and first time mother as of April this year, went back to work after 3 months of maternity leave and takes her breast pump with her every day and on breaks and lunch time, pumps her milk. So to the moms that say it's to much of a hassel...that's just lazieness and selfish!"  Breast milk can be stored for a long period of time in your freezer. LET ME ASK YOU ALL THIS....."What if we didn't have formula!?!?" You'd all be S.O.L.!!! But yes, we do have it...but it's a crutch!!! No one said Motherhood was supposed to be easy!!! And as for the economy being the way it is now....WHO IN THE WORLD CAN AFFORD $15-$20 a week for one little bitty can of formula. Right there you'd be saving yourself a lot of money!  AND OMG...Colostrum in a bottle for those moms who won't give that to their kids in that first couple of days??? GROSS!!! Yes, it's also wonderful that Dads get to bond with their babies too by helping with the feeding....BUT....why can't he help with breast milk in the bottle instead of formula!!! And as for Krystal....I'm glad your child doesn't spit up or get sick as much as your sisters kids who are breastfed....but...maybe it's something she's eating or drinking or the baby isn't burped properly, is eating to fast or it's to cold in the house or the air ducts need to be cleaned or the house in general isn't clean.....I'M JUST SAYING MAYBE....!!!! There are lots of reasons why a breast fed baby could get sick. My husband turned our A/C down to 74 (after always having it on 76) one night and the vent was right over our daughters bassinett.....she caught a cold....does that mean that my milk isn't good enough!?!?! NO!!! That just means my husband needs to leave the A/C alone!!! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ladies!!! Maybe you all responded to my POST because there is some lingering guilt for bottle feeding!?!?!? CHECK YOURSELVES LADIES!!!





 

Becki - posted on 08/17/2009

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If anyone askes me I tell them breastfeed, breastfeed breastfeed. Any questions about getting your milk to come in for like triplets kellymom.com.

Reason I feel that way is because you can sleep and feed your child, you lose weight quicker, I feel that I have developed a closer bond to my child, you reduse your chance of breast cancer the longer you can breastfeed. and on and on

Amber - posted on 08/17/2009

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Quoting Laura:



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For all of you who quoted me: Really, you did not read what i said carefully so who is the ignorant one now? I said that using the excuse of "bottlefeeding is more convenient" are the moms that do things halfway. I said there were better excuses than that to not breastfeed. For example: having medical conditions that require medication(s) that would affect the breastmilk, going through some type of radiation, having HIV, addiction to drugs or alcohol, improper latch due to a medical reason, mom's who have had a breast reduction, etc. Please read things before you decide to criticize. Lastly just for further information, if you adopt you can breastfeed, it's a very dedicated process but many women have done it.







Well I still think that statement is ignorant as I am one of those mothers aswell, yet I don't do things halfway. And just because a mother CHOOSES to bottlefeed does not mean she does things halfway! That is HER decision, and hers alone! If a mother is uncomfortable breastfeeding baby will pick up on it meaning baby won't do so well. Not to mention there is a lack of education on this subject so a mother who chose to bottlefeed may have done so through misinformation or the sorts. So no I'm not ignorant, nor do I believe anyone else to be on this. Like I have said before, the key to getting more mothers to breastfeed is education and active and positive encouragement. Not negative statements like that!









Think what you want, you did call me ignorant. This is what I feel, and you should respect it. I didn't say your statement was ignorant although i didn't agree with it. You are right many mothers choose not to breastfeed for lack of education on the subject. I do give a lot of active and positive encouragement, to moms who are currently breastfeeding even if they only do it once a day. My statement was not directed to them, i didn't say at all they had to be exclusively bf. Before you decide to jump the gun you really should read things more carefully.








She did not state that you were ignorant, she said your statement was ignorant. There is a big difference! When you make a statement like your first one when you said women that choose to use formula oppose to breastfeeding because of convenience are lazy and do things half way. or when you stated that if you can do it any one can shouldn't have to be read carefully. If you don't want people to take things at face value then maybe you should explain yourself further in the first place.



When I read most of the reasons for choosing breast feeding it's mostly because of convenience or bonding and as i have stated several times you do not have to breast feed to bond with your child and if according to you someone choosing to do something for convenience is doing things half way then that could easily be turned around to breast feeding mothers taking the easy way out. formula feeding is in no way easy, having to make bottles at all times during the night remembering to take everything with you when you go out, washing and sterilizing the bottles after each use, i don't see anything easy about either bf or formula feeding. 



I applaud all of the mothers out there for doing what they feel is best for their child and loving them and caring for them, it is the hardest job in the world!

Arianne - posted on 08/17/2009

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I feel it is up to the mom to choose to breastfeed or use formula. I chose to breastfeed my son until he turned a year old which was only a month ago. I LOVED the bonding experience that breastfeeding had to offer and miss that time. However, I had plenty of friends who decided that breastfeeding wasn't for them or some couldn't produce enough milk and had to use formula. I say who cares what mom's choose to do as long as they are caring for their baby and making sure they are getting the nutrients that they need to be healthy.

Laura - posted on 08/17/2009

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Quoting Loureen:



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Quoting Laura:

I am a breastfeeding counselor with that being said, ofcourse breastfeeding. I understand that bottle feeding is more convenient at times, but those mom's are the moms that do things half way. That is not an excuse enough not to bf. There are other valid excuses! I loved bf my daughter I did until she weaned herself at about 11 months and right when she did that I just started her on whole milk. No formula for my baby only if it was really necessary. I went back to work 7 weeks post partum, and worked 32 hours a week, I was still able to bf. If I can do it, everyone can!











Considering your a bf councellor you sure hold no sympathy for the moms who COULDN'T bf. I bottle feed my son and never do things 'half way'.  Like I'm not upset that my son didn't latch properly, or started losing too much weight so I had to combine feed. Not everyone is in the same situation where everything is alrite or available to help continue breast feeding.  Everyone's situation is different, which ends in different results with this subject. That statement is an ignorant one.












 












In a thread a while ago one mum said that the reason formula feeding mums defend the bottle so much is because they are ashamed they didn't breastfeed. Has anyone ever considered that the mums who bottle feed aren't ashamed but upset that they couldn't? Or how about surrogacy? Those babies are going to get formula fed! What about adoptees? What about financial situations dictating your work hours? I work 32 hours a week aswell and gave over to exclusive formula feeding because of this. I work in a hospital where the hours of work are slighlty out of shift with the rest of the world! Not to mention I'm a single parent and have several health problems. I get tired VERY easily, yet I still work 32 hours a week in a hospital. If I'm not up to scratch then my son isn't. Formula has given me the chance to enjoy every moment with my son by not having to night feed anymore, by being able to whip a batch up and thats his food for the morning and afternoon! I get the sleep I need to be able to get up and play with my son while providing a decent future for him instead of staying at home on benefits!












So yes, that for me is a good enough excuse! And no, I'm not doing anything halfway. I am proud that I am doing everything in my power to provide the best life and future possible for my son.












i couldnt agree more, i have lost count of the times i have received FILTHY looks from breast feeding mothers as soon as i mention bottlefeeding! its as if because we are not breast feeding that we dont deserve to be mums, there is so much breastfeeding support, but what about support for these bottlefeeding mothers, who are at an emotional low because of all the negativity we get, and though i KNOW this was best for my son i have felt at times too ashamed to say i bottle feed beacusof all the reasons i mentioned







Yes, I know what you mean. I took my son to a mom and baby group where everyone breastfeed except me. As soon as I took the bottle out to feed him the conversation stopped and everyone stared at me! Just like in the old Westerns lol. I went once more after that but half of them wouldn't speak to me and the other half kept pushing breastfeeding on me! Don't get me wrong! I am pro-breastfeeding if it is possible and feasible, but in my situation it wasn't, I was mentally, emotionally and physically drained so that I couldn't even hold my son for any length of time and that really upset me! So I started exclusively formula feeding and now I have a happy healthy 9 month old that is almost walking on his own and LOVES to play with mummy cos mummy has the energy to do so!









I have to agree, SOME BF mums are very rude and judgemental before knowing the full facts , the world isnt black and white there are areas that are different shades of grey .






And a BF councellor should know better , shame .






People have different reasons for doing what they do and there are many mothers out their who can only Dream of BF their child but cant , so before anyone goes ranting on about " lazy " mothers how about getting to know every single one of the mothers who " bottle feed's"  stories before jumping to conclusions and falsley accusing people .






Its not a pretty personality trait to be judgemental .






I wasn't being judgemental and if you read my comment properly you would know that I said that bottle feeding is more convenient was not a good enough excuse to not bf. I said there were other valid excuses, so yes as a bf counselor, I do know life is not black and white. People need to read comments carefully before posting things that are incorrect.

Laura - posted on 08/17/2009

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Quoting Jessica:



Quoting Laura:

For all of you who quoted me: Really, you did not read what i said carefully so who is the ignorant one now? I said that using the excuse of "bottlefeeding is more convenient" are the moms that do things halfway. I said there were better excuses than that to not breastfeed. For example: having medical conditions that require medication(s) that would affect the breastmilk, going through some type of radiation, having HIV, addiction to drugs or alcohol, improper latch due to a medical reason, mom's who have had a breast reduction, etc. Please read things before you decide to criticize. Lastly just for further information, if you adopt you can breastfeed, it's a very dedicated process but many women have done it.





Well I still think that statement is ignorant as I am one of those mothers aswell, yet I don't do things halfway. And just because a mother CHOOSES to bottlefeed does not mean she does things halfway! That is HER decision, and hers alone! If a mother is uncomfortable breastfeeding baby will pick up on it meaning baby won't do so well. Not to mention there is a lack of education on this subject so a mother who chose to bottlefeed may have done so through misinformation or the sorts. So no I'm not ignorant, nor do I believe anyone else to be on this. Like I have said before, the key to getting more mothers to breastfeed is education and active and positive encouragement. Not negative statements like that!





Think what you want, you did call me ignorant. This is what I feel, and you should respect it. I didn't say your statement was ignorant although i didn't agree with it. You are right many mothers choose not to breastfeed for lack of education on the subject. I do give a lot of active and positive encouragement, to moms who are currently breastfeeding even if they only do it once a day. My statement was not directed to them, i didn't say at all they had to be exclusively bf. Before you decide to jump the gun you really should read things more carefully.

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Quoting Eirini:



Quoting Jessica:




Quoting Loureen:





Quoting Jessica:






Quoting rebecca:







Quoting Jessica:








Quoting Laura:

I am a breastfeeding counselor with that being said, ofcourse breastfeeding. I understand that bottle feeding is more convenient at times, but those mom's are the moms that do things half way. That is not an excuse enough not to bf. There are other valid excuses! I loved bf my daughter I did until she weaned herself at about 11 months and right when she did that I just started her on whole milk. No formula for my baby only if it was really necessary. I went back to work 7 weeks post partum, and worked 32 hours a week, I was still able to bf. If I can do it, everyone can!















Considering your a bf councellor you sure hold no sympathy for the moms who COULDN'T bf. I bottle feed my son and never do things 'half way'.  Like I'm not upset that my son didn't latch properly, or started losing too much weight so I had to combine feed. Not everyone is in the same situation where everything is alrite or available to help continue breast feeding.  Everyone's situation is different, which ends in different results with this subject. That statement is an ignorant one.
















 
















In a thread a while ago one mum said that the reason formula feeding mums defend the bottle so much is because they are ashamed they didn't breastfeed. Has anyone ever considered that the mums who bottle feed aren't ashamed but upset that they couldn't? Or how about surrogacy? Those babies are going to get formula fed! What about adoptees? What about financial situations dictating your work hours? I work 32 hours a week aswell and gave over to exclusive formula feeding because of this. I work in a hospital where the hours of work are slighlty out of shift with the rest of the world! Not to mention I'm a single parent and have several health problems. I get tired VERY easily, yet I still work 32 hours a week in a hospital. If I'm not up to scratch then my son isn't. Formula has given me the chance to enjoy every moment with my son by not having to night feed anymore, by being able to whip a batch up and thats his food for the morning and afternoon! I get the sleep I need to be able to get up and play with my son while providing a decent future for him instead of staying at home on benefits!
















So yes, that for me is a good enough excuse! And no, I'm not doing anything halfway. I am proud that I am doing everything in my power to provide the best life and future possible for my son.
















i couldnt agree more, i have lost count of the times i have received FILTHY looks from breast feeding mothers as soon as i mention bottlefeeding! its as if because we are not breast feeding that we dont deserve to be mums, there is so much breastfeeding support, but what about support for these bottlefeeding mothers, who are at an emotional low because of all the negativity we get, and though i KNOW this was best for my son i have felt at times too ashamed to say i bottle feed beacusof all the reasons i mentioned











Yes, I know what you mean. I took my son to a mom and baby group where everyone breastfeed except me. As soon as I took the bottle out to feed him the conversation stopped and everyone stared at me! Just like in the old Westerns lol. I went once more after that but half of them wouldn't speak to me and the other half kept pushing breastfeeding on me! Don't get me wrong! I am pro-breastfeeding if it is possible and feasible, but in my situation it wasn't, I was mentally, emotionally and physically drained so that I couldn't even hold my son for any length of time and that really upset me! So I started exclusively formula feeding and now I have a happy healthy 9 month old that is almost walking on his own and LOVES to play with mummy cos mummy has the energy to do so!















I have to agree, SOME BF mums are very rude and judgemental before knowing the full facts , the world isnt black and white there are areas that are different shades of grey .










And a BF councellor should know better , shame .










People have different reasons for doing what they do and there are many mothers out their who can only Dream of BF their child but cant , so before anyone goes ranting on about " lazy " mothers how about getting to know every single one of the mothers who " bottle feed's"  stories before jumping to conclusions and falsley accusing people .










Its not a pretty personality trait to be judgemental .












Precisely! That's exactly what I was trying to say! Thank you Loureen. The way I see it is that if you have tried and it hasn't worked then there is no shame in bottle feeding, saying that I won't condemn anyone who bottle fed from the off as it is usually through lack of education that the decision is made. We need more information put out there on the benefits of breastfeeding in order to educate more women on the subject. I'm trying to get breastfeeding groups, meetings and classes held in my area as there are alot of young mothers who chose to bottlefeed because of lack of information. There is nothing wrong with encouraging breastfeeding, but it IS wrong to judge someone when you don't know there situation.










I am honestly going to say that when I read this I read it and looked at it from all perspectives...I am a firm believer in taking something for what it is worth and the rest just let it go...people have different perceptions on the same things...I see this in a different perspective...she said "she agrees that bottle feeding is more convenient and those are the mothers that do things half way" the way I took this is those who choose formula over breast milk  who are perfectly capable to breastfeed and just do things for convenience do things half way...basically meaning those who want to do it because of their own selfish reasons and not putting their child first knowing the health benefits that go along with breast feeding..then she went on to say "that there are other valid reasons" why people dont breastfeed like inverted nipples and health reasons that you simply cannot breast feed....also she said that she gave her child formula only when it was necessary...she then stated she went back to work 7 weeks postpartum with 32 hrs a week...I also think this is a general statement and I do believe that she was not simply saying it to condemn anyone...we talk about judging others but are we not doing the same by judging her statement...as I said before this is a matter of opinion and we do not know why people choose what they choose most of the time..I also believe that breast are made for breastfeeding but for some reason you cannot then GOD will provide an alternative and thats why our children can still end up healthy on formula in some situations...





Thank you! That is what I meant. I feel like everyone just decided to judge my comment without really reading it. As a counselor, I see women who try bf, the first day and give up, and I still praise them for atleast trying. I will always believe bf is best. But I prefer to see moms do both than not bf at all. To be quite honest there are many counselor's out there who are not even that open minded about formula. Thank you again!

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Quoting Laura:

For all of you who quoted me: Really, you did not read what i said carefully so who is the ignorant one now? I said that using the excuse of "bottlefeeding is more convenient" are the moms that do things halfway. I said there were better excuses than that to not breastfeed. For example: having medical conditions that require medication(s) that would affect the breastmilk, going through some type of radiation, having HIV, addiction to drugs or alcohol, improper latch due to a medical reason, mom's who have had a breast reduction, etc. Please read things before you decide to criticize. Lastly just for further information, if you adopt you can breastfeed, it's a very dedicated process but many women have done it.


Well I still think that statement is ignorant as I am one of those mothers aswell, yet I don't do things halfway. And just because a mother CHOOSES to bottlefeed does not mean she does things halfway! That is HER decision, and hers alone! If a mother is uncomfortable breastfeeding baby will pick up on it meaning baby won't do so well. Not to mention there is a lack of education on this subject so a mother who chose to bottlefeed may have done so through misinformation or the sorts. So no I'm not ignorant, nor do I believe anyone else to be on this. Like I have said before, the key to getting more mothers to breastfeed is education and active and positive encouragement. Not negative statements like that!

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I breastfed my first one, even though I had an especially hard time doing so at first. I think that as long as you are living a healthy life (not smoking or anything like that) then it is better for babies. My daughter is ahead in school and very smart. But also with my next baby, I think I will do both. Mainly breastfeeding, but her dad felt like he was missing out, so that way he could help, too. And with being open, you don't have to worry so much about if you are always there at the right second.

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For all of you who quoted me: Really, you did not read what i said carefully so who is the ignorant one now? I said that using the excuse of "bottlefeeding is more convenient" are the moms that do things halfway. I said there were better excuses than that to not breastfeed. For example: having medical conditions that require medication(s) that would affect the breastmilk, going through some type of radiation, having HIV, addiction to drugs or alcohol, improper latch due to a medical reason, mom's who have had a breast reduction, etc. Please read things before you decide to criticize. Lastly just for further information, if you adopt you can breastfeed, it's a very dedicated process but many women have done it.

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As a nurse and mom I prefer breastfeeding over formula. Breastfeeding offers more benefits. Babies are born with no immune system, and breastfeeding not only supplements the babies lack of immunity but also offers mom and baby a chance to bond. A plus is also that breastfeeding aides mom in loosing the pregnancy weight.

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Quoting Eirini:



Quoting Jessica:




Quoting Loureen:






I have to agree, SOME BF mums are very rude and judgemental before knowing the full facts , the world isnt black and white there are areas that are different shades of grey .










And a BF councellor should know better , shame .










People have different reasons for doing what they do and there are many mothers out their who can only Dream of BF their child but cant , so before anyone goes ranting on about " lazy " mothers how about getting to know every single one of the mothers who " bottle feed's"  stories before jumping to conclusions and falsley accusing people .










Its not a pretty personality trait to be judgemental .












Precisely! That's exactly what I was trying to say! Thank you Loureen. The way I see it is that if you have tried and it hasn't worked then there is no shame in bottle feeding, saying that I won't condemn anyone who bottle fed from the off as it is usually through lack of education that the decision is made. We need more information put out there on the benefits of breastfeeding in order to educate more women on the subject. I'm trying to get breastfeeding groups, meetings and classes held in my area as there are alot of young mothers who chose to bottlefeed because of lack of information. There is nothing wrong with encouraging breastfeeding, but it IS wrong to judge someone when you don't know there situation.










I am honestly going to say that when I read this I read it and looked at it from all perspectives...I am a firm believer in taking something for what it is worth and the rest just let it go...people have different perceptions on the same things...I see this in a different perspective...she said "she agrees that bottle feeding is more convenient and those are the mothers that do things half way" the way I took this is those who choose formula over breast milk  who are perfectly capable to breastfeed and just do things for convenience do things half way...basically meaning those who want to do it because of their own selfish reasons and not putting their child first knowing the health benefits that go along with breast feeding..then she went on to say "that there are other valid reasons" why people dont breastfeed like inverted nipples and health reasons that you simply cannot breast feed....also she said that she gave her child formula only when it was necessary...she then stated she went back to work 7 weeks postpartum with 32 hrs a week...I also think this is a general statement and I do believe that she was not simply saying it to condemn anyone...we talk about judging others but are we not doing the same by judging her statement...as I said before this is a matter of opinion and we do not know why people choose what they choose most of the time..I also believe that breast are made for breastfeeding but for some reason you cannot then GOD will provide an alternative and thats why our children can still end up healthy on formula in some situations...





Hi Eirini, Thank you for posting back but I have to say that I have also looked at this from all perspectives and the only positive thing I have found in the statement was "there are other valid reasons" but when taken into context with the rest of the statement I find it stands out and has no place. It is not a statement on it's own as there is nothing to refer to it and it is not connected to another sentence. I did not, as soon as I saw it, go mad and rant about it. I thought about the possibilities of what she may be trying to say and although you are right about how she may have meant the "half way" mothers it still does not discount the fact that she put out a very negative and demoralising statement to all mothers out there who bottlefeed, regardless of their circumstances. I returned to work 6 weeks post partum and found I couldn't carry on giving him the breast. If I am too tired to even hold my son for any length of time and that is avoidable then then IMO and my particular situation I am not doing the best I can for my son.  And also, I'm sorry but I don't believe in God.

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The Breast is best - we all know that. Moms have enough on their plate and shouldn't feel bad for their decisions. I breastfed my 1st for 12m and my 2nd for 15m and still nursing 3rd @ 13m. That being said formula feeding is nothing to be ashamed of! Shameful is NOT feeding your baby! I knew and turned in a person cause she was only feeding her baby twice a day and never at night and he ws only 2 months old! Be proud of your healthy happy baby and yourself for providing nutrition to your baby - whether breast or bottle fed.

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referring to laura's quote about mums who dont breastfeed do a 'half way' job at being a parent. wow gee thanks for making the mums of the world who are already having difficulties feel even worse about themselves. its narrowmindedness like that that causes more depression and feelings like you're a failure as a parent. i am pregnant and intend to bottlefeed. no i dont have any excuses i just prefer it. i feel more comfortable with it and i think a mother should go with what she feels comfortable with and be the best mum she could be rather than follow what everyone else thinks, i mean how are you supposed to have a healthy relationship with your child if it's obvious that you're uncomfortable?

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I'm a nurse and recently had to take a breastfeeding class taught by both a neonatologist (high risk newborn doctor) and a lactation consultant. I thought I already knew all there was to know about breastfeeding. But, I found that I only new a small part of the OVERWHELMING research out there supporting the benefits of breastfeeding. It's not just better, it's miraculous!

To name a few for baby:

fewer hospital admissions/ Dr visits, lower risk of SIDS, diabetes, obesity, allergies, asthma, better jaw development, higher IQ's, better hearing and vision, and healthier bowels, and just tastes better (very sweet). To put it simply, breastfed babies make healthier babies who in turn grow up to be healthier people.

Benefits to mom: hormones released during breastfeeding work to relax mom during what can be a trying time (post-partum), can burn round 200-500 calories a day (eat some ice cream and burn it off by feeding your baby), less incidence of post partum depression, cheaper (by FAR), convenient (no bottles, and you never forget your boobs when you go places), less chances of ovarian, breast, and uterine cancer. And, even if baby wakes up at night, the relaxation works almost like a drug to help both you and baby fall easily back to sleep together. (I recommend co-sleeping to help you breastfeed longer than just a few months). The longer you breastfeed, the better. Many of the benefits are seen when breastfeeding is continued for at least 6 months - 12 months.



Not going to lie, formula fed babies might sleep a little longer, can be fed by anyone, and you don't have to conceal your boobs when you feed the baby, and sometimes breastfeeding is hard to get the hang of. But, when comparing the two, breastfeeding kicks formulas butt time and time again.

If you find that breastfeeding is difficult, there are all kinds of resources to help you. http://www.llli.org/ is a great resource. I also read Dr Sears "The breastfeeding book" and attended some breastfeeding classes in my area when I had difficulties. I had some challenges, but found lots of support and now have a perfectly healthy (and adorably chunky) 5 month old who hasn't been sick a day in his life. The bond is amazing, and I've never loved cuddling more in my life.

Sorry this is so long, but I'm passionate about letting women know that formula doesn't feed your baby as well as your boobies can. The few days/weeks of adjustment to breastfeeding is WELL worth the lifetime of benefits for you and your baby.

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Quoting Amber:

Why does every one say that bf allows you to bond with your child and just assumes that bottle feeding doesn't?



My thoughts exactley

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I really had to push through the first week of sore nipples, but I like breastfeeding just because its easier. It also gets my husband more involved, since I can say that since I'm the only one who can feed our son, he has to deal with 90% of all diapers, baths, walks, naps, etc. I completely understand why a lot of moms would want to bottle feed (and, no, I don't think breastfeeding is so much better for the baby, no matter what the studies say), but I feel that breastfeeding is just more convenient.

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Breastfeeding, personally I find it easy to do and convenient. I love the look in my daughter's eyes when she is nursing, it makes me feel as though I am the only one who can love and give her that one benefit to her. I find that breastfeeding causes less gas in a baby, plus it helps me lose weight after giving birth ( not to mention all the great benefits for her). You can nurse anywhere you want and in times like these, it sure helps that its free.

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To each their own!!!!

I have been breastfeeding my son exclusively for ten months now and its wonderful for us! Very healthy for ud as well.

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i prefer breastfeeding! It is so much more than just nutrition for your baby it is emotional and spritual it is the only thing only you can provide for them. It is so much better for your children studies have shown that breastfed babies rarely grow up and have weight issues and most of the time have higher IQ scores. They also rarely get sick as in ear aches and coughs and if they get sick it is a milder case becaue they are still getting your antibodies. It helps mom to lose weight too! Yeah! It is the best feeling in the world to look down at your child and know you are giving them the best start in life no preservaties no heating necessary and no need to carry bottles or formula it is always available and ready! even in the middle of the night!



Breat milk is not the only thing you can provide for you child, you can provide love and emotional support, trust, education, understanding, care, the list can go on and on and on. both my children were formula feed and are both very skinny, my seven year old, in the second grade reads and does math at a fifth grade leavle and scores in the 99th percentile in the country for fifth grade math and reading. a very high iq. neither of my children have ever had ear aches, and rairly had colds. you expeariance the best feeling in the world any time you look at your children, not just because you are breastfeeding them!

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Breastfeeding, its great! it also makes a great connection between you and your baby. i just love it. also ive heard that babies are less likely to get sick the longer you breast feed compared to a baby that is feed only with formula .and if u need to ever leave your baby with grandma or anyone then you could pump or use formula.

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i prefer breastfeeding! It is so much more than just nutrition for your baby it is emotional and spritual it is the only thing only you can provide for them. It is so much better for your children studies have shown that breastfed babies rarely grow up and have weight issues and most of the time have higher IQ scores. They also rarely get sick as in ear aches and coughs and if they get sick it is a milder case becaue they are still getting your antibodies. It helps mom to lose weight too! Yeah! It is the best feeling in the world to look down at your child and know you are giving them the best start in life no preservaties no heating necessary and no need to carry bottles or formula it is always available and ready! even in the middle of the night!

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Quoting Jessica:



Quoting Loureen:




Quoting Jessica:





Quoting rebecca:






Quoting Jessica:







Quoting Laura:

I am a breastfeeding counselor with that being said, ofcourse breastfeeding. I understand that bottle feeding is more convenient at times, but those mom's are the moms that do things half way. That is not an excuse enough not to bf. There are other valid excuses! I loved bf my daughter I did until she weaned herself at about 11 months and right when she did that I just started her on whole milk. No formula for my baby only if it was really necessary. I went back to work 7 weeks post partum, and worked 32 hours a week, I was still able to bf. If I can do it, everyone can!













Considering your a bf councellor you sure hold no sympathy for the moms who COULDN'T bf. I bottle feed my son and never do things 'half way'.  Like I'm not upset that my son didn't latch properly, or started losing too much weight so I had to combine feed. Not everyone is in the same situation where everything is alrite or available to help continue breast feeding.  Everyone's situation is different, which ends in different results with this subject. That statement is an ignorant one.














 














In a thread a while ago one mum said that the reason formula feeding mums defend the bottle so much is because they are ashamed they didn't breastfeed. Has anyone ever considered that the mums who bottle feed aren't ashamed but upset that they couldn't? Or how about surrogacy? Those babies are going to get formula fed! What about adoptees? What about financial situations dictating your work hours? I work 32 hours a week aswell and gave over to exclusive formula feeding because of this. I work in a hospital where the hours of work are slighlty out of shift with the rest of the world! Not to mention I'm a single parent and have several health problems. I get tired VERY easily, yet I still work 32 hours a week in a hospital. If I'm not up to scratch then my son isn't. Formula has given me the chance to enjoy every moment with my son by not having to night feed anymore, by being able to whip a batch up and thats his food for the morning and afternoon! I get the sleep I need to be able to get up and play with my son while providing a decent future for him instead of staying at home on benefits!














So yes, that for me is a good enough excuse! And no, I'm not doing anything halfway. I am proud that I am doing everything in my power to provide the best life and future possible for my son.














i couldnt agree more, i have lost count of the times i have received FILTHY looks from breast feeding mothers as soon as i mention bottlefeeding! its as if because we are not breast feeding that we dont deserve to be mums, there is so much breastfeeding support, but what about support for these bottlefeeding mothers, who are at an emotional low because of all the negativity we get, and though i KNOW this was best for my son i have felt at times too ashamed to say i bottle feed beacusof all the reasons i mentioned









Yes, I know what you mean. I took my son to a mom and baby group where everyone breastfeed except me. As soon as I took the bottle out to feed him the conversation stopped and everyone stared at me! Just like in the old Westerns lol. I went once more after that but half of them wouldn't speak to me and the other half kept pushing breastfeeding on me! Don't get me wrong! I am pro-breastfeeding if it is possible and feasible, but in my situation it wasn't, I was mentally, emotionally and physically drained so that I couldn't even hold my son for any length of time and that really upset me! So I started exclusively formula feeding and now I have a happy healthy 9 month old that is almost walking on his own and LOVES to play with mummy cos mummy has the energy to do so!












I have to agree, SOME BF mums are very rude and judgemental before knowing the full facts , the world isnt black and white there are areas that are different shades of grey .








And a BF councellor should know better , shame .








People have different reasons for doing what they do and there are many mothers out their who can only Dream of BF their child but cant , so before anyone goes ranting on about " lazy " mothers how about getting to know every single one of the mothers who " bottle feed's"  stories before jumping to conclusions and falsley accusing people .








Its not a pretty personality trait to be judgemental .









Precisely! That's exactly what I was trying to say! Thank you Loureen. The way I see it is that if you have tried and it hasn't worked then there is no shame in bottle feeding, saying that I won't condemn anyone who bottle fed from the off as it is usually through lack of education that the decision is made. We need more information put out there on the benefits of breastfeeding in order to educate more women on the subject. I'm trying to get breastfeeding groups, meetings and classes held in my area as there are alot of young mothers who chose to bottlefeed because of lack of information. There is nothing wrong with encouraging breastfeeding, but it IS wrong to judge someone when you don't know there situation.






I am honestly going to say that when I read this I read it and looked at it from all perspectives...I am a firm believer in taking something for what it is worth and the rest just let it go...people have different perceptions on the same things...I see this in a different perspective...she said "she agrees that bottle feeding is more convenient and those are the mothers that do things half way" the way I took this is those who choose formula over breast milk  who are perfectly capable to breastfeed and just do things for convenience do things half way...basically meaning those who want to do it because of their own selfish reasons and not putting their child first knowing the health benefits that go along with breast feeding..then she went on to say "that there are other valid reasons" why people dont breastfeed like inverted nipples and health reasons that you simply cannot breast feed....also she said that she gave her child formula only when it was necessary...she then stated she went back to work 7 weeks postpartum with 32 hrs a week...I also think this is a general statement and I do believe that she was not simply saying it to condemn anyone...we talk about judging others but are we not doing the same by judging her statement...as I said before this is a matter of opinion and we do not know why people choose what they choose most of the time..I also believe that breast are made for breastfeeding but for some reason you cannot then GOD will provide an alternative and thats why our children can still end up healthy on formula in some situations...

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I've been breastfeeding my son since he was born and he's now almost 8 months. He's never had an ear infection, he's never been sick at all. Him and I have a very close bond. At first it was really tough because my nipples got sore and dreaded latching him on because it hurt so bad but after a little lanolin which i recommend highly I was healed and we were back on track. I've thought about giving him formula now that he's gotten older but for some reason I can't bring myself to do it. I may not be able to go out drinking or smoke but its so worth it and everyone else has still bonded with him without feeding him. Plus its so much cheaper and you don't have to get up and warm a bottle every time they get up, its extremely convenient.

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Quoting Laura:

I am a breastfeeding counselor with that being said, ofcourse breastfeeding. I understand that bottle feeding is more convenient at times, but those mom's are the moms that do things half way. That is not an excuse enough not to bf. There are other valid excuses! I loved bf my daughter I did until she weaned herself at about 11 months and right when she did that I just started her on whole milk. No formula for my baby only if it was really necessary. I went back to work 7 weeks post partum, and worked 32 hours a week, I was still able to bf. If I can do it, everyone can!















Considering your a bf councellor you sure hold no sympathy for the moms who COULDN'T bf. I bottle feed my son and never do things 'half way'.  Like I'm not upset that my son didn't latch properly, or started losing too much weight so I had to combine feed. Not everyone is in the same situation where everything is alrite or available to help continue breast feeding.  Everyone's situation is different, which ends in different results with this subject. That statement is an ignorant one.
















 
















In a thread a while ago one mum said that the reason formula feeding mums defend the bottle so much is because they are ashamed they didn't breastfeed. Has anyone ever considered that the mums who bottle feed aren't ashamed but upset that they couldn't? Or how about surrogacy? Those babies are going to get formula fed! What about adoptees? What about financial situations dictating your work hours? I work 32 hours a week aswell and gave over to exclusive formula feeding because of this. I work in a hospital where the hours of work are slighlty out of shift with the rest of the world! Not to mention I'm a single parent and have several health problems. I get tired VERY easily, yet I still work 32 hours a week in a hospital. If I'm not up to scratch then my son isn't. Formula has given me the chance to enjoy every moment with my son by not having to night feed anymore, by being able to whip a batch up and thats his food for the morning and afternoon! I get the sleep I need to be able to get up and play with my son while providing a decent future for him instead of staying at home on benefits!
















So yes, that for me is a good enough excuse! And no, I'm not doing anything halfway. I am proud that I am doing everything in my power to provide the best life and future possible for my son.
















i couldnt agree more, i have lost count of the times i have received FILTHY looks from breast feeding mothers as soon as i mention bottlefeeding! its as if because we are not breast feeding that we dont deserve to be mums, there is so much breastfeeding support, but what about support for these bottlefeeding mothers, who are at an emotional low because of all the negativity we get, and though i KNOW this was best for my son i have felt at times too ashamed to say i bottle feed beacusof all the reasons i mentioned











Yes, I know what you mean. I took my son to a mom and baby group where everyone breastfeed except me. As soon as I took the bottle out to feed him the conversation stopped and everyone stared at me! Just like in the old Westerns lol. I went once more after that but half of them wouldn't speak to me and the other half kept pushing breastfeeding on me! Don't get me wrong! I am pro-breastfeeding if it is possible and feasible, but in my situation it wasn't, I was mentally, emotionally and physically drained so that I couldn't even hold my son for any length of time and that really upset me! So I started exclusively formula feeding and now I have a happy healthy 9 month old that is almost walking on his own and LOVES to play with mummy cos mummy has the energy to do so!















I have to agree, SOME BF mums are very rude and judgemental before knowing the full facts , the world isnt black and white there are areas that are different shades of grey .










And a BF councellor should know better , shame .










People have different reasons for doing what they do and there are many mothers out their who can only Dream of BF their child but cant , so before anyone goes ranting on about " lazy " mothers how about getting to know every single one of the mothers who " bottle feed's"  stories before jumping to conclusions and falsley accusing people .










Its not a pretty personality trait to be judgemental .












Precisely! That's exactly what I was trying to say! Thank you Loureen. The way I see it is that if you have tried and it hasn't worked then there is no shame in bottle feeding, saying that I won't condemn anyone who bottle fed from the off as it is usually through lack of education that the decision is made. We need more information put out there on the benefits of breastfeeding in order to educate more women on the subject. I'm trying to get breastfeeding groups, meetings and classes held in my area as there are alot of young mothers who chose to bottlefeed because of lack of information. There is nothing wrong with encouraging breastfeeding, but it IS wrong to judge someone when you don't know there situation.










 






I'm a BF mom and I think DO WHAT WORKS FOR YOU!! I know lots of mothers that formula feed and their babies are happy and healthy , some more then mine!!!!!  A bottle is great for daddy to have bonding time! and BF is wonderful mommy bonding time!  






I don't think anyone should feel bad about the way they feed their child! If they are happy and healthy then your doing great! 






( not to mention you mommy probably get more sleep then me i'm very jealous my son is 9 months and still feeds twice throughout the night) !!!!!





Lol, well he sleeps from 9pmish to between 6am - 7.30am! lol That's for me with 1 nap during the day. With his dad he has 2 naps in the day and sleeps from 8pm till 8am. He is smart enough to know what buttons to push and when! lol



So yea he sleeps through the night but he doesn't get the same nutrition as he would from breastfeeding, which upsets me a bit and this is why I get a little angry at the judgmental people who just assume I'm bottle feeding for my own convenience! Sorry, I tend to rant!

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Quoting Jessica:



Quoting Loureen:




Quoting Jessica:





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Quoting Jessica:







Quoting Laura:

I am a breastfeeding counselor with that being said, ofcourse breastfeeding. I understand that bottle feeding is more convenient at times, but those mom's are the moms that do things half way. That is not an excuse enough not to bf. There are other valid excuses! I loved bf my daughter I did until she weaned herself at about 11 months and right when she did that I just started her on whole milk. No formula for my baby only if it was really necessary. I went back to work 7 weeks post partum, and worked 32 hours a week, I was still able to bf. If I can do it, everyone can!













Considering your a bf councellor you sure hold no sympathy for the moms who COULDN'T bf. I bottle feed my son and never do things 'half way'.  Like I'm not upset that my son didn't latch properly, or started losing too much weight so I had to combine feed. Not everyone is in the same situation where everything is alrite or available to help continue breast feeding.  Everyone's situation is different, which ends in different results with this subject. That statement is an ignorant one.














 














In a thread a while ago one mum said that the reason formula feeding mums defend the bottle so much is because they are ashamed they didn't breastfeed. Has anyone ever considered that the mums who bottle feed aren't ashamed but upset that they couldn't? Or how about surrogacy? Those babies are going to get formula fed! What about adoptees? What about financial situations dictating your work hours? I work 32 hours a week aswell and gave over to exclusive formula feeding because of this. I work in a hospital where the hours of work are slighlty out of shift with the rest of the world! Not to mention I'm a single parent and have several health problems. I get tired VERY easily, yet I still work 32 hours a week in a hospital. If I'm not up to scratch then my son isn't. Formula has given me the chance to enjoy every moment with my son by not having to night feed anymore, by being able to whip a batch up and thats his food for the morning and afternoon! I get the sleep I need to be able to get up and play with my son while providing a decent future for him instead of staying at home on benefits!














So yes, that for me is a good enough excuse! And no, I'm not doing anything halfway. I am proud that I am doing everything in my power to provide the best life and future possible for my son.














i couldnt agree more, i have lost count of the times i have received FILTHY looks from breast feeding mothers as soon as i mention bottlefeeding! its as if because we are not breast feeding that we dont deserve to be mums, there is so much breastfeeding support, but what about support for these bottlefeeding mothers, who are at an emotional low because of all the negativity we get, and though i KNOW this was best for my son i have felt at times too ashamed to say i bottle feed beacusof all the reasons i mentioned









Yes, I know what you mean. I took my son to a mom and baby group where everyone breastfeed except me. As soon as I took the bottle out to feed him the conversation stopped and everyone stared at me! Just like in the old Westerns lol. I went once more after that but half of them wouldn't speak to me and the other half kept pushing breastfeeding on me! Don't get me wrong! I am pro-breastfeeding if it is possible and feasible, but in my situation it wasn't, I was mentally, emotionally and physically drained so that I couldn't even hold my son for any length of time and that really upset me! So I started exclusively formula feeding and now I have a happy healthy 9 month old that is almost walking on his own and LOVES to play with mummy cos mummy has the energy to do so!












I have to agree, SOME BF mums are very rude and judgemental before knowing the full facts , the world isnt black and white there are areas that are different shades of grey .








And a BF councellor should know better , shame .








People have different reasons for doing what they do and there are many mothers out their who can only Dream of BF their child but cant , so before anyone goes ranting on about " lazy " mothers how about getting to know every single one of the mothers who " bottle feed's"  stories before jumping to conclusions and falsley accusing people .








Its not a pretty personality trait to be judgemental .









Precisely! That's exactly what I was trying to say! Thank you Loureen. The way I see it is that if you have tried and it hasn't worked then there is no shame in bottle feeding, saying that I won't condemn anyone who bottle fed from the off as it is usually through lack of education that the decision is made. We need more information put out there on the benefits of breastfeeding in order to educate more women on the subject. I'm trying to get breastfeeding groups, meetings and classes held in my area as there are alot of young mothers who chose to bottlefeed because of lack of information. There is nothing wrong with encouraging breastfeeding, but it IS wrong to judge someone when you don't know there situation.



 



I'm a BF mom and I think DO WHAT WORKS FOR YOU!! I know lots of mothers that formula feed and their babies are happy and healthy , some more then mine!!!!!  A bottle is great for daddy to have bonding time! and BF is wonderful mommy bonding time!  



I don't think anyone should feel bad about the way they feed their child! If they are happy and healthy then your doing great! 



( not to mention you mommy probably get more sleep then me i'm very jealous my son is 9 months and still feeds twice throughout the night) !!!!!





 

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Breastfeeding!!! It has brought me and my son so close together. It's just a wonderful experience. Not to mention very cost efficient and convenient. You don't have to warm up any bottles and formula is soooooo expensive I bought one can just to have at home and it was 25 dollers. I would suggest always trying for at least 4 months and if it's not for you switch to formula =D No harm in trying, not to mention there is so many benefits for you baby

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You know...I am absolutely APALLED by the responses that I've read from some of the mothers on here. This is what pissed me off and made me extremely depressed when I realized that I COULDN'T breastfeed my daughter bc I couldnt produce the milk. I've heard in breastfeeding classes, and magazine articles, and books that BF is THE ONLY option to consider, and formula feeding is just the "easy way out".

I tried to BF my daughter and it was a horrible experience for me the entire three months I tried to do it. She was constantly hungry, always crying, very colicky, I mean my daughter was miserable. I would tell me BF counselors whats going on, and they would just say things like "oh its all in ur head, u just have to keep at it" or "maybe u need to change ur diet" Hellooooo?? I'm constantly having by breasts out in the open feeding, when da hell do I have time to eat!? They also told me not to listen to my doctors, cuz my doctor is just going to encourage me to bottle feed b/c breastfeeding is so old school. So when my dr told me that I wasnt producing enuf milk during my 6-week checkup, I didnt listen. But everybody in my house was just miserable.

I started givin her bottles and the crying suddenly stopped. I really wasnt producig enuf milk. Once I realized that was the case, I suddenly became depressed and felt inadequate as a woman because I couldnt give my child what she needed...because people like some of you other mothers on here (especially the BF counselor Laura), make some of us feel just horrible because we cant do what you all can do. It's not for everybody, pple have to make theiur own minds up.

My daughter is almost 2 now, and NOTHING is wrong with her. She never gets sick (Not ONE ear infection!), She is smart as a whip, and no signs of childhood obesity yet! So some of those things do work without having the breastmilk to fall back on.


This is what happened to me!  I'm impressed you tried to continue for 6 weeks.  I made it one week before having to quit.  I just didn't make enough.  I was literally feed around the clock and if I wasn't, my son was screaming.  I was miserable and I think that's why I ended up getting diagnosed with PPD because the first week home from the hospital was just dreadful.  I tried supplementing at first, but just the thought of breastfeeding was getting me down, knowing that there was no point if he wasn't getting anything.  I felt inadequate as a woman too (coupled with the fact that I had to have a c-section as well) but I realized that the best decision for our family was to formula feed.  It made me happy because I wasn't tied down, and it definitely made my son happy because he was getting food.  My doctor was/is very encouraging of this decision and every time I go for an appointment, she gives me tins of formula.  Sometimes I wish it had worked out, I did enjoy it and my son had a perfect latch, but it just wasn't meant to be.

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I breast fed both of my girls, now 6 and 2. I didn't ween either until they were at least a year. My youngest was about 14 mos. All around it was the most positive experience for us all. I was a college student with my first and a teacher with my second and I never ran into a situation where is was hard or inconvenient to feed my children. It worked for me because I truly cherish the bond I have with both my girls and it is FREE! For my girls, it was good thing because we very rarely experienced any illness and still don't. ( Which I link to being breast fed.) But you need to do what feels right for you. Because I know that some women experience difficulty and/or don't like it. I'm not gonna lie it can be a painful experience. But sometimes that bond outweighs the pain!

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Quoting Jessica:



Quoting rebecca:




Quoting Jessica:





Quoting Laura:

I am a breastfeeding counselor with that being said, ofcourse breastfeeding. I understand that bottle feeding is more convenient at times, but those mom's are the moms that do things half way. That is not an excuse enough not to bf. There are other valid excuses! I loved bf my daughter I did until she weaned herself at about 11 months and right when she did that I just started her on whole milk. No formula for my baby only if it was really necessary. I went back to work 7 weeks post partum, and worked 32 hours a week, I was still able to bf. If I can do it, everyone can!









Considering your a bf councellor you sure hold no sympathy for the moms who COULDN'T bf. I bottle feed my son and never do things 'half way'.  Like I'm not upset that my son didn't latch properly, or started losing too much weight so I had to combine feed. Not everyone is in the same situation where everything is alrite or available to help continue breast feeding.  Everyone's situation is different, which ends in different results with this subject. That statement is an ignorant one.










 










In a thread a while ago one mum said that the reason formula feeding mums defend the bottle so much is because they are ashamed they didn't breastfeed. Has anyone ever considered that the mums who bottle feed aren't ashamed but upset that they couldn't? Or how about surrogacy? Those babies are going to get formula fed! What about adoptees? What about financial situations dictating your work hours? I work 32 hours a week aswell and gave over to exclusive formula feeding because of this. I work in a hospital where the hours of work are slighlty out of shift with the rest of the world! Not to mention I'm a single parent and have several health problems. I get tired VERY easily, yet I still work 32 hours a week in a hospital. If I'm not up to scratch then my son isn't. Formula has given me the chance to enjoy every moment with my son by not having to night feed anymore, by being able to whip a batch up and thats his food for the morning and afternoon! I get the sleep I need to be able to get up and play with my son while providing a decent future for him instead of staying at home on benefits!










So yes, that for me is a good enough excuse! And no, I'm not doing anything halfway. I am proud that I am doing everything in my power to provide the best life and future possible for my son.










i couldnt agree more, i have lost count of the times i have received FILTHY looks from breast feeding mothers as soon as i mention bottlefeeding! its as if because we are not breast feeding that we dont deserve to be mums, there is so much breastfeeding support, but what about support for these bottlefeeding mothers, who are at an emotional low because of all the negativity we get, and though i KNOW this was best for my son i have felt at times too ashamed to say i bottle feed beacusof all the reasons i mentioned





Yes, I know what you mean. I took my son to a mom and baby group where everyone breastfeed except me. As soon as I took the bottle out to feed him the conversation stopped and everyone stared at me! Just like in the old Westerns lol. I went once more after that but half of them wouldn't speak to me and the other half kept pushing breastfeeding on me! Don't get me wrong! I am pro-breastfeeding if it is possible and feasible, but in my situation it wasn't, I was mentally, emotionally and physically drained so that I couldn't even hold my son for any length of time and that really upset me! So I started exclusively formula feeding and now I have a happy healthy 9 month old that is almost walking on his own and LOVES to play with mummy cos mummy has the energy to do so!





I have to agree, SOME BF mums are very rude and judgemental before knowing the full facts , the world isnt black and white there are areas that are different shades of grey .



And a BF councellor should know better , shame .



People have different reasons for doing what they do and there are many mothers out their who can only Dream of BF their child but cant , so before anyone goes ranting on about " lazy " mothers how about getting to know every single one of the mothers who " bottle feed's"  stories before jumping to conclusions and falsley accusing people .



Its not a pretty personality trait to be judgemental .

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Quoting rebecca:



Quoting Jessica:




Quoting Laura:

I am a breastfeeding counselor with that being said, ofcourse breastfeeding. I understand that bottle feeding is more convenient at times, but those mom's are the moms that do things half way. That is not an excuse enough not to bf. There are other valid excuses! I loved bf my daughter I did until she weaned herself at about 11 months and right when she did that I just started her on whole milk. No formula for my baby only if it was really necessary. I went back to work 7 weeks post partum, and worked 32 hours a week, I was still able to bf. If I can do it, everyone can!







Considering your a bf councellor you sure hold no sympathy for the moms who COULDN'T bf. I bottle feed my son and never do things 'half way'.  Like I'm not upset that my son didn't latch properly, or started losing too much weight so I had to combine feed. Not everyone is in the same situation where everything is alrite or available to help continue breast feeding.  Everyone's situation is different, which ends in different results with this subject. That statement is an ignorant one.








 








In a thread a while ago one mum said that the reason formula feeding mums defend the bottle so much is because they are ashamed they didn't breastfeed. Has anyone ever considered that the mums who bottle feed aren't ashamed but upset that they couldn't? Or how about surrogacy? Those babies are going to get formula fed! What about adoptees? What about financial situations dictating your work hours? I work 32 hours a week aswell and gave over to exclusive formula feeding because of this. I work in a hospital where the hours of work are slighlty out of shift with the rest of the world! Not to mention I'm a single parent and have several health problems. I get tired VERY easily, yet I still work 32 hours a week in a hospital. If I'm not up to scratch then my son isn't. Formula has given me the chance to enjoy every moment with my son by not having to night feed anymore, by being able to whip a batch up and thats his food for the morning and afternoon! I get the sleep I need to be able to get up and play with my son while providing a decent future for him instead of staying at home on benefits!








So yes, that for me is a good enough excuse! And no, I'm not doing anything halfway. I am proud that I am doing everything in my power to provide the best life and future possible for my son.








i couldnt agree more, i have lost count of the times i have received FILTHY looks from breast feeding mothers as soon as i mention bottlefeeding! its as if because we are not breast feeding that we dont deserve to be mums, there is so much breastfeeding support, but what about support for these bottlefeeding mothers, who are at an emotional low because of all the negativity we get, and though i KNOW this was best for my son i have felt at times too ashamed to say i bottle feed beacusof all the reasons i mentioned


Yes, I know what you mean. I took my son to a mom and baby group where everyone breastfeed except me. As soon as I took the bottle out to feed him the conversation stopped and everyone stared at me! Just like in the old Westerns lol. I went once more after that but half of them wouldn't speak to me and the other half kept pushing breastfeeding on me! Don't get me wrong! I am pro-breastfeeding if it is possible and feasible, but in my situation it wasn't, I was mentally, emotionally and physically drained so that I couldn't even hold my son for any length of time and that really upset me! So I started exclusively formula feeding and now I have a happy healthy 9 month old that is almost walking on his own and LOVES to play with mummy cos mummy has the energy to do so!

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I like breastfeeding better, i do think it is healthiest because thats whats natural, not only that in my opinion it is easier as well as better for bonding (it can be to easy to ask someone else to feed the baby, or prop a bottle) Its cheaper of course and always available on demand. Not only that but i challenge you change a diaper of a breast feed child then change a formula fed baby, tell which smells worse!

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Quoting Laura:

I am a breastfeeding counselor with that being said, ofcourse breastfeeding. I understand that bottle feeding is more convenient at times, but those mom's are the moms that do things half way. That is not an excuse enough not to bf. There are other valid excuses! I loved bf my daughter I did until she weaned herself at about 11 months and right when she did that I just started her on whole milk. No formula for my baby only if it was really necessary. I went back to work 7 weeks post partum, and worked 32 hours a week, I was still able to bf. If I can do it, everyone can!





Considering your a bf councellor you sure hold no sympathy for the moms who COULDN'T bf. I bottle feed my son and never do things 'half way'.  Like I'm not upset that my son didn't latch properly, or started losing too much weight so I had to combine feed. Not everyone is in the same situation where everything is alrite or available to help continue breast feeding.  Everyone's situation is different, which ends in different results with this subject. That statement is an ignorant one.






 






In a thread a while ago one mum said that the reason formula feeding mums defend the bottle so much is because they are ashamed they didn't breastfeed. Has anyone ever considered that the mums who bottle feed aren't ashamed but upset that they couldn't? Or how about surrogacy? Those babies are going to get formula fed! What about adoptees? What about financial situations dictating your work hours? I work 32 hours a week aswell and gave over to exclusive formula feeding because of this. I work in a hospital where the hours of work are slighlty out of shift with the rest of the world! Not to mention I'm a single parent and have several health problems. I get tired VERY easily, yet I still work 32 hours a week in a hospital. If I'm not up to scratch then my son isn't. Formula has given me the chance to enjoy every moment with my son by not having to night feed anymore, by being able to whip a batch up and thats his food for the morning and afternoon! I get the sleep I need to be able to get up and play with my son while providing a decent future for him instead of staying at home on benefits!






So yes, that for me is a good enough excuse! And no, I'm not doing anything halfway. I am proud that I am doing everything in my power to provide the best life and future possible for my son.



 



i couldnt agree more, i have lost count of the times i have received FILTHY looks from breast feeding mothers as soon as i mention bottlefeeding! its as if because we are not breast feeding that we dont deserve to be mums, there is so much breastfeeding support, but what about support for these bottlefeeding mothers, who are at an emotional low because of all the negativity we get, and though i KNOW this was best for my son i have felt at times too ashamed to say i bottle feed beacusof all the reasons i mentioned





 

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Quoting Jessica:



Quoting Laura:

I am a breastfeeding counselor with that being said, ofcourse breastfeeding. I understand that bottle feeding is more convenient at times, but those mom's are the moms that do things half way. That is not an excuse enough not to bf. There are other valid excuses! I loved bf my daughter I did until she weaned herself at about 11 months and right when she did that I just started her on whole milk. No formula for my baby only if it was really necessary. I went back to work 7 weeks post partum, and worked 32 hours a week, I was still able to bf. If I can do it, everyone can!





Considering your a bf councellor you sure hold no sympathy for the moms who COULDN'T bf. I bottle feed my son and never do things 'half way'.  Like I'm not upset that my son didn't latch properly, or started losing too much weight so I had to combine feed. Not everyone is in the same situation where everything is alrite or available to help continue breast feeding.  Everyone's situation is different, which ends in different results with this subject. That statement is an ignorant one.






 






In a thread a while ago one mum said that the reason formula feeding mums defend the bottle so much is because they are ashamed they didn't breastfeed. Has anyone ever considered that the mums who bottle feed aren't ashamed but upset that they couldn't? Or how about surrogacy? Those babies are going to get formula fed! What about adoptees? What about financial situations dictating your work hours? I work 32 hours a week aswell and gave over to exclusive formula feeding because of this. I work in a hospital where the hours of work are slighlty out of shift with the rest of the world! Not to mention I'm a single parent and have several health problems. I get tired VERY easily, yet I still work 32 hours a week in a hospital. If I'm not up to scratch then my son isn't. Formula has given me the chance to enjoy every moment with my son by not having to night feed anymore, by being able to whip a batch up and thats his food for the morning and afternoon! I get the sleep I need to be able to get up and play with my son while providing a decent future for him instead of staying at home on benefits!






So yes, that for me is a good enough excuse! And no, I'm not doing anything halfway. I am proud that I am doing everything in my power to provide the best life and future possible for my son.



 



i couldnt agree more, i have lost count of the times i have received FILTHY looks from breast feeding mothers as soon as i mention bottlefeeding! its as if because we are not breast feeding that we dont deserve to be mums, there is so much breastfeeding support, but what about support for these bottlefeeding mothers, who are at an emotional low because of all the negativity we get, and though i KNOW this was best for my son i have felt at times too ashamed to say i bottle feed beacusof all the reasons i mentioned





 

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You know...I am absolutely APALLED by the responses that I've read from some of the mothers on here. This is what pissed me off and made me extremely depressed when I realized that I COULDN'T breastfeed my daughter bc I couldnt produce the milk. I've heard in breastfeeding classes, and magazine articles, and books that BF is THE ONLY option to consider, and formula feeding is just the "easy way out".



I tried to BF my daughter and it was a horrible experience for me the entire three months I tried to do it. She was constantly hungry, always crying, very colicky, I mean my daughter was miserable. I would tell me BF counselors whats going on, and they would just say things like "oh its all in ur head, u just have to keep at it" or "maybe u need to change ur diet" Hellooooo?? I'm constantly having by breasts out in the open feeding, when da hell do I have time to eat!? They also told me not to listen to my doctors, cuz my doctor is just going to encourage me to bottle feed b/c breastfeeding is so old school. So when my dr told me that I wasnt producing enuf milk during my 6-week checkup, I didnt listen. But everybody in my house was just miserable.



I started givin her bottles and the crying suddenly stopped. I really wasnt producig enuf milk. Once I realized that was the case, I suddenly became depressed and felt inadequate as a woman because I couldnt give my child what she needed...because people like some of you other mothers on here (especially the BF counselor Laura), make some of us feel just horrible because we cant do what you all can do. It's not for everybody, pple have to make theiur own minds up.



My daughter is almost 2 now, and NOTHING is wrong with her. She never gets sick (Not ONE ear infection!), She is smart as a whip, and no signs of childhood obesity yet! So some of those things do work without having the breastmilk to fall back on.

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Quoting Jean:




Quoting Laura:

I am a breastfeeding counselor with that being said, ofcourse breastfeeding. I understand that bottle feeding is more convenient at times, but those mom's are the moms that do things half way. That is not an excuse enough not to bf. There are other valid excuses! I loved bf my daughter I did until she weaned herself at about 11 months and right when she did that I just started her on whole milk. No formula for my baby only if it was really necessary. I went back to work 7 weeks post partum, and worked 32 hours a week, I was still able to bf. If I can do it, everyone can!








This has to be one of the most innappropriate things I have read on the COM!








You really need to be care full in what you say and how you word it.








I learnt the day I gave birth that I'd never be able to breastfeed due to severly inverted nipples.








The head of lactation at the hospital gave me grief when I told her I was giving my son expressed breastmilk. She told me that it would be exhausting getting bottles ready in the middle of the night cleaning them and also pumping, it wasn't that bloody hard!!!.  Even the nurses were hard on me. I didn't get to see my son for over 24 hours after giving birth as he was down in the NICCU, I was recovering from a emergency c-section, and in the meantime the nurses in the NICCU were giving my son formula!








I ended up putting my son on formula at the age of 3 months as my milk started to decline. He has been fine on it. He suffered from colic before he went on to formula.








There is nothing wrong with formula! the other thing that really annoys me (and I know I shouldn't take it to heart) but there's alot of Mother's who claim that you bond better with your child if you breastfeed rather then bottlefeed! you bond the same!!!!








Oh and on the last note, If "God" made our breasts for the purpose of breastfeeding then why did "he" make it hard for those like me, by "creating" us with inverted nipples?










I just want to say that just because something bad happen dont blame GOD i feel that it is totally inappropriate to blame him for your trouble with breastfeeding...everyone has problems in life it just so happens that you have inverted nipples...there are so many different options out there now for women with inverted nipples I dont know your situation..... people have problems so that when things like this do occur that he will get the glory out of it by showing those of us who dont believe that good things can still come from hard times....but its a shame that you said that I will be praying for you and I pray that GOD will give you peace in your situations!!! And as far as the people who are making posts that may seem ridiculous to us but in their mind it makes sense and who are we to judge..because at the end of the day I am pretty sure that everyone else has had their moments as well this is a matter of opinion and everyones opinion is right in their own eyes...what do you think people did back in the day when their was no formula or pumps or anything like that ...humans made most of the problems that we have today...lets be open minded about others opinions but still look at the facts hope i dont offend any one just stating what I believe





I respect your religious and will watch what I say here as I don't want to offened but, the reason why I mentioned GOD was because on previous posts some Mothers say that this is the reason why GOD gave us breasts so that we can breastfeed.



I was ordered by my midwife to express some milk (enough so that my nipples would come out) and then pop my son on the nipple. By the time this happened, I had no milk left.

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Quoting Laura:

I am a breastfeeding counselor with that being said, ofcourse breastfeeding. I understand that bottle feeding is more convenient at times, but those mom's are the moms that do things half way. That is not an excuse enough not to bf. There are other valid excuses! I loved bf my daughter I did until she weaned herself at about 11 months and right when she did that I just started her on whole milk. No formula for my baby only if it was really necessary. I went back to work 7 weeks post partum, and worked 32 hours a week, I was still able to bf. If I can do it, everyone can!






This has to be one of the most innappropriate things I have read on the COM!






You really need to be care full in what you say and how you word it.






I learnt the day I gave birth that I'd never be able to breastfeed due to severly inverted nipples.






The head of lactation at the hospital gave me grief when I told her I was giving my son expressed breastmilk. She told me that it would be exhausting getting bottles ready in the middle of the night cleaning them and also pumping, it wasn't that bloody hard!!!.  Even the nurses were hard on me. I didn't get to see my son for over 24 hours after giving birth as he was down in the NICCU, I was recovering from a emergency c-section, and in the meantime the nurses in the NICCU were giving my son formula!






I ended up putting my son on formula at the age of 3 months as my milk started to decline. He has been fine on it. He suffered from colic before he went on to formula.






There is nothing wrong with formula! the other thing that really annoys me (and I know I shouldn't take it to heart) but there's alot of Mother's who claim that you bond better with your child if you breastfeed rather then bottlefeed! you bond the same!!!!






Oh and on the last note, If "God" made our breasts for the purpose of breastfeeding then why did "he" make it hard for those like me, by "creating" us with inverted nipples?






I just want to say that just because something bad happen dont blame GOD i feel that it is totally inappropriate to blame him for your trouble with breastfeeding...everyone has problems in life it just so happens that you have inverted nipples...there are so many different options out there now for women with inverted nipples I dont know your situation..... people have problems so that when things like this do occur that he will get the glory out of it by showing those of us who dont believe that good things can still come from hard times....but its a shame that you said that I will be praying for you and I pray that GOD will give you peace in your situations!!! And as far as the people who are making posts that may seem ridiculous to us but in their mind it makes sense and who are we to judge..because at the end of the day I am pretty sure that everyone else has had their moments as well this is a matter of opinion and everyones opinion is right in their own eyes...what do you think people did back in the day when their was no formula or pumps or anything like that ...humans made most of the problems that we have today...lets be open minded about others opinions but still look at the facts hope i dont offend any one just stating what I believe

Amy - posted on 08/15/2009

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i think you could go either way... i wanted to breastfeed my daughter and unfortunately couldnt... she was born early and had some allergies and they were afraid that something i ate could get to her and she could react.. and she also had severe acid reflux and would throw up everything she ate... and it turned out that formula was just a better fit.. and she never got constipated.. EVER! and breastfed babies can get constipated i know plently who have that problem... and it is just very convient... they make it very easy these days to bottle feed on the go... and as far as im concerned breastfeeding isnt "free" you have to change your whole diet and take in lots of calories so really your spending the money either way.. you just have to really think about it and do whats best for you... whatever you and your baby are comfortable... they will let you know what they want! hope you figure everything out..! good luck!

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Quoting Alethia:



Quoting Jaqueline:




Quoting Angela:





Quoting Melissa:

formula feeding. much less risk of FTT, baby sleeps longer, others can help with feeds while you sleep therefore less risk of PND, baby is happier with a fuller tummy, baby meets milestones quicker generally, baby does not have to try and wean from the breast and learn how to transition from breast to bottle, mum can have a night out and drink if she wants without worrying about breast feeding, expressing and sore breasts.









I believe that many of the claims in this post are incorrect, if not absolute opposites of what actually occurs. No offence meant to the poster but perhaps you should do some research before making such claims. I don't know what you mean by FTT? this one I can't explain away. Post Natal Depression is not caused by lack of sleep (though it doesn't help to be sleep deprived when suffering PND) it is caused by hormonal imbalances in your brain following the pregnancy/birth/parenthood transition. Breastfeeding can help PND sufferers because of the production of 'happy hormones' (such as endorphins) whilst breastfeeding which can counteract some of the hormonal imbalance causing PND. Baby certainly does not meet milestones quicker or necessarily have a fuller tummy on formula. As for weaning/transition to bottles, a baby who is breast fed until THEY are ready to stop will self wean with no effort from mum and will never need a bottle unless YOU make the choice to change them off breastfeeding onto formula before the age of 12 months. As for having a night out drinking, who has the time? Besides it is much more convenient to pump the occasional breastmilk bottle and avoid feeding after drinking than it is to prepare countless bottles of formula day in day out. Incidentally, the pump/dump technique when drinking has nothing to do with alcohol in breast milk. Pumping and dumping will not remove alcohol from breast milk, breast milk will have approximately the same alcohol content as your bloodstream at all times. Pumping and dumping merely helps maintain your milk supply by stimulating your breasts as though you were feeding whilst not exposing your baby to the alcohol in your bloodstream.












Babies bellies are not fuller from formula. They sleep longer because they do get hungry less often but that is b/c breastmilk is easier to digest. Breastfed babies get just as full, it just doesn't last as long. FTT, I don't think so. Do a little more research on that. Hey if breastfeeding isn't for you, thats fine, but every single study has shown that breast is best. Breast fed babies are tipickly thinner than formula fed, they also keep that withthem onto later years, lowert obeisity rates. Its not FTT, it's properly nurished.









FTT is she serious!!!!  Thats only if the mother is blind enough not to notice her baby isnt gaining enough! We started supplementing because my baby girl gained only 4 oz in 2 weeks.  So after we started the 3 bottles a day her weight went straight up. She just needed a boost and as a good and proper parent I did what was needed while still breastfeeding.  The night out drinking, that can wait. I waited until she was feeding a bit less and just gave her a bottle for my time but im a little over the whole drunk stuff, I think im getting old. I love it when people assume they know when they dont, homework people, its not just for school. Great post!





All I have to say is this is a joke right?! my son is still nursing at 8 1/2 mo and when he was born he lost about a pound then went back to his original weight + within one week FTT i dont think so...my son is a very happy baby even when he is hungry...and at almost 9 months he is almost walking, while my friends son just started crawling at a year and he is formula fed..breast milk has DHA which helps support brain function and growth which other foods and formula try to mimic..and as far as milestones go...it has alot to do with how the child is being stimulated not so much of what kind of milk he drinks..if you dont put a baby on their tummy much how can he learn to crawl..cmon ppl get it together..health and personal preference decides on formula or breast..but statistics say breast is best

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I definitely prefer breastfeeding! I agree with some of the other moms about how it is

FREE! And you can do it anywhere and don't have to worry about bringing along bottles or remembering formula! I can also get more sleep because I just put my son in bed with me when he wakes up and feed him laying down!

However, bf is definitely the harder decision because it takes a huge toll on you and your body! It is more painful at first and you always have to be consious of what you are drinking and eating, and if your baby can't tolerate certain kinds of food, you have to not eat those foods. But the bonding part is so worth all the hardships of it!

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I did both. At 3 months I did go to formula only, but that was due to my working conditions. I was able to bring my daughter to work with me, BUT I worked for my FIL at his automotive shop. AKA the grosses man hole you can think of. I worked in the lobby as a secretary. To get to the bathrooms, you'd have to walk accross the smoking men under cars. I wasn't going to BF in front of them, or subject my kid to the smoke on the way to the one stall nasty bathroom. lol. BF was awesome because it was free and really easy especially in the middle of the night. But formula was nice too. Daddy could feed her, I could have some freedom and I don't feel comfortable exposing a boob in public. I hope with this one I can BF for longer, as I do not plan on going back to work after my son is born.

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