Please Sign This Petition regarding car seats in Australia

Natasha - posted on 07/30/2009 ( 67 moms have responded )

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I want to write a letter to the makers of baby car seats in Australia, to make it mandatory to have the chest clip that US car seats have.

This clip keeps the straps of the seat up on the child/babies shoulders, and in the event of a crash make the childs/babies torso more secure.

This is ridiculous, its a small piece of plastic and the same company that makes Safe and Sound car seats makes the US car seats

Please sign this petition so we can help our child and future generations become safer on the road.



http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/carse...

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Vicky - posted on 08/03/2009

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I dont see how the chest clips offer any extra safety they are just a bit of insignificant plastic. I'm from the good old UK and we dont have them as standard on our seats. I think the most important thing is to know how to fit your baby's seat safely in the car, Im a big believer in reading the manual before use. If any child can wiggle their arms out of the shoulder straps on a 5 point harness then its either a-not tight enough or b-the straps need adjusting to the correct height for the child. Neither of my children have EVER been able to get themselves out of their seats (and neither of them have had chest clips)

Sorry but I had to add my thoughts on this

PS We have always been told over here to leave babies rearward facing for as long as possible as its the safest place for them to be, even if their legs push against the seat-in the event of a frontal impact baby may break its leg however if forward facing before it has full control of head neck and back then it could potentially break its neck. I know which i'd prefer to happen

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Amy - posted on 09/01/2009

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Quoting Melissa:



Quoting jackie:

i would just get on usaebay and order a carseat. if you are that worried about it. if they are sold in the US then they meet our standards.






Hey, just refer to a earlier post of mine where i qouted from  the transport safety bereau that states that seats sold in other countries like the UK ans USA  DONT meet our requirements and therefore illegal. So i would advice against the purchase of one from there. (cars in Aust need a anchor strap which is its one differance here to other countries.)





I would have to agree, don't go breaking any laws here.



 FYI The anchor straps ARE required in the US

Chassity - posted on 08/31/2009

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I will sign it. I had no clue they didn't make them like that everywhere. That is so crazy!

Melissa - posted on 08/28/2009

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Quoting Katherine :

Did you know that in the US some car seats for babies can be rear facing until they turn three & when faced in an accident more babies & toddlers have been saved due to them being faced to the back... in Australia it goes by weight not age ... why do we do this as in many countries it goes by age... in some countries children until they are 9
must be in some form of a car seat that is lock into the hook in the car not a booster that can fly out under the child in accident... which has happened in Australia just last year where a child (5yrs) choked on his seatbelt cause his booster slipped under him when faced in side on accident, if the child was in a better approved car/booster seat then please for the love of God change the designs... re check the weight/age standards look again at them as some of these are over 10 years old make new guidelines that could save lives... If anyone has a three year old, how many of them can get out of their carseats cause I know mine can!!!!



Booster seats have actually very recently changed, they now have a full back seat rather than just under the bum

Pam - posted on 08/28/2009

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www.organicbabe.com.au - organic baby clothes online store world wide absolutely agrees with you and we will sign the petition,. Your friends Pam and Ros

Amii - posted on 08/28/2009

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Quoting Amii:

having lived in oz my whole life I didn't bother to think that there might be safer alternatives, isn't it stupid how we blindly trust our government to keep us safe. I think this would be really great to keep my son in particular in his seat, he has this awfull ability to take his arms out of the straps no matter how tight i make them.


I might add that I have and do try to educate my children on the importance of staying in their seat belts and they know the rules about being in the car, but a 2 year old just dosent have the capacity to do the right thing all of the time. So the clip would mean that I can take that into my controll, he would not be able to get out.



Interesting to note the laws concerning child restraints where I am  in VIC have only just been updated to better prevent the loss of injury or life, I feel it has taken them to long to catch up.There was recently an article in Melbourne Child about the changes which made me relise that my 6 yo neice who lives with me should be in booster seat as the law has changed to age rather than weight.



Thanks for raising an important issue, and for reminding me not to leave my life in Rudds or any of the other buggers hands!!!

Amii - posted on 08/28/2009

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having lived in oz my whole life I didn't bother to think that there might be safer alternatives, isn't it stupid how we blindly trust our government to keep us safe. I think this would be really great to keep my son in particular in his seat, he has this awfull ability to take his arms out of the straps no matter how tight i make them.

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Did you know that in the US some car seats for babies can be rear facing until they turn three & when faced in an accident more babies & toddlers have been saved due to them being faced to the back... in Australia it goes by weight not age ... why do we do this as in many countries it goes by age... in some countries children until they are 9

must be in some form of a car seat that is lock into the hook in the car not a booster that can fly out under the child in accident... which has happened in Australia just last year where a child (5yrs) choked on his seatbelt cause his booster slipped under him when faced in side on accident, if the child was in a better approved car/booster seat then please for the love of God change the designs... re check the weight/age standards look again at them as some of these are over 10 years old make new guidelines that could save lives... If anyone has a three year old, how many of them can get out of their carseats cause I know mine can!!!!

Lacey - posted on 08/27/2009

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There has to be a chest strap in the car seat for it to work properly, i hope you can get this changed!

Angela - posted on 08/27/2009

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I live in the U.S and I can't imagine putting my son in a seat without a chest strap...yikes.. good luck in passing this change, I think it's needed. Angela

Tamsin - posted on 08/27/2009

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Quoting Elaine:

im a little confused as to what your talking about I have a car seat from mother care in ireland it seem pretty safe to me my child is 7 months is at the right weight to forward face. Its as safe as its going to get. At the end of the day I dont go out thinking that something bad will happen. A care seat is as safe as it will come otherwise the company woundnt sell it.


It is not recommended that forward facing car seats be used with children under one year of age. Babies have big heads and weak necks. In a crash, a baby's spinal column can be stretched leading to spinal cord damage if he is facing forwards. He could be paralyzed permanently or he could even die. This is true even for babies who have strong neck muscles and good head control. Your child may be the right weight to sit forward facing but he or she is definitely not old enough.

Jane - posted on 08/23/2009

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Quoting Stefanie:

I'm in the US, so obviously all the carseats here have chestclips, but its my understanding that Sweden produces the best carseats (by best I mean safest - they have the lowest mortality rate for children in MVA). Swedish seats don't have a chest clip. I always thought that the clip was only to help keep the belts over the shoulders in place and offered no additional safety features. I can see why you would want them if your child is taking the straps off her shoulders, though I can't imagine that happening. When I have my son's straps on tightly even I can't take them off without loosening them again. Maybe there is something else different between the seats that allows the child to wiggle out?


my kids are 4 and 5 years old with-out that small plastic clip, they would be out of their car seat in a flash! 

Jane - posted on 08/23/2009

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Quoting kate:

the clips cost 2 bucks!!! come on


my sister put extra clips on her kids car seats because they could get the one off that came with the car seat.Got the extra clip at wal-mart like for 5$. My kids know never to mess with their car seats!

Elaine - posted on 08/19/2009

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im a little confused as to what your talking about I have a car seat from mother care in ireland it seem pretty safe to me my child is 7 months is at the right weight to forward face. Its as safe as its going to get. At the end of the day I dont go out thinking that something bad will happen. A care seat is as safe as it will come otherwise the company woundnt sell it.

Melissa - posted on 08/19/2009

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Quoting jackie:

i would just get on usaebay and order a carseat. if you are that worried about it. if they are sold in the US then they meet our standards.



Hey, just refer to a earlier post of mine where i qouted from  the transport safety bereau that states that seats sold in other countries like the UK ans USA  DONT meet our requirements and therefore illegal. So i would advice against the purchase of one from there. (cars in Aust need a anchor strap which is its one differance here to other countries.)

Jackie - posted on 08/18/2009

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i would just get on usaebay and order a carseat. if you are that worried about it. if they are sold in the US then they meet our standards.

Maryann - posted on 08/18/2009

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I would have like to have signed this petition, but I am not paying to sign it. No matter how little it is. It should give you the option to opt out and donate if you have the $$$.

Mel - posted on 08/17/2009

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I think if it can help keep children safer in the car, then fantastic. I deliver for a pharmacy, and take my 4yr old with me. I have reported 3 different cars to police that have had children (as young as 2) roaming from the front seat to the back whilst driving. It is disturbing also seeing precious little children placed on the back seat of a car using the adult seatbelts rather than a carseat. I cannot comprehend how people can place such little value on the childrens lives.

Morgan - posted on 08/16/2009

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I think that they should have the clips......if it makes our children safer then it shouldnt be a big deal for the car companies to install

Melissa - posted on 08/13/2009

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Quoting Melissa:

every car seat sold in Aus HAS to comply with safety standard BEFORE it is allowed to be sold- Heres something i copy /pasted from Australian transport safety bureau:

All child restraints used in Australia must comply with current Australian standards - one of the main features of which is the use of a rear strap to an anchor point. Australian child restraint standards are some of the most stringent in the world and most overseas child restraints do not comply with these standards and cannot legally be used in Australia - this includes restraints from countries such as the UK and USA. It is advisable to hire a child restraint in Australia from a reputable hire service (see section above) rather than bringing your own from overseas.



Australia is NOT behind the rest of the world (why does everyone think we are??) in fact we are at the fore front. We have standards in place that other countries do not.





I should also say New Zealand aswell as they have the same safety standards as Aus

Melissa - posted on 08/13/2009

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every car seat sold in Aus HAS to comply with safety standard BEFORE it is allowed to be sold- Heres something i copy /pasted from Australian transport safety bureau:



All child restraints used in Australia must comply with current Australian standards - one of the main features of which is the use of a rear strap to an anchor point. Australian child restraint standards are some of the most stringent in the world and most overseas child restraints do not comply with these standards and cannot legally be used in Australia - this includes restraints from countries such as the UK and USA. It is advisable to hire a child restraint in Australia from a reputable hire service (see section above) rather than bringing your own from overseas.

Vicky - posted on 08/13/2009

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Quoting Tessa:





Im a huge believer in reading a manual too, even when it comes to simple things like putting a bookshelf together.






My daughters straps are as tight as I can get them that she cries when I put them on sometimes. She doesn't like to be restricted, so hates to be belted down into her car seat where the belt is tight and stps her from being able to move. The straps are within the inch of her shoulder that the manual reccomends, it can go no higher or lower and certainly no tighter. I can hardly get the clips to go into the buckle because I have them so tight in fear of her getting out. Yet... she still finds a way to wriggle her shoulders out and then her arms.






What would you suggest I do in this case? It isn't loose and it isn't incorrect height as you claim to be the problem.



 



You have me stumped. I guess my only other sugeestion is to try a new seat. I have the Maxi Cosi Tobi and its excellent although slightly more expensive at £170. I hope you find a solution (or suitable new seat) soon. 7





 

Saffron - posted on 08/11/2009

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Yeah after reading my post, i would like to retract the sewing of the straps.
Like someone said - i am sure they current restraints have been tested adequately enough to ensure the safetly of the child.

Lena - posted on 08/11/2009

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Don't sew the shoulder straps together. Alteration of the belts could weaken them, the stitches could cause the straps to tear. May not but that is definitely not worth the risk.

Saffron - posted on 08/11/2009

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Thats a good idea - but you can always sew the strap across from both shoulder straps - i am sure it would help somewhat.

But like another member said - i am sure it is made with the child's safety in mind, i think maybe we should also take into account the seat being correctly fitted to the car, the car having the proper anchor bar installed. Also the competance of the driver of the vehicle.

Naomi - posted on 08/11/2009

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thats what i have been looking for EVERYWHERE they dont make them in the UK and my daughter always gets her arms out unless i have them so tight they leave marks!! i might write a letter too.

Kelly - posted on 08/11/2009

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everyone should have the same its keeping the children safe at the end of the day

Tessa - posted on 08/10/2009

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Oh yes, I must back Victoria Vincent up on a point.....
After an accident, please do dispose of the car seat right away. They can be surrendered to centres that specifically take in old car seats from accidents or out of standards date and recycle them down.
As much of a financial burden it was at the time, I did not go anywhere with my daughter until after my husband brought back a new car seat along with the new car.
A few hundred dollars is nothing compared to your child's life.

Tessa - posted on 08/10/2009

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Quoting Vicky:
Im a big believer in reading the manual before use. If any child can wiggle their arms out of the shoulder straps on a 5 point harness then its either a-not tight enough or b-the straps need adjusting to the correct height for the child. Neither of my children have EVER been able to get themselves out of their seats (and neither of them have had chest clips)
Sorry but I had to add my thoughts on this


Im a huge believer in reading a manual too, even when it comes to simple things like putting a bookshelf together.



My daughters straps are as tight as I can get them that she cries when I put them on sometimes. She doesn't like to be restricted, so hates to be belted down into her car seat where the belt is tight and stps her from being able to move. The straps are within the inch of her shoulder that the manual reccomends, it can go no higher or lower and certainly no tighter. I can hardly get the clips to go into the buckle because I have them so tight in fear of her getting out. Yet... she still finds a way to wriggle her shoulders out and then her arms.



What would you suggest I do in this case? It isn't loose and it isn't incorrect height as you claim to be the problem.

Tessa - posted on 08/10/2009

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Quoting Vicky:
Im a big believer in reading the manual before use. If any child can wiggle their arms out of the shoulder straps on a 5 point harness then its either a-not tight enough or b-the straps need adjusting to the correct height for the child. Neither of my children have EVER been able to get themselves out of their seats (and neither of them have had chest clips)
Sorry but I had to add my thoughts on this


Im a huge believer in reading a manual too, even when it comes to simple things like putting a bookshelf together.



My daughters straps are as tight as I can get them that she cries when I put them on sometimes. She doesn't like to be restricted, so hates to be belted down into her car seat where the belt is tight and stps her from being able to move. The straps are within the inch of her shoulder that the manual reccomends, it can go no higher or lower and certainly no tighter. I can hardly get the clips to go into the buckle because I have them so tight in fear of her getting out. Yet... she still finds a way to wriggle her shoulders out and then her arms.



What would you suggest I do in this case? It isn't loose and it isn't incorrect height as you claim to be the problem.

Abigail - posted on 08/10/2009

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it was actually proven that australia have the highest safety standards in the world. The chin straps were deemed dangerous as it is a choking hazard for young children. You can look it up but we have the best

Victoria - posted on 08/09/2009

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i have no issue with our car seats here. my daughter would have no chance in getting here arms out as the seat beat is tight enough but not to tight. my friends daughter gets her arms out all the time and i know that is because of the tightest. and it scared the living day light out of me thinking that children out there arent fitted correctly into their seats. i believe that parents should get the car seat correctly fitted by the expects n ask them questions on how tight the seat beat should be. i was told you should only be able to get one to two fingers in the straps. and if you look at race car drivers and see how tight there seat beats are you will see that the tighter the better. there needs to be more knowledge out there for us parents so we know what is the best to keep our children safe. and for that reason i am not goin to sign it as i am happy with ours. Please do remember if you are in a accident with or without the child in the car seat, that car seat can no longer be used due to the impact it causes on the car seat.

i dont think them straps will do anything but hold the straps closer together but i am not a expect so its just my point of veiw

Its a great subject as everyone does have their own points of views on it. If we all take extra steps to keep our children safe then you are all doin the right thing.

look after yourself and you children

Abigail - posted on 08/09/2009

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there is nothing wrong with our standards..all our seats go by the tick of approval...no need to wrap our kids in buble wrap....my sis was a bub when we had an accident and she wasnt hurt at all

Andrea - posted on 08/03/2009

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I think the chest clip is vital. It's sad how many parents have this clip on their child's car seat and fail to use it correctly. I see so many babies in car seats with loose straps and the chest clip way down by their stomach. That is in no way protecting them. It's good to know that there are parents out there who are concerned about car seat safety and are actually doing something about it.

Ashley - posted on 08/02/2009

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wow, I thought everywhere had the same kind of carseats... they should have the chest clips, it just seems a lot safer that way.

Stefanie - posted on 08/02/2009

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I'm in the US, so obviously all the carseats here have chestclips, but its my understanding that Sweden produces the best carseats (by best I mean safest - they have the lowest mortality rate for children in MVA). Swedish seats don't have a chest clip. I always thought that the clip was only to help keep the belts over the shoulders in place and offered no additional safety features. I can see why you would want them if your child is taking the straps off her shoulders, though I can't imagine that happening. When I have my son's straps on tightly even I can't take them off without loosening them again. Maybe there is something else different between the seats that allows the child to wiggle out?

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sorry vicki. sometimes it is hard to tell on here. there are all kinds of people saying all kinds of unbelievable things. I am sure you have come across that yourself.

Kylie - posted on 08/02/2009

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if you have a baby seat in your car you should be able to attach the y-harness..it uses the same bolt behind the back seat. I've only fitted them to smaller cars like a corolla and a PT cruiser so I'm not 100% sure...

Tessa - posted on 08/02/2009

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Um not quite. It was a wet day and I lost control on the gravel. I over corrected and panicked when I saw we were heading for trees. I hit the brakes and we rolled, if we didnt roll we would have flipped and landed upside down on an exposed mallet root, would have been dead for sure. The council graded the road 2 days later as it was overdue. I feel very bad that I stuffed up so bad, especially being on my learners. That was my little girl and husband I put in danger, I still hyperventilate when my hubby drives down that road. It's the road we live on. This is why I'm too scared to go through with my learners and get my liscence.

Do you know if the harness will go in our cars?

Kylie - posted on 08/02/2009

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Its called a y-strap or y-harness Tessa..they are 50-60 dollars from big-w or target or you can get one from the red cross in Belmont and the staff there install it correctly for you.
I'm glad your little girl wasn't hurt..what a frightening thing to have happened..were you trying to swerve for a roo or something?

Tessa - posted on 08/02/2009

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I think we need those too, Hannah is frequently pulling the straps off her shoulders and arms no matter how tight I make the straps.
I'm also worried about the little arm that is under the reversible seats. It is extended when rear facing and tucked under when forward facing. We had a car accident on gravel road last year and ended upside down. The little arm under the seat pushed Hannah's car seat up so that she ended up half way in the air upside down with her head just barely missing the roof of the car. If I hadn't of gotten her out quicker she would have hurt her head when the weight of the car made the roof start caving in.
I'll sign the petition for safer car seats.
Can you also tell me about the safety harnesses that can be added to toddler seats. I have been told they can't be used in a sedan or station wagon, which is all we have. Hannah is too big for her baby seat but toddler seats here dont come with a safety harness. I am concerned about how safe it is to only have a seat belt on her.

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vicki there is actually a youtube video that a grandfather made describing a tragedy that happened to his 2 year old grandson while forward facing during a collusion. The child broke his spine and nearly died. It can and has happened. he made the video to try and make people think twice before turning their children forward to soon. My 16 pound 13 month old is rear facing and will remain until 30 pounds. we have a britax advocate and it reclines when rear facing specifically to allow for more leg room.

Vicki - posted on 08/01/2009

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LOL Melissa you bring out the troll in me. Please don't take offence.

I was certain you had stated that you are a nervous driver, and thus don't like to drive. Yet you have "better" drivers all around you. So calm your nerves. Your daughter is strapped in safely. No child has ever broken their spine due to impact during a crash. Forward facing a six month old infant is not an issue. :)

Mel - posted on 08/01/2009

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hmm well last time im going to post my partner just thinks i geuss we are better drivers we must'nt need this otehrwise we would have it. all im going to say on the matter. too much time on your hands ladies dont you worry about what other countries are doing just worry about your own

Amy - posted on 08/01/2009

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Okay, I'm not quite sure why this thread got turned into a pissing contest about which country is better regarding standards and health care. It is ridiculous and definitely not the OP's original intention! Nobody is dissing your standards, IMO you can always find a way to improve safety, it's called being diligent. If there is a way to improve something, do it! Especially if you notice it's a requirement somewhere else ,it's usually not going to matter how well traffic and vehicle safety laws are written, someone will always (willingly or not) break a law that puts a whole cycle of compromises in your safety, why not add that one more safety feature? It could be the one thing that separates a serious injury from a less traumatic one.

PS I'm from the US and love my health care, thank you!

Kylie - posted on 08/01/2009

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I'm Australian and i want car seats that are as safe if not safer than the rest of the world dammit@!!>

Carrie - posted on 08/01/2009

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i'm confused as to what this clip is. i thought all car seats had clips apart from booster seats

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