what is with some people ...??

Samantha Neil - posted on 12/28/2009 ( 137 moms have responded )

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y do everyone i read say put things in a baby bottle ??? thats soo not right !!! do u talk to ur dr ? im sure if u talk to ur health nurse or a nurse at the hostipal they will tell u not to do this im sooo not sure y everyone thinks this is ok can someone explane to me y everyone is doing this ?? and what they think or why they think its the best thing ?

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Rachel - posted on 12/28/2009

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If im guessing correctly, you are talking about cereal? People have been putting cereal in there childrens bottles for a very long time. Sometimes i put baby food in my son bottle to add a little flavor and allow him to get use to the taste, and i also sometimes add the rice cereal to his bottle. But not so much that i have to alter the nipple. The only reason they say not to put stuff in the bottles is because some people put way to much in the bottle and it causes their child to choke. Not all Doctors and health care providers say its wrong.

The number one reason people do add the rice is because people think it will keep there child fuller longer which will allow them to sleep longer.

Rachel - posted on 12/29/2009

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Quoting Tamika:

Im sorry but has anyone noticed that america is the fattest country in the world and we are as far as I know the only country that puts cereal in our babies bottles, maybe there is a connection, dont you think.



Someone asked where your proof was that giving your child rice in their cereal causes obesity. Well for everyone who didnt blieve what Tamika said here is your proof. I too add rice in my sons milk at night for his reflux as i said before. Sometimes before you speak and quote other people you should do your homework. America does have the fattest people and children. And adding rice to your childs milk at every feeding does cause obesity.... So i stand by what Tamika said. 



5 Reasons NOT to Put Cereal in Your Baby's Bottle



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21 Dec 2007 02:50 AM



Many mothers swear that starting their infants on cereal early by putting it in their bottles helps their infants sleep longer through the night and to be more content. However, putting cereal in an infant's bottle is dangerous, unwise, and to put it frankly a bad parenting practice.



I should note, that there is one exception. Cereal in a bottle is a good and . However, if your infant has reflux, then your pediatrician will be monitoring your baby's intake. Otherwise, cereal in the bottle is a practice that you should stay away from.



#1. You can cause your child's . . .



While no one agrees completely on what it is that actually causes , we do have enough research to see certain connections. One, very well documented connection to serious allergies is when a baby has been exposed to the allergen too early. Putting cereal in your baby's bottle, even rice cereal, can cause allergies.



#2. Choking hazard



Some infants do not fully have their swallowing reflex fully developed at birth. Sucking cereal from a bottle can cause a hazard. . .and babies have actually died this way. Choking on cereal from a bottle certainly isn't a common cause of death. . .but why do it when it is linked to something like choking?



#3. Digestive Issues



There is a connection between babies who have solids too early and digestive problems. The fact of the matter is that baby tummies are designed to take in . When you can't breastfeed, there's formula which mimics breastmilk. Baby tummies are not designed to take in solids, and it's not surprising that they malfunction when forced to do what they're not designed to do.



#4. Obesity



One key factor in . But when you add cereal to a bottle, it bypasses their system and essentially they take in more calories than they need.



#5. It Doesn't Work!!!



There is no scientific evidence to support the notion that baby's . Dealing with sleep deprivation is part of the parenting package.



 

Anna - posted on 12/29/2009

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I think it's only in America that is gets recommended. I have never heard of it in New Zealand. From what I've read, there have been a few scientific studies done to see if it helps babies sleep longer and they all came up with the same thing - it makes no difference. All the research says that if you give a baby any solid foods before 6 months, you give them a higher chance of health problems.

Kimberly - posted on 12/28/2009

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Quoting Jessica:



Quoting Tamika:




Quoting Jessica:

Yes back in the day this was a common practise and most of our mother would have put cereal in our bottles and most of us have turned out okay and definatly not obease!

Come on people i dont see how a teaspoon of rice cereal in a 180-240ml bottle is going to make your child obease, its basically empty calories!!!! yes it may stretch the stomach 'slightly' but hardly obease thats just silly! I would love to see how some sientist would try and prove this!

Alot of mothers do put the cereal in the bottle at night to help their baby sleep longer, and if it works for you then great!! enjoy the sleep while you can! I tried it, it didnt work for me so i just had to suck it up and get little to no sleep until my son was 3 1/2 months and slept 12 hours straight.

I think we all need to ask our selves if a doc or a ped IS recommending this for a baby, there is a code of practise and a duty of care, so i hardly think they would recommend it if their was any chance it may hinder your babies development or make them obease!

I'm sorry if im sounding harsh, this is not my intention at all, I'm just so over when people are asking for advice on something that is not recommened by a doc, a nurse, a ped, or a midwife everyone is so quick to say "no no no dont do that thats not recommended" all the advice we get from asking a question we may not take, as we look at it and see which would be best for our baby. Not every baby is the same, what might work for mine, may not work for the next, all the recommendations are just general.

Its not like the mothers that are putting cereal in their babies bottles or feeding their babies food at 4 months are shoving alcohol in their bottles or junk on their spoons!

a little off topic, a bit of a vent, sorry =))







Scientist have already proved it because most if not all of the obese children got that way becasue they were getting bottles of cereal and milk. I guess you dont watch maury.










Do you have any information that you can reference to support this? cos i still find it hard to believe. babies to not grow obease and then into obease toddlers then obease children and teenages and so on from cereal in their bottles as a baby, it would be more from what and who is influencing what is going in their mouth and who is teaching them nutrition and how much is too much, and what is junk and what is not.






I'm pretty sure if i did a study of all the obease children in any country their food intake would consist of mainly easy un nutritious foods and junk as it is much easier for it to be prepared or bought then made from home, not to mention the crap they serve in school catines and cafeteria's(spell?) and little to NO exercise at all.






I'm not trying to have an argument about the topic i'm just yet to be convinced, so if you have any reference to this scientific study being done i would love to read it.






And sorry i'm not sure what 'Maury' is i live in Australia, if its a program we don't have that here.






Have a nice day and safe New Year =))






dont worry jessica...you're not missing much by not having maury where you live!! 

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All I can say is people know what is best for THEIR child. Every child is an individual, and different things work for different children. Some people suggest things to try to help and they do that thinking "well, it worked for me, so it might work for you!" There are a lot of different ideas out there and I think people just like giving their opinions to try to help others. If you don't like that advice you don't have to take it.

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Catlin - posted on 01/02/2010

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The one thing I don't think any one took into consideration here is that Samantha never said DR.'S. She said people. I would assume that she meant people like relatives, strangers at the grocery store, friends... People who always hand out unsolicited advice! Everyone took this WAY to personally!! If your Dr. recommended it for whatever reason, thats fine, if you did it cuz you wanted to, whatever. I don't think she was trying to start a huge argument, but was just asking a question.

Patti - posted on 01/02/2010

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hahahhahahaha.. woooooooooooowzers.. people need to settle down! if you dont like the cereal in the bottle then simply dont do it! sounds logical am i right? its your choice, its not gonna hurt the baby tho...

Lisa - posted on 01/02/2010

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just replying to the Maury thread, find it funny because a few drs on a silly talk say ti is so, then oh my gosh it must be... alas no my babes were supplemented with pablem in there bottles and they are not obese by any means, in fact i think them tiny, but alas cereal did not make them plump, but yes helped them sleep. Genetics, environment and habbits lend more to obesity then a wee bit of cereal in a bottle that the child will never remember having! So folks do what you think is best for ur babes, and maybe watch the DR's as a daily show for better advice. thanks

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i Did  not produce any milk and I also did not put other things in my daugters bottle the only thing that went in to it was Formula my daughter was always full she did not start eatting cereal till she was 5 months old..so not ever one that cant produce any milk does this just wanted to point this out1!!



Quoting Christi:



Quoting Nicole:
Exclusive breastfeeding is recommended up to 6 months of age, with continued breastfeeding along with appropriate complementary foods up to two years of age or beyond.- World Health Organization- bottom line no cereal in bottles. for that matter, no cereal at all- it is nutritionally devoid.






for those of us who did not produce any milk, cereal in bottles helps our little ones become full. my son would eat 8oz and be hungry an hour later. putting a little, not a lot of cereal into his bottle, as recommended by his doctor really helped him out. and since when does cereal hurt a child. my son has been on cereal since 3m and he is more advanced than other children his age.





 

Sarah - posted on 01/02/2010

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First off, if you breast feed you don't have to worry about putting "stuff" in the baby bottle. If they are not "sleeping" because they are hungry then feed them right before bed. If you think they are not getting enough to eat then feed them cereal from a spoon. I had alot of people trying to tell me that I needed to put cereal in my babies bottle when he was 2 months old because he would wake up alot during the night wanting to eat. I talked to his dr and found out that he was hungry more frequently becasue he had ACID REFLUX!! That could be alot of the reason why babies aren't getting enough, they vomit what they do eat up. Anyway, if thats the case they have Enfamil AR that thickens immediately when it hits their stomach and that is better than putting cereal in their bottles. If your nursing then bring it up to your dr that the baby isn't sleeping well and wants to eat more frequently..it may be that your not eating enough food to fill your baby up. My daughter has a swallowing problem, her flap over her windpipe doesn't close off when she drinks liquids. She has severe acid reflux on top of that. Everything that she drank went straight into her lungs. When she quit breathing we took her to the hospital locally, then was transported to childrens hospital. They told me that her liquids had to be thickened and that I could no longer nurse..my daughter at that time was 3 weeks old. I said there has got to be a way that I can still nurse and be able to thicken the milk. They said that there was a gel like thickner i could use for formula but not breast milk..something about the breast milk breaks it down and it doesn't stay thick. For medical reasons they told me that I could use some many teaspoons of rice cereal to so many ounces of milk...I did that for a while but then it made me nervous so I quit and just went to formula with the thickner. Eventually her acid reflux got so bad that she would reflux the formula up with the thickner and choke so I went back to nursing her with the cereal..it wasn't as thick. That would be the only reason I would think a dr. would say that its safe to thicken a bottle with cereal!!! Good luck.

Melissa - posted on 01/02/2010

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For one, every child, every doctor, and every situation is different. When my baby boy was two months old, he was drinking entirely too much formula, and was never satisfied. My pediatrician instructed me to begin putting rice cereal in his bottle to help with his intake of formula. I understand many of the reasons why it shouldn't be done, but for my child it i what was needed and it had none of the negative side effects that it could possibly have. He's now 14 months old, very healthy, and eats better than most children his age.

Jessica - posted on 01/02/2010

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I got the ok from my daughter's dr to put infant cereal in her bottle. She hit the usual growth spurt between 3 and 4 months and wasn't ready for solid foods. So putting cereal in her bottle helped keep her satisfied through the night so she could get the sleep she needed to develop. And like many other health topics, they are always doing studies that go back and forth between it being a good thing and a bad thing. I honestly don't believe my doctor would tell me to do something that was going to have a negative effect on my child. My mother did the same with me and the only time I've ever been overweight is now after having my own child. Aside from legitimate medical reasons, obesity is caused by poor eating habits and inactivity, not a bit of cereal in a bottle. You ask if the people who do it have asked their doctors, but have you asked yours? If you don't think it's right then don't do it but that doesn't give you the right to tell others who have done their research they are wrong for doing so. I personally like to find facts to back up any outrageous claims I may make.

Sally - posted on 01/02/2010

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obesity from 1/2 tsp rice cereal in a bottle ? mmmm.....thats an interesting little theory. haha

Cleo - posted on 01/02/2010

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when you ask the question " y do everyone i read say put things in a baby bottle?" before you go off on a venting spree maybe you should consider being more specific with the word "things". I didn't put "THINGS" in my daughter's bottle but I did put less than a pinch full of baby cereal into her bottle because she wasn't being satisfied with the amount I was feeding her. Yes I talked to her Dr. about it and she thought nothing wrong about it at all as long as she could digest her food properly without any problems then it was ok. As far as I'm concerned with this topic every mother is to do what they feel is best for their child. Whether they feel it's ok to put, in your terms, "things" in their baby's bottle or not if they feel they need to do so for the best for their baby then right on for them as long as the baby isn't being harmed by it.

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yeah my dr told me that its laziness. i wish i could re play what he said for you. he was a head shrink before ob/gyn and he is good. LAZY! people know that it is not safe or healthy and if they dont, LAZY, the information is out there.



seems a lot of people are defending themselves or the bottle thing. i know that its not safe, my doctor knows it, most parenting forums know it,,, anyway, if its thicker than healthy breast milk, it goes on a spoon.



Im with you on this one Samantha.









any back pressure helps reflux. Dont do what a doctor says without looking into it. a smaller nipple works the same way as adding thickener to milk in a bottle.



and no, its not healthy to put anything behind a nipple that is not milk. its just easier.











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Suzie - posted on 01/02/2010

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Quoting Rhiannon:

Wow, this is one thread pointless to post in as someone will rip you a new one no matter which side of the fence you sit on! What is the point of this site if all some people use it for is to harp on about their flawless mothering skills while telling others that they are useless? Try offering opinions and advice in a non-judemental way, it will get your point across alot better, and some people who you consider are doing the "wrong" thing might actually listen to you instead of retaliating with more abuse!



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Bobbie - posted on 01/01/2010

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My pedi actually told me to put a tiny bit of cereal in her bottle due to her having reflux it would help keep the milk down. It did seem to help. She is now almost 2 years old and is doing well.

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Quoting sophie:

I have NEVER heard a doctor or health visitor adise that you put anything other than water or milk into a bottle...they will warn you not to do it as it has been proven to be dangerous! The baby can choke for a start, and it can cause tooth decay. There is no need to put anything more solid than milk or water into a bottle, they can take it off a spoon in they need it. It just encourages bad habits and can lead to childhood obesity because a lot of babies will drink untill there is nothing left, rather than when their tummies feel full. I dont understand why so many people go against basic advise and information!!



Just because you never heard a doctor say it doesn't mean that they don't.  My son's pediatrician told me to put rice in his bottle because of acid reflux.  If you look above plenty of others told mothers to do the same.  Now that being said basic advise and information is what mothers are going with.  I don't see why everyone is going on here judging other mothers because they don't know the circumstances.  Every mother has their own oppinions on how to raise their children.  Oh and also if you know anything about acid reflux it causes children not to take food off of a spoon as easy. 

Nikki - posted on 01/01/2010

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Quoting nikki :



Quoting Rhiannon:

Wow, this is one thread pointless to post in as someone will rip you a new one no matter which side of the fence you sit on! What is the point of this site if all some people use it for is to harp on about their flawless mothering skills while telling others that they are useless? Try offering opinions and advice in a non-judemental way, it will get your point across alot better, and some people who you consider are doing the "wrong" thing might actually listen to you instead of retaliating with more abuse!





i agree...






 






althogh whilst readin through i hav had numerous thoughts on the topic...






a few suggestions that make sense to me






A) its dependent on a mother views on diet n how they eat themselves ... for instance, if ur the type of person who doesnt mind popping a burger or piece of toast in ur mouth to tide u over tll next meal then u may feel that its ok to also to put a spoon or 2 of cereal in milk






i make the comparisson because it may not be the healthiest option in forms of calories n east digestion but it satsfies ur child for a period of time n u think that its ok... same with urself n the toast or burger ( now dont get me wrong i am not tryin to b offensive jus sayin it like it is...)






 






i myself would b more like to eat a big filling meal rather then small quantities often.. n my daughter is the same way... (not because thats how i trained her but because thts wat she prefers) she was in scbu for 4mnths of her life n had problems drinkin from a bottle wen the nurses made attemts at feedin her she would take to muchtoo fast !! (SHE HAD THE SUCKLING DOWN TO A TEE) my lil1s a big eater n always was... obvously cereal was not put into her milk then... thts not wat im gettin at she was obviously farrr to young... but som bbies find it helpfull to hav ther milk a lil thinker so they dont end up chockin whilst feedin which my daughter did alot of the time...






 






also mums wud kno ... if u thinken the milk then giv less at a time so that their bby does not over feed maybe reduce by n ouce bbies do not hav to drink untill they r full... jus like alot of adults dont like that over ful feeling (makes u feel sluggish) who knos whether babies do... yes at a very young age babies need to eat n slee to develope n grow but bein awake 4 5/10mins never hurt my child so this is sumtimes wat i do...






my daughter is not 10mnths (7mnths correctd on the 6th) n i dint kno she cud drink a full 9ounce bottle until my mum told me ... i used to give her at most 7ounces at a time...n sumtimes she even vomited that upo... i put it down to reflux after i had everything else checked (she has a shunt in 4 hydrocephulus n vomitin is a syptom of blokage) i dint go to the doc to confor the reflux i dint add cereal to the milk either.. i jus gve her smaller amounts at closer intervals.. confirmed this with our health visitor n she congratulated me n confirmed i did the right thing (the point im tryna make here is mums no best for their babies)






now when she was in scbu she sufferd with nec was given meds n bounced right bak






after this episode wen i took her home i was so afraid to ween her wen the time came as i was afraid her bowel may still b sensitive... but i dd ween her wen she was 5 mnths corrected (i like all/most 1st time mothers made a mistake in givn her too much too soon) n she became very constipated) again i took it upon myself to solve that problem n she was perfectly fine after that...






now im happy to say she loves her food i hav no reason to put ne cereal in her milk as at night  use nightime milk  (which is thicker and i hav to use diff bottle teats so i kno its considerably thicker) i jus avoid lettn her fal asleep on the bottle which is not recommended ne way.. she'll finish a 9ounce n still b awake lol but will ply with my face till she falls asleep...






 






 






basically the point of my response was to show as parents we all hav instict on wat we feel we kno n trus is best for our babies... be it our 1st 2nd or 5th.. they r all different n require different diets n care... please stop throwin harsh wrds bk n forth... no 1 in there right mind wud do sumthing they do not believe is best or right for their own child... like  i sed






 






if u gta do sutn that is out of the ordinary alter it so its not harmfull...






 






if i hav to put porridge in my daughters bottle because we r runnin extremely late n we need to eat on the go i will put a porridge portion size not a milk portion size... i wud take the calorie amount into account n think to myself ok ... she gets x amount of spoons with x amount of ounces... n den juss add the milk she has after (she has a 6/7ounce bottle after porrige wich she asks for) she knos wen she full n will literally throw the bottle out of my hands so i hav a good indication of wen shes full lol






 






jus allow ppl to b mothers to their bbys dnt name them lazy or selfish (although i may hav sed selfish in an above post, that was simply targeted at it bein dun 4 only parents comfort n not bbys needs or requirements) every1 has a story!!! but yeh






 






b carefull with young bbys n solids if iss not every single feed n the feeds r more spaced out thers less risk of problem jus allow extra time for extra digestion...






i hav my own theory bout nec  stomach n bowel diseases  it is simply the inability to digest fully n a tip of the chemical balace in the gut ( i think neway) 






 






sorry for my essay n if i rambled but u'll gav me alot to think bout :) 






HOPE U'LL HAV A GREAT 2010!!





SORRY I forgot to add... lol



my dughter eats non pureed or mashed food as she throws the bowls of pureed food on the  floor (i found i even had to thiken that with bby rice between her pureed n mashed stage (its jus me findin wat was right for my chld) but now even with mashed she gets frustrated !!



 



she wud rather pic up  a piece of broccoli n take a (teethless) bite out of it!! she eatts almost all i eat with the exception of allergy foods (not recoomended until a year or 9mnths) she eats toast with me n love knawin on my chicken drumstic bones Loves the taste n must feel good on her gums!!



 



sum mums/dads wudnt agree with this but shes had no issuse wif digestion i giv her fresh fruit n veg n massage her every day also payin attention to her lower abdomen...(piked up that technique from watchin doc feel her tummy to check for distension... found it helps her poop with more ease!) even that helps digestion circulation n overall relaxation!! food is not the b all n end all.. iss important but add other practises n ur bby will benifit from them jus as much!! maybe even more



 



my frst bby n i'm so proud of her n myself we'v been through so much together in her 10mnths of life n i'v learnt soooooo much 



 



av been told im a natural im confident n wat i do



thats all i can say BE CONFIDENT IN WHAT U DO FOR UR CHILD IF U KNO ITS OUT OF LOVE NO1 CAN TELL U UR WRNG 4 LOVIN UR CHILD they can hand out advice but do ur own research

Nikki - posted on 01/01/2010

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Quoting Rhiannon:

Wow, this is one thread pointless to post in as someone will rip you a new one no matter which side of the fence you sit on! What is the point of this site if all some people use it for is to harp on about their flawless mothering skills while telling others that they are useless? Try offering opinions and advice in a non-judemental way, it will get your point across alot better, and some people who you consider are doing the "wrong" thing might actually listen to you instead of retaliating with more abuse!


i agree...



 



althogh whilst readin through i hav had numerous thoughts on the topic...



a few suggestions that make sense to me



A) its dependent on a mother views on diet n how they eat themselves ... for instance, if ur the type of person who doesnt mind popping a burger or piece of toast in ur mouth to tide u over tll next meal then u may feel that its ok to also to put a spoon or 2 of cereal in milk



i make the comparisson because it may not be the healthiest option in forms of calories n east digestion but it satsfies ur child for a period of time n u think that its ok... same with urself n the toast or burger ( now dont get me wrong i am not tryin to b offensive jus sayin it like it is...)



 



i myself would b more like to eat a big filling meal rather then small quantities often.. n my daughter is the same way... (not because thats how i trained her but because thts wat she prefers) she was in scbu for 4mnths of her life n had problems drinkin from a bottle wen the nurses made attemts at feedin her she would take to muchtoo fast !! (SHE HAD THE SUCKLING DOWN TO A TEE) my lil1s a big eater n always was... obvously cereal was not put into her milk then... thts not wat im gettin at she was obviously farrr to young... but som bbies find it helpfull to hav ther milk a lil thinker so they dont end up chockin whilst feedin which my daughter did alot of the time...



 



also mums wud kno ... if u thinken the milk then giv less at a time so that their bby does not over feed maybe reduce by n ouce bbies do not hav to drink untill they r full... jus like alot of adults dont like that over ful feeling (makes u feel sluggish) who knos whether babies do... yes at a very young age babies need to eat n slee to develope n grow but bein awake 4 5/10mins never hurt my child so this is sumtimes wat i do...



my daughter is not 10mnths (7mnths correctd on the 6th) n i dint kno she cud drink a full 9ounce bottle until my mum told me ... i used to give her at most 7ounces at a time...n sumtimes she even vomited that upo... i put it down to reflux after i had everything else checked (she has a shunt in 4 hydrocephulus n vomitin is a syptom of blokage) i dint go to the doc to confor the reflux i dint add cereal to the milk either.. i jus gve her smaller amounts at closer intervals.. confirmed this with our health visitor n she congratulated me n confirmed i did the right thing (the point im tryna make here is mums no best for their babies)



now when she was in scbu she sufferd with nec was given meds n bounced right bak



after this episode wen i took her home i was so afraid to ween her wen the time came as i was afraid her bowel may still b sensitive... but i dd ween her wen she was 5 mnths corrected (i like all/most 1st time mothers made a mistake in givn her too much too soon) n she became very constipated) again i took it upon myself to solve that problem n she was perfectly fine after that...



now im happy to say she loves her food i hav no reason to put ne cereal in her milk as at night  use nightime milk  (which is thicker and i hav to use diff bottle teats so i kno its considerably thicker) i jus avoid lettn her fal asleep on the bottle which is not recommended ne way.. she'll finish a 9ounce n still b awake lol but will ply with my face till she falls asleep...



 



 



basically the point of my response was to show as parents we all hav instict on wat we feel we kno n trus is best for our babies... be it our 1st 2nd or 5th.. they r all different n require different diets n care... please stop throwin harsh wrds bk n forth... no 1 in there right mind wud do sumthing they do not believe is best or right for their own child... like  i sed



 



if u gta do sutn that is out of the ordinary alter it so its not harmfull...



 



if i hav to put porridge in my daughters bottle because we r runnin extremely late n we need to eat on the go i will put a porridge portion size not a milk portion size... i wud take the calorie amount into account n think to myself ok ... she gets x amount of spoons with x amount of ounces... n den juss add the milk she has after (she has a 6/7ounce bottle after porrige wich she asks for) she knos wen she full n will literally throw the bottle out of my hands so i hav a good indication of wen shes full lol



 



jus allow ppl to b mothers to their bbys dnt name them lazy or selfish (although i may hav sed selfish in an above post, that was simply targeted at it bein dun 4 only parents comfort n not bbys needs or requirements) every1 has a story!!! but yeh



 



b carefull with young bbys n solids if iss not every single feed n the feeds r more spaced out thers less risk of problem jus allow extra time for extra digestion...



i hav my own theory bout nec  stomach n bowel diseases  it is simply the inability to digest fully n a tip of the chemical balace in the gut ( i think neway) 



 



sorry for my essay n if i rambled but u'll gav me alot to think bout :) 



HOPE U'LL HAV A GREAT 2010!!

Nikki - posted on 01/01/2010

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Quoting Rhiannon:

Wow, this is one thread pointless to post in as someone will rip you a new one no matter which side of the fence you sit on! What is the point of this site if all some people use it for is to harp on about their flawless mothering skills while telling others that they are useless? Try offering opinions and advice in a non-judemental way, it will get your point across alot better, and some people who you consider are doing the "wrong" thing might actually listen to you instead of retaliating with more abuse!


i agree...



 



althogh whilst readin through i hav had numerous thoughts on the topic...



a few suggestions that make sense to me



A) its dependent on a mother views on diet n how they eat themselves ... for instance, if ur the type of person who doesnt mind popping a burger or piece of toast in ur mouth to tide u over tll next meal then u may feel that its ok to also to put a spoon or 2 of cereal in milk



i make the comparisson because it may not be the healthiest option in forms of calories n east digestion but it satsfies ur child for a period of time n u think that its ok... same with urself n the toast or burger ( now dont get me wrong i am not tryin to b offensive jus sayin it like it is...)



 



i myself would b more like to eat a big filling meal rather then small quantities often.. n my daughter is the same way... (not because thats how i trained her but because thts wat she prefers) she was in scbu for 4mnths of her life n had problems drinkin from a bottle wen the nurses made attemts at feedin her she would take to muchtoo fast !! (SHE HAD THE SUCKLING DOWN TO A TEE) my lil1s a big eater n always was... obvously cereal was not put into her milk then... thts not wat im gettin at she was obviously farrr to young... but som bbies find it helpfull to hav ther milk a lil thinker so they dont end up chockin whilst feedin which my daughter did alot of the time...



 



also mums wud kno ... if u thinken the milk then giv less at a time so that their bby does not over feed maybe reduce by n ouce bbies do not hav to drink untill they r full... jus like alot of adults dont like that over ful feeling (makes u feel sluggish) who knos whether babies do... yes at a very young age babies need to eat n slee to develope n grow but bein awake 4 5/10mins never hurt my child so this is sumtimes wat i do...



my daughter is not 10mnths (7mnths correctd on the 6th) n i dint kno she cud drink a full 9ounce bottle until my mum told me ... i used to give her at most 7ounces at a time...n sumtimes she even vomited that upo... i put it down to reflux after i had everything else checked (she has a shunt in 4 hydrocephulus n vomitin is a syptom of blokage) i dint go to the doc to confor the reflux i dint add cereal to the milk either.. i jus gve her smaller amounts at closer intervals.. confirmed this with our health visitor n she congratulated me n confirmed i did the right thing (the point im tryna make here is mums no best for their babies)



now when she was in scbu she sufferd with nec was given meds n bounced right bak



after this episode wen i took her home i was so afraid to ween her wen the time came as i was afraid her bowel may still b sensitive... but i dd ween her wen she was 5 mnths corrected (i like all/most 1st time mothers made a mistake in givn her too much too soon) n she became very constipated) again i took it upon myself to solve that problem n she was perfectly fine after that...



now im happy to say she loves her food i hav no reason to put ne cereal in her milk as at night  use nightime milk  (which is thicker and i hav to use diff bottle teats so i kno its considerably thicker) i jus avoid lettn her fal asleep on the bottle which is not recommended ne way.. she'll finish a 9ounce n still b awake lol but will ply with my face till she falls asleep...



 



 



basically the point of my response was to show as parents we all hav instict on wat we feel we kno n trus is best for our babies... be it our 1st 2nd or 5th.. they r all different n require different diets n care... please stop throwin harsh wrds bk n forth... no 1 in there right mind wud do sumthing they do not believe is best or right for their own child... like  i sed



 



if u gta do sutn that is out of the ordinary alter it so its not harmfull...



 



if i hav to put porridge in my daughters bottle because we r runnin extremely late n we need to eat on the go i will put a porridge portion size not a milk portion size... i wud take the calorie amount into account n think to myself ok ... she gets x amount of spoons with x amount of ounces... n den juss add the milk she has after (she has a 6/7ounce bottle after porrige wich she asks for) she knos wen she full n will literally throw the bottle out of my hands so i hav a good indication of wen shes full lol



 



jus allow ppl to b mothers to their bbys dnt name them lazy or selfish (although i may hav sed selfish in an above post, that was simply targeted at it bein dun 4 only parents comfort n not bbys needs or requirements) every1 has a story!!! but yeh



 



b carefull with young bbys n solids if iss not every single feed n the feeds r more spaced out thers less risk of problem jus allow extra time for extra digestion...



i hav my own theory bout nec  stomach n bowel diseases  it is simply the inability to digest fully n a tip of the chemical balace in the gut ( i think neway) 



 



sorry for my essay n if i rambled but u'll gav me alot to think bout :) 



HOPE U'LL HAV A GREAT 2010!!

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Well i can only speak out of my experience, I didnt put cereal or baby food in my sons milk till he acted like he wasnt getting enough ..told by the pdiatrician to do so..its not unthought of though alot of ppl do it and as far as obsity...never happened with my son eitheir...he was just 17lbs at almost 2 and now hes ten and is just 52 lbs and tall...i always figured children took after their parents...as mine has.... i could be wrong, lol

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it's because it fills them up, and they are more likely to sleep better and for longer. i'm not saying that is right but that is the way it is.

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because every baby is different and also has to do with the generation. older people will tell you to put things in the bottle because that's what they did and they figure their kids turned out ok so why not.

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I think a lil baby cereal in the bottle- just before you introduce it to them, may be a good idea, just so u know their system can handle it, not every meal tho! Honey- havin kids invites everyone's crazy antics and crap! I was told to feed my kids 'snake skin oil' and they'll never get sick.......great huh? Just do what you think is best! I know someone whos gives a bite of food-adult food- to her infant, who is 1 month old, and born prematurely- Honey- I'd like to smack her. Just take the advice with a smile, say 'Yea, that's great, but I go by the book, thanks!', run away from the crazy person, then come home, write it down, and laugh your butt off later!! I've also heard someone say that her daughter had a hard time in labor, because while pregnant, she slept all day and so 'the baby got stuck to her lungs' and she SERIOUSLY believed this was medically possible. SERIOUSLY believed the baby and lung were stuck to each other. Smile! You'll get some good advice, and some even better laughs!!

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i was told to try putting cereal in my daughters bottle to keep her fuller as my milk wasnt full enough, instead she was eatin 1 teaspoon of cereal mixed with my milk in a bowl at night before her bottle, she was 10 weeks when i started this, worked a treat as it meant she was on solids earlier, bt it is different for everybaby

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iv nver put anything in my lil girls bottle iv herd that it reaks the teat and like i dnt think its right eather iv not spoke to anyone but iv not found i needed to or wanted to

Ashleigh - posted on 01/01/2010

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iv nver put anything in my lil girls bottle iv herd that it reaks the teat and like i dnt think its right eather iv not spoke to anyone but iv not found i needed to or wanted to

Ashleigh - posted on 01/01/2010

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iv nver put anything in my lil girls bottle iv herd that it reaks the teat and like i dnt think its right eather iv not spoke to anyone but iv not found i needed to or wanted to

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I heard all these arguments before only the mom knows what is best for her child. I did it for my child and it was not to make her sleep longer or make her gain weight or any the reason the other moms stated. My daughter is not obease she is really tiny for her age and I didn't start till she was about 5 months old and it was one bottle a day very diluted so she would get used to the taste and it was for about two months then everything was by spoon. I even discussed it with my daughters doctor and he did not see the harm and he also gave all the information I needed pros and cons and told me do what I think was right. knowledge can be our worst or best enemy it is how one uses the information we are given. All moms try their best in what is right for their own child. If you do not like the advice then do not follow it but do not knock someone elses views b/c you do not agree with it. You are your own judge for your child and know what is best.

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some doctors tell u to put cereal in the bottles to help keep the formula down. I had 2 with all of my kids because they could not keep any formula down at all.

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i would add rice cerel to their bottles to let them sleep longr and easier they even have formula now with the cerel in it ...plus our parents did it to us when we were little and we turned out fine we also slept on or stomaches ....everything changes its your child your their mother so you do whats best for them and dont worry about what other ppl do

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When you say things you mean food and cereal I am assuming. My son started off w/ cereal at 6wks old, I would say less than a half a teaspoon and he was fine. He was more satisfied and happy b/c of this. He was drinking more than his usual 1 can of formula and the dr. recommended just adding a few flakes. At four months I gave him it in a bowl like a regular meal.

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i understand wat they are thinking, i dont agree with it tho.my baby is breastfeed and is starting his rice cereal today, he will be six months old is 7 days,.. and my big baby was breastfeed and didnt eat till he was six months, and started with rice cereal and would be sitting in his hight chair. i dont know how to say exactly wat it is i think about it, but i can say that i reackon if a baby wakes up and they want another feed give them another bottle or put them on the breast not to put food in a bottle. i dont think that it is a good habbit to get a childed into to wake up in the night to snack, bottle or breast is alright and they will grow out of that themself, might need a littlle bit of help like giveing water instead of milk to brack the habbit of wakeiing up for a bit of a drink. but when that have enough solded food to be ful till they can wait till breaky than they shoulded wake up in the night!

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I breastfeed my little boy but my mom and i always got on my sister for putting cereal in the bottle then she would wine that it clogs up the bottle so she would make the whole bigger! i told her why dont you just feed him cereal after giving him the bottle. Thankfully she did and everyone was happy! sorry kinda went of track but anyway i agree stop putting stuff in bottle's unless you dr tell you to!

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My son at 4 months old was eating eight 8 oz bottles a day. He is not fat now at 5. I put ceral in his bottles and he is fine

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I breastfeed and people are asking my why i don't pump and put cereal in so that he'll sleep longer. my simple answer is that i'm doing what's best for my baby, not what's convenient to me since i have no medical reasons to do this for him. some people's doctors tell them to add cereal for some other health reasons, and some people i think just add it because friends say they have done it. there are lots of issues now with it. if you don't mix it well, there is a possibility or choking, it can cause digestive issues that could lead to latter allergies, even links to diabetes and obesity, but do the research for yourselves, don't take my word for it. I had a friend who added cereal and her baby still never slept through the nite, another EBF mom whose baby sleeps 11 hours. ??? even if a doctor tells you something or recommends it, please look up information yourselves. my doctor wanted me to take four different kinds of meds for blood pressure and i researched it, changed my diet and now am fine without any kind of med at all. i know we all want what's best for our kids, just be sure that you KNOW what you're getting into, not simply because anyone else - doc or not -says you should.



and i don't think this is an odd question. i often wonder why so many do this when many cases it isn't needed. i do think it's just a myth/trend.

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Quoting Crystal:



Quoting Tamika:

Im sorry but has anyone noticed that america is the fattest country in the world and we are as far as I know the only country that puts cereal in our babies bottles, maybe there is a connection, dont you think.






I really dont see how putting cereal in our babies bottles is gonna make them fat? I did it with my son and hes not fat at all. hes actually kinda small for his age. .Kids in America are fat becuase the parents feed them fast food and Junk food all the time. with leads to obesity.





I agree with Crystal feeding your kids Mcdonalds and Cheese puffs all day is what making your kids fat and obese.... My mom put cereal in my bottle and her mom put cereal in her bottle and I put cereal in my boys bottles... None of us are obese or fat or have any digestion problems. And i also agree with what someone else said... It say right on cereal box to add with formula or breastmilk.... What does it matter if it is in a bottle or not.... You people need to get over your selves, Who gives you the right to call someone a bad mother just because the way  they raise THEIR kid is different from what you do... WHO CARES!!!!!! I do not put cereal in my boys bottles to keep them full so I could sleep... I put it in there because they could not hold regular formula on their belly, and i figured that if it was thickened up it would help settle their belly. I don't know if you noticed but ALL brands of formula have a formula with ADDED RICE. ( which I found out they needed soy) And especially with baby products they are not going to sell something if it is harmful to our babies... Thats why they invented this nice little invention called RECALLED PRODUCTS... If you don't think something is right ask your ped.... it is as simple as that... If cereal for your baby isn't their thing then don't give it to them, if it is then so be it... But just like EVERYONE else on this post this is MY OPPINION.... Take it or leave it I Really don't care...

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wow! i definitely think you could have worded your statement/question better i think you were being very rude to judge other parents the way you did and that goes for all other moms who have been judging. First of all it really not recommended to do it anymore but mothers have been doing it for the longest time my grandmother did it!!!! and i have known a lot of kids who had cereal in their bottle and not one is even over weight no less obese!!!!! for moms who enjoy waking up ever few ours that great i didn't mind it but that doesn't mean you or i have the right to judge other moms that's just wrong!! i was afraid of my son choking. and to the people talking about the obesity thing America is obese because people stuff their face with shit!!! i bet a lot of mothers will give their kids McDonald's but their afraid of the cereal making them obese that is hysterical to me.

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My dr is the one that told me to put things in my daughters bottle.. I did what was best for MY child. Each child is different. Just because i did it with my first doesnt mean ill do it with my second.

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Well no it is NOT recommended to add other things like cereal to a bottle. However mothers were doing that for YEARS before they were told not to do that. So I think old habits die hard. If you have a mother that you really trust and she tells you to do it even tho the doc says don't some women might listen to their mother. Honestly it usually doesn't hurt anything...

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well im from Australia and i did put rice cereal in my babies bottles and yes i did it to make my children fuller so they weren't constantly feeding and yes they did sleep better. they were very content. mothers need their sleep to and if that makes me lazy so be it

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Quoting Nicole:

Exclusive breastfeeding is recommended up to 6 months of age, with continued breastfeeding along with appropriate complementary foods up to two years of age or beyond.- World Health Organization- bottom line no cereal in bottles. for that matter, no cereal at all- it is nutritionally devoid.



for those of us who did not produce any milk, cereal in bottles helps our little ones become full. my son would eat 8oz and be hungry an hour later. putting a little, not a lot of cereal into his bottle, as recommended by his doctor really helped him out. and since when does cereal hurt a child. my son has been on cereal since 3m and he is more advanced than other children his age.

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my doctor told me to put cereal in a bottle for my son. the reason it is not recommended is because there are some mothers who are not reasonsible enough or do not have enough brain cells to watch their child while they eat. people tend to give a child a bottle and walk off whether it be at night or during to day and if left unattended a child could eat too fast and choke. but watched properly and if the cereal is mixed properly, it is fine to put cereal in a bottle for a NORMAL child. children who have digestive problem, reflux, ect. it is crucial to avoid doing this. but all in all, you should talk to your doctor and see what he/she says.

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I don't know what the big deal it... I put cereal in my childs bottle when he was younger. It didn't harm him in any way. He is a happy healthy 7 year old now. I didn't put it in his bottle to keep he fuller longer or to help him sleep longer. FYI-- his doctor told me to put cereal in his bottle due to him not getting full at all. He would eat a bottle and two minutes later would be crying cause he was still hungry. I did everything from uping his ounces to giving him gas meds, pacies.. Everything you could think of to do. I even changed his formula i don't know how many times. Finally the doctor told me to put some rice cereal in his bottle to satisfy him. I did that and never had a problem with him after that.

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I think it depends where you are from. There are people on here from all different countries and regions and the doctors in each area suggest different things. Where I live, I have never heard of a doctor suggesting to put formula in a bottle and every time you take your child for a check up or immunizations, the nurses ask if you are doing this and tell you that it should never be done. Also, all of the papers they hand out at the hospital tell you to never, ever put formula in a bottle. I never did it and not one of my friends did it either. Most of us breastfed too though so it wasn't really even an option but personally, I would never do it anyways. Our doctors also ask us to never start solids before 6 months here and alot of women on COM talk about their doctors suggesting it as early as 2 months so it must all depend on where you are from.

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I have a two month old daughter and I have to put some rice cereal in her milk because she started to projectile vomit after each feeding. I couldn't even lay her down to change her diaper or it would all come back up. I agree with most of the other replys everyone is different and every child is different. My pediatrician gave me the option of rice cereal of meds and I didn't want to put her on meds without trying the cereal first and it works for us.

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Haha, how funny that in this day and age we need to consult someone in order to raise our own children, reminds me of the warning signs you get these days: (lighter fluid:Highly flamable!, or insect spray:may cause irratation) It seems experiance means nothing, and studies have taken over, If a person seeks advice because they them selves want an oppinion of an experianced person and they have none then of course those that have experiance will know a little more, but if you have not been through the same experiance as another and you put your two bobs worth in then thats all it is, just your two bobs worth, ps doctors can and have been wrong, nurses/midwives can and have been wrong, studies do and will often fail when applied, common sence prevails, instincs over ride, and a bottle is just a tool to get food into a babys mouth, be it formular or smooth runny rice cerial or breast milk, spoons are man made not exactly natural either, so does this mean we should eat with our fingers incase our babys choke trying to get the spoon into their little mouths?
All I can say is if your child is healthy, happy, content, your an awesome mother and if your child isnt well and you do not know what to do, get some advice from an experianced person but your still awesome because your doing everything you can.


I agree, but I still beleive its important to ask doctors for advise on your babies nutrition. There are alot of people out there that are just plain dumb, and make their babies sick because of theyre much too laid back attitude and ignorance about just how fragile a baby's health can be. Yes, doctors are often wrong, and will continue to be, and dont know everything, or know your child as well as you do, but that doesnt mean their advice isnt valuable. If doctors never gave advice on the way you take care of your children, there would be alot more sick babies out there. I dont necessarily beleive that cereal in the bottle can make them sick, but too much of it could, and given too early can also hurt them. I personally dont do it, but might have if she needed it for some reason (like acid reflux, or weight gain etc.) and was too young to eat from a spoon. Im sure alot of people have no idea when and how to do things like this, and this is why doctors advice is so invaluable. Even if you have made your decision, its always helpful to get reassurance from doctors, or to learn about different options. Im not an uptight mom, but I always ask a doctor or nurse before I change something in my daughters diet due to the fact that babies have very fragile digestive systems, and I dont know everything about infant health. I also agree with keeping food seperate from the bottle (if possible) because it teaches healthy eating habbits, and probobly helps avoid a stretched stomach that can cause even more hunger, and eventually could cause them to be overweight . I really beleive that. If its not completely necessary, then you just shouldnt do it.

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Quoting Kelsey:



Quoting Samantha Neil:

also they sell bumper pads and they say thoes arnt good as well ... just an example of another thing they sell for money...






LOL! I know! I spent over 100 dollars on a crib set that was only a bumper pad (huge and pillow like) a sheet, and a crib skirt! What a rip off! I never used the bumper cause I was too afraid of her suffocating, and still am, so I basically paid 100 bucks for a sheet and bed skirt! Aww the hazards of being a first time parent and online shopping! lol! :)





"hazards of being a first time parent".  that's funny and SO TRUE!! there are so many things i've bought for my son that i never even used!!!!

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I actually never heard of that. I fed my child like with a spoon and from a bowl when she was 4 months but who knows some people do different things

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Quoting Tamika:



Quoting Jessica:

Yes back in the day this was a common practise and most of our mother would have put cereal in our bottles and most of us have turned out okay and definatly not obease!

Come on people i dont see how a teaspoon of rice cereal in a 180-240ml bottle is going to make your child obease, its basically empty calories!!!! yes it may stretch the stomach 'slightly' but hardly obease thats just silly! I would love to see how some sientist would try and prove this!

Alot of mothers do put the cereal in the bottle at night to help their baby sleep longer, and if it works for you then great!! enjoy the sleep while you can! I tried it, it didnt work for me so i just had to suck it up and get little to no sleep until my son was 3 1/2 months and slept 12 hours straight.

I think we all need to ask our selves if a doc or a ped IS recommending this for a baby, there is a code of practise and a duty of care, so i hardly think they would recommend it if their was any chance it may hinder your babies development or make them obease!

I'm sorry if im sounding harsh, this is not my intention at all, I'm just so over when people are asking for advice on something that is not recommened by a doc, a nurse, a ped, or a midwife everyone is so quick to say "no no no dont do that thats not recommended" all the advice we get from asking a question we may not take, as we look at it and see which would be best for our baby. Not every baby is the same, what might work for mine, may not work for the next, all the recommendations are just general.

Its not like the mothers that are putting cereal in their babies bottles or feeding their babies food at 4 months are shoving alcohol in their bottles or junk on their spoons!

a little off topic, a bit of a vent, sorry =))





Scientist have already proved it because most if not all of the obese children got that way becasue they were getting bottles of cereal and milk. I guess you dont watch maury.





The obesity doesn't actually come from adding the cereal to the bottle(although the extra calories don't help to deter it), rather teaching the child poor dietary habits from an early age. The best way to teach good dietary habits are to start "rules" early i.e. food comes from a spoon, not from your cup. This will help to teach the child as they grow that you can SEE what FOOD you are eating and as they continue to become more in charge of their own eating habits and food choices, they will make better food choices IF they have been taught the best choices to make. It's more about teaching good habits, rather than endorsing bad ones. that being said, If a pediatrician recommends it as a means to end a medical issue or problem, then obviously defer to your pediatrician.

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my little boy had very severe reflux and an allergy to milk and soy so it turns out...had it not been for the cereal that we were told to give him in his bottles he probably would have starved to death in the fist few weeks and yes we tried elevating him and tilting his crib and everything else any one ever offered...do I think that it is normally a good idea...Id have to say no, my second child has had no problems and she has not had any cereal added to her bottles...however you shouldn't criticize what other people do with their children as long as their kids are healthy and happy that's all that matters...I can understand your frustration but please try to understand that some people have no choice and that in some cases its strange things that seem to work for their kids.

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Quoting Jamie:

Oh and I was giving it to my daughter because she had acid reflux and it was the only thing that help.






Although I know it is suggested for reflux, did your pediatrician give you any other ideas?  Our ENT had us put a small blanket on one side of my daughter's crib to elevate it slightly.  We also held her at an incline for 20 minutes after a feeding and those helped her reflux.  My daughter was breastfed so cereal in a bottle wasn't going to happen for us. Actually, she's outgrown her reflux and she's still not on any solids.





 

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I have NEVER heard a doctor or health visitor adise that you put anything other than water or milk into a bottle...they will warn you not to do it as it has been proven to be dangerous! The baby can choke for a start, and it can cause tooth decay. There is no need to put anything more solid than milk or water into a bottle, they can take it off a spoon in they need it. It just encourages bad habits and can lead to childhood obesity because a lot of babies will drink untill there is nothing left, rather than when their tummies feel full. I dont understand why so many people go against basic advise and information!!

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