Circumcision ban?

Sandra - posted on 11/19/2010 ( 1013 moms have responded )

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San Francisco might be proposing a ban a circumcision....

I, personally, absolutely, do not agree with circumcising a child. (My son is not) I also feel that most people with the "it's cleaner" idea, aren't fully educated in the area. That's actually a VERY popular misconception. There is a reason it's not covered be (most) insurance anymore. It's not necessary. It's an elective, cosmetic surgery.

One mother I knew said it best, "Saying preventing UTI's and other infections is why you chose to circumcise your son, is like saying you cut off your pinky to prevent a hangnail. Totally unnecessary."

However, I do think they should make some room for religious reasons... It's a very fine line.... Personally, i don't even agree with religious reasons. You're still cutting off part of a persons body... But exceptions should be made whether we all agree or not...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/13...

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Funny story....

Chad was putting on his watch last night before he went to play poker at his boss' house. Roxanne walked up to him and said, "Daddy, I have your cock please?"

Poor kid just wanted to see his CLOCK and we couldn't stop laughing.

Krista - posted on 12/19/2010

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Well, if you ever get tired of them and need tips on how to deal with thick, unruly hair, I've dealt with that shit for YEARS now, and totally know all the tricks.

Oh wait, I'm off-topic.

PENIS! Penis, penis, penis, penis!

There, that's better.

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for real though. My hair gets really tangled when i would shower and it hurt so bad. No conditioner could fix it. I would need to brush for an hour to get the tangles out. Plus its super thick. So its really hard to manage. Dreads you do nothing. just wash and go :)

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Or we could just keep chappin' away to each other....lmao.

Julianne, what made you decide to wear dreads?

Ez - posted on 12/19/2010

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I ♥ Dr Edell.. there is also a wonderful video of him talking about the bogus HIV claims.

April - posted on 12/19/2010

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Thanks for the links, Rebecca! I think I am going to wait until we actually HAVE another boy before showing it to him. I worry that if I show it to him too early, he'll become desensitized to it and won't change his mind.

@ Krista-- yes I too find it odd that going against the masses is a BAD thing! She seriously thinks I'm trying to be rebellious

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yea when i started researching circumcision when i was still on the fence...i watched a video and almost puked.

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April, maybe you should have your husband watch the videos of an actual circumcision -- he sounds like he is willing to listen to reason and that may change his mind about the procedure. I know the turning point for my husband was when we attended a bris -- he was HORRIFIED, had to walk out early, and swore from that point on he would never allow anyone to do something like that to any child of his. Just a thought. ;-) The Intact America website has a great video by Dr. Edell that shows the actual procedure (along with a very detailed discussion of the pros and cons of the procedure). I would highly recommend he watch it. YouTube also has quite a few videos. I will warn you -- it's awful to hear how hard those babies cry and see what is done. Not for the faint of heart.

Krista - posted on 12/19/2010

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And April, I think that's such a shame that your family isn't being supportive of your choices. I mean, heaven forbid that somebody not blindly follow convention, right? Sigh...

Minnie - posted on 12/19/2010

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Ahhhhh, Krista! LOLOLOL



OK yours are exempt. If only we could all emulate you!



If everyone farted rainbows we would have automatic world peace.

Minnie - posted on 12/19/2010

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April, I am proud to be the family hippie-gua-gua-earth mother.



It can be lonely though.



They don't really sound concerned about your and your son's well-being. They sound like they feel inadequate in face of your choices.

Krista - posted on 12/19/2010

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Yes...as opposed to female genitalia, which look like serene beds of roses brimming with sparkling moonlight.

Mine do, Moreau. And my pubes are made of spun gold and my clitoris is a miniature unicorn horn.

And I fart rainbows.

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Nothing wrong with dreads! ;)

I'm sorry, April -- I think you're wonderful and I'm shocked at your family. If they weren't your family I would probably have a few more very harsh words for them. We're here to support you even if they're not. Hang in there! You're doing an amazing job!

Petra - posted on 12/19/2010

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Holy shit April, that's harsh. I think that both of the parents need to consent to non-emergency surgical procedures, so if i were you, I'd withhold my consent. My partner is circumcised, my step-son was circumcised and my GP pressured us to circumcise my son. T wanted to circumcise him, so I told him to look into it, and he balked at the $300 price tag. Obviously, he wasn't passionate about his "rights" to enforce identical genitals on his newborn son, since it is an expensive cosmetic procedure here in Canada. He is fine with answering the questions about why they look different. Not a big frickin deal if your penises don't look the same, but it seems like this is a male machismo sticking point for a lot of men.

April - posted on 12/19/2010

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it is so hard to make people see your point when they all agree with one another. it isn't just about circumcision. they all ganged up on me about having a home birth after a previous c-section and even breastfeeding my 2 year old got thrown into the mix. I believe the term I was called was "hippie" and being a hippie is why I don't want to circumcise. ugh.....i am beyond annoyed. My husband was fully supportive of the homebirth and now he agrees with THEM. Me and my big mouth. I shouldn't share my thoughts anymore! I swear I am going to lie about not being in labor when it happens. That way I will be forced to deliver at home! Oh and my sister said what's next? Are you going to get dredlocks too?

Minnie - posted on 12/19/2010

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That's so frustrating, April. It's really funny, to me, at least, about the 17 year old complaining that no girls would sleep with him. In my past experience, 17 year old girls typically don't have their priorities in order. And I suppose neither did he. Shouldn't he have been focusing on school? Ahh, those raging teenage hormones.



Again, let's teach our children that their bodies are ugly. Let's rip off pieces of them to conform to society. Great values.



It tires me hearing that women are repulsed, over and over, about a natural, normal penis. Have they taken a look between their own legs, lately?



My mother circumcised my brother. When I brought to her the research and the logic she changed her stance immediately. She's not ashamed, because she did what she did because in the 1980s nearly every boy was circumcised in the US. She didn't know any better.

Charlie - posted on 12/18/2010

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Clarissa it is blindingly clear you have little comprehension of of debate , dear cheesewhiz why do people join these groups if they are going to have a whine about people opposing their POV .

Ez - posted on 12/18/2010

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Ugh.. Loureen was simply pointing out that your preference for how a penis looks should have nothing to do with your son, since you will not be one of his sexual partners.

Clarissa - posted on 12/18/2010

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no telling me what i should of done for my child, thats no reason to make rude remarks about sleeping with my child, its rude and unesassary

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Are you part of the same thread, Clarissa? That's exactly what we're supposed to be doing! It's called debating!

Clarissa - posted on 12/18/2010

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and also im his mother, so dont tell me what i am allowed and am not allowed to do for him

Clarissa - posted on 12/18/2010

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Just because you dont agree doesnt mean you have to make remarks like that, i have my opinion and un-circumsized penises look nasty

April - posted on 12/18/2010

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a private circumcision debate between my husband and I turned into a debate between the two of us, his friend, his friend's girlfriend, my mother, and my sister. Let's just say I was the only one that was anti-circumcision. I was ganged up on and ridiculed. Here are some of the things they said:

Friend: My buddy had himself circumcised when he was 17 because none of the girls wanted to have sex with him.

Sister: I had a boyfriend who was uncircumcised and he repulsed me.

Friend's girlfriend: Yeah I was with someone uncirc'd too and I wanted to throw up

Mom: You want everyone to make fun of your son? REAL nice..

Sister again: Why do you have to go against the herd just to make a point that you think differently?

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wow...a couple more pages since i was here......i seen some comments on people wanting their sons penises to look like their fathers....Why does it matter if someones penis looks the same....its not like someone is going to tell anyways...Do you routinely have father and son walking down the road together, and have strangers comment on how different their penises look? i think not!!! hahahaa

Minnie - posted on 12/18/2010

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Yes...as opposed to female genitalia, which look like serene beds of roses brimming with sparkling moonlight.

Charlie - posted on 12/18/2010

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Labias look nasty might as well just clip them off in case someone doesn't like it *eye roll*

Regardless of your sexual preference it should have nothing to do with the natural state of your child's genitals considering YOU wont be sleeping with him .

Minnie - posted on 12/18/2010

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My husband used to be pro-circumcision too, April, for pretty much the same reasons your husband has. It doesn't make sense to him anymore.

Just takes time and some real thinking.

April - posted on 12/18/2010

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My husband's name is David!! :) He may not be intact, but he is perfect to me. I am hoping that he will see the light by the time we have a second child, should that child be male.

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Totally unrelated, but humorous -- my art history professor in undergrad had an opportunity to study the David in detail -- including to take detailed measurements of his entire body. I don't know if you've ever noticed, but David's right hand is much larger than it should be and is out of portion to the rest of his body. Supposedly, it was designed that way to draw attention to the strength of his hand. His penis, on the other hand, is actually "quite small" (my prof's words) and much smaller than it should be. The theory behind that was that it was deliberately made smaller because David's junk is at eye level when you are standing directly in front of the statute (I think the statute is about 17 feet tall?)? Anyway, always makes me laugh whenever I think of that statute -- if you look at it closely, it really IS quite small! ;-)

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@Sherri -- if you have never seen an intact penis, how do you know whether it would or would not be a turn on or a turn off? Makes no sense. Do you know you can't tell the difference between an uncirc'd and circ'd penis when the man has an erection? The David is Michelangelo's nude statute of David from the David and Goliath fame. He is uncircumcised, as are almost all historical nudes.

Krista - posted on 12/18/2010

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Yeah, David is definitely the epitome of male beauty.



And it's true -- when an uncut penis is happy to see you, you really can't see much difference between a cut one and an uncut one. And if the penis isn't happy to see you, then who cares what it looks like, 'cause it's not doing you any good at that point in time anyway! LOL!



As well, like the others said, the key is to wash your junk. I've heard tales from my girlfriends of some men whose genitals smelled like Stilton cheese, because they just didn't bathe regularly, and these guys were circumcised, evidently.



I'm sure guys would also want we women to wash our genitals, with all our folds, nooks and crannies. Note, however, that none of them are saying that we should remove our labia so that it's "cleaner."



Basically, trim your jungle pubes, give your junk a good wash, and it won't matter if you're circ'd or not -- everything will smell just fine.

Johnny - posted on 12/17/2010

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That saddens me Sherri. Are you sure you don't have something to share with us? ;-)

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