HOA wants to ban kids from playing outside

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http://www.clickorlando.com/family/27381...

I come from the country and I now live in the suburbs. I gotta say, I hate my HOA. They annoy me, but this one is definitely extreme. I don't think that very young children should play outside alone, but to ban all children is ridiculous. We already have issues in America with childhood obesity and now this community's HOA wants to ban the kids that actually want to go outside form doing so. Thoughts?

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K. - posted on 04/19/2011

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God forbid one of these kids get hit by a car. Then the parents will be suing the HOA for allowing their kids to play in the parking lot, for not posting signs that say that they shouldn't. I don't see a problem with what they're doing. And God forbid these parents these days actually get off their lazy asses and take their kids to the park.

Mary Renee - posted on 04/18/2011

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Booo, I would totally TP the HOA president's house. And then after they cleaned it up, would egg their house.



I'm sorry people, but don't you remember Whitney telling us that children are our future? Get over yourself and be more attentive to children playing when you drive around your neighborhood. My childhood was filled with riding my bike around (and LEARNING how to ride a bike in a parking lot... where ELSE would you learn?) and roller skating on side walks and having the freedom to walk two blocks to the playground (unsupervised) with my cousins. That was the best part of being a kid.



I agree, this should be illegal. It's discrimination against children.



If it's illegal for children to play outside then it should also be illegal for adults to smoke cigarettes or loiter on "common" areas as well. This is just so ridiculous, it's like "Everybody, walk out of one box (car) and go STRAIGHT to your other box (home)... Do NOT stop to smell the flowers along the way. Do not pause to appreciate a bird or make a snow angel in the winter. Just keep walking! Public spaces were NOT made for the public." So stupid. Why they're at it, why don't they set up a telescreen so big brother HOA can watch and make sure they aren't "playing" or "keeping diaries" for that matter!

Mary Renee - posted on 04/20/2011

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I totally agree, Sherri. I didn't have a car till recently. Swear to god, a huge portion of the world has no idea how much planning goes in to a grocery trip, or a park trip, or ANY trip if you don't have a vehicle and you have children that need to eat on a regular schedule (thank god for public transportation and city buses though, I don't know how I would have survived in the more rural areas that don't have those!)

I definitely would never call a parent lazy because they don't load all their kids up into a car (which can take 15 minutes in and of itself) to drive 15 minutes away just so they can get some fresh air since we should all as human beings have the option of enjoying the fresh air right outside our homes!

Let's calculate it. Say you get home from work at 5:30 (which is generous, assuming this parent has virtually no commute or traffic). Maybe you have to pick up kids from day care or dance class. Add another 20 minutes (assuming there's no traffic). Already it's 5:50. Maybe they drop off their backpacks at home, change out of their uniforms (or you change out of your work clothes) and then get back in the car. It's already 6:10 by this point. Drive another 15 minutes to the park. Now it's 6:25.

Let them play for an hour and it's going to be 7:40 before you get home, and 8:00pm before you get them dinner! God forbid they need a bath after playing.

When you think about it this way, YES, it is totally ridiculous to force people to DRIVE 15 minutes away from their homes to let their children run around outside when they should be allowed to enjoy the out doors right outside their front door.

That said I am very lucky to live in Hawaii. We get to go play outdoors every day. Beaches are considered public property and it is against the law for anyone to forbid your access to the beach (meaning even rich folk with beach front property still have to allow anyone to the beach in front of their home) And there are playgrounds everywhere. Score.

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Exactly, Johnny. They're not just banning kids from their parking lots. They want to ban kids from ALL common areas.

Johnny - posted on 04/20/2011

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I believe that this is NOT about playing in a parking lot. It's about playing in common areas, which may be grass yards, etc.

It really saddens me that there are even parents out there that have forgotten that children should just be free to run around outside. It is ridiculous that people are even concerned or making up rules to stop one of the most natural things in the world. Young creatures at play. Threads like this make me wonder if we are all going mad!

K. - posted on 04/20/2011

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Exactly Sherri. People need to come up with better and safer alternatives. Alternatives to playing in a parking lot maybe? Let's have the parents of these children start with that one.

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What I meant by that was as long as YOU are happy with YOUR situation then really it has nothing to do with me because it isn't MY situation with MY children! You have misinterpretted my comment!

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Sherri my issue was you said there were NO parks where you live when evidently with a little bit of effort and a 15 minute drive there are parks. car parks are not an appropriate place for kids to play but as long as your happy it's your kids not mine!



Mary I actually agree that it should be illegal for people to smoke on public grounds - why should those who choose not to smoke have to put up with that!

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I can't believe there is nowhere other than a car park for your kids to play Sherri, everywhere has some sort of public land that can be used for leisure: parks, forests, beaches, nature reserves etc.

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Sounds like a plan to me Sara, keep the kids off the parking lots by providing them somewhere else to play. I know they aren't a babysitter but I should imagine as they are trying to ban the children they have received complaints from some of the home owners about them playing in unsuitable areas - I know there are people who would be that spiteful, so instead of speaking with the children's parents they would just put an official complaint in.

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The HOA is not a babysitter. They're not responsible for where kids play. There job is to make sure you keep the grass cut, put your trash can away after pick-up and pay them way too much money to plant a few flowers. I agree that parking lots are not safe places for kids to play. If the HOA wants to ban kids from the parking area maybe they should put in a jungle gym/park area where kids can play.

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Sarah I don't have a large house by any means and although we did buy with the thought that we could live here longterm we also bought with the thinking that we would upgrade in a few years time, then the market dropped and we got pregnant and decided I would become a SAHM so there is no chance we can move for a good few years now, although I would LOVE to move to a larger home especially with another on the way. I would guess it is geographical because even the 1 bed homes here have enough space for children to be able to play in the gardens, even apartment blocks have a communal garden area where kids can play - but I do live in the suburbs, so I get the best of both worlds (country and city). That is a good point IF the property owners buy a parking space with their property their children should be able to play within that parking space although I still don't like children playing in a parking lot.

Sara I'm sure they didn't but they also should have considered that a car park is not a place for children to play in, it isn't safe. The HOA has a responsibilty, and when one of these children gets injured they will get the blame for allowing them to be playing - it never seems to be the parents fault when a child is playing in a dangerous place and gets hurt.

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"I realise that people may have purchased their homes before having kids - we purchased our home before having children, BUT we made sure our house would be suitable for us to live in longterm, if the market changed (as it has) or our situation changed, so we made sure we had enough bedrooms and enough outside space for our future children. Maybe my hubby and I are odd in that we considered the longterm aspects of what could happen before buying our home."

I'm sure these people didn't anticipate the HOA trying to prevent their children from going outside.

Sarah - posted on 04/11/2011

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Toni you and your husband are very fortunate to have not only the forethought, but the bankrolll to be able to buy a large home with adequate child-friendly spaces. Consider yourself very lucky! :) My husband and I bought our home knowing it was a starter home and with every intention of buying a larger one in the future. However, the complications of my pregnancy and our daughter's health (from being a preemie) left us little choice but for me to quit working and to downsize our bills as much as possible. Although I know in a few more years we will be able to move, right now we're in a tight spot with one toddler, another on the way and 2 adults in our 2bd/1ba "starter" home.
Additionally, it must be a geographical thing b/c it is very commonplace for children to place in the street here and we live in a rather nice neighborhood. Perhaps it is b/c this neighborhood is designed to be child-friendly and primarily couples w children live here. Also, it is very hilly here and the few flat streets we have are absolutely littered with kids on bikes. I like it this way. I hope when we move we get a similar neighborhood with a bigger home!
It has always been my experience that HOA's are obnoxious and interfereing. But to be honest, I am one of those people who does not like to told what to do, much less on property I own.
I wonder if the people who live in the townhome buy a designated parking spot when they purchase the house. If so, then there kids Should be allowed to play in their spot, no?

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I realise that people may have purchased their homes before having kids - we purchased our home before having children, BUT we made sure our house would be suitable for us to live in longterm, if the market changed (as it has) or our situation changed, so we made sure we had enough bedrooms and enough outside space for our future children. Maybe my hubby and I are odd in that we considered the longterm aspects of what could happen before buying our home.

I still question why anyone would want their children playing in a parking lot, a place designed for cars we all know that although people shouldn't speed in parking lots, many do - I wouldn't want my child getting hit and killed because I let them play a parking lot! I mean would you allow your child to play in the road? I also would not be happy lettingmy children play in the street - generally only the scummier families allow their kids to play in the street where I live - the nice families children play in gardens or local parks (I realise that because that is how it is where I live it won't be the same for everyone else though - I'm not saying that if you let your kids play in the street you are scummy). I still cannot see why this new rule is wrong - maybe they should specify children should not play in the parking lots but are OK to play on the grass areas, I see no reason the children shouldn't be able to play on the grass next to their or their friends homes.

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Grassy space would still be public space so it wouldn't be allowed. Like Sarah said, these people lived there before this rule was proposed and since the housing market is down people can't exactly just pick up and move.

Sarah - posted on 04/10/2011

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Townhomes in Florida consist of nothing more than a parking lot and maybe a little grassy area on each end of the building. I think it's ridiculous to restrict children from the parking lot, afterall, people should be parking there, not speeding. I grew up in a neighborhood but we certainly rode our bikes on the street and sidewalks.
I'm certain every parent would prefer a yard/garden for their child if the could afford it, but what about those people who bought their homes before they had kids and now are stuck? (Not a lot of houses selling these days.) Personally, we have a very, very small yard and I wish we could sell but we can't. Poor LO has to play on our (thankfully large) porch. And when she gets bigger, if we're still here she will bea ble to go out into the neighborhood unsupervised since our neighbors are child friendly!

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They could play on the grass around their homes. A parking lot is not an acceptable place for children to play and so I still agree with the ban. If it is that much of a problem the parents could find a place with more space to live.

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From the article:

"The revamped rules and regulations are being considered by the HOA at the Persimmon Place subdivision on North Ridgewood Avenue in Edgewater. The neighborhood consists of 48 townhomes surrounded by a parking lot and little room for children to play."



So there aren't many private areas for the kids to play in. It doesn't even look like these townhomes have driveways (from the picture). They have parking lots. So there pretty much telling kids to not go outside their own homes.

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My last apartment had the same ban. Children couldn't play in the parking area. Bikes were especially not allowed (two children in a 3 month period got hit by cars). However there was also a park literally next to the apartment. When it comes to safety I don't see a problem with it. Take your kid to a park to play, or have them play in your private area.

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Am I misunderstanding what the are saying? I understood it to mean that the children can't play in common areas NOT that they can't play outside, they can still play outside in their garden or driveway, can they not?

Lacye - posted on 04/07/2011

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I saw this in DM and I'm going to say the same thing I said there:

Let the damn kids be fucking kids! It's absolutely ridiculous that these people want to force those kids to stay inside because they want to be a bunch of fucking grouches!

Heather - posted on 04/07/2011

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I don't think that they should have the right to do this. It really should be up to the parents.

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There are kids in our neighborhood that ride bikes or walk to friends. As long as they're older then I don't see an issue with them being outside alone.

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I actually don't see the problem with this, they only want to restrict the children on common property such as car parks where the children potentially could get hurt, they aren't saying children can't play on their parents property or on their friends property. My children will NOT be playing in the street, that is why I chose a house with an adequate garden for them to play in, I don't see any need for children to play in the street.

Brie - posted on 04/06/2011

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Well apparently someones mommy didn't love them enough when they were little lol!! WTF?? Doesn't that fall under some sort of stereotyping or something that isn't legal??? I agree parents should watch their children but not allowing them to play outside...??? That is a load of crap!!! How can they even compare a place of residence to walmart or kmart or whatever... big huge difference there!!

Ashley - posted on 04/06/2011

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Retarded i think kids need to be supervised, but not allowed to play outside seriously.

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