Not your mothers girl scouts...

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Warning: explicit content!

I never imagined the day would come when I would have to issue a content alert when talking about Girl Scout literature, but sadly that day has arrived.

The Girl Scouts celebrate their 98th anniversary today (March 12), having been founded by Juliette Low, the former fiancee of Sir Robert Baden Powell, the founder of the Boy Scouts in 1912.

Here is the longstanding Girl Scout oath: "On my honor, I will try: to do my duty to God and my country, to help other people at all times, to obey the Girl Scout laws."

Well, the new and improved World Association of Girl Scouts and Girl Guides hosted a panel at the UN this week. The first thing organizers did was kick all the adults out of the room so that Planned Parenthood could distribute - to adolescent girls, mind you - a brochure entitled, "Healthy, Happy and Hot."

The brochure includes graphic and explicit sexual details, and promotes every kind of casual sex. Here's a charming excerpt:

"Sex can feel great and can be really fun! Many people think sex is just about vaginal or anal intercourse… But, there are lots of different ways to have sex and lots of different types of sex. Sex can include kissing, touching, licking, tickling, sucking, and cuddling. Some people like to have
aggressive sex, while others like to have soft and slow sex with their partners. There is no right or wrong way to have sex. Just have fun, explore
and be yourself!"

In case that wasn't enough information for these impressionable young girls, the brochure leaves little to the imagination:

“Improve your sex life by getting to know your own body. Play with yourself! Masturbation is a great way to find out more about your body and what you find sexually stimulating. Mix things up by using different kinds of touch from very soft to hard. Talk about or act out your fantasies. Talk dirty to them.”

The pamphlet even includes a helpful section on how to prepare for sex when you know you're planning to get drunk first.

Where all this fits with the "doing my duty to God" and "help(ing) other people at all times" was apparently never explained.

The Girl Scouts, in other words, seem determined to aid and abet the girls in their charge to find as many ways as humanly possible to violate the organization's time-honored oath.

In response to the disastrous moral drift of the Girl Scouts, Patty Garibay, a former Girl Scout leader, founded American Heritage Girls in 1995. Their oath? "I promise to love God, Cherish my family, Honor my country, and Serve in my community."

What sets them apart from the Girl Scouts is that when American Heritage Girls take the oath, they actually mean it. And the adults in their world are committed to help them live up to it.

So this was sent to me as a link in an email. Is anyone familiar with this site?

Would you be ok with your daughter recieving a pamphlet as outlined in this article?


Minna - posted on 03/17/2010




#1 - As long as there was parental consent (which I saw no mention of) I don't see a problem with this pamphlet. You used the word adolescent which implies teenager and (news flash) teenagers have sex and get pregnant (or worse). You women (impressionable, you call them) need to know facts and sort them from fiction as soon as ethically possible. Teenagers are insecure, young girls among them are impressionable and can be coerced to doing things they don't want to do just to be liked or feel appreciated. Giving this information to a twenty year old is absolutely ridiculous. I hope that was an exaggeration. Now don't get me wrong: I think this is the parents' responsibility to inform and build confidence of their youth regarding safe sex, but the problem is that many parents will not do this and it MUST be done so if a parent signs off on something saying its okay for schools or other communities to take this responsibility from them then they get what they signed up for - if this was done without consent than that is another issue entirely.

#2 - It's not your mother's Girl Scouts because it's not your mothers day and age. Children are exposed to sexual content a lot sooner than they were decades ago. Blame whatever you want, but this is a fact. Your mother probably didn't have AIDs either unless she was frequenting gay sex clubs or a heroine addict. There's a multitude of important reasons why children on the cusp of adulthood (and whether you like it or not sexually active) need as much information as possible to make smart decisions. Pre-teens may have gone along with life taking your words as an act of God, listening obediently and following all your directions with blind faith but teenagers make their own decisions. They question authority. They test limits. Therefore we can not rely on "Don't do this." or "Practice safe sex." They need the information to make educated decisions for themselves and sadly many of them will still make poor decisions, but that's about the best we can do for them. I'm generalizing, of course, but we need to generalize in order to help the people who need help since we can't single them out. Maybe your children will be good little virgins until their 20 something but unfortunately they are the minority.

#3 - As touched on by others, these "excerpts" are lacking in content. I'm 99% sure that Planet Parenthood didn't make pamphlets advocating casual sex. Sex is fun and enjoyable and nothing to be scared of! We all know that! However as teenagers it was a hell of a lot more mysterious. I'm sure there's about 5 paragraphs before and after these excerpt detailing the risks and dangers and warnings.

#4 - You don't control your kids. Sorry. You may be able to control children, but not teenagers. I mean fully control them. My parents have no clue when I first had sex and most of my friends were the same way - having sex years before parents even had a notion it was going on. I wish there were enough GOOD parents in the world that things like AIDs and teen pregnancy were a thing of the past, but sadly ignorance and complacency is perpetuating these things so at least there are some organizations out there trying to do good in the world - whether you all want the word "sucking" in the pamphlets or not.

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Oh hell no!! These are children here. If that is the kind of things that are being taught you can bet your life that my girls will never be Girl Scouts. My children will be well informed about sex and how to protect themselves if they chose to have sex, but they will also be taught that abstinence is the best choice outside of marriage. I was raised w/ (and fully agreed w/) those beliefs and it would have served me well to stick w/ them... which I ALMOST did.

April - posted on 03/17/2010




i would not be okay with this. if my children are going to learn about sex, i want to be the one to explain it to them. i want to be able to choose the words, what to say and what to leave out.

if these girls in the post are already teenagers, chances are they already know most of all this stuff. however, it doesn't seem innocent to almost seems like a "how to" guide instead of a helpful pamphlet.

Rosie - posted on 03/17/2010




nope no way in hell!! i'm all for making condoms available, and teaching kids about not only abstinence, but protection at the same time, but giving them a pamphlet that basically gives them an outline on how to have sex goes waaaaay overboard.

i completely understand that kids are going to have sex and i have no control over that, i did it, i know that my kids will most likely do it. however, that pamphlet is not how i want to teach my children about sex. when i give them the talk, i'm not going to be describing licking, and sucking, and whether i like it slow or rough, it will be describing the emotional aspect as well as protecting themselves from pregnancy or an std. i would be fucking livid if that were my child!!


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April - posted on 03/18/2010




whether you have HIV or not, i don't think children should be having sex at 14. (apparently this pamphlet was intended for those with HIV "afraid to have sex"?)

Mary - posted on 03/18/2010




Okay, I just have to throw this in here....

I clicked on the link, realized that it was from some Christian-based, conservative site, and immediately stopped reading. It's not that I am opposed to that's just that I realized that this was not am impartial reporting of a common practice by the GSA, but rather a heavily slanted and biased OPINION with a lot of things taken out of context.

Last I knew from my friends with kids in scouts, they were working on merit badges, learning how to make s'mores, sit-upons, and visiting the elderly in nursing homes. I am sure that someone could find an example of one or two isolated troops where they may be discussing sex, contraception, HIV, and homosexuality in an open, enlightened manner that the more right-winged conservatives would find morally objectionable, but I highly doubt that this is what is being discussed at Brownie meetings across the country. I'm thinking it would have been big, breaking news nationwide, and discussed ad nauseum on the Today show if this was actually the case.

Minna - posted on 03/18/2010




I don't see any outline on how to have sex. Here's another excerpt from the same pamphlet. I'll show you how quoting things can work both ways.

"This is a guide for: young people who are living with HIV or who have a partner who is living with HIV, young people who have recently been diagnosed with HIV as well as those have been living with HIV for a while or since birth, young people living with HIV who are married, in a relationship with one or more partners, as well as those who are single, dating or just want to have sex, young people living with HIV who are just starting to think about dating as sex as well as those who have more experiences, all young people living with HIV (men, women, transgender people and those who are figuring out their gender identity), young people living with HIV who are interested in dating and having sex with people..."

Unless your daughters have HIV, this guide is not for them. Problem solved.

Also, just a note: The pamphlet is 20 pages long and only 1 of the 20 pages (the one where the other excerpts came from) doesn't have the acronym "HIV" on it. It's a guide to encourage and empower people who are afraid of sex because they have HIV or have a partner with HIV. It's pretty well done in my opinion. Maybe not the casual reading material for a 14 year old girl (unless she or her partner has HIV), though.

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Gillian i wasnt judging you at all i did however use a statement that you said that most mothers feel when talking to their daughters about sex as an example... my mother is a prude and hardly talked about things with me its neither bad nor good just a lifestyle... and im glad you feel comfortable with talking to your daughter as you do but MOST and i do mean MOST mothers dont and thats why they prob. handed out this stuff...and i think it should be handed out to girls in younger of ages than most bc thats the world now by the time 3rd grade rolls around they start to ask questions that are in depth and hearing stories from friends and older long as the parent agrees....

Belinda - posted on 03/17/2010




Where can I get the pamphlet?'ll save my hubs some money on porn for the boat. Good grief....I think I'd be irritated about the situation, not so much the pamphlet itself. Maybe...I'd have to ACTUALLY SEE said pamphlet. Whew.....

Krista - posted on 03/17/2010




Seeing as the only "sources" for this brochure are a small handful of right-wing or Christian blogs and niche newspapers, in the words of my nanny, "I'll believes it when I sees it."

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I think they can figure all that stuff out without a pamphlet.

And yes, I would be furious if my daughter came home with that. It's MY job as a parent to discern when she is ready to learn that information.

Carolee - posted on 03/17/2010




If somebody gave my child (boy or girl) that info without my consent, I'd be PISSED. I am by NO means a "prude", but I want to know what info my kids are getting and when they are getting it. Yes, I will tell my children almost exactly what was in that pamphlet, but it would be MY choice to do so.

Ashley - posted on 03/17/2010




Wow...I wonder if the parents were given a heads-up? I learned about this stuff when I was fourteen, as part of ninth-grade sex-ed.
I am curious how old these girls were? Because if I saw this when I was ten or something, I'd be confused since in my fifth-grade sex-ed it was mostly periods for girls and wet dreams for boys...pretty much puberty stuff.

Lady - posted on 03/17/2010




Amber you don't know me so please don't think you can judge me on one sentance in one post. Most people on here have heard the story of my 11 year old asking me about blow jobs and I have freely talked to my 9 year old about masturbation - sex is not an embarassing subject in my house - it was the inapropriate situation of the delivery of the material that made me blush.
Have your opinion by all means and feel free to share but just don't be so quick to judge.

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I was a girl scout when growing up as well as becoming a director while pregnant with my first child...we did have the sex talk but i dont think it was this in depth or maybe it was i hardly could remember... depending on the age I agree with this... girls do need to know bc most parents like gillian make sex seem embarassing (even made me blush) the more educated you are the more likely you are to make a better decision.. it also informs about all different aspects so girls dont feel weird if they like something different than other girls... but i do agree that the parents shouldve agreeed to have this handed to their daughters (parental consent) but most mothers are prudes and dont talk about it... and lets face it in this day and age most children do not wait so why not let them know and not be scared and afraid of it...

Lady - posted on 03/17/2010




Holy Crap absolutley unbelievable - NO I would not want any daughter of mine to be given this information until she was about twenty - it's like something out of Cosmo and made me blush a little when I read it and I'm no prude. The thought of handing it around a group full of girls is shocking - were the parents asked if this was alright before it was done, because I can't see many agreeing if they were to know.

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