The "Heartbeat Bill"

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Ok, ok..I know I'm opening a can of worms here, but I found this really shocking. I never thought I would see anything like this. This is in my home state of Ohio. A lawmaker is trying to ban abortions after the heartbeat is detected. The heartbeat can be detected as early as 18 days after conception. I don't know a lot of the details like if there are exceptions for life-threatening situations. Thoughts?



http://tinyurl.com/46rmwnm



(link is edited so hopefully it works-Thanks Alison!)







*runs for cover* :)

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Candi - posted on 02/10/2011

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Does anyone know the cost of an abortion? They can't be cheap and no insurance covers it. If people are willing to fork over that kind of $$ they must have a good reason for wanting it done. I can only imagine how painful it must be.

Amber - posted on 02/10/2011

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I don't think that I could ever have an abortion. But I don't think that it is anybody's right to tell others what they can and cannot do with their bodies.
Only they know if they can handle the physical, emotional, and financial responsibility of a pregnancy, let alone a child.

As many ladies have already said, making abortion illegal will not stop it. The only thing that it will do is make it dangerous.
Didn't our government learn anything from prohibition?!?

If you look at China's one-child policy you will see what happens when the government controls a person's reproductive life. Many women have dangerous births with no medical assistance so that the government doesn't find out about the child. And if the child is not the sex they want (a girl) then poof! It no longer exists.
People will go to drastic measures when the government oversteps its boundaries.

No matter how abortion is viewed on a personal level, it will never stop. The only humane thing to do is provide a safe, clean environment and offer education to try to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

April - posted on 02/10/2011

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It's sad when people decide to choose abortion because they feel they "need" to or that they don't have any choice but the reality is that if abortion wasn't easily available to people, woman take drastic measures. How many times have i seen on the news here about someone finding a fetus in a shoebox? a FETUS. Or one in a flower pot, in front of the church or i can't even count the amount of times they find babies in a dumpster. Then you can't help but think to yourself, how can anyone be so cruel? Then you look at the bigger picture and realize it's because they didn't have an option, whatever their reason was for wanting to terminate their pregnancy is no body else's business but theirs. No matter what you do, no matter the reason, people will still do this if it's not readily available, now you ask yourself, which is more cruel? Going to the doctor to have a safe abortion or letting the baby live long enough that it ends up in a dumpster/shoebox? It's disgusting but that's the world we live in, and i still can't believe that the main reason why abortion is illegal here is because this is a catholic country. Not even religion can stop it. It's just sad.

Candi - posted on 02/10/2011

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Dodn't get me wrong, I would never abort if my baby had some handicap, but if he was brain dead or so brain damaged, he would die at birth, it may be easier to abort the pregnancy. Like I said, rape is a case where abortion should be a real choice.

Lacye - posted on 02/10/2011

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I don't believe people should have abortions but let's face the truth, if it wasn't legal then women would go out and have it done anyways and put themselves in danger. I may not like the idea of terminating a life (which in my opinion is what it is) but I have to be realistic here. Abortions will be around as long as people are out there having sex with each other.

Jackie - posted on 02/10/2011

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christina... i know that one bc method is not foolproof which is why if a woman does not want to get preggo she should use two methods at least. If a woman doesnt use at least two methods then she knows the risk so her getting preggo is not an accident as she chose the level of protection during sex. The planning of conception may not be there but knowingly gambling with preggo stats is no accident. If a woman doesnt want to bother with protection then I dont think she will bother taking care of the baby and then I encourage females to abort.



It is her choice either way, I just think abortions shouldnt come with this stigma of murder because a woman not being healthy durinig preggo is worse IMO.

Minnie - posted on 02/10/2011

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Is there a particular gestational age in which the fetus does become self-aware?

LaCi - posted on 02/10/2011

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It's not cruel. If it doesn't have higher level brain activity it's not a being. Sure it's human. It has human DNA. It's not coherent, it hasn't been coherent, it has no knowledge that it exists. If it ceases to exist it knows no difference.

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MY opinion abortion is murder. I would never do it no matter what my situation nor if the baby would be born with down syndrome or anything else etc. And if I didn't want the baby I wouldnt be getting an abortion,if it was rape etc(as horrible as it is) I would be giving the baby up to a family who would love the child no matter what. You shouldn't punish the child because of the "situation" YOU were in. That's not very fair to the child and to say the child isnt considered a human being until its outside of the womb is cruel.



God made life and every human baby is perfect in his eyes.



It's none of my business what another woman does to her body but it is definetly not for me. A child is a gift and a precious gift at that.



I knew someone who has gotten abortions before and she now can't have kids. Her and her hubby have tried for 5 years to get pregnant and nothing has helped.



I could never become selfish and have a abortion. Of course no one is selfless in this world anymore and they usually think of themselves. Think of the baby.



I'm not going to be sorry if my opinion offended you because thats my opinion. And I don't care if anyone else agrees with me,because this is once again my opinion on the matter.



Have a nice day ladies! :)

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"Personally, I am not for abortion, but I am against making it illegal. Anyone who would take the time to actually study the impact that illegalizing abortion has on society would understand why I feel that way. It is just not good for society as a whole."

I agree with that Alison which is why I'm very conflicted about this. Candi, I think 18 days is the earliest they believe a heartbeat can be detected. They were talking about seeing it via an ultrasound. It takes longer to be able to hear it.

I really think more things need to be in place before they try to pass anything like this. Adoption is so hard to do even though there are so many families that want to adopt so badly. The process is long and expensive. They need to fix that first. The sad fact is some babies are not wanted. I fear that passing this bill will result in babies ending up in dumpsters.

Candi - posted on 02/10/2011

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When I was pregnant, I was told you had to be 10 weeks along before a heartbeat could be detected. Now I know technology is changing everyday, so maybe they have new toys and gadgets. I am pro-choice. If the mother or baby have a disease, she should have the right to make the choice, if she got pregnant without meaning to and is already in poverty with her family she should have a choice, or if a woman is raped. I know 2 women who had children due to rape. Neither could afford an abortion and luckily both of those babies are now adults and productive members of society. I think if a woman is raped, the baby should be aborted free of charge (if the woman chooses abortion). I don't agree with people laying down for every man that smiles at them, then getting pregnant only to kill it in a few weeks. Maybe if they had a baby or 2, they'd be forced to slow down a little. I odn't know, thats just my opinion.

Jaime - posted on 02/10/2011

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I know that there is always going to be two sides to this very controversial debate, but I can't help but wonder why one side considers the overall impact, while the other merely considers that a life is a life and that's that?



When a pregnancy is planned, parents typically consider the impact it will have to their current financial/relationship status. When a pregnancy is not planned, there is a lot more at stake as far as the impact that potential birth will have on the economy...not just the parents' financial status or otherwise. I get that unprotected sex is what ultimately results in a number of unwanted pregnancies. And that is precisely why I support a woman's right to seek an abortion. People do stupid shit...but that is NO reason to bring a child into the world. Adoption is an option...but is it really? How many kids in NA alone are still waiting in foster care limbo for a permanent home? With the influx of foreign adoptions, it's not likely that our kids are getting out of foster care any quicker than they are being brought into the world by an unprepared mother. There are so many more factors to consider besides "every living being has the right to life". It's just NOT that simple. And passing a bill like the 'heartbeat bill' isn't going to remedy the situation either. It's just going to increase the number of back-alley abortions. Education is a place to start, but unless the curriculum is on board with teaching the FULL scope of sexual education, there's not much hope for kids actually learning and understanding all the risks of unprotected sex. Even still, unwanted pregnancies will happen. Nobody's perfect...but that's not a reason to bring a child into the world as if to say 'suck it up and deal with your mistakes'.

Alison - posted on 02/10/2011

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Sarah, your link isn't working for me. I found another article, same subject: http://tinyurl.com/5shjapx

Personally, I am not for abortion, but I am against making it illegal. Anyone who would take the time to actually study the impact that illegalizing abortion has on society would understand why I feel that way. It is just not good for society as a whole.

I once heard a speaker who was an abortion survivor. Her mother attempted to abort, but the baby came out alive. She (the daughter) is now an avid pro-lifer.

You've got to keep all of the scenarios in mind. Not all aborters are teenagers who forgot to bring a condom. Some of them are mothers who already have their hands full, families who don't have the means to feed and clothe the children they already have. The reality is, that these families will not give up their child for adoption. They will tough it out and the consequences are not always what you would hope. There are mothers who are addicted to drugs and alcohol and still will not have the strength to put their child up for adoption.

So, I am tired of debates on abortion that discuss ideals rather than facts. And, of course, I am not for the heartbeat bill.

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I'm actually pro-life, but would like to know more details about this bill and I can't find any yet. I don't think abortion is black and white. I know we did a system of where you fall on abortion a while back and I definitely don't agree with it, but I can't say what I would do if my baby was going to be born with a horrid, painful disease and his/her life would be very short. I was also more shocked because I never thought I would see something like this. I don't know if it would pass or not so I guess we'll see.

Christina - posted on 02/10/2011

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Jackie, slightly off topic, but you CAN get pregnant accidently. BC is not foolproof. I would know. I got pregnant on every type of BC I've been on. Then I got a tubal ligation and got pregnant 3yrs after my tubes were tied. So yeah, you CAN get pregnant accidentally.

Jackie - posted on 02/10/2011

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I think the whole abortion debate is stupid, women are always saying "my body, my right... blah, blah, blah" and I think more women should get abortions than have children that they take such half arse care of. I dont care if the baby is full term... if the mother isnt going to give that baby the care it deserves then just abort/kill/murder (how ever you want to phrase it).

Personally I think no woman should say she "accidentally" got pregnant because in this day and age, everyone should know how a baby is made so the question is "do you want it?" and "are you going to live a healthy lifestyle while preggo?" and if either of those answers is "no" then just kill it. Too many women argue about the right of their body than the right of the child they give life to... Just because it is your right to give birth then it should also be that child's right that the birth mother live a healthy lifestyle. I have heard/seen too many mothers say "I didnt choose to get preggo" right in front of their kids and I always want to know... why didnt she have an abortion?

The murder argument is a moot point if the baby is going to be born with health problems, die young, or be abused because of a lousy mother.

April - posted on 02/10/2011

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ATM i am living in a country where abortion is illegal, and to be honest it makes me sad to see the lengths some women go to get rid of their unwanted pregnancy's. They use pills that they obtain illegally, they find doctors who will perform this highly illegal surgery and pay a fortune and if all else fails they try to get themselves into accidents hoping to induce a miscarriage. Many women die here due to that and no matter what anyone thinks, making abortion illegal will just result in underground surgeries and people will die from that. I honestly think that if it's your body, it's your choice and NOBODY has the right to take that away from you.

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I don't feel that choosing one life over another is my call to make..... Which is a moot point since I'm done w/ ever being pregnant.

I already KNOW I have an unpopular opinion, but no amount of debate at any angle will ever make me think that abortion is ever an acceptable choice.

And no, I won't force a child on someone that doesn't want one. I didn't get them pregnant...... Plus, I've already mentioned I don't vote, so I'm not taking anyone's 'rights' away.

Ashley - posted on 02/09/2011

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I agree with Kate once you have one child things change the child you already have takes priority for most and as much as i dont agree with abortions being used for birth control i simply refuse to think it is anyones job to make decisions for my body. There are always reasons for people to decide to have abortions you may not agree but why would you force a child on someone who dosent want one there are enough storys of abuse. Its not so black and white.

Kate CP - posted on 02/09/2011

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So...you'd leave your existing children motherless for a fetus?

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I don't need to read it to say.... awesome! At least it's a start. And yes, I'm very well aware of just how unpopular that opinion is on the board. You all know (well, if you've seen me post much) that I don't vote, so won't ever vote against abortion. But you all also know that if I DID vote, I would vote to make it illegal.

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My thought is, what is the difference? Before or after you are still killing your child.

I don't care if it is a life threatening situation. I've been in that situation. I told them NO. I ended up loosing the child anyway and was heart broken. Yes I could have died if he had survived, but I will not take a life to save my own skin. The next baby will not be that baby no matter what. There is no replacement.

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